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Guest4504
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 Posted - 01/30/2008 : 22:14:53
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I was watching the game (Pens vs Atl) and I saw that hit it was pretty dirty in my opinion.
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Edited by - willus3 on 01/31/2008 06:09:04
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 07:29:47
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| I only seen the hit once so far but my first impression was that it was coincidental and was surpised at the goings on after it. I should see it a few more times today. I know sometimes when your reputation proceeds you that things like this are viewed with a more jaundiced eye. |
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mapleridgemike
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 08:08:31
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| Not really, Foofoo was just bracing himself for a hit and Kovie moved to his left a bit too quick. |
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PENSFAN8771
Rookie
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 10:01:10
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| Not really at all. At first I thought it was because it appeared after the whistle. But in fact i wasn't on the replay. If Kovalchuk just takes the hit, he wouldn't have been injured. Ruutu's job out there is to wear down the stars on his opponents team and so he would be remiss not to hit Kovalchuk there. I'm not saying he should have kneed him, but if you watch his leg on the replay, it is never adjusted in terms of trajectory to go for Kovalchuk's knee. It's an unfortunate injury for Atlanta, but it's part of the game. If Kovalchuk stands still, everyone would see that as a good, clean hit and Ruutu's knee would have went to the same place, the difference is that Kovalchuk's knee wouldn't have been there. The refs did make the right call though because you can't review for penalties. For the sake of keeping the game under control, they had to be harsh with the call. |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 10:23:46
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| Ya, I never saw anything dirty there. Although I strongly dislike Ruutu, he was finishing his check and happened to clip Kovie. Nothing wrong there. |
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 10:30:33
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That was terrible reffing on the play. First of all it was not a dirty hit and shouldnt of been 5 minutes for kneeing and a game. Secondly Mcarthy comes in and pounds on Ruutu, Ruutu doesnt fight back and they both get 5 minutes for fighting. At least Mcarthy got the instigator but Ruutu did nothing wrong.
If it were called correctly then Pittsburgh would have a lengthy powerplay and could of turned the game around. Instead it was 2 minutes of four on four and then a 3 minute ATLANTA powerplay. It looked like Pittsburgh had no momentum after that. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 13:17:08
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Ruutu had attempted to legally, and cleanly check Kovalchuk. Which, is no surprise and there is nothing wrong with it. Kov is a big part of Atlanta, so given the chance Ruutu is going to smoke him.
Kov seen this about to happen and tryed dodging it last second, causing a knee on knee. Ruutu never even changed direction, it was the fact kov never got his leg out of the way, just the rest of his body.
Ruutu's reputation proceeds him at times, because he can be a bit of an "a*shole." But, this is Kov's fault in my opinion.
Yes, the whistle did go but it had just gone. He was already in motion, there was no stopping.
I don't even feel he deserved a penalty. Let a lone a game misconduct. I sure hope there is no suspension. I feel bad for Kov, but at the same time Ruutu does not deserve anything else. Even the misconduct was pushing it.
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 17:26:53
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| I saw the hit a few times (both in slo mo and real time) and I have to say that it looked clean to me. There was no extension or reaching. It looked like a fluke injury to me, Kovalchuk backed away as Ruutu was coming in. If it wasn't Kovalchuk, Ruutu probably wouldn't have even gotten a penalty. Obviously the refs have the mandate from the league to protect their stars....the "product". |
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Antroman
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 19:40:22
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| Ok, I have seen the hit at least a dozen times now and I have to stick with my first original impression that it was just an unfortunate hockey play. Ruutu was going to hit him and Kovalchuk moved to avoid the hit and ran into Ruutu's knee with his knee. Ruutu made no movement with his knee toward Kovolchuk or did he change direction. I think the refs over reacted as well because of the two players who were involved. That's my opinion anyway. We will see how Bettman's army sees the play. I am interested in that for sure. |
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Pasty7
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Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 20:08:48
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Originally posted by Antroman
Ok, I have seen the hit at least a dozen times now and I have to stick with my first original impression that it was just an unfortunate hockey play. Ruutu was going to hit him and Kovalchuk moved to avoid the hit and ran into Ruutu's knee with his knee. Ruutu made no movement with his knee toward Kovolchuk or did he change direction. I think the refs over reacted as well because of the two players who were involved. That's my opinion anyway. We will see how Bettman's army sees the play. I am interested in that for sure.
