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hanley6
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 Posted - 02/10/2009 : 14:24:00
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Guest7266
lets all finish this with a final statement ( Montreals the better team, they played a dirty game, and the leafs smoked them. ) and theres no point in argueing because im not comming back to this post.
exactly it's nice to see someone actually paid attention to the game and agrees with me that Montreal is dirty
Hanley, you need an eye exam. It is blatantly obvious that you are a Leaf's homer, and probably whine when any leafs player is so much as touched. Go back and take a look th the replay, it was from the side. As I said, even the commentators were questioning whether it should have been a penalty. It was nowhere in the same league as Tom's hit. Not even close. Perhaps Van Ryn should learn to skate and he wouldn't have so many problems falling down.
You are quite obviously in the minority here, so let it go.
I don't know what game you are talking about because it wasn't the Leafs vs the Habs, the Commentators thought it was a dirty hit from behind and as it was and they thought he hit his head again at first but he was favoring his leg... I think you need to get your eyes checked because that was clearly from behind and his arms were up around Van Ryn's head... If you can prove it was from the side by all means prove it, but they showed the play a few times over the game and it was not from the side like you said it was, not even close |
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hanley6
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 14:26:07
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Originally posted by Guest9544
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Originally posted by Odin
See? Just bittter, bitter, bitter.
Just to brush you up on a little hockey history, 1993 is a hell of alot more recent than 1967. I would also dare say that Montreal is closer now than Toronto.
Toronto would have been Montreal that year if it wasn't for Wayne Gretzky seriously high stick to Dougie Gilmour drawling blood and getting no penalty and scoring on the next play...
Toronto would have beat Montreal for the Cup and I think even you know that
wow I actually agree with you for once.. The Stanley Cup had the Leafs name all over it that year |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 15:07:19
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So you two are actually saying that the reason the Leafs didn't win the cup in 93 is because Gretzky kicked Gilmour's arse?
I can buy that.....
Now please fellas....check yourselves back into the ward...it can be dangerous out here in the real world.... |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 15:14:54
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Ok Hanley6 you made me do it.
This is the only video I can find with the Pacioretty hit on VanRyn.
I apologize to everyone for the length and all the extra stuff, well not really an apology because I will take the opportunity to rub a little salt in the wounds of Habs fans. Just trying to add to the fan rivalry
Anyways Hanley6, looks like a pretty clean hit to me.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1766638651/bclid1755456939/bctid10424955001
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hanley6
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 15:20:49
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Ok Hanley6 you made me do it.
This is the only video I can find with the Pacioretty hit on VanRyn.
I apologize to everyone for the length and all the extra stuff, well not really an apology because I will take the opportunity to rub a little salt in the wounds of Habs fans. Just trying to add to the fan rivalry
Anyways Hanley6, looks like a pretty clean hit to me.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1766638651/bclid1755456939/bctid10424955001
that was behind, check it out again how can you say it was clean? it wasn't even a hit it was shove into the board from behind |
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 15:40:42
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That hit was fine. Van Ryn gets hurt every f'n time he steps on the ice.
I apologize to the few Leaf fans who have brain but most of you are the most xxxxxxx in the world.
Moderator Edit : Please leave the personal attacks and name calling where they belong. On the ice!!!! Kidding. Let's keep it about the opinion, not about the person. Thanks |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 18:38:12
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Thanks for the video Porkchop, I must have watched it 10-15 times, trying to see if there was something that could be called dirty with the hit and I am perplexed.
I do know how to avoid these sort of cheap shots in the future though.
If the defenceman is playing the puck from the faceoff dots in the defensive end, back, you cannot hit him.
If the defenceman is playing the puck any where along the boards from the faceoff dots out to the boards, you cannot hit him.
If the defenceman is playing the puck with his head down, you cannot hit him.
If the defenceman is playing with the name Van Ryn anywhere on his sweater, you cannot hit him.
If any player wearing a maple leaf, or the colors blue and white(just to be safe), is anywhere in a hockey rink, near a hockey rink, or iin the vicintiy of any surface more shiny than gravel, you cannot hit him.
If there should be any sort of incidental contact within these parameters, the hockey gods, or Gary Bettman(he already figures he is one), should spontaneously combust any video, audio, fantasitical, evidence, as well as strike down with a bolt of lightning anyone attempting to speak of, such heinous acts.
There that ought to about cover it methinks...
Still not sure if that would appease certain Leaf fans, but it's a start, I'm sure they'll come up with some other affront to their greatness. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/10/2009 : 22:49:34
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Am I sensing a mild amount of sarcasm coming from my partner as the "Biggest Oiler Fan" on the site????If you weave your way though said sarcasm, there are some very good points.
