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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 02/02/2009 : 01:35:46
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I have to Jason Blake... The guy had one season where he got 40 goals now every one says he sucks because he's supposedly not performing. In the month of January alone Blakes had 16 pts in 13 games which is awesome.. Blake and Moore have been the hottest two players for Toronto a lot of people say the best of Blake has past well I say he's underrated.
another one would be Shane Doan
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Pasty7
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Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 01:52:47
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Originally posted by hanley6
I have to Jason Blake... The guy had one season where he got 40 goals now every one says he sucks because he's supposedly not performing. In the month of January alone Blakes had 16 pts in 13 games which is awesome.. Blake and Moore have been the hottest two players for Toronto a lot of people say the best of Blake has past well I say he's underrated.
another one would be Shane Doan
i agree with blake he is on pace for 28 goals thats a good season and nothing to snicker at for all flack he takes,, shane doan i would say is more just unnoticed then underrated
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 02:17:05
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wow, that's a first,, someone on here actually agrees with me on something
thanks Pasty7 |
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Guest6198
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 06:33:29
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Keep in mind, Blake just RECENTLY went on a goal tear, getting a hatrick a while ago and potting a few since. Not to diss, I'm not a detractor, but his criticism was coming back when he was on pace for under 20. AGAIN. Not recently.
I would say Marc Savard still. People are still acting like he might not be good enough to make Team Canada next year, which I think is ridiculous. The guy's been great for years but no one noticed on Atlanta and only now is he garnering some attention.
Another is Robert Lang. The guy is really, really consistent but never (excluding the early 90s w/ Jagr) goes over 60 points. But he always has at least 50 and this year should be no exception.
Finally, Tomas Holmstrom Slava Kozlov. |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 07:29:45
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I was also going to say Savard... though that is slightly changing now the Bruins are in the spotlight and there's been a bit more focus on Savard as a possible Hart candidate, but still I think he is underrated. Doaner is another forward I think whose location keeps him out of the limelight, but a great player.
I'd say Mike Green and Dan Boyle don't get quite enough respect that they should, a lot of people keep talking about 2010 with those guys on the fringes, but somehow names like Jovo, Niedermayer and Redden are always before them. |
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 09:45:27
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Zach Parise. Better than Crosby and gets no attention.
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 11:46:49
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Isnt Blake getting paid like 5 mil a season, thats why people are saying he isnt preforming, he had a good month wow, that does not make him underrated. Savard is clearly the most underrated player, if he doesnt make team Canada is will be a terrible move by them.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 14:48:17
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If I told you the following, what defenseman would you pick:
- In the top 15 scoring
- 25+ minutes per game
-Plays PK, PP, and EV situations on an above .500 team
-Has 32 takeaways (4th in the league) compared to only 19 turnovers.
-Is one of the best +/- players in the league
-Has a very low differential between points and +/- (not like players such as Malkin who is a +17 and has 75 points).
-Has only 24 PIM in 44 game.s
I would venture to say that Duncan Keith is not your first guess.
The guy is young, mobile, and plays a very smart game. He does all the little things that coaches love and all the things that help a team win.
Duncan Keith is hugely over rated. |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 16:22:30
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Originally posted by Beans15
Duncan Keith is hugely over rated.
I think you mean under rated right?
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DangleFest89
Rookie
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 16:58:32
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| Shane Doan see what this guy can do with a little support |
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
674 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2009 : 17:47:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Duncan Keith is hugely over rated.
I think you mean under rated right?
under rated for sure |
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willus3
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 18:03:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
If I told you the following, what defenseman would you pick:
- In the top 15 scoring
- 25+ minutes per game
-Plays PK, PP, and EV situations on an above .500 team
-Has 32 takeaways (4th in the league) compared to only 19 turnovers.
-Is one of the best +/- players in the league
-Has a very low differential between points and +/- (not like players such as Malkin who is a +17 and has 75 points).
-Has only 24 PIM in 44 game.s
I would venture to say that Duncan Keith is not your first guess.
The guy is young, mobile, and plays a very smart game. He does all the little things that coaches love and all the things that help a team win.
