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Greg Smith
Rookie
Canada
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 Posted - 11/05/2007 : 15:50:03
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I'm just curious, who does everybody think is the most overrated player of all time?
Alexander Daigle is my pick.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games.
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Guest2140
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 16:11:36
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| Iginla, hands down. |
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
330 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 16:13:21
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Originally posted by Guest2140
Iginla, hands down.
Are you serious??
Iginla is not even talked about too often, and is an awesome all around player and a great leader |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 16:35:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg Smith
I'm just curious, who does everybody think is the most overrated player of all time?
Alexander Daigle is my pick.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games.
Going by your answer I'm not sure what your question is.
Do you mean who was most hyped before entering the NHL and then was essentially a bust?
Or do you mean who is generally held in higher regard than they should be?
Daigle is definitely up there for not meeting expectations. The hype around him before the NHL was much like the hype around Crosby.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
816 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 16:40:51
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This may not be a popular opinion, but having been a local throughout the 80's, I always thought that Grant Fuhr in Edmonton was not quite the all-star that a lot of people figured he was. Maybe not the MOST overrated, but he certainly springs to mind.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 19:10:34
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Gonchar... ...just kidding. No I'm not.
But seriously, Daigle was overrated as a junior coming into the NHL. The kid couldn't handle it. He's not the first. Doug Wickenheiser (God rest his soul), Greg Joly, and Brian Lawton spring to mind.
If you're talking guys who have played substantial amounts, I'm going with Sergei Fedorov. A few great seasons and a bunch of lazy ones, but people still think he's HHOF material. He's had only TWO 100+ point seasons, and only five 80+ point ones. And he played during the high scoring era of the early 90's. He's been good, but far from great, or a Hall of Famer. |
Edited by - fly4apuckguy on 11/14/2007 19:57:42 |
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Guest6662
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 21:21:26
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 22:01:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest6662
nikolie zherdev
That was almost too easy. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 02:17:04
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Daigle definatly failed to live up to expectations but I don't know if he was ever over rated. I think he falls under the term bust more then anything. As far as over rated goes....
Current
McCabe and Souray are both extremly over rated, well unless you like defence who turn the puck over alot. A post about Naslund making the HHOF just reminded me of him. I'm now adding Naslund to the over rated list.
Past
Tretiak and Paul Henderson.
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Cdallas2
Top Prospect
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 08:07:13
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 09:19:13
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I think Daigle is one for sure and I would also put Pat Falloon in the list. Another player coming into this draft year as "the next one" that turned out to be nothing.
See my comments on Fedorov in the Fedorov HHOF thread.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
Edited by - Beans15 on 11/06/2007 09:21:10 |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:22:04
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| Daigle is a bad bust, Doug Wickenheiser had some injury problems. But the most over rated player in the NHL is Martin St.Louis. If he wasn't playing with Lecavalier he would be nothing. |
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Greg Smith
Rookie
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:23:13
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quote:
Originally posted by PainTrain
Daigle is a bad bust, Doug Wickenheiser had some injury problems. But the most over rated player in the NHL is Martin St.Louis. If he wasn't playing with Lecavalier he would be nothing.
I agree, but if Lecavelier wasn't playing with him it would be almost the same thing.
After playing in the NHL, it's hard to watch hockey games. |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:28:37
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Currently I think Lecavalier is fairly overrated.
Last year was his first outstanding year. He's been in the league for 8 years now and been average for the majority of them.
Yet there are people who think he's the best player in the league.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:33:41
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
Currently I think Lecavalier is fairly overrated.
Last year was his first outstanding year. He's been in the league for 8 years now and been average for the majority of them.
Yet there are people who think he's the best player in the league.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
I think Lecavalier could be the best player in the league with all the assets that he has. He's a big body, has a great shot and is fairly smart with the puck. Its just something is missing with him that yes does make him a tad overated. |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 15:42:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
quote:
Originally posted by willus3
Currently I think Lecavalier is fairly overrated.
Last year was his first outstanding year. He's been in the league for 8 years now and been average for the majority of them.
