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nashvillepreds
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 Posted - 11/28/2007 : 15:24:30
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Poll Question:
Who is the best player to have on your team for shootouts?
GO PREDATORS GO
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Edited by - nashvillepreds on 11/28/2007 15:27:47
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 17:11:46
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Jokinene, he has the best shootout record. Might not have the bst moves but he can fool the goalies well.
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Gostarsgo12
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 17:24:38
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Jokinen easy choice!
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Guest5052
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 17:52:42
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| Kovalchuk!!! he can beat any goalie with his shot |
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Ottawa Oilers
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 18:19:06
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| Sammy Gagner deserves to be up there. Have you seen thsi kids moves? they're absolutely nuts! |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 15:54:40
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quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Jokinene, he has the best shootout record. Might not have the bst moves but he can fool the goalies well.
GO PREDATORS GO
Might not have the best moves?
'THE Jokenin' isn't one of the best if not THE best move?
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 15:55:35
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He's kind of (who am I kidding, he IS) in a class of his own, but Robbi Schremp deserves recognition, even if you put an asterisk beside his name to point out that his moves are technically illegal...
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Guest4912
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 08:01:58
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| ottawa oilers and fuest 5052 you are absolutly right on both counts kovalchuck has the most goals right now and sick vision of the ice. Gagner has the sickest shootout moves in the game.............nuf said |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 08:20:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Jokinene, he has the best shootout record. Might not have the bst moves but he can fool the goalies well.
GO PREDATORS GO
Might not have the best moves?
'THE Jokenin' isn't one of the best if not THE best move?
Habs get number 25 this year
"The Jokenin" is actually the "Forsberg" who was doing that move in games long before Jokenin was in the league or when there were shoot outs. Before that, both Lemiuex and Lindros were known to do very similar moves.
So please don't call it the Jokinen, he may use it, but he wasn't the first to use it.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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willus3
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 09:06:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Jokinene, he has the best shootout record. Might not have the bst moves but he can fool the goalies well.
GO PREDATORS GO
Might not have the best moves?
'THE Jokenin' isn't one of the best if not THE best move?
Habs get number 25 this year
"The Jokenin" is actually the "Forsberg" who was doing that move in games long before Jokenin was in the league or when there were shoot outs. Before that, both Lemiuex and Lindros were known to do very similar moves.
So please don't call it the Jokinen, he may use it, but he wasn't the first to use it.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Is it the move where he has one hand on the stick out wide to one side but his body goes the other way?
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 12:18:36
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Jokinene, he has the best shootout record. Might not have the bst moves but he can fool the goalies well.
GO PREDATORS GO
Might not have the best moves?
'THE Jokenin' isn't one of the best if not THE best move?
Habs get number 25 this year
"The Jokenin" is actually the "Forsberg" who was doing that move in games long before Jokenin was in the league or when there were shoot outs. Before that, both Lemiuex and Lindros were known to do very similar moves.
So please don't call it the Jokinen, he may use it, but he wasn't the first to use it.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Is it the move where he has one hand on the stick out wide to one side but his body goes the other way?
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
Ya Willus, that is the move that I hear commentators call the "Jokenin."
Was there someone before Lemiuex who used that move?? I don't recall personally.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 13:58:27
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For all those out there who are calling me a plagarizer, for lack of better term, I know fully well that it was patented by Peter, and I selected not to include that in my post because I felt it was not necessary. Sorry Forsberg, I know the credit is rightfully yours bud.
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willus3
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 14:22:40
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I don't know but I thought it was a Mogilny move but I could be wrong.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 14:24:12
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I personally never heard that
Habs get number 25 this year |
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willus3
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 15:39:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I personally never heard that
Habs get number 25 this year
Me either, but I did see it. I just don't know if he was the first to do it. I'm pretty sure it was before Forsberg's time though.
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Alex
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Posted - 12/11/2007 : 16:05:44
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Well there is a video of Forsberg doing it in 94, was it earlier than that?
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I´m also Cånädiön
Rookie
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 08:42:42
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Originally posted by Alex
Well there is a video of Forsberg doing it in 94, was it earlier than that?
Habs get number 25 this year
The first player to use that move was Kenta "Mr Magic" Nilsson.
