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Azeman
Top Prospect
Canada
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 Posted - 11/12/2007 : 12:01:35
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Poll Question:
Do you like Avery Yes or No and give me a reason for your answer
GO WINGS GO!!!!
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Azeman
Top Prospect
Canada
36 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 12:03:03
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Avery is so fun to watch. He makes hockey interesting when he tries to fight the whole other team. Combined with good talent he is one of my favorite players to watch
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hkalirah
PickupHockey Pro
382 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 12:20:18
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No! He's a coward. Talks like he's one of the big boys, but when it comes time to take a beating from one, he runs and hides in his shell.
Go Wings Go! |
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Guest9253
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 14:21:46
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Avery is the best at what he does...for example Toronto was still irritated by him long after the hockey game was done! And you would think that it would take a lot more than that to throw a team's focus off with how much they are each individually getting paid!
What makes Avery truly special is that if he did no talking whatsoever he would still make the NHL based on playing ability -he may be the only guy to play his style of game that could do that. (in my opinion) |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 15:42:22
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I used to think I did. I like instigators, generally. I think they make the game more interesting.
But there is a line, and I think he crosses it too often.
Let's face it...the guy is a jerk. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 15:49:55
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Hey Fly, isn't that what he gets paid for?? The guy is the biggest pain for the other team in the league. Anyone who says they wouldn't love this guy on their team is either lying or doesn't understand his value. I personally hate Avery ONLY when he is playing the Oilers. Every other game I think he is amazing. Just like one of the previous posts, TO is STILL pissed off and the game was two days ago!!
He is the absolute best in the league at what he does, and he gets paid to cross the line. And let's not confuse his role with an enforcer. He is an aggitator or an instigator. Not an inforcer. His role isn't to fight. His role is to piss off the other team into taking stupid penalties.
Above that, the guy has game. He is stupid fast and plays very hard. Not only does he go out and piss off the whole Leaf team BEFORE the game starts, he then goes out and gets a goal and an assist on back to back shifts to put the Rangers up 2-0!!
Anyone who wouldn't love that guy on their team is smoking something.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Guest6442
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 16:02:53
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| No any professional that brings other players family and personnal circumstances up should have their ass kicked! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 16:15:11
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Originally posted by Beans15
Hey Fly, isn't that what he gets paid for?? The guy is the biggest pain for the other team in the league. Anyone who says they wouldn't love this guy on their team is either lying or doesn't understand his value. I personally hate Avery ONLY when he is playing the Oilers. Every other game I think he is amazing. Just like one of the previous posts, TO is STILL pissed off and the game was two days ago!!
He is the absolute best in the league at what he does, and he gets paid to cross the line. And let's not confuse his role with an enforcer. He is an aggitator or an instigator. Not an inforcer. His role isn't to fight. His role is to piss off the other team into taking stupid penalties.
Above that, the guy has game. He is stupid fast and plays very hard. Not only does he go out and piss off the whole Leaf team BEFORE the game starts, he then goes out and gets a goal and an assist on back to back shifts to put the Rangers up 2-0!!
Anyone who wouldn't love that guy on their team is smoking something.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
I would have actually been on your side last year Beans. I thought the guy was just doing his job, too. Plus, he's skilled.
I just watched a Wade Belak interview, and I think Wade (perhaps The great hockey mind of our generation  ) said it best...instigators are great to have on your team, but there is are lines that should not be crossed.
I like a **** disturber as much as the next guy (I was a bit of one myself in my day), but a guy has to have respect for the game, too. It can be a balancing act, but most guys seem to figure it out.
Avery hasn't figured it out. He's going to find himself on the outside looking in someday. You can't be racist and talk about other guys' wives and stuff and expect everyone to smile and say it's just part of his game. That's not a part of his game - that's his personality.
He hides behind the rules. That's not admirable - that's gutless. |
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KariyaSelanne
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
297 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 16:43:09
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| I agree with Beans, Avery is the best at what he does and he can also play the game. Avery is one of my favorite players because he is so fun to watch and makes the game more interesting. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 17:06:24
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Originally posted by Beans15
Hey Fly, isn't that what he gets paid for?? The guy is the biggest pain for the other team in the league. Anyone who says they wouldn't love this guy on their team is either lying or doesn't understand his value. I personally hate Avery ONLY when he is playing the Oilers. Every other game I think he is amazing. Just like one of the previous posts, TO is STILL pissed off and the game was two days ago!!
