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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 01/13/2008 : 07:57:25
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Originally posted by Beans15
IHC, I dig the stiring of the pot, but let's make sure you got the facts dead on. Heatley was charges with 2nd degree vehicular homicide, driving too fast for the conditions, failure to maintain a lane, and speeding. He was not charged or was there indication that he was intoxicated at the time of the accident. Although he admits to having some drinks, nothing(blood alcohol levels) indicated him being impaired. Rest assured, if he was drunk he would have went to jail. Just like Craig MacTavish in 1985.
Secondly, 2nd Degree Vehicular homicide is defined in Georgia as all vehicular homicides without intent to kill that involve any other violations of the laws governing the operation of motor vehicles. The highest possible punishment was 1 year in prison, $1,000 in fines or both. But, the judge reserves the right to suspend the sentance or administer probation.
Thirdly, if an 18 year old kid is driving too fast and kills his buddy in an accident, and the family asks the judge not to send the kid to jail, the judge would more than likely not. It's not like Heatley was a habitual offender with tons of tickets and citations for speeding or reckless driving or whatever.
And finally, I think the Judge was right in his sentence. The original charges of 1st degree vehicular homicide(a felony and has a 3-15 year sentence) and reckless driving were dropped when Heatley agreed to do 150 speeches on the dangers of speeding.
That is the big difference. Think of it as you will, but the difference between you and Dany Heatley is that people want to hear Dany Heatley talk. Him talking 150 times about his situation is more valuable to society that him spending time in jail.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
hey beans on a personaly note, mind me asking what is your profession,, can i take a stab at lawyer or maybe somewhere in law enforcement somewhere?? haha great break down!
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 08:04:51
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Originally posted by hockster
I know if that was my kid i wouldnt have as much class as the Snyder family.
It would be tough to forgive someone for killing my own son.
Would any of you be able to forgive heatley?
i would have asked the judge if heatly could not go to jail but i get 10 minutes alone with him in a dark alley haha
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 12:06:56
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On the topic of Heatley hes out 4-6 weeks with a seperated shoulder.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 13:43:05
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Originally posted by pensfan17
On the topic of Heatley hes out 4-6 weeks with a seperated shoulder.
HAHA
How is someone having a separated shoulder a laughing matter?
Anyways,
This may hurt the sens slightly, but defiatley hurts my pool. :/
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 17:03:12
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Guys, stay on topic. Heatley's separated shoulder now has nothing to do with his legal issues from a few years ago.
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 17:15:10
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Originally posted by Alex
No listen.
Heatley being a celebrity did not incline the judge towards him. Heatley having money to buy a good lawyer did.
It wasn't his profession and his status, it was his money. Had he been some unheard of millionaire I feel he would have got the same results
Habs get number 25 this year
Alex, you need to read and research a little more before you post this garbage. If you read any of the articles online regarding the sentencing, you will clearly note that the deal hinged on the 150 speeches he agreed to do as part of his probations. That was possible specifically on his celebrity, not his money.
Do you know who T Denny Stanford is?? I would venture to say that most people don't. However, he is a man who made an enormous fortune in credit cards and subprime lending. The man is worth over $2.5 billion dollars and is #117 on the list of the wealthiest Americans.
I would absolutely bet my life that if he was charged with vehicular homicide, his sentence would not include doing speeches on the dangers of speeding. I'm not saying he wouldn't get special treatment, but the public speeking thing would not be part of it. I would think large sums of money would be involved. No one wants to hear a 70 yr old man from South Dakota talk about speeding. However, a 20 year old Hockey Player, people will listen to that!
Ever wonder why no one has talked about or printed anything on the fines Heatley had to pay?? Nope. Because they were minimal. His payment to society is his work in the community. That's something based on money isn't it.
Please, in the future Alex, read all posts clearly before you start talking, because I have made this point already. And do a little more research outside of this site too.
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 17:24:46
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OK Beans, there is obviously no question that Heatley's particular sentence was due to his celebrity.
But his lawyer would have found another route had that not been an option. Do you think at that age Heatley wouldn't pay no to throw his life away?
Obviously it helps that the Snyder's did not press charges, and that this was pursued by the state of Georgia. Now this is regardless of status -- they were friends so that's why the Snyder's didn't pursue.
So in conclusion, obviously the sentence he specifically got was based in part on his celebrity. But I feel had it been non pheasable to take that route, another lenient one would have been found
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leigh
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 20:50:39
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
Ted Kennedy killed someone in his car while intoxicated. The sad truth is if you're powerful or famous enough you can get away with stuff like that.
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Datsyuk 1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2008 : 23:47:42
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 00:02:40
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The guy in this story is neither drunk nor rich, he has numerous convictions for varous infractions and walked away $700 poorer and one friend less. I really don't want to get back into this conversation but I think this puts things into perspective to those who think Heatley got special treatment.