So it should really be called The Nilsson, even though Forsberg made it famous by doing it at a very young age and in an important moment.
Heres Kenta doing it in 89: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobAlzxDdXc
Edit: Forsbergs biggest childhood idol was not Kenta but Håkan Loob. Don´t know what I was thinking when I wrote that, it´s possible I had one or two many conversations with Mr Guinness for me to make that mistake. |
Edited by - I´m also Cånädiön on 10/26/2008 01:48:06 |
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 11:39:30
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| Letang for pittsburg has done very well. I've only seen two of his, but he beat the Kipper and Luongo....not easy to do. Very impressive, especially for a defenceman. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 12:43:24
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Originally posted by I´m also Cånädiön
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Originally posted by Alex
Well there is a video of Forsberg doing it in 94, was it earlier than that?
Habs get number 25 this year
The first player to use that move was Kenta "Mr Magic" Nilsson who was Forsbergs childhood idol growing up.
So it should really be called The Nilsson, even though Forsberg made it famous by doing it at a very young age and in an important moment.
Heres Kenta doing it in 89: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobAlzxDdXc
And who remembers Magic in comparison to Petey F?
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 12:45:02
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I personally think sniper over dangler in shootouts. Shanahan is very, very good. Very. And Kovalchuk is starting to emulate him. They are very good parts of the shootout
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I´m also Cånädiön
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 13:23:00
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by I´m also Cånädiön
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Originally posted by Alex
Well there is a video of Forsberg doing it in 94, was it earlier than that?
Habs get number 25 this year
The first player to use that move was Kenta "Mr Magic" Nilsson who was Forsbergs childhood idol growing up.
So it should really be called The Nilsson, even though Forsberg made it famous by doing it at a very young age and in an important moment.
Heres Kenta doing it in 89: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobAlzxDdXc
And who remembers Magic in comparison to Petey F?
Habs get number 25 this year
Someone a bit older than you perhaps?
Kenta had two 107 points seasons when first coming to the NHL and still holds Calgarys record of 131 points in a season...not too shabby.
Edit: Got a bit offtopic, as for the best shootout player today i have to agree with the popular vote that jokinen takes it. |
Edited by - I´m also Cånädiön on 12/12/2007 14:02:39 |
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Jeremy12
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 14:07:59
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Sundin is pretty good at the shoot out you cant stop that wrister top shelf!
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x49/Jeremy12_24/spezza_sig21.jpg[/IMG] |
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Jeremy12
Rookie
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 14:16:55
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He can also whip out that back hander every now and then.
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x49/Jeremy12_24/spezza_sig21.jpg[/IMG] |
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willus3
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 14:33:25
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by I´m also Cånädiön
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Originally posted by Alex
Well there is a video of Forsberg doing it in 94, was it earlier than that?
Habs get number 25 this year
The first player to use that move was Kenta "Mr Magic" Nilsson who was Forsbergs childhood idol growing up.
So it should really be called The Nilsson, even though Forsberg made it famous by doing it at a very young age and in an important moment.
Heres Kenta doing it in 89: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QobAlzxDdXc
And who remembers Magic in comparison to Petey F?
Habs get number 25 this year
Some of us didn't start watching hockey 2 years ago...
Nilsson was a treat to watch actually.
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Alex
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Posted - 12/12/2007 : 14:34:41
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I'm not denying he was good, but certainly Forsberg is much more well known, don't you agree?
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 07:38:25
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Jussi Jokinen, DAL
(everyone keeps repeating the last name, seemingly ignoring the fact that there are two Jokinens in the league)
Hands down, so far. |
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Posted - 12/14/2007 : 08:32:58
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I'm sorry Alex, but you went from "knowing full well it was Forsberg" to responding that people recognize and remember Forsberg more than Nilsson. There were a lot of great Euro players back then who didn't get nearly the publicity that current Europeans do. Early players like Salming were recognized, but it wasn't until Fedorov, Bure and the like started to defect. The draft position of good Europeans started to increase dramatically shortly thereafter.
Sorry all - off topic.
