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Guest1204
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 Posted - 05/06/2009 : 19:46:03
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| wow really.. the call at th e end of game 2 when the game was already decided.. as opposed to a call in a tie game .. what a whiner.. caps suck.. LETS GO PENS!! |
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 05:01:01
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I am glad that everyone got the point I was making - Crosby is a whiner, he sucks, all he gets are garbage goals - OV rulz! 
That's sarcasm, btw.
1. Standing in front of the net getting rebounds and abuse is not the same as going hard to the net. Guess which one I said Crosby shouldn't HAVE to do on a Pens team that needs him as playmaker? (last night they did this better, and look at the result)
2. If Semin, Backstrom, Green have been terrible . . . how have the Caps been winning - is it just the stellar play of Federov? In my opinion, Backstrom and Green have been fine, and Semin has had a few chances to score but hasn't really turned it on, no. Terrible is a grand overstatement, especially for Green, who has been playing very solid D for them, and Backstrom, who has often been dangerous on the rush.
3. A high stick to the face of a goalie should be called WHENEVER IT HAPPENS - be it a close game, last minute of a blow-out, etc. The Pens got away with one in game 2.
4. A garbage goal is when you stand in front of the crease to create traffic and obstruction for the goaltender, someone shoots the puck, and you try and whack away at rebounds or better yet, the shot caroms off your ass and into the net. Banking it off the goaltender from behind the netso that your teammate receives the puck with an open net to shoot at - that is a pretty skillful play, actually.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 08:39:17
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Ok. Here we go.
1. I dont really think its a big deal if crosby was standing in front and got a couple garbage goals and other guys on the team didn't. They were parked there, the bounces just didnt go their way in games 1 and 2. Varlamov was awesome and it seemed like only sid could get it done, so he kept going back for more. Why wouldnt he?
2. I only said that Green way terrible, backstrom and semin werent really producing the same way malkin and guerin werent producing for the pens. It was Greens sloppy coverage in front of the net that led to at least 2 crosby goals. All in all, the support players on either team really havent been horrible, they were just extremley overshadowed by the crosby/ov show.
3. They sure did.
4. Crosby banking a bouncing puck out of midair is a pretty skilled play as well. Not to mention he put it off the side of Varlamovs head and in the net. Does that qualify as a 'garbage' goal? Its pretty skillful if you ask me. The backstrom goal off the back of fleury was a great play because OV realized that Staal had him covered on the point. So what does he do? he does what all great players do, he moves into open ice. he sets up the play and backstrom slams home the rebound.
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Guest6228
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 12:06:55
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GOALIES: Fleury is the better goalie by far. Both goalies are great, but fleury is faster quicker and controlls rebounds way better. pitts just has to shoot more pucks on his pads rather than up top in his glove.
DEFENCE: advantage pitt. ya sure washington has green, but gonchar was the 4th highest scoring defencemen last yr and this yr he was injured. He also has sp much expericence compared to green and others. letang has developed well enough to replace witneys skill and the other guys are physical.
FORWARDS: advantage washington, obviously pits has malkin and crosby.
but in this series crosby and ovie have been equal. malkin has disapeared. washington's overall forward line up is better.
OVERALL: advantage pits ... stanley cup ring!