Yet there are people who think he's the best player in the league.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
I think Lecavalier could be the best player in the league with all the assets that he has. He's a big body, has a great shot and is fairly smart with the puck. Its just something is missing with him that yes does make him a tad overated.
To be fair to Lecavalier, if I played for that no mind Tortellini or Mussolini or whatever his name is  I'd probably play crappy too. Or deck him.
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 16:16:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
quote:
Originally posted by willus3
Currently I think Lecavalier is fairly overrated.
Last year was his first outstanding year. He's been in the league for 8 years now and been average for the majority of them.
Yet there are people who think he's the best player in the league.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
I think Lecavalier could be the best player in the league with all the assets that he has. He's a big body, has a great shot and is fairly smart with the puck. Its just something is missing with him that yes does make him a tad overated.
One word....consistency. There was a game he played last year against the Penguins where he made Crosby look like a junior player by comparison (yes, that statement from me will shock some of you - but it was true). He just doesn't do it every night, like the true greats do or have done.
One guy I keep going back to in my drafts for some idiotic reason, and I always end up crying about is Afinogenov. All flash, no substance. I think the guy's problem is that he's dumb. I don't mean that in a rude way, he's just not smart enough to be an elite player. The best players don't just have skills, they are intelligent. Maxim seems like he might be a dumb guy. |
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SuperSakic
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 11:28:38
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Daigle probably is one of the biggest. Ottawa just seemed to have a knack for drafting overly-hyped players back in the day....Remember Bonk? He was touted as a scoring machine!
I would also like to throw Ryan Smith into the mix as well. Just because I say so... |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 12:28:15
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It is funny that Beans mentioned Pat Falloon.
San Jose drafted him in 2nd 1995. He was traded to Philadelphia for Matin Spanhel (who), a round 1 pick in 1996 (Daniel Briere), and a fourth pick Mike Martone???
Philadelphia then traded Pat Falloon for Ottawa's Alexander Daigle.
I guess each team thought that they could turn the flopped players around...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
538 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 20:06:40
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Obviously Sid Crosby...Contrary to TSN's reports, I haven't seen him walk on water yet.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 20:52:47
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
537 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2007 : 08:02:16
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| The most over-rated player I can think of at this moment has to be Brian Lawton of the Minnesota North Stars. This guy went first overall and with much fanfare at the time. He did even less that Daige and eventually became a player agent. I still hear his name from time to time so I assume he is a much better agent than he was a player. The most under rated player had to be little Nick Borshevsky of the Leafs. When he slayed the mighty red dragon (Detroit) in the playoffs a number of years ago it brought tears to my eyes that I'll never forget. It is too bad I have to rely on these old memories when refering to the Maples but there just hasn't been much else since '67. |
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Guest4912
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 08:04:37
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| whoever says iginlas overrated is plain stupid. as much as i hate the flames, iginla is an amazing goal scorer, a tough player, and great leader. he is exactly like mark messier. hello! he won the art ross in 02 and the richard in 04!! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/15/2007 : 14:50:14
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quote:
Originally posted by MSC
I've never seen him walk on it but my lord he can skate on it...
This is an all-time instant classic reply...god i wish I had said it...kudos. |
Edited by - fly4apuckguy on 11/15/2007 14:50:48 |
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Scudworth
Top Prospect
Canada
23 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 21:28:20
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| I'm going to point at Eric Lindros for this one. Defending my poll answer from a few weeks ago. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/26/2007 : 09:52:20
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I donj't think Lindros is overrated. He deserves to be a hall of famer.
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LeafsFan4Life
Top Prospect
Canada
65 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 11:34:06
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crosby -- just because hes a whiner, if he is the second coming of gretzky then why isnt does he not already have 200 points, just my personal opinion.
Long Live Hockey |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/26/2007 : 12:54:35
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crosby -- just because hes a whiner, if he is the second coming of gretzky then why isnt does he not already have 200 points, just my personal opinion.
1. He doesn't play with the likes of Messier, Kurri, Lowe, Coffey, Anderson, the list goes on. The only guy on the pens that even comes close to the list is Malkin.
