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Rambo2305
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 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 05:21:56
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So he's a senile old man, who played one shift in the NHL. Failed to record a point, hit, fight or even shot. So why is he qualified to pass judgment on players? Correction...if you are dense enough to listen to him, all Canadian players are god, and everyone else is s***. So Crosby isn't the best in the league, Malkin and Ovechkin battle for that title now. Rather then rag on Ovechkin, Cherry should praise him. Ovechkin scores, and when he gets hit, he hits back....harder. Unlike some players that cry to Super Mario and the ref...**cough...Crosby** If Ovechkin was born in Canada, Cherry would be willing to marry him, but because he's Russian, he's public enemy #1! As a Canadian, I'm ashamed that Cherry is even on the CBC (Tax payer funded station). Cherry's also one of the greatest Canadians ever???? WTF happened there? So Cherry should live with the fact that European players can dominate just as much as North American players, simple as that. You could go on and on about how full of s*** Cherry is, but pretty sure the servers can't handle that much.
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 05:28:40
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| yeah, don cherry is senile. he's always saying one thing one saturday then he'll say something exactly opposite to contradict himself. (sorry i have no facts to back that up but you all know you've heard him do it). But... he's a funny f@#$** |
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MSC
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 05:50:40
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| I actually listened to him praise Ovechkin last night, so I'm not really sure where this is coming from. What I find embarassing as a Canadian was listening to those arrogant frenchmen booing the American anthem last night in Montreal. That's complete disrespect and quite uniintelligent. I guess they're to ignorant to even know their own team. Maybe the should ask Boullion, Higgins, Komisarek, and Schnieder how that performance made them feel. |
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Guest4243
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 06:43:20
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Senile? He's got more wits about him than you do Rambo2305. I think you have got Don wrong. I've watched him since he began on CBC, and I have consistently heard him expouse on values, not on nationality. Canadian hockey players overwhelmingly display the values he speaks about, and so serve as good examples. Many people then draw the conclusion that he only likes Canadian players, which is false. i've heard him say good things about players from all over the world, and I've heard him rip Canadian players too.
I'm Canadian, and I am not ashamed of Don Cherry. He's the only guy I see on TV who constantly brings attention to our troops, our public service folks, and to families who need a hand.
Finally, Cheery teaches hockey to the kids. He teaches hockey attitude. He points out unsafe situations on the ice. What has your namesake done Rambo2305? I'd certainly put Cherry up as a role model over Stallone.
Oh, and about his NHL record, do you have any concept about how difficult it is to get in the NHL? 70,000+ kids start playing hockey every year in Canada, the age range of players is from 18 - 40 more or less, so 22 years of new players times 70,000 = 1.54 million people. Only about 750 players are in the NHL. Approx 60% of them are Canadian, or 450 players. That's about 1 kid in 3,420 who start playing actually make it into the NHL. Pretty good odds, all things considered, but still exceptional for Cherry to even get one shift in the NHL. How many shifts have you had? Apparently you believe that time in the NHL = knowledge of the game, so state your credentials.
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 07:24:15
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I agree with you, Rambo. Too bad a majority of people don't see his racism (always with a flag draped over it) and see his "apologies" afterward for just what they are - covering his ass, as directed by the PR division of CBC and the rest of Cherry's handlers.
Guest 4243 - Cherry's "values" include all kinds of good things, but they also include many bad ones as well. Just like an opportunistic politician will jump at the opportunity to associate themselves with heroes, gold medal winners and movie stars, Cherry tries to get you onside and listening to him by first espousing this 'Canadiana' mythology . . . how brave we are as fighters, how tough we are as hockey players, and how we always have these great morals. He then uses a double standard when judging europeans, and especially Russians, with the aim always to make them look like sissies compared to the great Canadian hockey player.
I hate how Cherry promotes goon hockey. I hate him painting Canadian hockey players with such a broad brush. And I hate his racist attitude towards euros.
Can't wait to see the door hit his ass on the way out!
