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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
 Posted - 01/14/2009 : 14:48:05
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There aren't that many people around that would remember the hype that surrounded this game the last time we played it, but I thought it would be worth it to introduce it to a ''new generation'' of forum members.
Rules
Players: 16 / 8 depending on turnout
Objective: Win hockey debates and move on
Format: We will make a bracket randomly, where each member is paired up with another. Once it is your turn, a hockey topic (ex. Instigator Penalty) will be thrown out. Taking turns, the players get 3 posts each to debate their side and give a rebuttal to any points their opponent makes.
Advancing: Once the debate is over, each member votes. This isn't ''which side I like better'' or ''which member I like better'' - it's ''which member debated his side better.'' The winner moves on to another debate on another topic.
Guidelines: Members will have one week to reply with their posts during their debate. The debate isn't an essay, something we can all, especially myself, learn from last time. It's a post.
And now, without further ado, I cordially invite all Great Debater hopefuls to sign-up for some of the most fun there is to be had on the web!
P.S. It was LRP's idea, so you can all - and should all - thank him! 
Players
1. Alex
2. LeafsRockPlanet
3. MrD
4. Reeder17
5. ThorntonisTHEMAN
6. Beans15
7. fat_elvis_rocked
8. Avalanche_17
9. leafsfan_101
10. Chriso88
11. hanley6
12. Porkchop73
13. Lunchbox
14. Bigcat
15. Guest6255
16. DangleFest89
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Edited by - Alex on 01/20/2009 14:25:59
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 14:53:35
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I think a bibliography should be included in mentioning where this brilliant idea came from. 
HAHA im in. |
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MrD
Top Prospect
Canada
19 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 15:02:27
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This is an awesome idea there LRT!!! I wasn't around for the last one, but I'd love to have at 'er if you're ok with a PUH rookie taking part.
Milbury and McGuire should fight to the death and both lose. |
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Reeder17
Rookie
Canada
112 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 15:17:01
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I would love to take part in this! Sign me up!
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
499 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 16:26:12
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Ah yes, I remember the last one! I didn't take part but I enjoyed reading them. I'm in this time.
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 16:32:38
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I like the idea and I would be in as well.
If I can offer a suggestion, I would put a limit on the number of words. I think last time around, it lost steam because some of the posts were so damn long.
Just a thought. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 08:22:40
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| Sounds like it would be a great idea....include me if you need players please....thanks. |
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Avalanche_17
Top Prospect
Canada
27 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 13:20:33
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I would love to be a part of this. Also, I agree with Beans, some people write a little too much to try to prove their point  |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 13:43:41
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After defeating Alex in the previous debate, how could the former (self proclaimed :P) champion of The Great Debate not take part in the new one.
Count me in to win :) |
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Chriso88
Top Prospect
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 14:19:48
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Yea this seems like a good game... I am in!!
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 12:32:37
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OK guys so here's the story. I'm sure all who signed up want to get started as quick as possible, as do I. However, you can't do a bracket-style, single knockout tournament with 10 guys. We need 6 more.
So, spread the word! If you haven't yet signed up, what are you waiting for?
As for the debate topics, I have come up with a list of 15 with about 5 ''backup topics''. Here's the list, let me know what you think.
Debate Topics
1) Gretzky vs. _____ (fill in the blank)
2) Instigator penalty
3) Fighting in hockey
4) NHLers in Olympics
5) Fan voting in All Star Game
6) 3 point games
7) Rental player concept
8) Brodeur vs. Roy
9) Mandatory visors
10) Too many NHL teams?
11) Betuzzi incident – adequate punishment?
12) 2nd Toronto team
13) Continuos OT in playoffs
14) Crosby vs. Ovechkin
15) Puck-over-the-glass penalty |
Edited by - Alex on 01/17/2009 15:43:55 |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 16:58:13
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Just want to throw it out there.
Not sure if its only me but when it comes to the history topics, im definetely not knowledgeable enugh to compete with some of the older guys like Beans.
EDIT: DEFINETELY NOT KNOWLEDGABLE |
Edited by - Leafs Rock Planet on 01/16/2009 17:09:40 |
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Avalanche_17
Top Prospect
Canada
27 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2009 : 17:21:02
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I like all the topics except the mandatory visors. I just find that topic hard to get in depth about.  I don't know if other people find it easier though? And also I think we should keep the history. It will stretch people's knowledge a bit and those topics will be interesting. It just requires some more research for the people debating it. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 15:48:20
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LRP, saw your point and removed the 70s Habs vs 80s Oilers topic since not many people could do justice to that one, nor would it be fair. I have, however, left in the Brodeur / Roy and Gretzy / fill-in-the-blank debate since most people have strong opinions one way or the other on these ones. I added the debate over whether Toronto deserves a second NHL team, a more contemporary, relevant and open debate I would think.