2. Different game now than it was in the 80's. Guys are bigger and faster. Goalies have bigger pads, and equipment, so there's less net to shoot on.
3. He's not Gretz, and he probably will never be Gretz.
Go Wings Go! |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 14:07:47
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I think Ovechkin is overated, not Crosby.
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Guest2131
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Posted - 11/27/2007 : 05:01:45
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Iginla is a third line checker at best.
Overated bum who should never of been on an olympic team....... |
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Kyrens gpa
Top Prospect
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Posted - 11/27/2007 : 09:07:32
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| Well, obviously, the most overrated player is anyone Toronto Maple Lafs has on their team, pick one |
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/27/2007 : 09:20:49
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Brad Richards, he simply hangs off the coat tails of St. Louis, and Lecavalier.
Put him on any other line in the league and he won't do as good.
Go Wings Go! |
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Guest4912
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Posted - 11/27/2007 : 10:01:16
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| Hey Antrom-man, WERE BACK and I just want to start off by saying that Brian Lawton is not nearly as over rated as one Nik Antropov, he has been terrible for the leafs. Antropov is an absolute joke along with the team that he plays for. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2007 : 15:16:40
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quote:
Originally posted by hkalirah
Brad Richards, he simply hangs off the coat tails of St. Louis, and Lecavalier.
Put him on any other line in the league and he won't do as good.
Go Wings Go!
Dam, I was just about to say him.
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Edited by - nashvillepreds on 11/27/2007 15:16:57 |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/27/2007 : 15:18:09
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Originally posted by Guest4912
Hey Antrom-man, WERE BACK and I just want to start off by saying that Brian Lawton is not nearly as over rated as one Nik Antropov, he has been terrible for the leafs. Antropov is an absolute joke along with the team that he plays for.
Most people already know he isn't leading scorer material, I think a lot of people got caught up with him for a bit when he was 3rd in league scoring and 5th in points.
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Guest9252
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 10:32:25
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To be over-rated you have to be rated in the first place. Unless you love or hate the leafs you are wondering who this Antropov guy is people are talking about and why people care about a guy who has 1 goal in his last 12 games...
If you want to find an over-rated player on Toronto try Jason Blake. Last year he played on a 'more skilled' line and now that he is being forced to perform practically on his own in Toronto he has not been able to. I am not trying to be mean here and did not forget about what he has had to go through but when you are 5th in the league with 110 shots on net -and only have 2 goals to show for it... well lets just say that I am fairly confident that the average person over the age of 50 who has never played hockey in their life could beat a 1.8% shooting average with any goalie in the league. |
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 14:09:14
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I highly doubt anybodo over 50 who has never played hockey can even hold a stick correctly.
Blake performing by himself, well I woyuldn't really call what he's doing now performing. Didn't Sundin also not score last year for like 20 games or something? And doesn't Sundin get a lot of shots as well.
As for the performing by himself commnet though, he's been doing it his whole career. who was he with last year, Yashin? Yet he still scored 40 goals and played in the all star game.
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Jeremy12
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 13:50:24
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Crosby
he does like the smallest thing that any player on any team can do and people on like TSN go "watch crosby make this perfect breakout pass" its just ridiculous
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 15:02:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy12
Crosby
he does like the smallest thing that any player on any team can do and people on like TSN go "watch crosby make this perfect breakout pass" its just ridiculous
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x49/Jeremy12_24/spezza_sig21.jpg[/IMG]
I know a lot fo the broadcasting studios talk about him a lot and he's always in the newspaper but do the fans think he's overated?
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 17:27:28
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I'm guessing you lost your pool or are losing because of him.
I think Nylander is overated.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1053 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 17:29:32
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Originally posted by Guest2131
Iginla is a third line checker at best.
Overated bum who should never of been on an olympic team.......
I just don't understand one thing. If Iginla is one of the best players in the league, chosen by Gretzky to be on an olympic team and is one of the best captains in the NHL, how is he a third liner?
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Edited by - nashvillepreds on 12/02/2007 17:29:49 |
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