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Guest2303
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 Posted - 03/13/2008 : 04:22:44
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Poll Question:
which one is better
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Oil
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/26/2008 : 13:43:35
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| How can you even compare these two plays? Spezza is canadian and sets his team mates up. Kovalchuk is a scorer and happens to be russian, |
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/26/2008 : 15:28:07
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| What does nationality have to do with comparing players? |
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Timay
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/26/2008 : 17:50:12
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Canadians are better, everyone knows that. 
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 09:07:45
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two russians are in the lead for the scoring race and tha points race! just thought i'd point that out
the way i see it they're equally the same because,,, kovy is more of the side panels and finishing coat on a jaguar and spezza is whats under the hood,, you need both but both are completely different,,, spezza is the kind of player who completes others kovy is the kind of player whos already complete
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PhillyFan12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 04:37:23
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I think that Spezza has played really good this year and played outstandind so I think spezza the better hockey player.
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mytor4
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 04:54:53
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Really hard to compare these two players. They are total opposites of each other.One is a goal scorer while the other is an assist man.Two different type of skills but both in the top teir of those levels.I think the only way to compare these two is on the bases of what type of player would most fit your team's need.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 05:52:29
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One word for everybody: CONSISTENCY
Spezza is a consistent player where Kovalchuk isn't, end of story. Even if Spezza wasn't consistent, he's still a way better player than Kovalchuk.
Ellis or Mason?
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mytor4
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 10:25:27
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
One word for everybody: CONSISTENCY
Spezza is a consistent player where Kovalchuk isn't, end of story. Even if Spezza wasn't consistent, he's still a way better player than Kovalchuk.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
spezza consistent,Kovalchuk isn't. do you just go around just making things up and than putting them down. this quote is just making up statments without backing them up and hoping no one calls you out on it. in six season kovy has had 4 with 40 or more goals, 1st yr 29 2nd yr 38 the next 4yrs 41+ . if that isn't consistent i don't know what is.
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2008 : 10:32:07
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
One word for everybody: CONSISTENCY
Spezza is a consistent player where Kovalchuk isn't, end of story. Even if Spezza wasn't consistent, he's still a way better player than Kovalchuk.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
I actually do agree that Kovie is inconsistent sometimes. Spezza can be consistent at times but can also fade off.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 06:15:45
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quote:
Originally posted by mytor4
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
One word for everybody: CONSISTENCY
Spezza is a consistent player where Kovalchuk isn't, end of story. Even if Spezza wasn't consistent, he's still a way better player than Kovalchuk.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
spezza consistent,Kovalchuk isn't. do you just go around just making things up and than putting them down. this quote is just making up statments without backing them up and hoping no one calls you out on it. in six season kovy has had 4 with 40 or more goals, 1st yr 29 2nd yr 38 the next 4yrs 41+ . if that isn't consistent i don't know what is.
2nd I.D DManPreds11
Wow, I laughed when I read your last post. Are you kidding, Kovalchuk has no consistency at all. Remember at the beginning of the season, when Kovie was on pace for what, 75 goals? And remember three weeks later, when he still had the same goal total?
Kovalchuk is a great player, I'm not denying that but he only plays when he wants to. He has very little hart and I think if he tried harder, he could easily be one of the top ten players in league, where I think Spezza is now.
Also, one more thing I'd like to bring up, spezza can pass
Ellis or Mason?
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Guest5452
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 06:39:17
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
[Wow, I laughed when I read your last post. Are you kidding, Kovalchuk has no consistency at all. Remember at the beginning of the season, when Kovie was on pace for what, 75 goals? And remember three weeks later, when he still had the same goal total?
Kovalchuk is a great player, I'm not denying that but he only plays when he wants to. He has very little hart and I think if he tried harder, he could easily be one of the top ten players in league, where I think Spezza is now.
Kovalchuk is a top 10 player in the league.
So Henrik Zetterberg is also inconsitent based on your argument? He was projected to be a 160 point scorer at the same time Kovy was projected to be a 75 goal scorer. Using early projections to derive expectations are ridiculous way of pointing out a player is inconsistent. Try again to convince all of us that Kovy is inconsistent. |
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 07:41:33
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
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Originally posted by mytor4
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
One word for everybody: CONSISTENCY
Spezza is a consistent player where Kovalchuk isn't, end of story. Even if Spezza wasn't consistent, he's still a way better player than Kovalchuk.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
spezza consistent,Kovalchuk isn't. do you just go around just making things up and than putting them down. this quote is just making up statments without backing them up and hoping no one calls you out on it. in six season kovy has had 4 with 40 or more goals, 1st yr 29 2nd yr 38 the next 4yrs 41+ . if that isn't consistent i don't know what is.