Avalanche_17, I left in the mandatory visors debate for now since it has been a hot button issue for a while. If enough people are opposed to it, I will replace it.
For the record, I am using a random number generator to decide the tournament brackets and who gets what debate. Guys, please sign-up! We need 6 more, or else we'll be forced to put two guys on the waiting list and proceed with 8, which I'm sure nobody wants.
Go Habs Go! |
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Reeder17
Rookie
Canada
112 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 17:13:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
LRP, saw your point and removed the 70s Habs vs 80s Oilers topic since not many people could do justice to that one, nor would it be fair. I have, however, left in the Brodeur / Roy and Gretzy / fill-in-the-blank debate since most people have strong opinions one way or the other on these ones. I added the debate over whether Toronto deserves a second NHL team, a more contemporary, relevant and open debate I would think.
Avalanche_17, I left in the mandatory visors debate for now since it has been a hot button issue for a while. If enough people are opposed to it, I will replace it.
For the record, I am using a random number generator to decide the tournament brackets and who gets what debate. Guys, please sign-up! We need 6 more, or else we'll be forced to put two guys on the waiting list and proceed with 8, which I'm sure nobody wants.
Go Habs Go!
Give me until at least Monday night. I'm not at school on weekends and I know I can convince a couple of my buds to sign up.
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 17:25:33
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| i'd join if it's not too late |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
640 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 04:26:43
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| Alright Alex I would be game for this, I tend to get carried away with my comments but it should be fun. |
Edited by - Porkchop73 on 01/18/2009 04:33:00 |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
88 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2009 : 04:31:36
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| I'm in if there's still room. |
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Bigcat
Top Prospect
Canada
1 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2009 : 16:45:23
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I'll join, if no one minds.
Hull has never scored from inside the crease. |
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Guest6255
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 18:35:48
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| I would very much enjoy getting in on this action. |
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DangleFest89
Rookie
122 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2009 : 19:16:37
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| I'll join the topic if I can argue with someone that thinks MacT is a good coach haha |
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Reeder17
Rookie
Canada
112 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 07:44:12
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Is there going to be a limit on how much you can write?
Crosby is not the Jesus Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 14:30:28
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We have officially gathered 16 members, so give yourselves a pat on the backs.
I would like to post an image of the tournament bracket, but unfortunately, that tool (inserting images) has been removed. Admin, can you help me out with this one? I spent a fair amount of time putting it together.
In any case, I will be opening a new thread for our first debate. All questions / comments about the game itself will go in this thread. All debates and subsequent voting will take place in the debate's respective thread.
EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention, and it is VERY important.
Post sizes
PLEASE, try to limit yourself to ~500 words. If one guy posts 1000 words, the other will naturally try to outdo him, and the result is that we will never get through this. You can get your idea down in 500 words. For the record, my blogs are almost always under 500 words and they get the message across (and I throw in a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with it.)
People also get annoyed when you ramble on and will stop reading. I learned that last time. It's in your best interest, our best interest, and the game's best interest to go for about 500. Please keep that in mind. |
Edited by - Alex on 01/20/2009 15:19:24 |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
499 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 16:20:32
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Ok Alex.... just a bit of clarification for slow little me. We have 3 posts and thats it. Right? And do all members vote or just the 16 in The Great Debate?
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
Brett Hull. |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 17:31:52
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| Alex, can I just ask that whatever debate I will be invololved could be started in about maybe a week due to exams i have coming up this next week. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 19:21:22
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ThorntonisTHEMAN: Slow little you is correct. Three posts each, and only the 16 in the Great Debate vote.
LeafsRockPlanet: Your debate was actually scheduled last for this round (ie. eighth.) It would seem to me that waiting until then would prove to be less of a conflict than going at the end of the current debate, which would end around the middle of next week. But you can see how it goes and, if your opponent doesn't mind and you'd rather do it right away, than that's fine with me. |
Edited by - Alex on 01/20/2009 19:21:34 |
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1530 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 13:08:37
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I'm interested in who my opponent is. Alex, mind posting our matchups and when we are slated to go?
