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brentrock2
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 Posted - 09/19/2009 : 16:05:41
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Poll Question:
Who do you think won the Kessel trade?
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Edited by - brentrock2 on 09/19/2009 16:07:23
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brentrock2
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 16:09:15
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Pretty much both won but I think Toronto won by a small margin.
HABS RULE!!
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Leafs81
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 16:47:52
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| We still have to wait and see. But right now for the needs of each teams. Both won. |
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 17:55:51
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i agree leafsfan81, we wont be able to truly know who won this trade until after kessel starts to play with the leafs.
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 09/19/2009 : 21:15:43
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At this moment Toronto has won this trade by a landslide. How did Boston get what they wanted? They lost a 40 goal scorer, yeah thats what every team wants, while there at it do they wanna get rid of Savard for picks? or Chara? cause I would love to see those guys on the Canucks. Sure boston got some picks but who knows if those picks will ever turn into NHL stars, which Kessel already is.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Guest2756
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 03:54:54
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| Boston didn't get what they wanted. They wanted to keep Kessel but unfortunatly they HAD to get rid of him or someone else for cap space. They couldn't trade for a player of any signicance so draft picks was it. Under the circumstance they did alright in getting 2 first and 1 second round pick. I am sure if there was no cap, Kessel would still be a bruin. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 07:45:00
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Of course Boston didn't want to lose Kessel, but they indirectly pushed him away by the other signings they did this year and not leaving themselves the cap room. That being said, Boston wanted to get something for Kessel and they couldn't take salary back.
From that persepctive, Boston got as much out of Kessel as they possibly could. 2-1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. Short term, absolutely TO take it. But we'll talk again in 4ish years when those draft picks are player(or maybe not playing).
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Leafs81
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 13:43:12
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Originally posted by Beans15
Of course Boston didn't want to lose Kessel, but they indirectly pushed him away by the other signings they did this year and not leaving themselves the cap room. That being said, Boston wanted to get something for Kessel and they couldn't take salary back.
From that persepctive, Boston got as much out of Kessel as they possibly could. 2-1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. Short term, absolutely TO take it. But we'll talk again in 4ish years when those draft picks are player(or maybe not playing).
Well said Beans!! They had to lose Kessel and they got draft pick to compensate. And if a team would have done an offer sheet, and Boston wouldn't have match it they would have got a first, a second and a third round draft pick. So the deal Brian Burke offered them is better. And Kessel didn't want to deal with Boston anymore so they were gonna lose him anyway. So they got the most they could get under those circumstances. |
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Guest4271
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 15:03:08
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| Thats all very true Beans. But if they had signed Kessel first then we would be having this same conversation about Krecji or Rask/Thomas or possibly Lucic next year. They just can't have everyone. |
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Axey
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 22:07:44
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| TO is going down the same path as always, trading away picks for players. 36 goals isn't bad... 60 pts isn't exactly worth 2 1st round picks and a 2nd. Kessel is good and young but I think TO will be the loser in the long run like always. |
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brentrock2
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 02:13:43
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He's a good goal scorer(36g)and 60 points and that is good.Kessel is young, has some speed and some skill to. So I think Toronto won by a small margin, just by a bit.
HABS RULE!!
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Edited by - brentrock2 on 09/21/2009 02:14:22 |
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 04:44:20
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I think it was pretty even, actually. Just like Ottawa who was also in a bit of a tight spot to deal a player (although in this case Boston put themselves in their own predicament), they got very good return on their player.
To add to what Beans said though, and it's something that can't be forgotten, is that in the end, Boston didn't want to lose a player of Kessel's ability to anyone, and especially to a division opponent. That is the reason why Burke had to overpay a bit for Komisarek, and why he had to put in two first rounders for Kessel instead of giving the offer sheet with only one. He wanted to make darn certain he got him, without any chance he would slip away to Nashville or another team.
I think both teams win for right now, because looking at the "potential", it's about even. We'll only really know who won in the end when we find out how Boston's picks turn out, and when we see how Kessel's career turns out in the blue and white.
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Guest7752
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 06:53:06
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TORONTO WINS BY A LARGE MARGIN.
Kessel has proven he can play in the NHL & play at elite level - the picks are just that.. picks or prospects.
PLUS - Boston's traded him to divisional competitor. That's an immediate HUGE impact.
By the way - this has nothing to do with Burke's "amazing" skills - Boston did not have cap space for him, not many other teams have cap space either for him. So with Toronto overpaying for him, they get him. If burke was a little smarter and more patient - the deal may have cost him less... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 10:54:06
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I agree that trades within divison is dangerous and it's a great point. In this case, I don't think that Boston is too concerned with this trade making TO a better team today than Boston is. However, i the long run it might come back to bite them.
And I just don't see the logic in this TO wins by a Large Margin??? Sure, those draft picks might turn out to be Alexander Daigle, Pat Falloon, and Patrik Stephan type picks. However, the might also turn out to be Alex Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin, and Mike Richards type picks. If that is the case, then who wins??? |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 10:55:18
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Well, I must admit im still pretty nervous about this trade.
While still 21 with a potentially bright future ahead of him, this is a guy that has already had cancer, suffered mono last year and is still recovering from shoulder surgery. It has a very high risk attached to it.... more than I am confortable with.
If Kessel can be in the 35-40 goal range for the most part of his tenure in blue and white and help the team become a perenial post season club again than its worth it, assuming the 2 1sts turn out to be more like Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiacovo and not Luke Schenn and Nazem Nadri.
It is nice to finally have a bonifide first line player and a sniper though... Also, he will be returning in November, when the games count. Right Howard berger?
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brentrock2
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 11:56:41
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Kessel signed a five year, $27 million dollar deal which is great for this guy. Aproximately a 35-40 goal scorer, a young and fast player and great skills with the puck. I think he will have a grand time in Toronto!
HABS RULE!!
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Guest0920
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Posted - 09/22/2009 : 17:07:52
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toronto.
bruins lost a huge piece to their team. and toronto doesnt really need the draft picks in the first place. and the bruins cant really do much with it either, considering they will be drafting high anyway. assuming that they will still be first in the conference |
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Alex116
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Posted - 09/22/2009 : 18:21:44
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Originally posted by Guest0920
toronto.
bruins lost a huge piece to their team. and toronto doesnt really need the draft picks in the first place. and the bruins cant really do much with it either, considering they will be drafting high anyway. assuming that they will still be first in the conference
Huh? First off, Toronto in fact DOES need the draft picks. Every organization needs them, some more than others and TO is one in particular that could use them moreso than other teams. As for the Bruins, when you say they'll be drafting high, do you mean "late"? True, as long as they don't completely fall apart, they'll have a late first round pick. However, the pics they aquired are the Leafs and are based on where TO finishes?
Maybe i misread your post? Doesn't make a lot of sense really... |
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Who won the Kessel trade? 
