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Guest2796
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 Posted - 11/24/2008 : 16:15:34
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Wow, either Cliff Fletcher is getting old and senile or their trying to clear some cap space to perhaps possibly give Sundin the money he wants. Stempniak for Steen I could have lived with (even then I find Steen to be a better player than Stempniak overall), but throwing Colaiacovo in is just ridiculous. Yes maybe he is injury prone and has lived up to his potential but he still has some value to the team. I'm really hoping Toronto has another plan by doing this.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 17:04:05
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Cliff traded equal amounts of salary. I think the leafs gain like $200 000 in cap space. I think it was a good move. He managed to remove 2 more players from the roster who were around during the JFJ era and really haven't been anywhere close to what was expected of them. Steen has 4 points this year. I know he was in a checking role, but still this team could afford to take a chance on someone else who has a better track record of producing.
Carlo is someone I was a fan of, when he was in the lineup. He must have really been in Wilson's doghouse for Fletch to throw him in as well. All in all, Stempniak should be able to bolster the top 2 lines and the powerplay. He's a right handed shot, which they needed. Good luck to Steen and Carlo. At least they didn't get traded to Florida.
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 18:29:55
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I don;t think that this trade is going to hurt the Leafs.
Steen is just not producing and has shown inconsistant play over the past year to two. Coliacovo I enjoyed watching but has shown that he is plagued by injuries. When healthy he can be an asset to the team, but unless you have a crystal ball nobody knows.
The leafs were heavy on the backend therefore allowing Coliacovo to go in the trade must have made the decision easier for Fletch.
If history is any indication these two players will likely evolve into good players much like the Leafs have had happen in the past with other players. It's a chance that clubs have to take and I hope Carlos and Alex do well with thier new team.
Appearantly Stempniak was in the doghouse with the Blues as he has not been producing like he did prior to signing his new contract with the Blues. I hope that we have not picked up another Blake. Stempniak has shown he can produce, lets hope that this is the player we get.
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Leafsfan_94
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Canada
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 18:44:41
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i agree with fanoleaf. yeah steen was good, but he just isnt producing the points he should be. coliacavo, was ok but gets injured way too much, to be honest the way he moves around out there, its like hes trying to hurt himself. and stempniak, does have 3 goals 10 assist so far which isnt that bad. 13 points, is pretty good hes tied for 6th on the team. ive never really seen this guy play, but im hoping he'll have a good career wearing blue and white.
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Guest0078
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:46:21
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| listen man if you want the same old s***ty leafs i would scratch sundin because he will bring them back down that road until he retires the leafs need to start out new. and i havn't seen much of this stepniak guy but if you think steen has talent, you need to watch hockey alittle bit more haha |
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Guest0078
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:47:34
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| plus the leafs are the wealthiest team right now you think money matters |
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fanoleaf
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:51:42
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| nobody said steen is full of talent |
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Guest0498
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:58:27
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| Steen not producing...it is kind of hard to prodcue when the coach and GM have already decided that you are not worthy of a fair chance even before training camp begins. |
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Guest0498
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:59:28
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plus the leafs are the wealthiest team right now you think money matters
Yes money does matter when there is a salary cap. |
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Guest8171
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Posted - 11/24/2008 : 20:22:30
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| It will be interesting to see how Steen and Colaiacovo play without the pressure that is naturally put on them being Leafs, because they basically went from the biggest fan base, to the smallest (Or one of). |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 11:02:52
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regardless if both steen and carlo turn into 100 point scores this still a good deal for the leafs,, why because they weren't producing in toronto and anyone who thinks they didn't have a faire shot is just a carlo or steen fan looking for an excuse as long as Lee produce even like he did last year which was a huge drop from his 27 goal season the year before he is still producing as much as at least steen he is young and he has potential this is about as best as you can do if you're a gm replace two guys who are not producing with one who has the potential to priduce ,,,, sure if Flecth had a crystal ball as someone said he would know down the line if this is a good deal the fact is every trade is a gamble and i wouldn;t blame fletch if this one doesn;t pay off it was a good trade but even good trades go bad....