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 07:26:51
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So when he went off about Detroit having “Too many Europeans” and encouraging our kids to be goons on the ice rather then playing a respectful, skillful game like the Wings (Defending Champs), and every media franchise in Canada recognized this but the CBC, that was him being a role model? Or the fact that when Mats Sundin (Swedish), was given a standing “O” upon his return to Toronto, Cherry’s comments “it’s shameful that Canadian fans would cheer for a Swede over the other good Canadians on the team”. Where does he get off making a comment like that, Sundin is arguably the greatest Leaf of all-time and as much as I love my Leafs, there was no one in that entire arena that deserved a standing ovation more then Sundin.
I do respect the fact that Cherry has a lot of pride for Canada, but sometimes a little too much. He supports our troops and focuses on needy families, yes. As for role model, neither Cherry, athlete or any media icon should be a role model for any person, how about we as a society wake up and be good parents and be a role model for our kids. The day your kid would rather look up to a guy that plays a game for a living over you, there’s something wrong with that.
Why is it in Cherry’s eyes, Crosby is still the best in the league, clearly not, when was the last time you heard him praise Malkin, never. Crosby and Staal are the best on the Pens? HA! That's probably why the Pens have a better winning percentage without Crosby in the line up.
Also, we all seem to forget the whole,”The only players that wear visors are French or European” fiasco a couple years ago.
Changing focus to the Habs fans last night, I understand their passion, but remember how upset Canadians were when the fans in Carolina booed our anthem a few years ago, now we do the same thing to the American anthem?
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Odin
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 09:06:55
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So when he went off about Detroit having “Too many Europeans” and encouraging our kids to be goons on the ice rather then playing a respectful, skillful game like the Wings (Defending Champs), and every media franchise in Canada recognized this but the CBC, that was him being a role model? Or the fact that when Mats Sundin (Swedish), was given a standing “O” upon his return to Toronto, Cherry’s comments “it’s shameful that Canadian fans would cheer for a Swede over the other good Canadians on the team”. Where does he get off making a comment like that, Sundin is arguably the greatest Leaf of all-time and as much as I love my Leafs, there was no one in that entire arena that deserved a standing ovation more then Sundin.
I do respect the fact that Cherry has a lot of pride for Canada, but sometimes a little too much. He supports our troops and focuses on needy families, yes. As for role model, neither Cherry, athlete or any media icon should be a role model for any person, how about we as a society wake up and be good parents and be a role model for our kids. The day your kid would rather look up to a guy that plays a game for a living over you, there’s something wrong with that.
Why is it in Cherry’s eyes, Crosby is still the best in the league, clearly not, when was the last time you heard him praise Malkin, never. Crosby and Staal are the best on the Pens? HA! That's probably why the Pens have a better winning percentage without Crosby in the line up.
Also, we all seem to forget the whole,”The only players that wear visors are French or European” fiasco a couple years ago.
Changing focus to the Habs fans last night, I understand their passion, but remember how upset Canadians were when the fans in Carolina booed our anthem a few years ago, now we do the same thing to the American anthem?
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Sounds to me like Rambo is trying to open up another side debate of Ovechkin vs Crosby. Until they call it quits on their career, all of that means nothing.
But I think some of you are missing the point. Cherry draws because he calls it as he sees it. Period. In this age of over-abundant political correctness, Cherry is a breath of fresh air. Does he talk crap sometimes? Absolutely. But, as evidenced by this conversation, there is no arguing that he is a proud Canadian. Contrary to what some would have you believe, there is nothing wrong with that. As far as I'm concerned, we don't have enough chest thumpers in the country. Some of us are far too concerned about offending anybody that we don't actually say what we want. And THAT is the problem. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 09:37:07
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I love this. Seriously, is this not a little of the pot calling the kettle black?? People are passing judgements towards Cherry based on their own beliefs, just like Cherry does to other. I find that laughable.
Now, let's take a look back at a couple of things.