Now, before I go further, I never seen this specific hit. The link posted no longer works. But I will still take this time to make a point. Why?? Because I feel like it.
I think the biggest point is that a defensemen against the board who turns his back towards the player coming at them will eventually get hurt. Van Ryn hasn't seem to learn that lesson yet.
Ever wonder why players like Lidstrom, Pronger, Neidermayer, Zubov, Vishnonsky, Weber, Phaneuf, Burns, (the list goes on) rarely if ever get hit from behind???
BECAUSE THEY DON'T TURN THEIR BACK TO THE PLAY AGAINST THE BOARDS!!!!!!
It ain't dirty, it's stupid. More often than not, the guy going to make the hit can't stop or change directions in time. Not every time, but most times. And the players don't have the benefit of slow motion. It's real time. It's large men moving at fast speeds on thin steel blade on ice!!!
Dirty hit and stupid defensemen in a very thin line and often perception. My perception on Van Ryn is the stupid defensemen side of that thin line. |
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 04:37:31
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Beans - AMEN to that, case closed, end of discussion!
If only to repeat your comment, I too think it is mostly the stupidity of the defencemen in question here - they turn their back thinking they can avoid a full-on hard check. In their tiny brains, it's self-preservation, all things being equal - Oh! he has to stop now, or let up, otherwise it's a penalty. Unfortunately, as Beans pointed out, you are playing a game at full speed, with intensity, and with some reckless players. This makes the move very foolhardy indeed, and only increases your chances greatly of getting a serious injury.
Unfortunately, the Leafs are chock full of defencemen who do this 
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Odin
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 09:27:37
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Originally posted by Guest9544
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Originally posted by Odin
See? Just bittter, bitter, bitter.
Just to brush you up on a little hockey history, 1993 is a hell of alot more recent than 1967. I would also dare say that Montreal is closer now than Toronto.
Toronto would have been Montreal that year if it wasn't for Wayne Gretzky seriously high stick to Dougie Gilmour drawling blood and getting no penalty and scoring on the next play...
Toronto would have beat Montreal for the Cup and I think even you know that
Oh c'mon! Are you kidding me? Shoulda, woulda coulda?
Not for a moment do I know that Toronto would have beat Monteal. It would have been great if they met. But they didn't.
I could just as easily say that the Habs were a team of destiny that year. In no small part to the fact that Roy was on absolute fire that playoff. 10 OT wins? Down 2-0 against the Nordiques? In bad shape against the Kings until the McSorley stick debacle? Destiny my friend, destiny. |
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Odin
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 09:56:01
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Odin
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Guest7266
lets all finish this with a final statement ( Montreals the better team, they played a dirty game, and the leafs smoked them. ) and theres no point in argueing because im not comming back to this post.
exactly it's nice to see someone actually paid attention to the game and agrees with me that Montreal is dirty
You can say it over and over again, that isn't going to change what actually happened. I'm not sure who you were listening to, but Millen, after showing the replay, said "hmm, perhaps they got that wrong." I paraphrase.
Hanley, you need an eye exam. It is blatantly obvious that you are a Leaf's homer, and probably whine when any leafs player is so much as touched. Go back and take a look th the replay, it was from the side. As I said, even the commentators were questioning whether it should have been a penalty. It was nowhere in the same league as Tom's hit. Not even close. Perhaps Van Ryn should learn to skate and he wouldn't have so many problems falling down.
You are quite obviously in the minority here, so let it go.
I don't know what game you are talking about because it wasn't the Leafs vs the Habs, the Commentators thought it was a dirty hit from behind and as it was and they thought he hit his head again at first but he was favoring his leg... I think you need to get your eyes checked because that was clearly from behind and his arms were up around Van Ryn's head... If you can prove it was from the side by all means prove it, but they showed the play a few times over the game and it was not from the side like you said it was, not even close
You can say it over and over again, that isn't going to change what actually happened. I'm not sure who you were listening to, but Millen, after showing the replay, said "hmm, perhaps they got that wrong." I paraphrase. His arms were up around his head? As has been suggested by many here, you need to take the bilnders off. In case you've missed it, I agree with you 100% on Kostopolous, why wouldn't I do the same with this hit? I can prove it, watch the replay. What a silly comment.
So, not only do you need an eye exam, you need to get your hearing checked as well.
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Odin
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 09:59:54
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| Porkchop, thank you for saving me the work. I'm done! |
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hanley6
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 10:44:41
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| Van Ryn is not a stupid defenseman he was playing the puck the way he was supposed to... Get real people |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 11:56:38
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All sarcasm aside, I did watch the clip over and over, paused , rewound, etc.
