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pucker
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 11/16/2006 : 10:40:49
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Poll Question:
Who is the greatest European player to play in the NHL?
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Guest4044
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 10:54:17
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| Salming is a contender |
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Guest6385
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 13:49:27
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| I would think Pavel Bure should be a nominee |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 14:03:57
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| As much as I would tend to agree with Pavel Bure being on the list, his career wasn't long enough to be classified as the "greatest European of all-time". While he was an active player though, he was definitely one of the best players on the ice. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 14:51:52
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Man, you had no idea how hard it was for me to chose between Jaromir Jagr and Dominik Hašek. I sat here for 5 straight minutes trying to decide! But I went with Jagr. He was the NHL's leading scorer, and although Hašek's a great goalie, age is catching up with him.
Still though, there are tons of other great Europeans in the NHL (or who used to be in the NHL). Sergei Fedorov, Saku Koivu, Jere Lehtinen, Pavel Bure, Vyacheslav Fetisov, Evgeni Malkin, Alexander Ovechkin, Henrik Lundqvist, Miikka Kiprusoff....OK I'll stop for now  |
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blade
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:14:12
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Hey are Russians considered European? Technically on a map isn't that Asia? just askin'
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Guest4742
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:36:57
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
Man, you had no idea how hard it was for me to chose between Jaromir Jagr and Dominik Hašek. I sat here for 5 straight minutes trying to decide! But I went with Jagr. He was the NHL's leading scorer, and although Hašek's a great goalie, age is catching up with him.
Still though, there are tons of other great Europeans in the NHL (or who used to be in the NHL). Sergei Fedorov, Saku Koivu, Jere Lehtinen, Pavel Bure, Vyacheslav Fetisov, Evgeni Malkin, Alexander Ovechkin, Henrik Lundqvist, Miikka Kiprusoff....OK I'll stop for now
Im sorry but i cant agree with including kiprusoff, malkin or ovechkin in that list because they are so young into their careers to be considered best all time. there has been a lot of players that have been great rookies then died off from there. ive voted for jagr because he has dominated the league every year since he has come into the nhl. second i would have to say is kurri. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 18:49:55
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I am not sure how anyone could put Hasek ahead of Lidstrom. Some could argue that they have been the top in the league in their respective positions. However, Lidstrom has never dissappeared in the playoffs. Hasek has had that Damn nagging groin injury for what, 10 years???
Easily Jagr #1, Lidstrom #2 |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 20:28:29
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Well I'd say nagging groin injury + 6 Vezinas + Stanley Cup = pretty good.
He is definitely worthy of being up there. |
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:42:44
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Pucker, that is an awesome question!
I went with Lidstrom, although that has as much to do with longevity and loyalty as it does with talent.
Personally I think that the European with the greatest amount of talent is Forsberg, but I can't pick him due to his history of injuries which have limited his potential.
Jagr is an amazing player and has scored some of the prettiest goal ever, but I can not and will not pick him simply because he chooses when he is going to be great, and when he is going to pout and play well below his potential, as he often did in Washington, and even towards the end in Pittsburg.
Lidstrom has been nothing short of a rock on the Detroit blueline. He is as gifted as any d-man before him, and won the Norris Trophy three consecutive years - after finishing second for 3 consecutive years. He's won a Conn Smythe, and was the first European to win that award. Heck, he was even second in Lady Byng voting twice (I think.)
He's a stud on the Power Play, is always among the points leaders for defencemen, and is always among league leaders in Plus/Minus. Plus, he logs 28 minutes of ice time a night (give or take a minute).
Those are pretty impressive stats, and I don't know who, out of Europe, can beat them.
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Guest4642
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:55:50
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
Pucker, that is an awesome question!
I went with Lidstrom, although that has as much to do with longevity and loyalty as it does with talent.
Personally I think that the European with the greatest amount of talent is Forsberg, but I can't pick him due to his history of injuries which have limited his potential.