Firstly, Cherry's 1,017 games of professional hockey puts him ahead of many other 'media' guys out there. Sure,they were not NHL games, but 1000+ pro games is a career in most peoples books. Then, he goes on to Coach 739 games, of which 480 were in the NHL. In those 480 games (6 season) his team won their division 3 straight years, went to the Cup finals twice, and he won the Jack Adams.
I guess nearly 1,800 combined games as a player and coach doesn't make him worthy to speak about the game. Hmmm.
Now, to the 'racist' piece. I have a hard time arguing some of his comments. He definately has a preference towards Canadians. He will often find weakness and mistakes in European players and over hype the play of Canadian players. There is not doubt about that. However, I just wanted to note one thing. Cherry stated , "Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French guys," in 2004. There was a huge uproar. The funniest thing, was Cherry was 100% accurate. A study done at the time proved that the vast majority of players with visors were French Canadian and European. What exactly is racists about stating a fact???? He didn't say it was good or bad, he just stated a fact.
However, because Cherry is who he is, it is automatically a racial comment.
As I said, I don't condon everything the guy says, but at the same time, his comments are often taken out of context. And I can't believe a guy who has done so much charitable work and supports the Canada to the degree that Cherry does is such a horrible guy.
Ultimately, I have just one small piece of advice for everyone. If you are watching a CBC hockey game and the 1st period is over, change the channel. Pretty simple. If you don't enjoy listening to Cherry, all you have to do is change the channel. The rest of us who like Cherry will keep the ratings up for everyone.
Have a nice, wholesome, patriotic Canadian Day! |
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rebekah
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 09:55:55
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| I can't say I don't agree on many of these points, but to remove Don Cherry from CBC would suck, because honestly, he's good entertainment. I find him actually pretty funny and his suits crack me up every time. I like that he's not afraid to say what he wants to on national television. Maybe Canadian Icon is a bit extreme but he's definitely a symbol for Canadian Hockey, which may not necessarily be a bad thing? |
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 10:20:47
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Cherry is an amazing conundrum in media because he says what he actually thinks. Like all of us, that means he's going to say some stupid things sometimes. But I am thankful he is there, because it would be deathly boring to only hear all those cookie-cutter commentators and analysts repeat the same cliches over and over again. It is refreshing and rare to have a television personality state THEIR OWN ACTUAL HONEST OPINION. He will be sorely missed when he's gone.
As far as his hockey comments, personally I have never played hockey myself, but I watch every single playoff game. I learn a lot more from Cherry about the game than I have from any other TV personality. He helps me appreciate the nuances of the game and opens my eyes to many things that would otherwise go unnoticed.
There is no reason to be afraid of someone else's thoughts. You don't have to agree - that's fine. But we also don't need to all conform to the same ideals. Let there be differences of opinion, and let Cherry continue to be a glimpse of originality and honesty on television. |
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 10:59:18
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| were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 11:01:26
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Don Cherry has forgotten more about hockey than you'll ever know Rambo. The man is right most of the time, and is usually a couple years ahead of the curve when it comes to changing things in hockey.
I want to know one thing as well, just what exactly is so wrong about being uber-patriotic? American are SO freaking patriotic and are constantly telling the world how great they are. The same goes for alot of european countries, every italian or polish person will tell you that they're country is the best and that their culture is amazing. Don Cherry is the only popular canadian figure who is consistantly supporting a canadian identity. Canadians are tough, hard working people, who kick ass at hockey and we should be proud of that, and not let other countries (like russia) try to take the mantle of the best away from us.
The olympics are coming up and im sure everyones canadian blood will be boiling and hoping that team canada absolutley annihilates Russia. I know I will. So stop being such a p****, everyone is so scared of someone who speaks their mind. And like beans said, if you dont like it, change the channel.
As far as what he said when Sundin got the standing "O" in Toronto, he is kind of right. Sundin gets a standing ovation (which I had no problem with) despite all the controversy surrounding his departure, yet Bryan McCabe, who wanted to stay a leaf and loved it here, gets booed out of town. Bryan is a good canadian boy who gave everything he had to the blue and white, what exactly did he ever do (aside from having a few bad games) to deserve to be so hated? I think thats all he was trying to say.