He is the absolute best in the league at what he does, and he gets paid to cross the line. And let's not confuse his role with an enforcer. He is an agitator or an instigator. Not an enforcer. His role isn't to fight. His role is to piss off the other team into taking stupid penalties.
Above that, the guy has game. He is stupid fast and plays very hard. Not only does he go out and piss off the whole Leaf team BEFORE the game starts, he then goes out and gets a goal and an assist on back to back shifts to put the Rangers up 2-0!!
Anyone who wouldn't love that guy on their team is smoking something.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
In case no one heard about this, Avery said something that made fun of the leukemia that Jason Blake has. He mocked Blake because of his illness. That is classless and cowardly.
Avery is nothing but a jerk, and he crosses the line to much to give his team an edge. A Ranger player even said after the game that after he found out what Avery had said of Blake he felt like punching his in the jaw.
I don't know of many teams that would take Avery. He disgraces himself, his team and the league. He is one BIG distraction. He only goes after little guys that he can take. He is, in short, a jerk. And I don't know how many teams would want jerk like that in the locker room. |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 17:19:41
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There is no doubt that Avery has skill, and is quite capable of handling himself in a fight with the leagues lightweights.
He is a player that you would rather have on your team than play against.
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Crossing the line is one thing taking a giant leap over, using racial slurs, or talking about someone’s health or family is wrong. There is not one person here that would accept that type of talk in their place of work. So why should an NHL player have to take it in his place of work, the arena.
The NHL needs to investigate any player that acts in this manner and deal with it appropriately…
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 18:22:21
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
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Originally posted by Beans15
Hey Fly, isn't that what he gets paid for?? The guy is the biggest pain for the other team in the league. Anyone who says they wouldn't love this guy on their team is either lying or doesn't understand his value. I personally hate Avery ONLY when he is playing the Oilers. Every other game I think he is amazing. Just like one of the previous posts, TO is STILL pissed off and the game was two days ago!!
He is the absolute best in the league at what he does, and he gets paid to cross the line. And let's not confuse his role with an enforcer. He is an agitator or an instigator. Not an enforcer. His role isn't to fight. His role is to piss off the other team into taking stupid penalties.
Above that, the guy has game. He is stupid fast and plays very hard. Not only does he go out and piss off the whole Leaf team BEFORE the game starts, he then goes out and gets a goal and an assist on back to back shifts to put the Rangers up 2-0!!
Anyone who wouldn't love that guy on their team is smoking something.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
In case no one heard about this, Avery said something that made fun of the leukemia that Jason Blake has. He mocked Blake because of his illness. That is classless and cowardly.
Avery is nothing but a jerk, and he crosses the line to much to give his team an edge. A Ranger player even said after the game that after he found out what Avery had said of Blake he felt like punching his in the jaw.
I don't know of many teams that would take Avery. He disgraces himself, his team and the league. He is one BIG distraction. He only goes after little guys that he can take. He is, in short, a jerk. And I don't know how many teams would want jerk like that in the locker room.
Yeah, I just read about the allegations online here. If it's true that it was regarding Blake's leukemia, he should be suspended. Seriously, I think this is one case where any potential upside he brings to a team is outweighed by what a classless moron he is. There's instigating, and then there is being a total scumbag. No team wants that kind of idiot. |
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Guest5476
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 19:32:15
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| Avery has a review with Colin Campbell this week to explain his comments to Jason Blake. He should be suspended and fined for instigating during the pre-game warmup. He's an a**hole! |
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Thornton.Jr.