Duncan Keith is hugely over rated.
You beat me to it. I talked about him last year on here and said he was a player to watch. He is worthy of Norris consideration and it won't be a crime if he wins it. He is that good.
"Society, have mercy on me. Hope you're not angry if I disagree." - Jerry Hannan |
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Guest9544
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 20:00:28
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you are an idiot hanley16 if you think Blake is under rated, he is a nothing a never was and a never will be, you want to talk about under rated players you need to get your facts streit
A under rated player would be more like Scottie Upsahll from Philadelphia he is under rated he has lots of skill but never really gets the attention he deserves because of the team he plays for |
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Brodeur
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 20:16:08
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Originally posted by Guest4150
Zach Parise. Better than Crosby and gets no attention.
www.drunkleolie.com
Yeah, your definitely right. Zach Parise has got to be one of the most under-rated players today. He should be paid more lol, oh and Patrik Elias as well. Elias's paycheck? Not so much as Parise's. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 20:48:35
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Ya, I mistyped. Keith is very under rated.
And yes, it was Willus that actually flashed the light on Keith. He is part of a small group of young (and very sick) defensemen in the league today. He, along with Webber, Burns, Phaneuf(once he learns to play defense and not just hit) among others will carry the torch soon enough.
Keith, however is the cream of the crop for me. Too much weight is put onto defensemen putting up points. Not that Keith is bad at that, but he knows what his #1 job is.
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 21:06:51
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Originally posted by Guest9544
you are an idiot hanley16 if you think Blake is under rated, he is a nothing a never was and a never will be, you want to talk about under rated players you need to get your facts streit
A under rated player would be more like Scottie Upsahll from Philadelphia he is under rated he has lots of skill but never really gets the attention he deserves because of the team he plays for
its hanley6... from what you are saying you are underrating Blake.. How can you say Blake is nothing? He's been one of the hottest players in the league in the last month or so, him and Dominic Moore. I need to get my facts straight? I think you need to start watching or paying attention to hockey |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 21:32:50
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Just because Blake has been hot, it doesn't make him a better player. Ultimately, he had one-40 goal season. Really, he is not better than 95% of the other borderline 2nd line players in the league.
Just because he has a few points in the past few games, it means nothing.
I would actually say the opposite of Blake. He has been over rated his entire career. And definately overpaid with the Leafs. |
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Jephman
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/02/2009 : 22:08:45
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Itz teh Sidney Crosby who iz teh underrated!
But seriously, in my opinion it is Duncan Keith. This guy is a monster on defense, has an amazing Plus/Minus, and still puts up a very good amount of points. I wouldn`t be surprised if he is a contender for the Norris this year.
Another player who is underrated in my opinion is Mikko Koivu. He is best known for being Saku`s younger brother, but man does this kid play! He is on the Power Play and Penalty Kill regularly, and is averaging a point a game on an extremely defensively oriented team (Minnesota, which is currently 24th in the league in Goals Per Game).
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Guest2798
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 02:55:34
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i also must say that savard is without a doubt the most underatted player in the nhl.he been 80-90plus points a year now for a couple of years now,hes the best set up man in the league along with crosby,malkin n thorton
oh n yes i agree,he should be a lock to make team canada
but because hes not a fan favourite he prob wont be there
BUT SHOULD BE
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 05:27:20
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Blake? ha ha, don't make me laugh . . . at least he's not overrated now, we can all see him for the player he really is - a player with a bit of a scoring touch, he has good speed . . . but he's a floater who doesn't like to use his body, while his defence is deplorable.
Some good mentions though here - Savard, Keith, Mikko Koivu, Parise, Elias. But, as most underrated, I'd have to pick from the players in the upper echelons to give the top prize, and my picks would be:
Martin St.Louis - he's small, but surprisingly gritty, and lightning quick. He puts up superstar numbers, while also being one of the best penalty kill specialists as well as playing on the power play. He does it all, really, and yet, somehow he is constantly overshadowed by Lecavalier. Does he let it get to him? Nope, he just keeps putting up big numbers . . . he's my #1 vote.