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tbar
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 11:15:36
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
Changing focus to the Habs fans last night, I understand their passion, but remember how upset Canadians were when the fans in Carolina booed our anthem a few years ago, now we do the same thing to the American anthem?
So now were back to the eye for an eye mentality? I think it’s downright classless to boo another countries anthem even if they did so to us. In Vancouver they helped a girl sing it who kept getting jammed up trying to sing the American anthem a few years back. That a way bigger issue to me then Cherry saying something about the frenchies and Euros wearing visors. Why would Montreal care if Carolina booed the Canadian anthem anyway? Don’t they all want to separate?
But back on Topic Don Cherry is an absolute butie. He’s not politically right about everything but he hit's the nail in the head every time he sends support and prayers to the troops on duty. He says what he believes and with the utmost honesty he can. Not everybody will agree with everything he says but hell I don’t agree with everything any other annalist says so what’s the problem here? Agree to disagree and take it for what it is (His opinion).
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MSC
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:01:20
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were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston.
That's nice that you can speak for the entire sold out crowd. Watching that made me sick to my stomach. |
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:07:31
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I think Rambo was saying the boonig was a bad thing, judging by the "?" after his statement lol
Matt_Roberts...you can't even begin to compare Sundin to McCabe, McCabe WAS good, yes, but mainly for the big contract in '06, too bad Ferggy Jr. was dumb enough to give it to him...
Back to Cherry, he may be right about things, but still, we all have to admit he's a little too Canadian sometimes :P
P.S. Ovechkin over Malkin...Malkin over Crosby... LOL
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:18:38
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Adding fuel to the fire here...
For those of you who support Cherry, and support the booing at the Bell Centre last night, speaks loudly about the class of people supporting Cherry.
Be as Canadian as you want, but you don't boo the NATIONAL ANTHEM of another country...
As for the Sundin, McCabe thing, I didn't know it was possible to use both of them in the same sentence until now? :S
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:42:45
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Originally posted by Guest0302
were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston.
That's nice that you can speak for the entire sold out crowd. Watching that made me sick to my stomach.
MSC- Do you want every person n the building last night to contact you? Were you in the building?
You got yor response. Accept it. I do not agree with booing during an anthem but reading a comment like yours, you are one of those guys who are never satified. Unless you were in the building accept the response from someone who was.Are you from the east coast. If so spend some time in BC. |
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Guest6196
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:54:21
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I am not a fan of Cherry. I change the channel every time he comes on.
People are asking "why then do so many people watch him" because human nature is to follow consistency. People in Canada are used to tuning into Cherry after the first period of the first game on Saturday.
Lots of people don’t see anything wrong with Cherry because they have watched him there entire life. Sometimes it is nice to step back and view from the outside. Then you may bring yourself up to the year 2009. I had to leave AB (1 year before the recession) to be able to see the hurt that province is in because of the recession. My buddies in AB still think they are fine. Same as Cherry just step back (ignore him) for a while and create your own theory’s from a 2009 standard.
I hope this is his last year. Funny show he is on though. One guy knows everything about todays hockey, one guy knows very little about todays hockey and they reverse there rolls. When CBC was going to dump ron macLean the nation went into an uproar, when it is Cherry's turn I say send him out on a high horse because he did do a lot for hockey but he never advanced through the years. We have come a long way as a nation but Cherry remains the same. Sad really.
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MSC
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 13:01:08
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So you know that guest0302 was in the building because he said they weren't booing then anthem they were booing the city of Boston? What does me being from the East Coast have anything to do with anything? Not that I have to defend myself but I've spent more then my fair share of time on both coasts.
An appropriate time to boo the city of Boston would have been during player introductions. I really don't see how you someone can defend how that crowd acted during the anthems. But then again these are the same fans who rioted and looted their own city about this time last year. I guess looking for common sense from them is a futile effort.