Don't tell us our debate topic, however. No need for the last debate to have more preperation time then the one currently going on.
Thanks :) |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 13:14:55
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I would very much have liked to post the image I prepared but in the mean time you guys deserve to know what the schedule looks like, so as per leafsfan_101's request, here are the match-ups, in descending order of when they will be taking place.
Reeder_17 vs ThorntonisTHEMAN
Chriso88 vs leafsfan_101
Guest6255 vs Alex
Lunchbox vs. fat_elvis_rocked
Porkchop73 vs DangleFest89
Avalanche_17 vs hanley6
Beans15 vs MrD
LeafsRockPlanet vs Bigcat
Again, the order of who you debate, what you debate, and when you debate was all done with a random number generator. Good luck to all!
''Yes we can!'' -Obama |
Edited by - Alex on 01/21/2009 13:15:15 |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 19:15:04
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Damn.
I so wanted the guy who wanted to argue MacT's coaching. Especially after winning 5 of the last 6 games without having a single player in the top 30 in the league scoring or having a single player with even 15 goals. Also, having a better record than the team with the two league leading scorers.
That would have been as good as a bye in the first round!
Good Luck MrD, hope we get a good topic. I'm in the hurtin kind a mood lately. |
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DangleFest89
Rookie
122 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 20:15:21
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| cause one player makes a team wooooo, thats why kovalchuk always leads the thrashers to the playoffs every year bahahah, anyday beans would have been an easy bye your right |
Edited by - DangleFest89 on 01/21/2009 21:02:04 |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2009 : 06:13:57
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Originally posted by DangleFest89
cause one player makes a team wooooo, thats why kovalchuk always leads the thrashers to the playoffs every year bahahah, anyday beans would have been an easy bye your right
I think you missed the point. What I am saying is that most playoff teams have more than one player in the Top 30 offensively. The Oilers have zero. Something to be said about winning 3 of the last 4, 5 of the last 6, and 10 of the last 15. Most of that was also without their best player.
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DangleFest89
Rookie
122 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2009 : 13:48:16
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| too lazy to argue all i can say is defence win championships |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 16:05:30
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| there is some major lagging going on Reeder17 made his first statement a couple days ago with no reply. It should almost be done by now. This could take forever by this rate |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 18:20:52
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
there is some major lagging going on Reeder17 made his first statement a couple days ago with no reply. It should almost be done by now. This could take forever by this rate
You really need to calm down buddy. It was posted yesterday or a day before that. Sorry but most people arent on the computer as much as a fiend like yourself. Its obvious you wont be putting much effort into your debates. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 18:34:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by hanley6
there is some major lagging going on Reeder17 made his first statement a couple days ago with no reply. It should almost be done by now. This could take forever by this rate
You really need to calm down buddy. It was posted yesterday or a day before that. Sorry but most people arent on the computer as much as a fiend like yourself. Its obvious you wont be putting much effort into your debates.
i see, goodluck to you too |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
499 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 20:39:11
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quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
there is some major lagging going on Reeder17 made his first statement a couple days ago with no reply. It should almost be done by now. This could take forever by this rate
Easy there Hanley. I'll have my reply up tomorrow! Some of us actually have a life other than the internet. |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 19:17:41
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quote:
Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
there is some major lagging going on Reeder17 made his first statement a couple days ago with no reply. It should almost be done by now. This could take forever by this rate
Easy there Hanley. I'll have my reply up tomorrow! Some of us actually have a life other than the internet.
it shouldn't take this long to get your point across, you both have 2 more posts each and none of you have wrote anything for a couple days, why did you join if you aren't going to do anything? Even Alex wrote a comment asking your two to get this moving along... |
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DangleFest89
Rookie
122 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 19:55:41
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| just an idea since this is single elimination format why not have more than 1 topic going on at a time since alot of people are busy with school and work |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 20:07:19
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quote:
Originally posted by DangleFest89
just an idea since this is single elimination format why not have more than 1 topic going on at a time since alot of people are busy with school and work
i agree |
Edited by - hanley6 on 01/26/2009 20:11:08 |
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Avalanche_17
Top Prospect
Canada
27 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 05:10:02
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| Ya, I agree too. About 2 or 3 so it doesn't get too crazy. |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
499 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2009 : 05:53:19
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| I won't be able to past any debates this weekend so I would really like to have my final debate post posted by thursday if possible, Reeder. |
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