Top Prospect
Canada
21 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 20:30:57
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He does his job and he is a top six forward
If you go into the shark tank you don't come out alive |
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 20:45:54
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| Ok. Being a pain in the ass player and spearing people are two different things, Avery isn't a pain in the butt player he is an idiot. I youtubed Sean Avery and like 4 videos came up with the title "Avery" and "Spear". That is not a good thing. There is a fine line there. He crosses it. I wish Belak was playing Saturday night after what he tried to pull with Blake. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 21:08:49
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| I'm just curious, have any of you people hear him make racial slurs? I know that any form of cancer is horrible, but Blake's cancer is treatable and he will be able to maintain a normal life. If he takes exception to somthing Avery said about it then he has the option to deal with it just like you or I would. As far as making fun of someones wife goes, do you actually think he even knows the other players wives? Does he have any real idea about the family life of the other players? My guess would be no. What this tells me is that Avery is pulling at straws hoping for a reaction which he is getting. Maybe if the opposing players could learn to use their heads a little better they'd understand that avery is talking out of his ass and doesn't even know his wife so there's no reason to get upset. Unless out of coincidence Avery hit the nail on the head, then maybe they should deal with their wife not Avery |
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
224 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 23:12:56
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Originally posted by MSC
I'm just curious, have any of you people hear him make racial slurs? I know that any form of cancer is horrible, but Blake's cancer is treatable and he will be able to maintain a normal life. If he takes exception to somthing Avery said about it then he has the option to deal with it just like you or I would. As far as making fun of someones wife goes, do you actually think he even knows the other players wives? Does he have any real idea about the family life of the other players? My guess would be no. What this tells me is that Avery is pulling at straws hoping for a reaction which he is getting. Maybe if the opposing players could learn to use their heads a little better they'd understand that avery is talking out of his ass and doesn't even know his wife so there's no reason to get upset. Unless out of coincidence Avery hit the nail on the head, then maybe they should deal with their wife not Avery
I am going to go ahead and assume that you have not played hockey at a competitive level have you? People get upset at every little thing at those levels. It's in the heat of the game. That is WHY Avery does it. Because he knows that ANY little comment can get someone upset. Thats what he gets paid to do. I am not saying that it is okay, cause I hate him. But to say to just use your head and not get upset is wrong. Anyone knows that that is VERY hard to do in a game. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 00:56:07
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I'm going to have to go ahead and assume you haven't played sports period. Having a good head on your shoulders is what seperates the mediocore from the stars. Saying that people at a high level of competition get upset at every little thing said to them is one of the most off base statements I've ever heard. Actually I apoligize, professional athletes may very well get upset about every thing said to them but what sets professionals apart from amateurs is their ability to have thick skin, let it bounce right off them and go out and get their job done. So, I'm going to stand by my statement of "use your head and not get upset." And unless you enjoy playing short handed and distracted then I don't know anyone who would disagree with that. I've never once heard any of my coaches tell me or anyone on my team..."Alright guys, let's go out there and take some really stupid pentalys today. Especially if anyone makes fun of your mom. Defence, if I don't see you retaliating out there whenever someone slashes your calf trust me, you'll be benched. MacGillcuddy, I swear to god if even one fan tells you that you suck and you don't throw your stick at him you'll never play for me again, I don't care if you are averaging a hat trick every game"
Maybe that's because the hockey I played wasn't competitive enough for your approval though. |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 05:16:21
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This is an excerpt from the Human Rights code of Ontario, I am sure every Province, and state has a code that is similar.
Harassment in employment
(2) Every person who is an employee has a right to freedom from harassment in the workplace by the employer or agent of the employer or by another employee because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, age, record of offences, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 5 (2); 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (6); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. 5, s. 32 (6).
It is one thing to talk hockey, and is another when you involve any of the above, this goes for all the players, coaches, refs, linesmen, etc...
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h19_e.htm
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
891 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 05:28:54
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My quick and likely only comment today.
MSC - I get what you are saying generally, BUT there is a line that clearly was crossed if comments were made about Blake's health situation. Regardless of whether it is treatable cancer or not, there is so much involved emotionally in those types of circumstances. Avery shouldn't have gone ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. Maybe he understands that now. Hopefully he does.
Edit - And it would be very hard for anyone (teammates included), amateur or professional, not to react to such comments |
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redwings85
Top Prospect
Canada
20 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 06:43:47
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Personally, I like Avery.
He is good at his job of being a pest. It works, he can get underskin, and be successful just see Tucker.
limited on a skill level when scoring, but pest is his number 1 duty.
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90s Hockey was the prime when they hooked. . . THEY HOOKED! when they Held, THEY HELD!