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Guest3385
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 22:42:30
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You go ahead and take your snipes. and we will keep working harder than you and getting your "garbage" goals. garbage is banking it off the goaltender(backstrom) and getting such a lucky bounce(ovechkin). the one thing that showed in game 3 is what we all have known.. the penguins work harder than the capitals every single nite
This guy actually thinks Crosby's goals in game 2 were better than Ovechkin's. You fail at life. |
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Guest6503
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 01:05:25
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Does it really matter how the puck went in? it still went in and the caps are going to win the series then lose to the canucks in 6 and the canucks are gunna win the cup so it doesn't really matter anyways.   |
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Friend5545
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 01:13:27
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| I must be watching a different series because to me Washington is doing a very good job defensively and Varlamov has been AMAZING! Take game three for example. Sure the Pens beat the Caps but it was because of the defense man and his stupid flamingo block. Varlamov stopped 42/45 shots where as fleury stopped 23/25 and 80% of the shots Varlamov stopped, he had to move to get them. I hope you can tune into the series I am watching because its been a great one. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 08:24:32
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This series has been awesome no doubt about it. Varlamov looks like he is going to steal it for the caps, he has been outstanding. I still think Crosby and OV have been cancelling each other out with their fine play and equal totals in points and it is going to come down to Malkin vs every support player Washington has. If Malkin can produce 1 or 2 points in the remaining games it should go pitts way. If varlamov stones him, and backstrom or whoever come through for the caps it will be their series
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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MSC
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Posted - 05/10/2009 : 09:33:43
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| Hello??? It's so quiet out there. I can't hear the Ovechkin flock anywhere. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 06:52:48
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hahaha i love it. Show em how its done Sid. OV may have the flash, but Sid gets his team deep in the playoffs.
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Posted - 05/11/2009 : 18:38:26
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I would just like to state here, in between the third period and overtime of this most exciting and crazy game, that I would absolutely love to see a game 7 - not because I am especially cheering for the Caps, but really, I just want another game of cardiac-arrest type drama!
Side observation: Federov, in his later years playing with talents like Ovechkin and Backstrom and Semin, has really impressed me. The old guy still has it, and he still has the moves. I'd call him as the guy to end it from the Caps side.
On the Pens side - Staal (and his line) have played solid hockey this game, best third line in hockey. I'll call Staal to get it if it's the Penguins.
Hopefully not, would love to see a 7th !
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 05:26:20
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Hmm . . . so quiet in Pittsburgh after that OT winner, where's the Crosby flock?
Seriously, this is a made for TV hockey series if there ever was one, and it almost looks scripted at this point, it's getting ridiculous. The only thing that could really top it all off is if Crosby and Ovechkin both get hattricks, but for one of them it's the OT winner in game 7.
I have to think it will be a game more similar to Washington's last game 7, a tight low-scoring affair. I suppose I'd give the slight edge to Washington here because it's on home ice, but really, it's a coin flip. Ok then - heads Washington, tails Pittsburgh.
Heads!
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 07:16:29
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Oh boy what a game! I really thought that Pitt was going to take it. Quite frankly, as good as Varlamov was, the only reason Washington got to OT was Hal Gill. Jesus Hal, those 2 goals in 29 seconds were both on terrible gaffs on your part!
He left his man open in front for the deflection, than (why was he still on the ice?!) he blocks fleurys path to the far post by skating through the crease behind fleury! Wow, you would think he was still playing for the Leafs!
This has been my favorite series so far, and i am excited to see it go 7. I would like to see Crosby really cement himself as a leader and the best Canadian in the NHL, but I hafta go with the Caps in game 7. OV is going to be a monster tommorow night. Last night was Pitts golden opportunity. Stranger things have happened, and Pitt may win, but it looks like washingtons for the taking. (Gonchar would look nice on the blueline right now...thanks ov!)
Washington vs Carolina - Detroit vs Chicago anyone?
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MSC
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 10:09:17
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BOOOOOO!!!!!!
Pens D let them down, big time. Screening the goalie, stick checks instead of body checks, deflections, setting picks on their own goalie, etc, etc, etc.
I'm not on either the Crosby or Ovechkin flock (although being in Ovechkins flock isn't an option for me). But if we were comparing the two in the game yesterday and ignore the final outcome Crosby was by far and away the superior player. Especially in the third period. I don't think I've ever seen a more invisible 3 point performance then Ovechkins last night. I actually laughed out loud when they showed the highlights (end of third going into OT I believe) of Ovechkin loosing the puck, shooting into defenders, missing the net, turning and firing wrist shots from the blue line, etc...
I'm tempted to believe that if Gonchar is in the lineup yesterday the series is over today.
The final game will be a toss up I agree. History would say Washington has the advantage because of home ice. But history also said:
1. Fleury doesn't lose in OT
2. Pitts was at home
3. Pitts never loses in OT to Was
History was proved wrong last night.