2nd I.D DManPreds11
Wow, I laughed when I read your last post. Are you kidding, Kovalchuk has no consistency at all. Remember at the beginning of the season, when Kovie was on pace for what, 75 goals? And remember three weeks later, when he still had the same goal total?
Kovalchuk is a great player, I'm not denying that but he only plays when he wants to. He has very little hart and I think if he tried harder, he could easily be one of the top ten players in league, where I think Spezza is now.
Also, one more thing I'd like to bring up, spezza can pass
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
Well first lets pretend what your saying is true.
You bring up
the beginning of the season when when Kovie was on pace for what, 75 goals but never mention that Spezza at that time was on a 117 pt clip. Kovie slips to 50 goals while Spezza slips to 89 pts but only Kovie is being inconsistent not Spezza. Well with one eye open i can easily see that both are being inconsistent under those early season expections.
Now about my first line where i say lets pretend.I said lets pretent because what you said was just something you made up and I'm calling you out on this statment
Why do you lie and make up stuff about a player that isn't true.
The statment you made. Your satament below.
[-----Remember at the beginning of the season, when Kovie was on pace for what, 75 goals? And remember three weeks later, when he still had the same goal total?----] is totally false. While he was on pace for around in the 70's please try to show me where he three weeks later had the same amount of goals. You can't .Thats just B.S you made up. As a matter of fact the longest stretch the Kovie went without scoring a goal happened at the end ofJjan. A 5 game stretch . Thats a far cry from your fabracated 3 weeks now isn't it.If your going to state things please stick to the facts and the truth because we don't need people making stuff up to try to benefit and improve there opinion.
PS-- To the Admin and Mods. I hope this isn't what you call attacking another person on this board. If it is i will appojize. I look at it as calling out a fellow person who is providing false statments to benefit his position. All i ask is when stating facts, keep them true.If a person is just going to make up stuff then i hope we have a right to call that person out without getting in trouble.
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nashvillepreds
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 08:02:45
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Wow, this is sad. Exageration is a word I'd like to point out to you. If Spezza wasn't INJURED, would be on pace for about 100 points this season, which isn't too bad. Kovalchuk does not have this same problem.
Oh, and by the way, I find what you said, about me being a liar extremely offensive. That's B.S. and you know it.
P.S. Kovalchuk, over that three week stratch which I was refering to, had 2 goals.
Ellis or Mason?
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mytor4
Rookie
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 08:28:45
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quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Wow, this is sad. Exageration is a word I'd like to point out to you. If Spezza wasn't INJURED, would be on pace for about 100 points this season, which isn't too bad. Kovalchuk does not have this same problem.
Oh, and by the way, I find what you said, about me being a liar extremely offensive. That's B.S. and you know it.
P.S. Kovalchuk, over that three week stratch which I was refering to, had 2 goals.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
ok where do i call you a liar i just say it's b.s. and again your making stuff up even now. you now claim a three week stretch with 2 goals. from 0 to 2 and still b.s. here's his stats now show me if your not b.s. or not . show it to every one here.