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Guest2740
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 11:38:01
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| Yeah I suppose all in all its not hurting the leafs. And no where in my original post did i say Steen had talent. I just said i find him to be better than Stempniak. But Ron Wilson isnt giving Steen the ice time that he needs so its a win win situation for both Steen and Wilson. And somebody said Steen was inconsistent..well in three years he went 45, 35, 42..thats actually pretty consistent. While Stempniak's three years went 27,52,38..Not so much consistency there. Id expect Stempniak to produce in the 30's and 40's this year unless Wilson gives him a huge role. Have to see how it plays out. And I didnt say i wanted Sundin back, Toronto had stated before that if Sundin wanted to play in Toronto they wouldnt hesitate to sign him. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 16:02:29
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Originally posted by Guest2740
Yeah I suppose all in all its not hurting the leafs. And no where in my original post did i say Steen had talent. I just said i find him to be better than Stempniak. But Ron Wilson isnt giving Steen the ice time that he needs so its a win win situation for both Steen and Wilson. And somebody said Steen was inconsistent..well in three years he went 45, 35, 42..thats actually pretty consistent. While Stempniak's three years went 27,52,38..Not so much consistency there. Id expect Stempniak to produce in the 30's and 40's this year unless Wilson gives him a huge role. Have to see how it plays out. And I didnt say i wanted Sundin back, Toronto had stated before that if Sundin wanted to play in Toronto they wouldnt hesitate to sign him.
Stempnaik is on pace for 71 points this year
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Guest0682
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Posted - 11/25/2008 : 16:21:54
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how was this a bad deal? fletcher got rid of 2 players that were never going to play for him for someone half decent. Wanna see a bad trade? to Ottawa Filip Kuba, Alex Picard, first round draft pick. To Tampa Andreij Mezarous what was tampa thinking i woul'dve of traded mezarous for either one of those. Here's another to ottawa jason spezza and Zdeno Chara to nyi ALexie Yashin. compared to those trades stepniak was a great trade
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Guest0112
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 09:57:45
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i think it s was great trade but to bad he got to play the biggest pile known to man kind in the like s of the maple leafs ,maybe burkey will turn that meat head organization around ,it s been done befor but not likley in toronto , bring back potvin
go canucks
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Guest2728
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 14:48:45
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Originally posted by Guest0112
i think it s was great trade but to bad he got to play the biggest pile known to man kind in the like s of the maple leafs ,maybe burkey will turn that meat head organization around ,it s been done befor but not likley in toronto , bring back potvin
go canucks
Wow you know i would have agreed with everything u said but then u ended your statements with "go canucks" after putting down the leaf organization. Maybe they are the biggest pile known to man, maybe someone needs to turn their organization around. Your talkin about a team that has never won a Stanley Cup here. |
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pensfan17
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 15:02:42
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| Another reason for this trade was that Wilson wanted a right handed shot for their powerplay. I think Toronto wins this trade for sure, Stempniak is better than Steen and they do not need Coliacovo. Carlo's constant injuries will lead to him being an AHL defenceman. On the flip side Steen has some potential, and the Blues need defenceman. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 11/26/2008 : 17:12:11
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| The hockey experts are wondering what JD was thinking in St.Louis. I think the players are so far comparable. I will wait for them to get a few games in with their new teams before I make my call on this trade. Early thought is Leafs made out better. |
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goleafsgosjnb
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 16:05:41
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steen? colaiacovo??
they had their chance! this team needs to be gutted. fletch made a good deal hopefully burke makes similar ones for draft picks and youngsters. |
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DangleFest89
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 18:43:03
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| Well carlo is on fire in St Louis also Steen is looking good sure is looking like a 1one sided deal right now. |
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Guest2733
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Posted - 12/27/2008 : 18:51:50
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Originally posted by Guest2740
Yeah I suppose all in all its not hurting the leafs. And no where in my original post did i say Steen had talent. I just said i find him to be better than Stempniak. But Ron Wilson isnt giving Steen the ice time that he needs so its a win win situation for both Steen and Wilson. And somebody said Steen was inconsistent..well in three years he went 45, 35, 42..thats actually pretty consistent. While Stempniak's three years went 27,52,38..Not so much consistency there. Id expect Stempniak to produce in the 30's and 40's this year unless Wilson gives him a huge role. Have to see how it plays out. And I didnt say i wanted Sundin back, Toronto had stated before that if Sundin wanted to play in Toronto they wouldnt hesitate to sign him.
Stempnaik is on pace for 71 points this year
Pasty
Yes Stempniak was on pace for 71 points..and now after 15 games with Toronto he is on pace for 52 points my man. You got a little ahead of yourself, you give a player some time on Toronto and his pace drops. So like I said hes good for 30's, 40's..who knows he might stay steady and pull off a 50 point season..but did u actually think he was gonna give a run for 71 points? |
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Guest6562
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Posted - 12/27/2008 : 19:00:55
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Where are all the people who were defending this trade for the Leafs now?
I never had a problem with acquiring Stempniak but the Leafs did not get enough in return.
