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Matt_Roberts85
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 Posted - 03/23/2009 : 09:01:32
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Originally posted by Guest7161
.......Still laughing at this comedy........
Where is he now that his hands, legs, balls, and whatever else he couldn't find are back?
When the going gets tough - he runs the other way and let's good players like Burrows, and others go win the games...
Sundin shows up when the team's already winning and gets his points after the other team's given up.
What an embarassment for Vancouver mangement, and what a confirmation of how stupid Toronto management / media was for adoring this "average" player.
The guy is 38... jesus. You cannot deny that when Sundin was in his prime he was a badass hockey player. He almost had 80 points last year. How is that average? Or embarassing? So things may not have turned out quite the way the media or the canucks have expected, but at least the team is winning! Hes not the captain or the first line centre. I think he is doing fine, wait untill the playoffs than judge the signing. Thats why the got him anyways, for depth come playoff time.
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Guest0806
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Posted - 05/09/2009 : 07:12:44
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HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This guy is more than a comedy act... he's a farce!!!!
ZERO points, ZERO shots, ZERO EVERYTHING in the last 2 most imprtant games in Canucks year....!!!!
Where is he???
I know - he's playing hide and seek as he did his whole carreer in leaf-town...
HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Guest6008
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Posted - 05/09/2009 : 07:51:35
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Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors |
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Guest0806
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Posted - 05/09/2009 : 12:16:21
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Originally posted by Guest6008
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Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors
What the heck are you saying?
The comparison above which i believe you're trying to tear down - is clearly showing who much of an immediate impact each of the three players made in the first dozen or so games.
Key words to remember; "immediate" & "first" few games.
I think you're comparing carreers...??
Why do you think Sudin is not getting ice time, and playing on waeker lines?...
HE DOES NOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!!
HE CANNOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!
Never did.
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Guest4094
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:25:17
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Originally posted by Guest0806
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Originally posted by Guest6008
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Originally posted by Guest7752
Some stats to ponder, since some forum commentators cannot think clearly or compile an opinion unless they see numbers:
The Ray Bourque rental:
> 14 points in his 14 first games at Colorado
> did that at 40 years old!!!
> did that with 14 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
The Marian Hossa rental:
> 10 points in his first 12 games at Pittsburg
> did that with 12 games left in the season, and with the accumulated bumps and bruises along the way
> so far, 46 points in his first 46 games at Detroit
The Sundin Rental:
> 3 points in his first 7 games with Vancouver
> Vancouver has managed a 6 game losing streak since the saviour arrived
> 38 years old
> had almost half a season to prepare and stay sharp and ready
> came in fresh, no injuries, no bruises....
gee.... why does one trash talk Sundin?
I understand a lot of bitter leaf fans but post a valid point bourge played whole year not just 14 games as with hossa. And hossa is what 26 havent seen one valid point wait until playoffs or until he gets his legs and hds. I do think sudin is overated but supporters are making valid pts he was close to a point game with really bad players. But in same breath leafs finished with what two less points than last yr.He makes an average team with a great goaltender better.Van isnt as good as you think without luongo they are out of the playoffs they have limited offence also check out sundins ice time vs hossa. And shake your head bourque first line power play wtih blake forsberg sakic hejduk .Hossa first line power play with crosby malkin gonchar whitney. Now sundin second line no power play with burrows raymond or next call up from minors
What the heck are you saying?
The comparison above which i believe you're trying to tear down - is clearly showing who much of an immediate impact each of the three players made in the first dozen or so games.
Key words to remember; "immediate" & "first" few games.
I think you're comparing carreers...??
Why do you think Sudin is not getting ice time, and playing on waeker lines?...
HE DOES NOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!!
HE CANNOT DELIVER THE GOODS!!!!
Never did.
Always was over-rated by stupid Toronto media and fans.
thought it was simple bourque and hossa played 82 games not 14 simple enough plus preseason then playoffs plus quality of players they each played with i would get 5 points on apower play unit of hossa malkin gonchar read the post |
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Guest4094
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:39:11
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bourque power play time with sakic blake forsberg hejduk where he got his points. Actually i give up your right so go back to sticking a pin in your sundin voodoo doll u have to ignore his career numbers and for sure dont actually watch him play or listen to waht stupid media and ex teamate or opponents have to say about him or even what ex goalies say about him cause u know your right. Because patrick roy or broduer or hasek who have all complimented him dont know nothing or kypreos who played with messier and said mats is a great captain or naslund or forsberg or the 30 million swedes you knowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Oh yeah and how did hossa thrashers do and senators with him in the lineup oh yeah didnt make playoffs or out first rd by sundins leafs 4 str yrs dill they dumped him. And borque bruins he coulndt win with his team and jumped ship for avs. Stupid red wings also wanted him as with 10 other teams as with your penguins who sundin was their 1st choice not hossa but sundin wouldnt waive his no trade. |
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Guest8606
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 11:45:56
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There is no "I" in "Team", but there is an "I" in "Winner".