Jagr is an amazing player and has scored some of the prettiest goal ever, but I can not and will not pick him simply because he chooses when he is going to be great, and when he is going to pout and play well below his potential, as he often did in Washington, and even towards the end in Pittsburg.
Lidstrom has been nothing short of a rock on the Detroit blueline. He is as gifted as any d-man before him, and won the Norris Trophy three consecutive years - after finishing second for 3 consecutive years. He's won a Conn Smythe, and was the first European to win that award. Heck, he was even second in Lady Byng voting twice (I think.)
He's a stud on the Power Play, is always among the points leaders for defencemen, and is always among league leaders in Plus/Minus. Plus, he logs 28 minutes of ice time a night (give or take a minute).
Those are pretty impressive stats, and I don't know who, out of Europe, can beat them.
I totally agree. Can you imagine if he could have been healthy for most of his career. Best player in the world when healthy. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:59:13
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Originally posted by blade
Hey are Russians considered European? Technically on a map isn't that Asia? just askin'
Technically Russia is in Europe from its westernmost border to the Urals. The rest is in Asia. And plus there's the Kaliningrad region they own that's right next to Lithuania--that's in Europe too. |
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Guest8977
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 15:12:51
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| Kurri |
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Trevman12
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/12/2006 : 05:56:59
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| Jagr is the best active player. |
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B-rett10
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/12/2006 : 06:00:27
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| Forsberg or Jagr I picked Forsberg! |
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Trevman12
Rookie
Canada
182 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 14:10:52
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| Forsberg can do nothing, he WAS good, but now he's injured all the time. |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
338 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 10:34:39
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Originally posted by B-rett10
Forsberg or Jagr I picked Forsberg!
Forsberg or Jagr?
Jagr easily because forsberg gets hurt every ten games and Jagr doesnt.
Go pens |
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1 Crosby fan
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1454 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 16:49:03
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Originally posted by Beans15
I am not sure how anyone could put Hasek ahead of Lidstrom. Some could argue that they have been the top in the league in their respective positions. However, Lidstrom has never dissappeared in the playoffs. Hasek has had that Damn nagging groin injury for what, 10 years???
Easily Jagr #1, Lidstrom #2
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Guest4785
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Posted - 12/13/2006 : 17:52:46
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I put other for Peter Statsny. For those of you who haven't heard of him, he was the first european to come and play in the NHL and was great at the game. Without him, Jagr, Lidstrom, Sundin might not be playing in the NHL right now.
P.S. That also means no Ovechkin and Malkin. |
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B-rett10
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2006 : 06:08:09
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| good ponit guest! |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
338 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 13:48:49
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Originally posted by Guest4785
I put other for Peter Statsny. For those of you who haven't heard of him, he was the first european to come and play in the NHL and was great at the game. Without him, Jagr, Lidstrom, Sundin might not be playing in the NHL right now.
P.S. That also means no Ovechkin and Malkin.
True
Go pens |
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/14/2006 : 14:09:09
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Originally posted by Guest4785
I put other for Peter Statsny. For those of you who haven't heard of him, he was the first european to come and play in the NHL and was great at the game. Without him, Jagr, Lidstrom, Sundin might not be playing in the NHL right now.
P.S. That also means no Ovechkin and Malkin.
Hate to be all technical, but he wasn't the first European in the NHL. That was Ulf Sterner in 1964, but he only played 3 or 4 games. The first regular European in the NHL was Thommie Bergman.
Nor was Statsny the first great European. That honour would have to fall on Borje Salming, who joined the Maple Leafs in the 73-74 season, 7 years before Statsny came into the league with his brother Anton (he was no slouch either). Younger brother Marion joined them the following season.