Don Cherry's only problem is that he lacks a filter at times. His points and ideas are usually very bang on. As some have mentioned already he isn't pro any nationality or anti any other nationality. He champions a particular style of hockey, it just so happens that the North American players play this style more often then Europeons. I've seen Cherry both talk bad about North Americans and good about Europeons, to say he hates all of one and loves all of the other is just wrong.
Someone already touched on his qualifications to talk about hockey, so I won't rehash that part. But how could you honestly say a Jack Adams winner isn't qualified to pass judgement on players. Seems to me he would have had to have done something right.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 13:34:00
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
Adding fuel to the fire here...
For those of you who support Cherry, and support the booing at the Bell Centre last night, speaks loudly about the class of people supporting Cherry.
Be as Canadian as you want, but you don't boo the NATIONAL ANTHEM of another country...
As for the Sundin, McCabe thing, I didn't know it was possible to use both of them in the same sentence until now? :S
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Dont compare cherry supporters with people who boo the american anthem. Don cherry would NEVER support the booing of a national anthem.
I wasnt comparing how good Sundin and McCabe were as leafs, I was just pointing out the fact that BOTH guys hindered the franchise in their own way, yet the CANADIAN guy is absolutley hated in this town now, while Sundin is still very popular. Its not McCabes fault that JFJ was stupid enough to give him that fat contract, he could have told him to walk. Yet, I find it funny that people in Toronto were screaming "SIGN MCCABE!" at the time. Ditto for Darcy Tucker.
anyways, I think people have a twisted view of what cherry actually stands for, he does support anyone who shows genuine class and respect for hockey. He doesn't like guys who wear face sheilds and think they can act tough out on the ice. He's got a point, I dont like it either. And like beans said, its a fact that for a long time, it was only euros and french canadians who wore visors, its not cherrys fault that they did.
He ripped on ovechkin for acting like a d*** after he scored a goal, big deal. I dont think he ever said anything bad about him being russian or the way he played, actually i beleive he said that OV was the best player in the game and that he should act like it.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 14:33:02
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Complain about him or defend him you've gotta admit he has the ugliest suits
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 05:33:56
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To all the commenters who say "turn the channel when he's on": I do that already.
Commenting on a thread where the whole point is to give your opinion and debate things like this does not preclude doing something about it in real life.
Cherry's an ass in a clownsuit.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 15:22:48
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Slozo, you might be right, but some people enjoy watching the Circus. There is nothing wrong with that.
And just to comment on another post. I think it was Rambo who said that (and I paraphrase) people who support Don Cherry also support the booing of the National Anthem. I don't think a single person on here supported booing the National Anthem. The one guest made the comment that the fans were booing Boston and not the Anthem, but that was the only thing even close to supporting the booing.
I don't think that statement is fair to say. Is generalizing Cherry Fan's into a negative group not the same thing that Cherry does with European players???
Pot calling the kettle black??? |
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Ripley
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 16:23:47
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[brOh, and about his NHL record, do you have any concept about how difficult it is to get in the NHL? 70,000+ kids start playing hockey every year in Canada, the age range of players is from 18 - 40 more or less, so 22 years of new players times 70,000 = 1.54 million people. Only about 750 players are in the NHL. Approx 60% of them are Canadian, or 450 players. That's about 1 kid in 3,420 who start playing actually make it into the NHL. Pretty good odds, all things considered, but still exceptional for Cherry to even get one shift in the NHL. How many shifts have you had? Apparently you believe that time in the NHL = knowledge of the game, so state your credentials.
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Posted - 04/23/2009 : 14:02:22
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| You guys are nuts. CBC has pep with Cherry, i'd hang myself if i had to listen to Pierre McGuire more than i have to already. |
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/23/2009 : 22:19:53
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Don Cherry would never supprt the booing of the national anthem. Neither would I, and I love Don Cherry.
There are two kinds of people: ones who understand where Cherry is coming from and who watch him all the time (and get the act), and people who only hear soundbites or read snippets in the paper and make judgements based on nothing.