The 'hit' , more of a shove, started before they had even reached the goal line, just off to the side of the net. Van Ryn was slightly off balance and was starting to turn behind the net, playing the puck. What's his name from Montreal merely played the body, without malice, and Van Ryn lost balance and went into the boards at an awkward angle, not headfirst, but definately awkward.
To call this a dirty hit is totally assinine and part of what the greater problem with the game is today. Call an accident an accident, and a cheap shot a cheap shot, by blurring all the lines, apparently some people can't tell the difference.
This was no cheap shot, this was one of those dangerous things that happen in a game that moves at the speed this one does, with the element of physical contact thrown in. The players know it and accept the responsibilities, perhaps some fans need to understand that and not let their emotional attatchments get in the way of intelligent analysis. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 14:25:08
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Originally posted by hanley6
Van Ryn is not a stupid defenseman he was playing the puck the way he was supposed to... Get real people
Have you ever notice that the players, specifically defensemen, who don't get hit from behind rarely if every play the puck then they are not perpedicular to the boards?? The games great (and even good) defensemen rarely if ever play a dumped in puck with their shoulders parallel to the boards. It puts them in a vulnerable position.
Van Ryn does not appear to do this. It appears he enjoys being in a vulnerable position and therefore gets injured more than he should. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 02/12/2009 : 16:01:58
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by hanley6
Van Ryn is not a stupid defenseman he was playing the puck the way he was supposed to... Get real people
Have you ever notice that the players, specifically defensemen, who don't get hit from behind rarely if every play the puck then they are not perpedicular to the boards?? The games great (and even good) defensemen rarely if ever play a dumped in puck with their shoulders parallel to the boards. It puts them in a vulnerable position.
Van Ryn does not appear to do this. It appears he enjoys being in a vulnerable position and therefore gets injured more than he should.
exactly, Van Ryn tends to backhand the puck around the boards but keep his shoulders paralell with the boards (basicly faceing the boards only turning his head to the direction he shovels the puck) i personally have no sympathy for these guys, you know there is a forward doing his job right behind you coming hard, if instead of shovling the puck around the d man turns hard almost to circle the net as he shovels the puck around or god forbid even skates with it he will take a solid clean hit that rarely results in injury and then play continues,,, even Kostopoulos's hit in November was not that bad Van Ryn stood there admiring his pass faceing the boards when he didn;t turn like a normal skater and take a perfectly clean hit he got rammed from behind by a forward doing his job, (apply pressure forcheck hard) you see even right after the hit Kostopulos puts his glove down to Van Ryn shoulder clearly feeling bad and showing no real intent to get him from behind simply put if you suck it up and face your check m,ore often then not you dont get hurt
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 08:58:47
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by hanley6
Van Ryn is not a stupid defenseman he was playing the puck the way he was supposed to... Get real people
Have you ever notice that the players, specifically defensemen, who don't get hit from behind rarely if every play the puck then they are not perpedicular to the boards?? The games great (and even good) defensemen rarely if ever play a dumped in puck with their shoulders parallel to the boards. It puts them in a vulnerable position.
Van Ryn does not appear to do this. It appears he enjoys being in a vulnerable position and therefore gets injured more than he should.
exactly, Van Ryn tends to backhand the puck around the boards but keep his shoulders paralell with the boards (basicly faceing the boards only turning his head to the direction he shovels the puck) i personally have no sympathy for these guys, you know there is a forward doing his job right behind you coming hard, if instead of shovling the puck around the d man turns hard almost to circle the net as he shovels the puck around or god forbid even skates with it he will take a solid clean hit that rarely results in injury and then play continues,,, even Kostopoulos's hit in November was not that bad Van Ryn stood there admiring his pass faceing the boards when he didn;t turn like a normal skater and take a perfectly clean hit he got rammed from behind by a forward doing his job, (apply pressure forcheck hard) you see even right after the hit Kostopulos puts his glove down to Van Ryn shoulder clearly feeling bad and showing no real intent to get him from behind simply put if you suck it up and face your check m,ore often then not you dont get hurt
Pasty
I should add to this when Bergeron had is concussion last year, not this year, he was facing the board he got hit and got injured
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAEetam6HQ
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 14:02:41
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There is no right way as a defenceman to make this play when the checker has full intention to drive the player through the end of the rink. I do not care whether you get parallel or stop and face the checker you will get hit hard and there is nothing you can do. Sometimes the hits are dirty sometimes they are clean.
Please stop saying that that VanRyn or any other player is stupid for when they get driven through the boards.