I will agree with you on one thing though, Peter Statsny was a helluva a player. I mean, the guy averaged 112 points a season for his first 8 seasons, and finished with 1239 points in 977 games. Not too shabby ! |
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spearbelly
Top Prospect
Canada
98 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 23:18:27
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| [ULTI-MAN........You know what's wrong with you saying Salming was the greatest EURO player ???.....................................ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.......HE may not have been the most talented, but was a great one.He took a s*** kicking from so many players and would pull his beaten bones together to go right back for more .Seems he had to single-handedly refute the "CHICKEN SWEEDE" moniker .He played physical , played injured played with heart, played a very solid defensive game while putting up some decent #s.He portrayed dignity and pride as a LEAF even though knee deep in the Gardens' cesspool of vile with Ballard as the deranged gardener.(pulled too many healthy plants while allowing weeds to flourish)..............as he 'd trudge forward with the task at hand, BORJE's "Sad cow eyes " seemed to be saying "C'MON HAROLD, get some proper gardening tools.......many await a bountifull harvest . ...................And labor on.........would he....................................... |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 12/20/2006 : 07:52:53
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| I would put Lidstrom ahead of Hasek because of his 3 Cups to Hasek's 1. Lidstrom has 3 Norris that does not compare to Hasek's 6 Vezina's (in 8 years too!) Still, Lidstrom has more Cups. |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 01/12/2007 : 11:17:06
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| I agree with you Guest 4785. That's exactly what i thought when i saw the list. Where are the Stastny brothers, specifically Peter. He's definitely worthy of consideration. |
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KariyaSelanne
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
297 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2007 : 10:37:58
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| Where is the Finnish Flash, Teemu Selanne? |
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ryschevy1
Rookie
Canada
186 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 15:37:09
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You guys aren't giving Jari Kurri the respect he deserves! Jari won 4 cups. He had 5 consecutive 100-point seasons, 4 consecutive 50- goal seasons, led the playoffs in goals each time they won the cup, and finished with 1398 career points. He was also the first finnish player inducted into the Hall of Fame. Not many players are ever even gonna come close to those numbers!!! Yes Jagr has 1491 points, which is impressive, but still doesn't have 4 championships on his resume. Jagr is the only one on the list who can even compare with Jari, but i still give Kurri the nod!!!
GO OIL!!! YA!!! |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
538 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 15:46:53
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Where's Hardy Astrum (aka "the sweedish sieve" aka "the guy who cast don cherry his coaching career") hahahahahha
He's apparently the WORST goalie of all-time
I HATE CROSBY |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 17:47:54
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Good. Finally a Swedish goalie I can laugh at. Lundqvist played too friggin' well in the Olympics to help defeat my favored Finns. I still think if Finland had used Kiprusoff instead of Niittymäki they would've won.
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
538 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 19:54:23
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
Good. Finally a Swedish goalie I can laugh at. Lundqvist played too friggin' well in the Olympics to help defeat my favored Finns. I still think if Finland had used Kiprusoff instead of Niittymäki they would've won.
hahahahahha, Don't worry Mik, you could always laugh at Tommy Salo. Remember that goal against Belarus?........However, I think Nittymaki played well in Turin. He was named MVP wasn't he?
I HATE CROSBY |
Edited by - I HATE CROSBY on 01/16/2007 19:55:01 |
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pucker
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 10:58:45
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
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Originally posted by Guest4785
I put other for Peter Statsny. For those of you who haven't heard of him, he was the first european to come and play in the NHL and was great at the game. Without him, Jagr, Lidstrom, Sundin might not be playing in the NHL right now.
P.S. That also means no Ovechkin and Malkin.
Hate to be all technical, but he wasn't the first European in the NHL. That was Ulf Sterner in 1964, but he only played 3 or 4 games. The first regular European in the NHL was Thommie Bergman.
Nor was Statsny the first great European. That honour would have to fall on Borje Salming, who joined the Maple Leafs in the 73-74 season, 7 years before Statsny came into the league with his brother Anton (he was no slouch either). Younger brother Marion joined them the following season.
I will agree with you on one thing though, Peter Statsny was a helluva a player. I mean, the guy averaged 112 points a season for his first 8 seasons, and finished with 1239 points in 977 games. Not too shabby !
Hate to be all technical but Stan Mikita (Slovakian) pre dates Sterner by about 6 years |
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Guest1796
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Posted - 01/30/2007 : 03:51:10
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I voted 'other' for Pavel Bure.
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