He's right about a lot of stuff, including the comments people who don't pay attention call racist.
Racists don't come to tears when a French Canadian is killed in Afghanistan. Patriots do. |
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 02:54:34
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| Disappointingly, he is both. |
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 05:12:55
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Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 05:37:18
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Disappointingly, he is both.
One other question, how is he a Canadian Icon? Your saying that we as a people, we look up to a chubby guy in crazy suits (though they are nice)? What happened to Delaire, Trudeau (with the exception of Petro Canada), Suzuki, these are people we should consider iconic...not to mention, the only reason he's on TV is because we pay him? That's right, your tax money pays the CBC, who then pay him, so we can pass as much judgment on him as we want!
And again, respect to slozo
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:07:36
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| Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods. |
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MSC
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:22:33
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| I chubby guy? I'd say he's in pretty remarkable shape for a guy his age. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:35:14
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MSC...you should see him from the side, not the front, he's got a nice big beer belly going lol
Racism doesn't necessarily have to be "hating another race". It's as simple as discriminating against another culture and/or race based on cultural differences or personal beliefs and values lol...racism or discrimination, similar things that can still be used to describe Cherry. All of you have to admit that he had discriminated against French Canadians, European's, and here's something that will blow this right up, has he ever focussed on non-white families? lol...if you followed him, only white kids play at the grass roots level. He would rather talk about a goon North American player over an elite scoring European any day. Give credit where credit is do. He doesn't, again, it's all about the good ol' Canadian kids. If he really wants to "guide" kids, stop teaching them to be punks on the ice and teach them to play with dignity and respect. I've seen it in Whitby, they've banned hitting in their minor league system based on the fact of too many kids getting serious injuries simply because of the whole "hit back harder" factor.
And can someone please explain why he is a Canadian Icon????
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andyhack
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:55:38
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The word "icon" really has nothing to do with whether a person does good or bad things. It's about attention/fame to a degree that stamps that person's image into people's minds forever.
No matter what side you come down on liking or not liking Cherry, there is absolutely no doubt that he is an "Canadian Icon".
I happen to like him overall. Why? He is a character, funny at times, VERY qualified to talk about hockey players having coached and taken teams very (painfully ) far a number of times in the playoffs (Rambo - your post is WAY off on that point) and basically (in my view) a good-hearted person.
Do I disagree with him a fair bit and realize that he has a dose of Archie Bunker in him? Sure! But this is far from an evil guy we are talking about. You want to call him a "racist" go ahead, but then we have to get in a whole talk about how there are racists and then there are racists.
Anyway, one day we will wake up and he will be gone. Some of you obviously won't miss him. I will.
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:58:42
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Originally posted by slozo
Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Nah, I prefer assuming everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant. 
Seriously, though, I think the problem is that some people have not ever been around what Grapes would refer to as "old time hockey", when men were men. I understand this is a different era, but it doesn't mean he (or I) have to like it.
Everytime a European hockey player gets clipped by a little high stick and falls to the ice like he has been shot, remember this post, and ask yourself if it is real or imagined.
Do Canadians do it too? Yes, they do. Since Europeans have populated the NHL, they have.
Europeans have changed the game. Some would argue for the better. I would argue against that. They bring a soccer mentality to a sport that is more pure when played in a North American style.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule (both ways), but I'm talking in generalities.
And if you are a fan of the game, and have watched it evolve over the past 30 years as I have, you know what I (and Don) are saying is 100% correct. It just doesn't sound nice.
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 08:48:17
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Originally posted by Guest1050
Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods.
Do you still have your Dictionary. Don Cherry is a bigot. |
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Guest6196
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 08:50:17
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Originally posted by slozo
Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Best comments yet.
respect to slozo |
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 17:44:01
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Originally posted by Guest6196
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Originally posted by Guest1050
Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods.
Do you still have your Dictionary. Don Cherry is a bigot.