BTW - I've got a copyright on that. |
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 06:51:35
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Originally posted by Guest8606
There is no "I" in "Team", but there is an "I" in "Winner".
BTW - I've got a copyright on that.
What exactly are you getting at with that statement...?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 08:53:40
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Originally posted by Guest0806
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
This guy is more than a comedy act... he's a farce!!!!
ZERO points, ZERO shots, ZERO EVERYTHING in the last 2 most imprtant games in Canucks year....!!!!
Where is he???
I know - he's playing hide and seek as he did his whole carreer in leaf-town...
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Hold on..... i think we saw him in the canucks "last" game of the year... yep... he even scored!
Excellent contribution to the team, and well worth his millions too.
Performed as he always did on Toronto - no disappointment and nothing more or less than expected.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 09:08:43
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As soon as I read your comments in the tampa 2nd pick forum, i knew you probably jumped over here to pile on. And guess what, i was right.
No one put a gun to Gilles head... he didn't have to sign him.. the 'nucks had a pretty wicked record with him in the lineup anyways.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:33:42
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Get over it boys...
Sundin is easily one of the best ever. He carried the Leafs teams every year. To still put up 70-90 points on a team of 3rd liners, and still do deep into the playoffs, gotta tip your hats.
Also, a players value isn't just points, he is everything you look for in a leader, so get your head out of your a** and respect one of the few active, Point per game players with over 1000 games under his belt. He'll be in the HOF. #13 will be in the rafters. Canucks fans, how about you look at the dumba** penalties you took in your series with CHI and shotty D. Sundin was not the "only" reason you lost...
Sundin will always be a Leaf!...just thought I'd throw that in 
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:17:37
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
Get over it boys...
Sundin is easily one of the best ever. He carried the Leafs teams every year. To still put up 70-90 points on a team of 3rd liners, and still do deep into the playoffs, gotta tip your hats.
Also, a players value isn't just points, he is everything you look for in a leader, so get your head out of your a** and respect one of the few active, Point per game players with over 1000 games under his belt. He'll be in the HOF. #13 will be in the rafters. Canucks fans, how about you look at the dumba** penalties you took in your series with CHI and shotty D. Sundin was not the "only" reason you lost...
Sundin will always be a Leaf!...just thought I'd throw that in
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
We're over it, are you (Leafs) over it?
What else did he bring to Vancouver besides a Black Leaf Cloud and his over-rated skills... Leadership?!?!?!?!
Get serious man.
He is very much respected by all hockey people, however, he is NOT a leader nor an impact player that can bring a team to a higher level.
He was important to Leafs, but couldn't bring them to next level.
He thought he could - and everyone thought he could, so he went to Vancouver thinking he will bring them to the next level.
Finally, when it was time to delvier - reality set in, and he DID NOT DELIVER what everyone "thought" he was delivering.
By the way, Leaf Fans, Mr. Burke has the exact same qualities... watch and learn in the next year or so...
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:33:37
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Its not our fault your GM is an idiot.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 12:40:21
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
Its not our fault your GM is an idiot.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Excuse me sir... I'm not a Vancouver fan! |
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Guest7538
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 13:19:15
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| Mat Sundin! Without a question a GOOD hockey player. But that is as far as it goes. I'm sorry but he is not the "key" that would take any team on the brink of a Stanley Cup to the finals. And for that matter lets go one step further. The Canucks were not a contender to begin with. Sundin went to the team that could afford him at the time. Overpriced....yes. Did he produce? No. No matter how you look at it now.....Season over for the Canucks. |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 06:42:15
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Originally posted by Guest7538
Mat Sundin! Without a question a GOOD hockey player. But that is as far as it goes. I'm sorry but he is not the "key" that would take any team on the brink of a Stanley Cup to the finals. And for that matter lets go one step further. The Canucks were not a contender to begin with. Sundin went to the team that could afford him at the time. Overpriced....yes. Did he produce? No. No matter how you look at it now.....Season over for the Canucks.