It will be a good game though either way.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:29:08
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I think that hit bothered OV as much as Gonchar. Either that or Pens are checking him well. He really did seem set back in his game last night. I think that might be the reason Cap's won last night too though. As much attention as both Semin and Ovie have been getting the rest of the team decided to show up last night. Great game for Kozlov and Fedorov.
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Guest4271
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 05:25:20
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| Caps vs Pens, Ovechkin vs Crosby, game seven winner take all. I cant remember last time i was so excited to see a game. This is going to be good! |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 05:30:47
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PIT - 3 WAS - 5
Ovie: 2G 2A
Sid: 1G 2A
Ovechkin will score the winner, Kozlov will add an empty netter to ice it.
"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford |
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 06:22:21
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Well, although I predicted the Caps on a coin flip (lol) I am not so sure about Ovechkin's performance in this coming game 7. He played very . . . uneven in the last game 7, same as the game 7 against Philly the year before (I remember that game well as it was a real barn-burner). Semin has started to play better though, and Backstrom has played very well the whole time for the Caps. Washington's D needs to play a whole lot tighter next game.
I know who will be bringing it for the Caps though - Federov. Every "must-win" game the Caps have played, he has been playing his very best, even shifting onto defence at one point I remember. Like I said, I have a renewed respect for that guy's game.
4-2 with the empty netter. Backstrom and Federov with a goal and assist each, Crosby with at least one of the goals for the Pens, Malkin pointless.
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Guest2809
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 06:26:44
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| Hey Hanley6, VARLAMOV has let in 21 goals in 6 games not 7! Where do you get your facts from or are you just guessing at this and trying to make some type of point that you can't back up??? Varlamov has looked less than ordianary since game 2. As long as Pittsburgh keeps peppering him with shots he will let out tons rebounds and tons 2nd scoring chances. I think Pittsburgh will take it for the most part cuz they've been there before and against Philly they finished them off on the road after falling down 3-0 in the game! |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 08:46:18
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Washington wins if Varlamov steals the show, otherwise this game is Pitts. I feel that pitt has been the better team in the series overall, and it should be over if it wasnt for varlamovs amazing performance.
It comes down to goaltending tonight, forget crosby vs ovechkin. Tonight, it is Varlamov vs Fleury. Whoever lets in a softie will lose.
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hanley6
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 16:52:52
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| if you want to bring it down to goaltending, Washington should have won this in 4 games... Fleury hasn't been impressive at all. Varlamov has been on fire |
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Posted - 05/13/2009 : 19:44:20
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Let me be the first to comment after the game: congrats to Sid the Kid, and to Fleury - awesome game. Unheralded D as well played a very, very good game 7 tonight for Pittsburgh.
I know everyone might jump on Varlamov for this night, but I can't say too much about the third and fourth goals - hard, perfect shots that I frankly felt were deserved goals n anyone at that level. Washington's D was the one who s*** the bed this night . . . and again, I don't place that much blame on Green - I blame him for the offensive failings, though - it was just a porous defence all around. Ovechkin played uneven as predicted. I didn't see Federov as predicted though, and Malkin played a lot better than expected.
What can you say? We got spoiled in this series, and with such high expectations, we got a big letdown in a bit of a stinker of a game overall. Too bad, but c'est la vie.
Pens/Bruins will be a great series, I'll get over this game quickly enough
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Guest4271
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 02:43:17
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| When was the last time you ever seen Ovie throw a good, clean check??? NEVER, he the only one that can leave his feet everytime, and not get a penalty ever. Can't wait to see him get rocked that way, and see what happens to the other guy....... can we say suspension. The NHL is turning into a joke, as its stars can't do anything wrong, lmao. |
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kingwoody2
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 06:06:33
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Both Crosby and Ovechkin played awesome this series and both are great players.
But Crosby has now proved he is a better clutch player. He was dominant tonight.