Mar 28 @ CAR L 1-7 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Mar 27 @ FLA W 3-2 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Mar 21 WAS L 3-5 0 0 0 -3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000
Mar 19 CAR L 3-5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Mar 18 @ PHI L 2-3 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Mar 16 @ FLA L 1-3 1 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .500
Mar 14 @ WAS L 1-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Mar 13 CGY W 6-4 3 1 4 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 5 .600
Mar 11 COL L 2-5 0 0 0 -2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Mar 8 @ FLA OTL 2-3 1 0 1 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Mar 7 MIN W 3-2 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 7 .143
Mar 5 CAR L 3-6 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .500
Mar 2 @ PIT OTL 2-3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Mar 1 @ BOS OTL 2-3 1 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Date Opponent Result G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA SHG SHA GW GT SOG Pct
Feb 28 NYI OTL 4-5 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Feb 26 @ MON L 1-5 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Feb 23 @ TOR L 1-3 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Feb 21 @ CAR L 3-5 0 2 2 -1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Feb 16 @ NYI L 1-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Feb 15 @ NJD W 4-3 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Feb 13 WAS W 3-2 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000
Feb 9 TAM W 2-1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Feb 7 VAN L 1-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000
Feb 5 PHI L 2-3 1 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Date Opponent Result G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA SHG SHA GW GT SOG Pct
Jan 30 PIT W 4-1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1.000
Jan 22 @ NYR L 0-4 0 0 0 -2 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Jan 20 EDM L 2-4 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jan 18 @ BUF L 1-10 0 0 0 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 .000
Jan 17 MON OTL 2-3 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Jan 15 @ DET W 5-1 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Jan 12 PIT W 3-2 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 6 .167
Jan 10 FLA OTL 2-3 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Jan 8 PHI L 1-4 1 0 1 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Jan 6 BUF W 5-2 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 .143
Jan 4 CAR L 3-4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Jan 2 @ CAR W 5-4 1 3 4 0 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1.000
Date Opponent Result G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA SHG SHA GW GT SOG Pct
Dec 31 @ BOS L 2-5 0 1 1 -1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Dec 29 BOS W 5-0 1 1 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Dec 27 FLA L 3-5 2 1 3 -2 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 4 .500
Dec 26 @ COB L 0-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Dec 23 @ STL W 3-2 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Dec 22 MON W 3-2 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000
Dec 20 OTT W 3-2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Dec 18 TAM W 6-2 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Dec 15 @ OTT L 3-7 2 0 2 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 6 .333
Dec 14 TOR L 0-4 0 0 0 -3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000
Dec 12 BOS L 3-5 1 0 1 -1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Dec 8 @ WAS L 3-6 0 2 2 -2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Dec 7 NYR W 4-2 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Dec 5 NYI W 4-3 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Dec 2 @ NJD OTL 2-3 1 0 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Dec 1 @ NYI W 4-0 1 1 2 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 6 .167
Date Opponent Result G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA SHG SHA GW GT SOG Pct
Nov 29 TOR L 2-4 1 0 1 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1.000
Nov 24 @ PIT L 0-5 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Nov 23 NJD L 0 - 3 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Nov 21 @ WAS W 5-1 2 2 4 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .500
Nov 19 TAM W 4-3 1 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Nov 16 @ CAR W 3-0 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Nov 13 FLA W 3-2 1 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 6 .167
Nov 10 CAR L 3-5 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .000
Nov 9 @ FLA W 4-1 1 1 2 -1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 .500
Nov 6 WAS W 2-1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .333
Nov 3 @ TAM W 6-4 3 1 4 3 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 4 .750
Nov 1 @ OTT L 4-6 3 0 3 -1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 5 .600
Date Opponent Result G A Pts +/- PIM PPG PPA SHG SHA GW GT SOG Pct
Oct 30 @ MON W 3-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000
Oct 27 @ CHI W 3-2 1 2 3 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Oct 25 @ NAS L 0 -3 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Oct 23 @ TOR W 5-4 1 2 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .167
Oct 20 @ TAM L 2-6 1 0 1 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 .200
Oct 18 NYR W 5-3 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Oct 16 @ PHI L 0-4 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Oct 13 NJD L 5-6 2 0 2 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 .667
Oct 11 @ BUF L 0-6 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Oct 10 OTT L 1-3 1 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 .250
Oct 6 @ TAM L 2-5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Oct 5 WAS L 1-3 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000
Total 50 34 84 -15 50 16 14 2 0 3 0 274 .182
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Guest8097
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 08:56:16
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Originally posted by Oil
How can you even compare these two plays? Spezza is canadian and sets his team mates up. Kovalchuk is a scorer and happens to be russian,
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Thrasher17
Top Prospect
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 11:05:39
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Originally posted by nashvillepreds
Wow, this is sad. Exageration is a word I'd like to point out to you. If Spezza wasn't INJURED, would be on pace for about 100 points this season, which isn't too bad. Kovalchuk does not have this same problem.
Oh, and by the way, I find what you said, about me being a liar extremely offensive. That's B.S. and you know it.
P.S. Kovalchuk, over that three week stratch which I was refering to, had 2 goals.
Ellis or Mason?
Go Preds Go!
Actually Kovalchuk did have this problem. Remember that knee injury he got from the hit by Ruutu? He only missed one game but i'm pretty sure that 3 week period you speak of came right after that point. So even though he was playing i'm pretty confident that he wasn't 100%. If i remember correctly he was wearing a brace while he played.