As stated - some of us have been watching hockey for a long time. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/15/2008 : 17:49:40
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According to TSN, the innovator of that deke is Lemieux. Not to revive old topics, but I just wanted to mention this because it was featured in the NHL top 10
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/15/2008 : 20:01:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I personally think sniper over dangler in shootouts. Shanahan is very, very good. Very. And Kovalchuk is starting to emulate him. They are very good parts of the shootout
Habs get number 25 this year
I've watched and played fairly competitive hockey for about 20 years now, and I have one question.....What the sweet jesus is a "dangler"? Is he the old perv trying to lure kids into his van by dangling candy in front of them?
Also, if it can't be denied that the move is most commonly called the Forsberg why oh why did you call it the Jokinin? You my young friend are the Anti-Bobby Clarke. He picks a side and stands by it right or wrong with unwaivering conviction. You however flip flop more then Hasek. Put a little more thought into what you're saying as opposed to writing the first thing that pops into your head to increase your post count and then changing your position the second someone writes a contradicting statement.....sorry to go off on a rant there big guy, just trying to help you give your 473 posts a day a little more substance....
Back on topic, I have to disagree with the people saying that the guys shooting and picking corners are more effective shoot out performers. Goalies are to good at covering the angles and their gear is just to big. From what I've been seeing in the shoot outs is the guys going in with a good deke and a decent back hand are scoring more often then the guys picking the corners. There's obviously certain players that are more effective then the average player at one or the other. Over all I think there's a higher percentage of goals scored on dekes then straight up shooting. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/16/2008 : 14:09:31
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Yet again, someone feels I am a stupid 13 year old.
Yet again, I realize I am. 
But, let me explain. This is the logic of an adolescent brain. SINCE today Jokenin is the one who the move is most commonly used by and reffered back to as, I chose to call it the Jokenin. However, if we are going to debate the originator, then I would say that all time it is called the Forsberg, with its origin to me unknown, though TSN seems to point to Lemieux.
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leigh
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Posted - 01/16/2008 : 14:20:15
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I know I saw Lemieux do that move loooooong before Forsberg.
I would like to put Datsyuk out there as one of the best to have in the shootout arsenal. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/16/2008 : 14:55:18
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Oh no question
The thing is Datsyuk has a whole repitoire. He can pull off any move, based on what the goalie does. I am convinced that half way in he can read the goalies eyes and decide. It takes a player with his skill, and more importantly, his knowledge of the game, to be able to do that.
I think if he wanted, he could mroe times than not snipe it wherever he wants. But for insurance, he could go VOKOUN style on a goalie and know that he has a whole net to shoot at. Wow.
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/16/2008 : 17:27:09
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defintely jussi jokinen
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 12:37:44
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cuz i like his moove the one forsberg did at the olympics and evryone else isnt that great
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 12:38:22
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except for datsyuk and hemsky
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Alex
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 14:20:03
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Exactly
So while you do give credit to Forsberg for the deke, you still mentioned Jokinen is the best player in shootout? I would hazard a guess that this is because he is active whereas Pete is not.
Which I think explains why I also mention Jussi even in spite of the fact that many pattented the move before him
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 17:01:59
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whatever but i think jussi in my opinion is the best right now
considering no1 else except for zetterberg does that move
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 18:03:06
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yeah danny briere hasnt done that well in the shootouts
i hav to admit last year he did have a nice goal against the canes, shooting on cam ward but other than that hes not that great
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Posted - 10/25/2008 : 20:36:21
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| What the hell no Ales Kotalik |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/26/2008 : 05:09:41
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Pretty sure I saw Pat Lafontaine pull off the "Jokinen" or "Forsberg" or "Lemiuex" whatever you want to call it way back when he was with the Islanders during a penalty shot. I am trying to find video but am having no succes so I could be wrong but I remember it being a huge highlight in the day.
Anyways best shootout player is Sam Gagner in edmonton, the kid has the puck on string, doesn't have the same success rate as Jokinen but he does different moves all the time and is exciting to watch.
Also look at Steven Stamkos's move on you tube during the OHL young stars . Amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDchLQIQa4
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Posted - 10/26/2008 : 15:32:32
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| sam gagner no questions asked such dirty hands he fakes the goalie out 3 mores before he actually shoots |
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