The only time they got the gate was when the player ''fell'' on his ass.
not this cheesey stick perpendicular to the ice, lets call it! |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:07:14
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No one on here can prove that he said anything about Blake's illness. It's one players word against the other. Because it's Avery, he's automatically guilty??? Time will tell. Remember, it's not a popularity contest. Wonder what would have happened if this happened involving a team other than TO???
And, what happens on the ice and what happens off the ice might be two totally different things. Avery might be the nicest guy in the world away from the rink. Just like Phil Hellmuth in poker, who is the world's biggest jerk when he is playing cards and is, from the account of other players, the nicest guy in the world away from the table. No one on here knows that either.
If Avery did say something about Blake's illness that is over the line. Really, that is only one of a couple of things that are off limits. Race is another. But a guys wife, his kids, his appearance, his activities, anything can and will be brought up in smack talk. C'mon guys, this is pro sports. It's WAY more than Avery out there talking up the other guy.
*As you can tell, I like keeping arguements going so I am playing devil's advocate. I strongly agree that Avery crossed the line IF he said something about Blake's illness. However, innocent until proven guilty right??? Nor do I support any kind of racial slurs. However, momma jokes, talking about another man's wife, and making fun of the way he looks belongs on the ice as well as on the golf course. Especially when money is on the line.*
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Guest4238
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Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:21:29
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quote:
Originally posted by andyhack
My quick and likely only comment today.
MSC - I get what you are saying generally, BUT there is a line that clearly was crossed if comments were made about Blake's health situation. Regardless of whether it is treatable cancer or not, there is so much involved emotionally in those types of circumstances. IF Avery did say something on that topic, he shouldn't have gone ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. If he did say something, maybe he understands how wrong that was now. Hopefully he does.
Edit - And it would be very hard for anyone (teammates included), amateur or professional, not to react to such comments
Edit 2 - the last part above has been slightly reworded to cover Defence Counsel Bean's "innocent til proven guilty" point |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
891 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:25:17
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Guest 4238 was me obviously.
TOTALLY guessing, but I think he may have said something sort of indirectly referencing the illness. Again, just guessing. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 16:11:49
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Rangers fined $25,000; Maple Leafs fined $10,000; Avery fined $2,500; Tucker fined $1,000
TORONTO – The New York Rangers organization has been fined $25,000, the Toronto Maple Leafs $10,000; the Rangers Sean Avery fined $2,500 and the Maple Leafs Darcy Tucker $1,000 for their actions in the pre-game warm-up in NHL Game #236 on Nov. 10.
"The unprofessional conduct of Avery in initiating this altercation, less than a week after being involved in an incident in the pre-game warm-up against New Jersey, is the basis for this discipline," said NHL Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell. "Tucker also bears some responsibility for his inappropriate response. Both organizations must also be held accountable for the players’ actions.”
Team fine money goes to the NHL Foundation; player fine money goes to the NHL Players' Emergency Assistance Fund
From NHL.com
For all of you that said there was something said about Blake's illness, I hope this puts it to bed. Avery got more because he also started something in Jersey. Tucker got fined too.
Avery stirring the pot in the warm-ups is awesome if you are a Ranger fan. I personally love it!
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2414 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 16:20:16
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It is time for the NHL to have some officials on the ice so this type of incident does not happen again, buy the way its not the first altercation in the warm-ups.
It is great the money goes towards the "Emergency Assistance Fund", but I think that this type of altercation requires a larger fine, $2,500, and $1,000 is small peanuts to the players in this day, and age...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 16:24:57
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Honestly, I think that if the media didn't make such a fuss about this situation there wouldn't have been any fines at all. The NHL had to do something because of the spotlight on the situations.
Refs/linesmen on the ice during warmups, I think that's a great idea.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 16:44:00
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Originally posted by MSC
As far as making fun of someones wife goes, do you actually think he even knows the other players wives? Does he have any real idea about the family life of the other players? My guess would be no. What this tells me is that Avery is pulling at straws hoping for a reaction which he is getting. Maybe if the opposing players could learn to use their heads a little better they'd understand that avery is talking out of his ass and doesn't even know his wife so there's no reason to get upset. Unless out of coincidence Avery hit the nail on the head, then maybe they should deal with their wife not Avery
You'd be surprised what these guys know about each other, bro. You know how the pro wrestlers would once in awhile get caught with their enemy at some bar, etc.? Same thing here. These guys know each other very well in some cases. Better than they know some of their own teammates (some of the European guys are very stand-offish, I've heard).