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1036561.html
Drunk with no licence fined $700 in crash that killed friend
By BEVERLEY WARE South Shore Bureau
Thu. Feb 7 - 5:09 AM
BRIDGEWATER — Jonathan Savory and David MacDonald dropped by the liquor store in Mahone Bay one morning last spring and, after about three drinks, Mr. Savory got behind the wheel, his friend beside him.
By lunchtime, Mr. MacDonald was dead and Mr. Savory was in hospital.
The $700 fine a judge handed the Blockhouse man Wednesday for drunk driving is "appalling," said Susan MacAskill, Atlantic region manager for Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
"Somebody’s dead and nobody seems to be held responsible. That’s a serious concern for MADD Canada."
Mr. Savory pleaded guilty Wednesday to three charges stemming from the accident.
He was initially charged with impaired driving causing death, impaired driving, taking his common-law wife’s Nissan Pathfinder without her consent and driving while his licence was revoked.
The charge of impaired driving causing death was dropped in Bridgewater provincial court Wednesday morning in exchange for the guilty pleas on the other three charges.
Judge Anne Crawford was also told that Mr. MacDonald was drunk and upset and contributed to the accident.
Although a man was killed, prosecutor Lloyd Tancock said that was not a factor in Mr. Savory’s sentencing.
"He is being sentenced on a straight impaired driving charge," Mr. Tancock said.
He told the court Mr. Savory was quite impaired, should not have been behind the wheel and had been warned many times not to take the vehicle.
Judge Crawford fined the 29-year-old $700 for impaired driving, $300 for taking his wife’s vehicle without her permission and $500 for driving while suspended.
She said the drunk driving fine would normally be much higher because Mr. Savory has been convicted twice in recent years of driving while his licence was revoked. But she had to take into account the total amount of the fines she was imposing, she said.
Mr. Tancock told the court Mr. MacDonald had also been drinking the day he died.
Mr. Savory and another passenger said Mr. MacDonald was "very drunk and aggravated," pressing down on Mr. Savory’s right leg as they sped down the road, headed to Middle Cornwall. The SUV went off the road, then veered back onto the road, but Mr. Savory overcorrected and the vehicle left the road again, crashing into bushes and trees.
"The deceased had something to do with the accident as well," Judge Crawford told Mr. Savory, but she said the accident might have been avoided if he hadn’t been drinking before he got behind the wheel.
Mr. Tancock said police were called to the single-vehicle accident on Cornwall Road in Middle Cornwall at 12:40 p.m. on May 10. Mr. MacDonald was dead when they got there, and Mr. Savory was taken to South Shore Regional Hospital for treatment. An RCMP officer described Mr. Savory’s eyes as red and bloodshot and said there were Styrofoam cups and an empty bottle of vodka in the Pathfinder.
A blood test showed Mr. Savory had a blood-alcohol level of between .14 and .16. The legal limit is .08.
Mr. Tancock said Mr. Savory’s wife had told him a number of times not to take her vehicle and that the man’s licence had been suspended in 2001 for driving without insurance. He had also already been convicted in 2002 and 2006 of driving without a licence.
Defence lawyer Tom Feindel also told the court Mr. MacDonald was "quite intoxicated" and "extremely aggressive toward Mr. Savory," pushing down on his leg and pulling on the steering wheel.
Ms. MacAskill said that shouldn’t matter.
A blood test showed Mr. Savory was impaired, and the Criminal Code says the driver is responsible for having care and control of the vehicle, she said.
"When the driver is distracted, it’s up to us to pull over and eliminate the distraction. For the court to say (Mr. MacDonald) was partly responsible for his own death is wrong. The driver is responsible for the care and control of the motor vehicle.
"They’ve totally eliminated that a passenger died in this," she said. "So what’s the message that goes out to the people of the Bridgewater area, or to anyone, from the decision in this courtroom today?"
Four people die and 187 are injured every day in Canada because of impaired driving, making it the No. 1 criminal cause of death in the country, Ms. MacAskill said.
"These are not accidents. They are 100 per cent preventable."
Twenty-five of 79 fatal crashes in Nova Scotia last year involved alcohol. It was the deadliest year on the province’s roads since 1996.
Ms. MacAskill’s father, Donald King, was killed by an impaired driver in Glenholme in 1993. The driver was charged with impaired driving causing death and impaired driving causing bodily harm to Ms. MacAskill’s stepmother.
The driver pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing death and dangerous driving causing bodily harm and was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in jail. He was released after seven months.
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 13:28:37
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Unbelievable. Literally.
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 17:01:57
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Ted Kennedy killed someone in his car while intoxicated. The sad truth is if you're powerful or famous enough you can get away with stuff like that.
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Whether in hockey or politics, the Senators have always annoyed me
Your signature is especially poignant considering your post, but for the sake of clarification, the youngsters should know that you are referring to Ted Kennedy, the politician, and not the former Leaf.
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 19:18:05
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| i am glad it has been pointed out and emphasized that heatley was not intoxicated - this was never a factor in this case and never should have been - and I am glad that we have all pointed out that the original post was completely wrong in saying that he was. |
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Dan Heatley go directly to jail don't collect $200 