You, sir, are not qualified to judge. I could call you a bigot. Does it make it true? |
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/24/2009 : 17:50:09
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
So he's a senile old man, who played one shift in the NHL. Failed to record a point, hit, fight or even shot. So why is he qualified to pass judgment on players? Correction...if you are dense enough to listen to him, all Canadian players are god, and everyone else is s***. So Crosby isn't the best in the league, Malkin and Ovechkin battle for that title now. Rather then rag on Ovechkin, Cherry should praise him. Ovechkin scores, and when he gets hit, he hits back....harder. Unlike some players that cry to Super Mario and the ref...**cough...Crosby** If Ovechkin was born in Canada, Cherry would be willing to marry him, but because he's Russian, he's public enemy #1! As a Canadian, I'm ashamed that Cherry is even on the CBC (Tax payer funded station). Cherry's also one of the greatest Canadians ever???? WTF happened there? So Cherry should live with the fact that European players can dominate just as much as North American players, simple as that. You could go on and on about how full of s*** Cherry is, but pretty sure the servers can't handle that much.
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Cherry is not qualified to judge players because of his lack of NHL experience.
What experience do you have that makes you qualified to judge Crosby, Cherry, or anyone?
Let me answer. None.
Oh wait, I am sure you have brother in the NHL or something. Well, I have a friend in the NHL. He plays for the Wild. And he thinks you are full of crap. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/25/2009 : 15:11:49
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Let's look for just a second as the definitions (from dictionary.com)of what people are calling Don Cherry.
racist
adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
big#8901;ot#8194; #8194;
–noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
dis#8901;crim#8901;i#8901;na#8901;tion#8194; #8194;
–noun 1. an act or instance of discriminating.
2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.
xen#8901;o#8901;pho#8901;bi#8901;a#8194;
–noun an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
The interesting thing behind this is that NOTHING I have ever heard Don Cherry say fits into any of these definitions.
The simple fact of the matter is that HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE OF PLAY FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD. That's actual. Players from Europe play a specific style (for the most part) based on their coaching. Same with different areas of Canada and the US.
He is not saying anything negative about the PEOPLE, he talks about the way people play the game.
Now, does this definition fit Don Cherry?? It does to me.
pa#8901;tri#8901;ot#8194; #8194;
–noun 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 04/25/2009 : 19:45:33
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Originally posted by Beans15
The simple fact of the matter is that HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE OF PLAY FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD. That's actual. Players from Europe play a specific style (for the most part) based on their coaching. Same with different areas of Canada and the US.
He is not saying anything negative about the PEOPLE, he talks about the way people play the game.
Now, does this definition fit Don Cherry?? It does to me.
Really well put.
Like Cherry, I love a style of play that could be described as North American, and I dislike the European style of play. That is misunderstood by people who really don't know the difference, because they don't see it or don't have the background in the game to "get it".
Think CFL/NFL. If you don't like the CFL game, are you anti-Canadian? If you think 3 downs is the way to go, are you therefore anti-American?
The problem is that the North American and the European game are often in conflict with what guys like me call "the code". The no-diving, no over-celebrating, no faking an injury in order to draw a penalty, no punching someone with no visor and then hiding behind yours code. Therefore, game differences appar more personal, and thus draw these ridiculous "racism" comments, again, by people who don't know enough about the different styles of the game to recognize the differences. |
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Antroman
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Posted - 04/26/2009 : 08:40:29
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| Great Explanation Flyguy, Don is just a little bit full of himself and this conflicts with the fact he is getting up there in years. He has been a good embassador for the game and a Mighty Maple's supporter for the most part over many years. Sadly, I have to also admit he has become a real dinosaur and his on air demeanor where once at least interesting and amusing, has now become almost hard to watch. I especially dislike his rude manner toward Ron McLean these days. For some reason it just doesn't seem funny like it used to. I really hate to say it but I think it is pretty much time to bow out as gracefully as you can Mr. Cherry. Time waits for no one!!! |
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Don Cherry...Racist? Or Canadian Icon? 