Yes. Excellent summary.
That's why this whole thing is a comedy.
Millions of dollars on nothing. Stupid Management.
Over-rated player. Greedy player.
NEVER deserving of H.O.F. status.
Best of all: he said he wants to play for a Canadian team...?
Get out of here, leave your spot to a real Canadian. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 07:52:51
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Sorry 7752, you sounded like a jaded 'nucks fan.
Either way, why are you berating leaf fans because Vancouver signed Sundin?
Like i've said a hundred times, the guy is 38 and past his prime. Gilles should have known that Sundin was old, hadnt played in months and was coming itno a completley foreign environment.
I don't care what you say, Sundin was a great Leaf and provided many great memories for Leaf fans. I really don't care all that much how well he did in Vancouver. I would have liked to see him do well and get to the finals, but it didn't happen. Oh well, end of story.
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Guest4948
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 08:06:17
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I'm arguably the furthest thing from a Leafs fan and do like the Canucks. Having said that, yes, he was overpaid here and that money perhaps could have been spent elsewhere but what's done is done. I give Gillis credit for trying something he thought would work.
As far as Sundin being good, bad or indifferent, i'm on side with him being considered GREAT (career wise). I don't care how much i dislike the Leafs, the guy was a fantastic player for them. To claim he couldn't make them better or put them over the top, etc, is a joke. With some of the teams he played on, Gretzky, Lemieux and Orr wouldn't have been able to "put them over the top". He did in fact make players better there help that team do as well as it did some years! No question in my mind the guy was a stud in his prime!
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 04:39:15
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| I cannot believe this is still going. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 08:20:23
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hahaha i know
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Gusteroni
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Posted - 05/21/2009 : 12:12:14
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How could Sundin not be in the HHOF with stats like these? NHL Totals: 1,346(GP), 564(G), 785(A), 1,349(P), 73(+/-), 1,093(PIM), 160(PP), 31(SH), 96(GW), 4,015(S), 14.0(S%). Granted he was over paid (aren't most players?) but the Canucks wanted him at the trade deadline last year (amongst other teams) and would have paid double. You cannot put all the blame on Sundin for the teams loss. They had good intentions signing him as he has 20 years NHL experience (drafted in 1989) and has now been in the NHL playoffs 10 times (8 times with the Leafs) not to mention all the years he played for Sweden. In the 92-93 season he had 114 points playing for the Nordiques and had only one year under 50 points (94-95 he had 47 point but only played in 47 games) not including this year. I think if I was trying to make a run in the playoffs and you looked around the league at who was available to sign and Sundin was available it would be a no brainer but to sign him. Anyway Sundin will be in the HHOF and yes the #13 will be raised in the ACC.
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Seventy7Fifty2
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Posted - 05/22/2009 : 06:50:59
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Originally posted by Gusteroni
How could Sundin not be in the HHOF with stats like these? NHL Totals: 1,346(GP), 564(G), 785(A), 1,349(P), 73(+/-), 1,093(PIM), 160(PP), 31(SH), 96(GW), 4,015(S), 14.0(S%). Granted he was over paid (aren't most players?) but the Canucks wanted him at the trade deadline last year (amongst other teams) and would have paid double. You cannot put all the blame on Sundin for the teams loss. They had good intentions signing him as he has 20 years NHL experience (drafted in 1989) and has now been in the NHL playoffs 10 times (8 times with the Leafs) not to mention all the years he played for Sweden. In the 92-93 season he had 114 points playing for the Nordiques and had only one year under 50 points (94-95 he had 47 point but only played in 47 games) not including this year. I think if I was trying to make a run in the playoffs and you looked around the league at who was available to sign and Sundin was available it would be a no brainer but to sign him. Anyway Sundin will be in the HHOF and yes the #13 will be raised in the ACC.
"There are only two seasons. Hockey season and not hockey season."
Of course he'll make it into the HOF... don't fret Leafs fans...
The main reason he'll make it is to pacify the Toronto population, media, and fans.
AND best of all... the HOF is IN Toronto!!!
Use common sense... more visitors!!!!!!!!! more MONEY !!!!!
Oh, and by the way, the secondary reason for him getting in, is the fact that he was indeed an average to above-average player. Lots of points, but not a GREAT enough player to make the difference on any team. He's not the missing link on ANY team to bring that team to a higher level, let alone steer a team towards a Cup! |
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