PS. Kovalchuk is a pretty awsome passer as well. If he was passing to Heatley or Alfie instead of Todd White or some other crapster, i'm sure he'd be up there in assists too. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 14:44:18
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I'd love to join in on this argument, but... I find it fairly pointless. Even more pointless than this post. :)
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:13:26
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Feb 13 '08 WSH @ ATL 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 4 0.0 18 21:14 100.0
Feb 09 '08 TBL @ ATL 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 0.0 18 19:24
Feb 07 '08 VAN @ ATL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0.0 19 23:11
Feb 05 '08 PHI @ ATL 1 0 1 1 2 0 0 3 33.3 18 19:37
Jan 30 '08 PIT @ ATL * 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 100.0 12 11:47
Jan 22 '08 ATL @ NYR 0 0 0 -2 15 0 0 0 8 6:05
Jan 20 '08 EDM @ ATL 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 5 0.0 19 26:31
Jan 18 '08 ATL @ BUF 0 0 0 -4 0 0 0 7 0.0 15 19:13 100.0
Jan 17 '08 MTL @ ATL 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 2 0.0 22 23:01 100.0
Jan 15 '08 ATL @ DET 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 5 0.0 20 22:02
Good enough for you? Wow, I'm a huge liar.
Kovalchuk was injured on the 30th, AFTER he ended his goalless streak. Mytor if you don't Believe me, he's the log:
"The Thrashers lost star Ilya Kovalchuk to a knee injury while ending a five-game losing streak in Wednesday night's 4-1 victory over the Penguins. How badly hurt Atlanta's leading scorer was couldn't immediately be determined."
If you still don't belive me, here's the link:
http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Recap&gameNumber=765&season=20072008&gameType=2
Spezza, after he returned from injury, regained his scoring touch two games later, with a three point night. He went on to average 1.21 PPG after his injury. That is the truth mytor, instead of calling me out, do the math.
Ok, and also, what you said is B.S. Point me out one point in the season wchich Spezza was on pace for 117 points. After 10 games he was on pace for about 106, but I can't seem to find anything about 117. It might just be my mistake but I'd like to know where he was on pace for 117. Kovalchuk was on pace for about 72, that's the most I can find. My mistake, I admit it and I'm sorry.
Ellis or Mason?
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mytor4
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 16:22:21
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You ask.
Ok, and also, what you said is B.S. Point me out one point in the season wchich Spezza was on pace for 117 points. After 10 games he was on pace for about 106, but I can't seem to find anything about 117. It might just be my mistake but I'd like to know where he was on pace for 117. Kovalchuk was on pace for about 72, that's the most I can find. My mistake, I admit it and I'm sorry.
My answer to that is from the start of the season to Dec 27 Spezza had 48 pts in those 31 games which at that pace he would have ended the season with 126 pts, So it was a bigger pace than the 117 which helps prove my point more.He wasn't consistant enough to do it.
I would say we both got some of our facts off a little bit. I'm also sorry for jumping all over you.Lets just say you like Spezza more than Kovalchuk in this poll. Thats fair to me. Me i'm undecided on this one.All i was trying to prove is Kovalchuk has been just as consistant as spezza has been this yr and the stats point that way. Sure kovalchuk may have went some games where he got no goals and a few games where he got multiply goals. Consistancy is not based on a few bad games in a row ,It's based on what a player did all yr or on a bigger scale all his carreer. later
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 17:51:57
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Mytor, I think you're all wrong here. Spezza is was beter than Kovalchuk, and way more consistent. Kovalchuk doesn't pass and he has not heart.
Nashvillepreds: Both Kovalchuk and Spezza are inconsistent this year, but Spezza seems to be around the same point total every year (higher than Kovalchuk) While Kovalchuk's points seem to differ every year.
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Posted - 04/11/2008 : 12:44:28
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| Kovalchuk,faster,quicker,stronger! |
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brentrock2
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 12:32:39
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| Well Kovalchuk Really Don't pass a lot he just is a good goal scorer and a fast skater. |
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Posted - 04/15/2008 : 11:11:23
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| WoW spezza and kovalchuck are pretty much the same but you have to look at it this way which no one has pointed out spezza is playing with daneil alfreddson abd the heater and kovalchuck is playing with todd white now earleir in the year he was playing with hossa when he was scoring all his goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Guest2243
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Posted - 04/16/2008 : 14:31:47
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Kovalchuk and spezza have are one of the top players that i like
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Posted - 04/16/2008 : 14:49:11
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Spezza +26
Kovalchuk -10
They are different players... I'd say that Jason brings a more all around game to the table and helps make his team better more than Kovalchuk does, who is by far the better goal scorer... Kovalchuk is just too 1-dimensional if you ask me (not that there arent a ton of teams that would want that dimension!) |
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