I know a current NHL player, and his best hockey friends are players on the Oilers, Canucks, and Flames. He doesn't play for any of those teams. In fact, one of the guys on another team is his brother in law. When my friend got married a couple of years back, he had guys from all over the NHL there (did you know Jarett Stoll went out with Rachel Hunter, the supermodel? Wow - they were there.) Anyway, I digress...you don't think these guys swap stories about wives and stuff over golf or beers?
They also have played with each other on World Championship teams, have played junior together, etc. Watch carefully when they interview a guy on Sportscentre sometime, and you'll catch a guy from one team using a guy from another team's nickname.
The other night during the FSN broadcast of the Pens-Rangers game they were talking about two guys on the separate teams - Talbot and some other French guy whose name I can't remember - who live together in the summer.
Avery probably knew some stuff, although I'm guessing he's not invited out with the boys too often, and probably never anymore. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 17:33:47
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Just letting you know that Avery denies making those comments about Blake's cancer. He said he lost both his grandfathers to cancer and he donates a lot of money to cancer research and is avidly invoved in hockey fights cancer.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 19:31:27
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| I completly agree that some of their best friends are on other teams, I too know this for a fact. But do you think that they are out there getting greasy with their friends about their wives extra curricular activities or are they saving that for people they aren't friends with? My point is that how can I feel bad for a player taking exception to somthing some one heard through the grapevine. It's all fairly high schoolish, maybe tucker should take half his contract and put it in one ear and the other half in his other ear and try focusing on playing hockey as opposed to Avery spreading rumors about his wife. Kids are learn at a very young age that if you don't give a s*** disturber a reaction they go away and focus on someone else. Fines from the NHL won't solve this problem(I personally don't even consider it a problem) but a little maturity from average players like tucker will. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 19:46:04
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I'm not sure what turn my life has taken recently for this sad reality to occur, but I am about to defend Darcy Tucker... 
If someone says something about my wife, or my buddy's cancer, it's his ass. There are some things worth defending, and that would be two of them. Maturity or not, he's going down and he's going down hard. I do not care what I get fined.
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 20:02:31
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| As previously mentioned there has been no proof that Avery said anything about the cancer, it's all speculation right now. If someone says somthing about my wife, or kids, or anyone in my family yes I would be going for him also. I'd do it during the game however, wait to catch him behind the play, with his head down, in the corner. There's no sense in running your mouth in an interview after the fact, or getting into it before the game when 20 people are going to step in before anything can actually happen. And like I mentioned before, if you someone calls your wife a garden tool and it's not true why would you really care...but if it is true, maybe it's your wife you need to deal with. |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2007 : 20:37:50
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I'm not sure there is a "proper" time to deal with someone calling your wife a garden tool.
Listen, is there actually anyone out there who thinks Avery isn't capable of saying something about Blake's cancer? Maybe he didn't, but it's not like we're accusing Jean Beliveau here. Avery has probably said worse things than that in the past, and likely since.
As for going to the press, it was actually a Ranger that told the reporter what he had said, not Tucker. Tucker only said he had made a comment that was outside of the game.
I've played against little weasels like Avery. Guys who say something inexcusable and then (A) hide behind the biggest guy on the team, (B) use the rules of the game to make sure they don't get nailed, or (C) get you into a fight, and then turtle like the little coward he is. Yes he fought Tucker, but I've seen him lie down like a baby more than once.
Fighting Tucker isn't exactly what you'd call being heroic. He's a gamer, but he's no Belak.
I used to defend that loser, you know. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 08:32:07
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If you reacted that way to comments about your wife or kids, you just did exactly what the guy wanted you to do. You took it personal. I don't care how good of a player you are, if you get on tilt like that, you are not as effective in the game as you can be. Avery wins.
A guy like Avery will alway talk. He will never stop. The best come back to that guy will always be the scoreboard. Win the game and his actions make him look like even more of a tool. A guy talking smack and the other guy pointing to the scoreboard with a big lead. That is the best.