dont forget though we all have a tendency to over react A. when a player B. when ruutu hits someone C. when a superstar goes down all of these happend the refs overeacted deffinetly but in a way they didn;t have the privilage of replays when it was time to make the call,,, so they took the three things A.B.C above and decided to take action
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 21:45:38
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| After watching this hit to me it's just one of those unlucky plays.Kovalchuk saw Ruttu coming to hit him and he moved away and Ruttu didn't stop and while Kovalchuk was moving his one leg was back and they hit knee to knee. Just an unfortunate play. Luckily he is only out for only 2 games. |
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PENSFAN8771
Rookie
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 23:11:00
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Originally posted by Alex
When we mention plays on this forum, as a rule of thumb, could I request that an effort is made to hyperlink the play in question? I would appreciate it 
HINT HINT anyone who has the link
Habs get number 25 this year
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hny6QLP2XKk
But I think the rule should be people should do a short cursory youtube search before asking for it. |
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Kyrens gpa
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 08:05:49
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| Sheesh, it is a good thing that Sid The Kid tripped over his own growing feet when he hurt himself,imagine the "lynching" the player gets who would dare hurt Mr. Nhl.......This is similiar tho and not so unlike what Avs Moore did to Van Naslund. I will actually wait for the next Todd Buttinsky,when do they play against each other again? It was a finished check and like previous have mentioned Mr. Atlanta would not have hurt himself if he would have just taken the check. For the refs to call what they did, is ridiculous and purely primadonna driven, and I wonder if they even saw the hit? The announcers for Tsn decidely are on board with the nhl and think that this ruins Atlanta's chance for a cup. If Ruutu who I do not like (politely) would have hit any and I mean anyone else it would have not even been noticed. Another notch on the handle for Bettman"s cleaning up the league........ |
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Thrasher17
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 10:27:39
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In my opinion it seemed like a bit of both. Yes Kovalchuk moved to the side a bit but if you watch it in slow mo, he probably would have still gotten the hit to his knee. It probably would have been in the front rather then the side of the knee though.
If you watch Ruutu though he clearly leads into the hit with his knee once he sees kovy get out of the way. His right skate comes off the ice while he pushes off with his left skate.
Its obviously not the dirtiest hit ever but i wouldn't say it was a clean hit. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 10:51:14
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Originally posted by Thrasher17
In my opinion it seemed like a bit of both. Yes Kovalchuk moved to the side a bit but if you watch it in slow mo, he probably would have still gotten the hit to his knee. It probably would have been in the front rather then the side of the knee though.
If you watch Ruutu though he clearly leads into the hit with his knee once he sees kovy get out of the way. His right skate comes off the ice while he pushes off with his left skate.
Its obviously not the dirtiest hit ever but i wouldn't say it was a clean hit.
i can agree with that,, btw props as an atlanta fan or seeing this objectivly
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 12:45:45
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Thank you for the link I will do a quick search next time..
And for sure the hit was dirty. Ruutu anticpated that play, could easily have intercepted that pass and instead focused on getting as the comentator said a ''freebie'' on Kovalchuk.
He had enough time to pick that puck off but at that point in time Jarko was not thinking hockey he was head hunting. Unfortunate and probably very frustrating for Ilya.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 16:59:55
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Dirty?
Wow!
What link did this person give you? You must be watching a different play than everyone else. :D - lol.
A free hit is a free hit. Welcome to the NHL :) Taking a free hit - nothing wrong with that. Providing of course, it is a CLEAN hit. Which it was. Kovulchuk just moved the wrong way at the wrong time.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/01/2008 : 19:06:08
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My turn to chime in.
Dirty?? Not at all.
Here's another perfect example of a player trying to get out of the way of a hit and geting hurt far worse than if he just took the hit. If Kovalchuk doesn't move, he gets a solid hit and maybe his bell rung a bit, but not a serious injury.
This is another great example of a player trying to avoid a hit and getting hurt worse. I seriously don't think that Ruutu could have done anything different.
Good hit, bad result. |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 03:06:29
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| Dirty as in clean? Kind of like how bad is good? Calling that hit dirty is the same as saying that a player who turtled on a hit and took a knee to the head was hit with a cheap shot. |
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Was that a cheap hit Ruutu did on Kovalchuk? 