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/28/2008 : 16:42:30
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| I am very happy with the trade. Stempniak is a lot better hockey player than both Steen and Coliacovo put together. Coliacovo is way to clumsy his trips on his own two feet and gives himself concussions. I would have traded him for a bag of broken pucks. And Steen is a bum he hasn't had a good season since his rookie season and that was because of the help of Ron Francis. Stempniak at least has a future in the NHL. Welcome to the Leafs Stempniak, its was a great deal for Toronto. poor St. Louis stuck with Steen and Coliacovo. |
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Guest2794
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Posted - 12/28/2008 : 19:10:08
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I am very happy with the trade. Stempniak is a lot better hockey player than both Steen and Coliacovo put together. Coliacovo is way to clumsy his trips on his own two feet and gives himself concussions. I would have traded him for a bag of broken pucks. And Steen is a bum he hasn't had a good season since his rookie season and that was because of the help of Ron Francis. Stempniak at least has a future in the NHL. Welcome to the Leafs Stempniak, its was a great deal for Toronto. poor St. Louis stuck with Steen and Coliacovo.
Wow! you making stupid comments again!, Ron Francis' final season with Toronto was 2003-04 and Alex Steen's first season was in 2005-06, They never even played together! |
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DangleFest89
Rookie
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Posted - 12/28/2008 : 22:06:41
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| lol everyone should know by now leave Toronto when your young turn amazing then when older and less skilled go get big contract and end with them haha |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 11:32:18
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hahah yea real funny. This isnt 2004, if you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't) the leafs have more games played by rookies than any other team in the NHL. Which shows you that they are committed to getting younger and developing kids, there will be no 35 year old veterens joining this team any time soon. The past is in the past, so leave it there. Any deal that gets rid of the stench from the JFJ era is good in my books.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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DangleFest89
Rookie
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Posted - 12/29/2008 : 15:50:24
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hahah yea real funny. This isnt 2004, if you haven't noticed (which obviously you haven't) the leafs have more games played by rookies than any other team in the NHL. Which shows you that they are committed to getting younger and developing kids, there will be no 35 year old veterens joining this team any time soon. The past is in the past, so leave it there. Any deal that gets rid of the stench from the JFJ era is good in my books.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
you haven't seen burke yet in his prime lol goodluck with him |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 05:56:56
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yes i have, I've been alive while he's been Gm of Hartford, Vancouver and Anaheim....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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hanley6
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 12:06:04
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Originally posted by Guest2794
Wow! you making stupid comments again!, Ron Francis' final season with Toronto was 2003-04 and Alex Steen's first season was in 2005-06, They never even played together!
Stupid comments again??? what you talking about? whether you like it or not bro I speak facts. That was the first mistake I made on here. I accidentally got Steen mixed up with Stajan. Sorry Stajan.... but Steen still only had one decent year and that was his rookie season. I'm glad to see him gone welcome to Toronto Stempniak... |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 13:12:32
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Guest2794
Wow! you making stupid comments again!, Ron Francis' final season with Toronto was 2003-04 and Alex Steen's first season was in 2005-06, They never even played together!
Stupid comments again??? what you talking about? whether you like it or not bro I speak facts. That was the first mistake I made on here. I accidentally got Steen mixed up with Stajan. Sorry Stajan.... but Steen still only had one decent year and that was his rookie season. I'm glad to see him gone welcome to Toronto Stempniak...
Either way Ron Francis didn't help Matt Stajan out much either. Ron Francis only played 12 games as a maple leaf. Plus Ron Francis and Matt Stajan are both centers so they barely every played on a line togehter. And Ron Francis only assisted on one of Matt Stajan's goal during their 12 games on the same team, so I am pretty sure Ron Francis didn't help Matt Stajan that much either. I thought you only spoke facts...not quite sure where you get them from... |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 13:48:20
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Either way Ron Francis didn't help Matt Stajan out much either. Ron Francis only played 12 games as a maple leaf. Plus Ron Francis and Matt Stajan are both centers so they barely every played on a line togehter. And Ron Francis only assisted on one of Matt Stajan's goal during their 12 games on the same team, so I am pretty sure Ron Francis didn't help Matt Stajan that much either. I thought you only spoke facts...not quite sure where you get them from...
24 games if you include the playoffs. Matt Stajan played LW and when Ron Francis joined the Leafs he was there to help Stajan out, they played on the same shift together. Stajan even said Ron Francis tough him a lot. They looked good playing together.. I am speaking the facts. If you are a true Leafs fan you'd know that Stajan started as out as LW and then became a C and LW. and you had any memory of Ron Francis playing Toronto you'd remember he was brought to Toronto for Stajan |
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
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Posted - 12/30/2008 : 17:59:34
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| Still a small portion of Stajan's season, and it was the end of his season, so I wouldn't give too much credit to Ron Francis for Stajan's first season. His next few seasons with Francis' wisdom...maybe |
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Bad deal with Stempniak 