Penguina are gonna win it all |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 07:55:16
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Sidney Crosby = the best
OV can have all the INDIVIDUAL awards he wants, when it comes to carrying a team to the promised land, i'll take Sid any day of the week.
Lets go Pens!!!
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MSC
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 08:36:10
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Originally posted by Guest4271
When was the last time you ever seen Ovie throw a good, clean check??? NEVER, he the only one that can leave his feet everytime, and not get a penalty ever. Can't wait to see him get rocked that way, and see what happens to the other guy....... can we say suspension. The NHL is turning into a joke, as its stars can't do anything wrong, lmao.
There was one check last night in particular that stuck out to me. I must have been the only one to see it or I'm flat out going crazy because none of the announcers mentioned it at all. If I'm not mistaken it was right after the 5th goal. The puck was in Washingtons zone and there was a 1 on 1 battle for the puck in the corner. While they Pitt and Was players were fighting Ovechkin began charging in from the blue line, the Washington player won the battle and made the outlet pass. Just as the camera started panning towards the neutral zone Ovechkin reached the Pitts player and left his feet for the check. The Pitts player either ducked or side stepped it and Ovechkin took out his own teamate. You could just barely catch this in the corner of the screen. This play really sums up what kind of player he is to me.
The pitts player was involved in a one on one battle and the puck was in his feet. Ovechkin took about 8 strides at full speed. He left his feet for the hit. The puck was already being moved forward and the play was over, this didn't stop him. As far as I was concerned this was nothing more then a frustrated hockey player looking to take his anger out on another player. If he made contact the pitts player would have been lucky to get back up. A clear attempt to injure that failed, but also took out 2 Washington players making their breakout attempt useless.
I really don't know if anyone else caught this and since I was watching the game with the old girl I had no one to verify it.
Let me know, am I crazy or did anyone else pick up on this play? |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 08:56:46
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I saw it, you explained it perfectly. OV tried to take the Pitt players head off with one of the biggest charges i've ever seen. Instead he almost destroyed Backstrom.
People have OV blinders on. He is exciting and all, but he head hunts and trys to hurt people. This is what Crosby said a few months back and everyone just said that crosby was a whiner and a p****.
As soon as the chips were down, OV was nowhere to be found. He started cheating (he spent the whole game at the pens blueline pretty much) and wasn't very effective in either end of the ice.
That glove save by Fleury at the start of the game was the only time I really noticed OV all game. After that, it was all downhill.
This is just the beginning of a very long career for OV and im sure he will be back with a vengance. Caps fans still have PLENTY to look forward to. Consider this a lesson for the caps.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 10:05:53
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Didn't someone mention Ovechkin's physical play with it's mailcious intent somewhere in a debate or something?
Didn't that same someone praise the leadership of Crosby in the same forum? 
OUCH!...I think I sprained something trying to pat my own back....
Ovechkin is a talent, no doubt, but we are starting to see more than a few flaws in his game, that those who have Ovie-fever have been missing.
If Ovechkin only scored 20 goals, the feedback on his physical play would be a wee bit different I think.
I'll give him full credit for handling the media with nothing but class though, a tough series and he handled the defeat admirably. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 10:28:17
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Agreed, OV is a very special player and handled defeat with class.
His game has flaws yes, but the good definatley outweighs the bad by alot. The OV love fest that has been going on since he hit the league by storm is definatley justified, its just that come playoff time all the aspects of a players game get magnified and we saw a couple holes in OVs otherwise flawless game.
All in all though, I dont't think OV could have done much more to help the Caps win. He had an amazing second round and almost won the series himself. Game 7 should have been a team effort, not just everyone on the caps waiting for OV to do it himself, or trying to do it themselves.
As far as the questionable hits he lays out, im still of the opinion that hitting in hockey is really starting to become a joke. Almost every big hit is now followed by questions of suspension and penalty. Anytime someone gets hurt or goes down after a hit, the fans scream bloody murder. It never used to be that way....and I dont like to see it going that way.
OV headhunts and charges sometimes yes, like I mentioned in a previous post, but all in all you've gotta love the physical nature of his game. The check he missed yesterday was born out of frustration, he was trying to spark his club but instead he nearly hurt someone pretty bad and ended up almost hurting his teammate instead.