Patrick Elias - again, he does it all. Like St.Louis, he'll never be known as a physical guy, but he is so versatile, so good defensively, and he has the superstar skills. Yet, despite his skill level, he will always put team ahead of his own personal stats. And lastly, I have seen him score some big goals at key times, he is a clutch player in my mind. My #2!
Pavel Datsyuk - He quietly leads the team by example, and yet, despite the superstar numbers, he gets overshadowed by Zetterberg and Lidstrom. This year alone, look back at the big games Detroit has had, against San Jose in particular - when it's a big game, he excels. A leader on the ice, and he is having another great year (without Zetterberg building on his breakout season). He's my #3!
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Guest9838
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 07:27:45
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Slozo, your choices are pretty good too in the context of the question (underrated today). It's interesting because St. Louis and Elias used to be money and wouldn't have been held to anything less than the standard they're playing today. Elias dealt with a health issue though and a couple bad years and now he's quietly having a huge comeback year. St Louis' team has been bad for 2 straight years now so his skills get overlooked.
Can't agree with you on Datsyuk though, he's been in Hart conversations, is a perennial Selke candidate and is often seen as the rock on Detroit 's offence (Zett's has had his injury problems). I say he is playing to expectations and has never been under the radar. No one ever says "that Dats, he's not that great".
If you do put Datsyuk in there though, then you have to throw in Getzlaf too, like Dats and Parise and Elias. This guy is having a great season and no one seems to be talking aobut him (61 pts, tied with Savard for 4th). And Nicklas Backstrom, having an incredible year setting up Ovechkin (53 pts, good for T-11 with Carter, Marleau and Kreci), but flying very low under the radar. |
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 07:40:36
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Parise, Keith and Savard are good choice
I also think about Shea Weber and maybe Brandon Coburn (worst trade by Atlanta). As goaltender, i think Backstrom in Minnesota is under rated. |
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 08:49:44
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| How the hell can you even mention Datsyuk, St. Louis, and Elias ina topic about underrated players? These guys are all household names (if the household follows hockey) and you may as well talk about Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin too. |
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Guest9383
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:14:42
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IMO
M Koivu
R Getzlaf (As someone else mentioned, for the point totals he has, he's sure not talked about much)
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2009 : 14:10:43
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My 2 cents;
Tim Thomas, talked about, but still not being given the credit he deserves in my opinion.
Patrick Marleau, same as above.
Jeff Carter, in the hunt for the Richard trophy...quietly.
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 07:39:23
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I believe that Jay Boeuwmeester is one of the most underrated defenceman in the game today. The only reason he is being talked about this year is cuz his contract is running out. The man does everything; PK, PP, solid offence and solid defence. AND he does it while playing almost 30 minutes a night!
You don't believe that he is underrated? Look at the Canada's Roster 2010 forum. The majority of posters there forgot to include him on their roster or had him as a reserve player! Jay Boewmeester is one of the top defencemen in the NHL and people will be able to see that once he gets out of Florida! |
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Guest9645
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:09:56
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| MARC SAVARD NO QUESTION! |
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Mikey Boy
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:22:52
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top 5 underated players 1. Marc Savard
2. Mike Cammalleri
3. Shane Doan
4. Patrik Elias
5. Brad Boyes
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Matt_Roberts85
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:42:26
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Robyn Regher, he is a rock and no one outside of Calgary seems to recognize it.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Odin
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 10:12:36
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Originally posted by Guest9544
you are an idiot hanley16 if you think Blake is under rated, he is a nothing a never was and a never will be, you want to talk about under rated players you need to get your facts streit
A under rated player would be more like Scottie Upsahll from Philadelphia he is under rated he has lots of skill but never really gets the attention he deserves because of the team he plays for
HMMMM! And here I thought he was going to say Mark Streit is underrated. I thought that was going to be a play on words. I guess I gave too much credit. |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 10:19:43
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| Steit!!! how could I forget Streit, there you go... underrated. |
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Odin
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 10:21:00
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| Guys, everybody and their brother here is saying Savard. Doesn't that by default exclude him? Yes that was the case at one point when he was in Atlanta, but he has been in Boston now for a couple of years now, and anybody that follows hockey to any extent knows what this guy brings to the table. We have been drafting him in our pool now for over 5 years. With the constant plugs he gets from Cherry to discussions like this one here, he is constantly being talked about as underrated. It has become an urban legend. |
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irvine
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 16:52:30
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I would have to say Zdeno Chara is a bit underrated. You hear little about him, but he's a solid Defensman in the league. Top 5 in my opinion.