I will say it only once more. If the checker wants to drill you through the end of the rink there is nothing you can do, except maybe dive to the ground. |
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 14:29:08
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
There is no right way as a defenceman to make this play when the checker has full intention to drive the player through the end of the rink. I do not care whether you get parallel or stop and face the checker you will get hit hard and there is nothing you can do. Sometimes the hits are dirty sometimes they are clean.
Please stop saying that that VanRyn or any other player is stupid for when they get driven through the boards.
I will say it only once more. If the checker wants to drill you through the end of the rink there is nothing you can do, except maybe dive to the ground.
i agree with you but if while diving he still hits you, you're still vulnerable, even more and in cas you were saying i said Bergeron is stupid when he had his concussion, i never intended to say this, neither Van Ryn, |
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hanley6
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 17:23:39
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Originally posted by Guest4159
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
There is no right way as a defenceman to make this play when the checker has full intention to drive the player through the end of the rink. I do not care whether you get parallel or stop and face the checker you will get hit hard and there is nothing you can do. Sometimes the hits are dirty sometimes they are clean.
Please stop saying that that VanRyn or any other player is stupid for when they get driven through the boards.
I will say it only once more. If the checker wants to drill you through the end of the rink there is nothing you can do, except maybe dive to the ground.
i agree with you but if while diving he still hits you, you're still vulnerable, even more and in cas you were saying i said Bergeron is stupid when he had his concussion, i never intended to say this, neither Van Ryn,
Beans is the one who said defense are stupid... To say something like that I gather he probably doesn't or never has even played contact hockey, cause if he did he'd know while Van Ryn or any defensemen is doing their job and chasing the puck behind the net there is no safe way of doing it, like Porkchop said the behind his first intentions are to crush the guy that's what he's going to do... They need to get rid of that before someone gets hurt bad... I can see a good clean hit yes, but a dirty hit from behind, push or trip, slash, cross check that needs to go |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/14/2009 : 21:50:22
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Van Ryn is such a bad example to use....I watched the Kotsopolous clip again and while I in no way condone the hit, watch what Van Ryn does when he plays the puck. He knows he's got pursuit, he checks the pursuit just before playing the puck. Then, he moves like he's going to push the puck behind the net and keep moving in that direction...moving being the key word here. Then, he decides to stop, back to the checker, and do what? reverse the play? draw a penalty? look for a couple weeks off the hard way?
Again, in no way do I condone the hit, but please, don't talk of whether someone has played or not, and therefore shouldn't have a opinion, look at the situation objectively.
If I was being devil's advocate in this circumstance, I would say that Kotsopolous was as surprised as anyone that Van Ryn stopped, he was commited to the check as Porkchop pointed out, Van Ryn changed the outcome by trying to make a play he shouldn't have. If Van Ryn kept moving to his left, behind the net, he probably would have gotten a good rubbing out against the boards and glass, but certainly not pile-driven like he was...
The last incident, again, I said it earlier, bad result from a very innocent physical play, to cite intent and cheapness is just bitterness instead of reason. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/15/2009 : 07:34:15
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Hanley, if you are going to quote me, please quote me accurately. I never said that defensemen are stupid for playing the puck. You don't have to have played contact hockey to know that part of the job of a defensemen in to play the puck.
What I said is the players that do not get hurt all play the puck the same way while those who get hurt often (Van Ryn for example) play the puck the wrong way. Playing a dumped in puck with your shoulders parallel to the boards is stupid. Playing the puck with your shoulders perpendicular to the boards is smart.
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 02/16/2009 : 04:54:05
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Hanley, if you are going to quote me, please quote me accurately. I never said that defensemen are stupid for playing the puck. You don't have to have played contact hockey to know that part of the job of a defensemen in to play the puck.
What I said is the players that do not get hurt all play the puck the same way while those who get hurt often (Van Ryn for example) play the puck the wrong way. Playing a dumped in puck with your shoulders parallel to the boards is stupid. Playing the puck with your shoulders perpendicular to the boards is smart.
I would agree that it is the better way to play, not smarter. Perpendicular to the boards lets the body absorb more of the hit when you can't be against the boards. Obviously if you can get against the boards before the hit it is the smartest way to make the play. That way the boards absorb the hit. You still cannot stop the injuries when that checker is intent on making the hit no matter which way the defenceman plays it. It is just a part of the game that players need to respect one another a little more, maybe by letting up on the ferocity of the check. You do not need to put the guy through the boards as much as you just need to knock him of the puck.
And to Hanley6, you certainly do not have to had played any hockey to understand this game. You should read some of Beans15 posts before making a bullS*&t statement like that. Sorry for the offensive language.
Anyways this thread has gotten way away from the Leafs/Habs rivalry. |
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