OV will learn from this and I pray we get to see Crosby vs OV II, maybe things will be different. Maybe not, Crosby is F'n amazing.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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MSC
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 12:17:17
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| It will be different for sure. There won't be a game 7 next time. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 12:58:26
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why do you think that...? just because its not likley?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:07:18
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Its funny reading all the posts during the series, man i love hockey. Things never really turn out the way you think...i laugh when i read my own posts. First I think its going to be Washington taking it on home ice, than a day later i change my mind to pittsburgh lol.
I was right baout one thing though, the goalie that let in the softie lost. Make that, 4 softies lol.
Budreau (sp?) did say that OV and Green were playing hurt, you couldnt really tell that OV was hurt (maybe some of you did, i didnt really..) but Green definatley struggled. I wonder how bad it was.
Gonchar looked pretty good for being a game time decision, i guess russians have heart afterall (hehe, just kidding)
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MSC
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:08:42
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| Pitts was a far better team who ran into a hot goalie. Alot of Washingtons goals never should have happened. Ovechkin alone was given 2 gimme's in the series courtesy Fleury. Pitts also had to make do without their best D-Man for a critical portion of the series. If they beat the odds and play again next year I expect the teams to be quite similar. Barring a repeat performance from Varlamov the series would end in 5. In fact if it wasn't for the Gonchar injury the series would have been over in 6 this year even with the goaltending Washington got. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:32:04
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mmmm... im not so sure that if Gonchar was in game 6 that the pens win. You just never know how different the whole game would have been, for all we know Gonch could have made a gaff and cost the pens the game even before OT. Im sure alot of the other D on the pens stepped up their game because Gonchar was out. If he is in, maybe they don't play the same way and get to OT.
Then again you could be right..... ifs ands or buts i guess...
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MSC
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Posted - 05/14/2009 : 13:50:29
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| I can promise Gonchar wouldn't have cut through his own goalies crease blocking him from making a save. |
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Guest4271
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 02:36:09
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| What wiil happen when someone lines up OV and hurts him, like he does to others???? I'll tell you, Mr. Campbell and Betman, will yell bloody murder and suspend this person........would be lifetime ban for Avery......... |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 08:21:44
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There is no doubt that OV would get away with a hit that someone like Scott Hartnell would get suspended for. None.
Gonchar may not have been on the ice...
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Hustler90
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 15:13:05
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for those of you who say Fleury has the edge over Varlamov because of experience, its crap, you cant base it on experience it must be based on performance. Performance is the key to success not experience you can play good one year and play like crap the next
I realize this is after the series, but hanley, your very unintelligent, Fleury is a way better goalie, and in the end experience was probably the difference. Varlamov choked in game 7, Fleury makes an amazing save on Ovechkin because with his experience he knows how to handle pressure, where Varlamov has not faced such a situation. Varlamov did play an outstanding series, but when it was crunch time, he failed. |
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fly4apuckguy
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Posted - 05/15/2009 : 23:48:04
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Originally posted by Guest9844
This is a dream series, and I'm soooo stoked to watch every game. Now all the Crosby lovers will see that Ovechkin is truly the best player in the NHL.
Washington in Game 7.
Ovechkin lays out Crosby several times.
I'm just wondering how this turned out for you...
Can you say "owned"?
Ovechkin was excellent, don't get me wrong, but Crosby proved why he is the real deal in this series.
I am so happy this happened. Those of us that watch and admire what Sid (more quietly than Ovy) does on a night to night basis have had to sit by and listen to this kind of garbage for too long.
Long after Ovechkin's glass-jumping and hotdogging has gone by the wayside (is he going to do that until he's 35 - not likely), Crosby will still be helping his team win Cups, and the few Ovechkin fans left will be saying how he should have scored more points, how he should have won more Cups, and how he should have gotten into the Hall of Fame ahead of Sid.
Ovechkin - great player. Sid - great leader and teammate. |
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