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 18:11:43
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| Zach Parise and Jeff Carter...for goalies, I would chose Steve Mason from Columbus. |
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Guest7645
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 22:19:49
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Steve Mason can't be underrated..he's new so isnt' really rated.
To me, underrated is like those ppl u don't know much about or hear about, but is a solid contributor not just points-wise..but in plus/minus or hits etc etc. An under rted performer over achiever.
Parise is expected to produce so he's living to his billings, as is Savard and Doan.
I can't really pin a single name to who's the MOST underrated...
I think Dennis Wideman is probably one of them.....
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CaliforniaSeal
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Posted - 02/04/2009 : 23:19:19
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Originally posted by Odin
Guys, everybody and their brother here is saying Savard. Doesn't that by default exclude him? Yes that was the case at one point when he was in Atlanta, but he has been in Boston now for a couple of years now, and anybody that follows hockey to any extent knows what this guy brings to the table. We have been drafting him in our pool now for over 5 years. With the constant plugs he gets from Cherry to discussions like this one here, he is constantly being talked about as underrated. It has become an urban legend.
He still doesn't get the recognition he deserves. He has been in the top 10 of scoring 3 of the last 4 years and yet every pool I have been apart of he goes in later rounds. This year looks like he may end up being in the top 10 again but I bet in most pools he wasn't in the top 10 picks. This guy is one of the top 20 players in the league.
No cup for Dino, what a shame |
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 04:13:45
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| dennis wideman, underrated |
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Guest6030
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 04:47:08
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| Well then the question should be rephrased to most underrated player with over 1 year of experience in the NHL. |
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 04:55:39
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My 2 cents on underrated players:
1. Has to be an established player, someone who has played for a while, or at the very least maintained their current pace somewhat. So, I would exclude players in their first few years, and players having that one break-out season. So, for players like Wideman for instance, he'd have to perform somewhat similarly to this year for another two years or so AND STILL not get the attention he deserves, to be considered truly underrated.
2. Secondly, to the posters who say I picked household names in choosing St.Louis, Elias and Datsyuk - well, to me, as stated previously, they are the BEST of the underrateds. My point in choosing them is that it's not worth my time noting some fourth line plugger who is underrated, because his value is so low that there is hardly any difference between perception and value. But with top line talents, the disparity can be huge.
Yes, arguments can be made for Datsyuk and Savard as being recognised, that they are not underrated . . . but in my mind, with the hockey people I talk with, and with the media coverage - that is my perception. So, it is hard to judge, everyone has a different perception of who they think is great.
Very good players on bad teams often get overlooked in general (unless you are far and away the only superstar, like Kovalchuk), and very good players on great teams often get overlooked because they are surrounded by lots of other good players.
Maybe Datsyuk gets talked about as one of the perrenial top 8 players in the league, maybe not . . . but my perception is that he is consistently rated lower than he should be. And, it's not a coincidence that many of the europeans are underrated, as the north american bias clearly shows through our north american media.
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 05:43:51
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Mason won't be considered underrated when he wins the Calder trophy this season. Next year come this time and he's not playing well he'll be considered overrated.
Remember Jim Carey?
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Posted - 02/05/2009 : 07:41:02
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I'm going to have to say Ales Hemsky. Everyone knows he has mad skillz but he is never on the top of the leaderboard because of the lousy teammates he has. If Edmonton could pick up another all-star, you would see a lot more of Hemsky. Gretzky has said that the one player right now that reminds him of himself is Hemsky and Jagr demanded to play on the same line as Hemsky in the Olympics (or maybe it was World Cup??).
In the next couple of years I think Hemsky will be a lot more talked about player. |
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