Instead, act like Tucker, and let him get into your kitchen. In the end, you lost the game. Nice work. However, if Tucker skates away at the time and throws in a Gordie Howe Hat Trick during the game,TO wins. That is what Tucker should have done.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
834 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2007 : 15:18:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
If you reacted that way to comments about your wife or kids, you just did exactly what the guy wanted you to do. You took it personal. I don't care how good of a player you are, if you get on tilt like that, you are not as effective in the game as you can be. Avery wins.
A guy like Avery will alway talk. He will never stop. The best come back to that guy will always be the scoreboard. Win the game and his actions make him look like even more of a tool. A guy talking smack and the other guy pointing to the scoreboard with a big lead. That is the best.
Instead, act like Tucker, and let him get into your kitchen. In the end, you lost the game. Nice work. However, if Tucker skates away at the time and throws in a Gordie Howe Hat Trick during the game,TO wins. That is what Tucker should have done.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Beans, you have a tendency to be so matter-of-fact on a lot of issues like this.
Just walk away...be smart...whatever.
Have you been in that situation? Or better yet, have you been in that situation, and been an intense person?
I get what you are saying, that Avery gets what he wants because he's looking for the response, and guys are usually willing to give it to him.
However, unless you have no spine and no self-respect, there are times a guy HAS to respond. If not, you're the "Coward of the County".
Excuse the ancient Kenny Rogers reference there. |
Edited by - fly4apuckguy on 11/14/2007 17:35:01 |
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PuckNuts
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 16:24:35
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Just imagine working in an office.
You, and a fellow employee are trying to get the same promotion.
The other employee says something about your family.
1.) You walk away.
2.) You have a rebuttal.
3.) You report him to a superior.
His goal is to upset you so that you say something, maybe take a swing, etc so he will get the promotion.
The ice surface is the players office, and there is no need for any person, player etc. to have to listen to some bobblehead with derogatory comments, at any place or any time...
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 16:58:25
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Fly, I have been in those situations. I played basketball at the highest level I could. (Parents didn't have the money to put me in hockey) There were times where things were said that were very harsh. Playing basketball, there were racial slurs. Being very well coached, we were taught to "hit'em where it hurts." The scoreboard. We were punished for reacting any other way.
And I disagree that something could be said that's so bad to gain a physical reaction especially in sport. I am an intense person. And call me the Coward of the Country if you wish. If someone does something to physical harm my family in any way, that's a different story. But we are talking about trash talk in sports here.
If you react to a trash talker physically, they won and you lost. You shove it back in their face by winning and you make them look foolish by outplaying them. There are few things in sport as embarrassing as a trash talker getting schooled.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 17:45:29
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Beans, I'm not calling you the Coward of the County. District, maybe, but not the whole county.
Nah, seriously, all joking aside, hockey is a very intense sport. It's not like any other, except for maybe UFC, if you call that a sport. It's a throwback game, really. A game where men are men and they have honour, courage, and all that crap.
Maybe you'd have to have been in the situation to understand it...and I don't want you thinking that's a diss, it isn't. It's just that in some respects, hockey is more than a game to the guys who play it. At least, a lot of guys. To many, it's about life. That sounds corny, but I played it that way. I would never intentionally hurt anyone, but I know that when I was out there, it meant more to me than just a sport. I played other sports. They were games. Hockey was more.
One of my favourite stories is the one Phil Esposito tells about the '72 Series. He says that he knew he was capable of killing another human being, because he would have killed to win that series.
To the regular guy on the street, that sounds disgusting. To me, it made perfect sense. Not that you'd actually kill a guy...but the game stirs that level of emotion for some people. It's very primal, and it's what makes the game special to me. I know some of the players (mostly Canadians) play it that way, too. Usually, those are most successful players, I might add. It doesn't mean they are violent, it just means the game is more than just a game. When someone takes that, and spits on it, the feeling is so sickening it's beyond words.
It's tough to describe...I hope something I said is understandable. |
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Posted - 11/23/2007 : 07:58:45
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| i do not like him at all, as a hockey player myself, a big defenceman. i like to chirp and thats all in good fun, i like the odd scrap etc etc. But Avery crosses the line way too often for your normal tough guy. |
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Do you like Avery 
