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Alex116
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Matt_Roberts85
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 Posted - 08/10/2009 : 07:54:12
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Another move that will be analyzed to death.... long story shot, here was a guy who underacheived with the lofty expectations placed on him (unfairly) and needed a fresh start. He didnt want to start for the marlies again and wasnt going to get any ice time with the big club. Burke told him he'd try to find him a new home and he did. We got a conditional pick back that is based on his performance.
Good luck Justin.
Another peice from the JFJ era gone.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 08:26:05
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| Well said Matt.....looks like Burke is trying to help him out and had no plans for him in TO. Still a young kid, could rebound with a new organization and if he does, it's one of those deals that critics will say the Leafs screwed up but IMO that'd be unfair. It's easy to look at these deals years later and say that but the Leafs have chosen to go another route, so be it. As much as i don't like Burke, i applaud him for doing this as he could have let the kid sit in the minors for another year or two and see if he developed, something that wouldn't have sat well with Pogge. I too wish the kid well..... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 11:07:14
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Oh, but it wasn't long ago that this Pogge Kid was the messiah and was on the brink of being one of the elite, top 5 goalies in the NHL.
What happened to that??
It's not a fresh start, it's dropping dead weight. Burke realized, like the rest of us without Blue tinted glasses, that Pogge's max potential is a below average back up goalie. The kid just doesn't have it.
Smart move by Burke. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 13:30:11
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F'n eh Beans. The blue tinted glasses took over all of leafs nation when it came to Pogge. You have to admit though, the leafs just happen to be lucky enough to draft the WJC Gold medal winning, WJ tourny MVP, WHL player of the year and Memorial cup champ goalie who doesnt pan out.
There was strong reason to beleive that this guy would be the goalie of the future for the leafs. Once you got to see him play at the pro level, things changed quickly. Many members of Leaf nation changed their tune on Pogge as early as 2 years ago, and many more jumped on that bandwagon last year.
What many failed to realize is that playing pro hockey in toronto is a whole different animal to playing junior out in alberta. Expectations were criminally high and his performance wasnt even close to matching.
So yea, good move by Burke. Hopefully leafs nation learns something from this... (probably not) and they dont think that DiDomineco, Dale Mitchell or someone like that is going to be the franchise savior we are all hoping for.
amen beans
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Axey
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 13:59:32
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| Giggy will be gone before season start I'm guessing. Pogge still has a chance to become a good goalie at the NHL level, the TO organization is just not a good organization to start your career in (Pressure, bad team, etc). Plain and simple he wasn't given a chance and maybe he didn't deserve it but now with a new start comes new confidence and a chip on his shoulders about his last performance. |
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 14:35:45
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A conditional draft pick, eh?
Good luck Pogge! Hopefully you play a bunch of games for Anaheim and the Leafs get a decently high pick out of it.
Well, even if that doesn't happen, and Pogge only plays a half dozen games and spends the rest of the time in the minors (my guess), we'll still get a 2nd or third rounder out of him. Fair enough, I suppose.
This is why I never get too excited about prospects . . . until you see them at the NHL level, you just never know.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 14:47:10
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Originally posted by Beans15
Oh, but it wasn't long ago that this Pogge Kid was the messiah and was on the brink of being one of the elite, top 5 goalies in the NHL.
What happened to that??
It's not a fresh start, it's dropping dead weight. Burke realized, like the rest of us without Blue tinted glasses, that Pogge's max potential is a below average back up goalie. The kid just doesn't have it.
Smart move by Burke.
I disagree. I still think it's a fresh start for the kid, meaning, i don't think he's done as an NHL goalie. Some goalies take to their mid-late 20's to develop at the top level. Why's nobody heard of this "Monster" guy before? Was he ever drafted when he was younger? If he's so good, why was he not drafted, or at least on someone's radar until this past stellar season of his? Was he a late bloomer maybe?
All i'm saying is that IMO it's a little early to write off a kid who's got that sort of resume and had to begin his career in a pressure cooker of a city behind a rather weak defense. In no way am i trying to say i'm smarter than Burke and if i had to wager on it, i'd say he'll end up a starter at some point somewhere but will never develop into the star that the Leaf fans were hoping for. Could see him ending up being similar to Manny Fernandez earlier in his career playing in a "platoon" role with another goalie?
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 14:58:28
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| He will likely be the typical TO prospect who blossoms after they are traded away from the center of hockey Universe. Look at Jason Smith. The guy showed nothing for TO then blossomed into a stellar Dman and team leader with the Oil. |
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Rambo2305
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 05:26:24
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So we all know he won't be playing alot of minutes with the Ducks anytime soon. With Hiller and J.S. already occupying the 1 and 2 spots respectively. Pogge's hoping for an injury.
Either way, underachieved in T.O...whether or not he should have been the poster boy of the "Future Leafs", still arguable. All in all, good luck in Anaheim...
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 13:53:06
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Originally posted by Axey
Giggy will be gone before season start I'm guessing. Pogge still has a chance to become a good goalie at the NHL level, the TO organization is just not a good organization to start your career in (Pressure, bad team, etc). Plain and simple he wasn't given a chance and maybe he didn't deserve it but now with a new start comes new confidence and a chip on his shoulders about his last performance.
wrong wrong wrong. First of all, the guy couldnt even play well in the AHL. Don't blame the Leafs for his inability to stop pucks at the minor league level. The Marlies made the conference finals despite the fact that Coach Greg Gilbert had no confidence in pogge at all, and went with Scott Clemmensson.. They wouldn't have even made it past the first round with Pogge (imo). Im too lazy to get the exact numbers right now, but im quite confident that he never had a sv % over 900 and his GAA was always in the 3 range. Those numbers are not indicitive of a future NHL starting goalie. Hell, its not even good enough for backup...
He had a chance with the Leafs last year to show that he had any glimmer of hope left at all. In 7 games he was absolutley shelled in every one of them except for the first game against Atlanta. Ron Wilson had to call him over to the bench during one of the games and tell him to wake the F up and ask him if he is ready to play yet.
I'll bet that we pretty much never hear about Pogge again and he dissapears in california.
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hanley6
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 14:55:33
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the way I see it anything for Pogge is a good deal
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
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kingwoody2
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 05:22:55
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| Should of traded Pogge for Raycroft, instead of Raask |
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 06:02:20
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| It's pretty sad (though hindsight is 20/20) that when we had Pogge and Rask, Toronto was thought to have the best goalie prospects in the league. And in the end we ended up paying a guy to leave the team and a conditional draft pick (3rd-6th in 2011)... ouch. |
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redneck76ca
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Posted - 08/21/2009 : 14:21:41
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Originally posted by Guest9838
It's pretty sad (though hindsight is 20/20) that when we had Pogge and Rask, Toronto was thought to have the best goalie prospects in the league. And in the end we ended up paying a guy to leave the team and a conditional draft pick (3rd-6th in 2011)... ouch.
This is why they are called prospects. Think about the prospects that haven't panned out... Daigle, Wickenheiser, Falloon etc etc |
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