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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 10/24/2009 : 22:59:32
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Dirty or not? Looks to me like it was. Nobody ever needs to hit anybody like that.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal.
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lyall
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 23:23:16
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| Clean hit. Shoulder to head. Don't like to see it, but its clean. |
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Guest5337
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 06:22:29
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| Neither like or dislike either team. Love the rough stuff. Have played and coached competitive hockey all my life. Although potentially not malicious intent; that was a dirty hit! |
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Guest5269
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 07:51:41
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| I couldn't totally tell, but did Richards use his elbow? Even if he didn't, a shoulder to the head should still be illegal. |
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Guest9298
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 08:15:43
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| I say dirty - not because of what contact was made, but because of the angle he was coming at him. Total blindside. He approached from BEHIND and just clipped him on his way by. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 08:44:21
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From what I see, the shoulder/elbow was lead directly into the guys head. Not really sure what the rules say about hitting to the head, but I would think this is dirty.
Another head down, hard hit player injured. Like it or not, the NHL will do something about this sooner or later. I would say way sooner if it's Crosby or Ovechkin convulsing on the ice after getting hit like this.
Just throwing this question out.
This is at least the third open ice hit (Phaneuf on Okposo, Mitchell on Toews, and Richards on Booth) where an open ice his resulted in a concussion. So my question:
In the open ice, is a hip check as effective but have a lower potential for injury than the shoulder check???
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Guest0577
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 14:02:41
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hahahahaaaaa bean....
have you ever played hockey??
what kind of idiot would throw a hip check open ice.
hahaha that would have been all over sportcenter |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 14:55:55
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I am starting to wonder when the adage of keep your head up got lost in the shuffle of what is wrong with hockey nowadays...
Firstly, after watching the clip over and over, I think the hit was clean.
These are the kind of hits that happen when a player is too busy perhaps admiring the play he's making, rather than watching what else is going on around him. Not to say Booth had a chance to see the hit coming, as it was a perfectly timed bodycheck from Richards, caught him just as he was dishing the puck off. I would think any time you are on the ice with a notable physical player, you have an idea of where he is at, at all times, and if not...hence the result.
There's the problem if you see it as such. In the aforementioned examples, these were hits that were thrown with precision timing(the exception being the Toews hit, that was just a freaky bit of circumstance), the defender in the other 2 examples, timed their hits perfectly.
Unfortunate that they resulted in injuries, but to ask if they could have let up, or tried a hip check, is just kinda silly, I've stated my argument for it a couple times already. Of course no one wants to see anyone get injured, but when an injury happens on what is currently a check within the rules, that, to not sound too flippant, is part of the game.
All contact sports, All, are going to incure injuries..period.
Could these injuries be avoided? Don't know, a hip check on an unsuspecting player could just as easily break a leg, a rib, or if really delivered with the intent of a hip check, a broken neck as the player would most likely be sent head first to the ice.
Letting up on the check? Again, not the way particular players play, and as a player at the same level as them, it is your responsiblity to know that...
Hokcey IS a violent game, it has beauty and grace, but it also has violence. The only way to avoid injuries would be to take out bodychecking, disallow raising the puck and slaphots, allow no contact with the sticks of any sort, no physical interference of any sort while a player is in motion, etc etc....
Kinda doesn't sound like hockey anymore does it.... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 00:43:22
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I didn't like this one at all. I know there's a grace period of sorts as to when a guy can be hit after dishing off the puck, but to me, this hit is too late. I compare it to a football penalty for hitting a guy once he's already down or out of bounds.
Why is it that Richards was given a major and a game misconduct? The NHL obviously didn't find it malicious as they didn't suspend him? Why'd he get a penalty then?
Either way, i didn't like to see that... |
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 09:29:35
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Looked like a legal hit to me, I've also watched it a few times. head down, same as the other legal ones . . . I didn't see intent to injure here.
Question is, why the penalty and game misconduct? I really think this is a lousy, unneeded call from the refs.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Guest4999
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 11:26:03
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[quote]Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
I am starting to wonder when the adage of keep your head up got lost in the shuffle of what is wrong with hockey nowadays...
Firstly, after watching the clip over and over, I think the hit was clean.
These are the kind of hits that happen when a player is too busy perhaps admiring the play he's making, rather than watching what else is going on around him. Not to say Booth had a chance to see the hit coming, as it was a perfectly timed bodycheck from Richards, caught him just as he was dishing the puck off. I would think any time you are on the ice with a notable physical player, you have an idea of where he is at, at all times, and if not...hence the result.
There's the problem if you see it as such. In the aforementioned examples, these were hits that were thrown with precision timing(the exception being the Toews hit, that was just a freaky bit of circumstance), the defender in the other 2 examples, timed their hits perfectly.
Unfortunate that they resulted in injuries, but to ask if they could have let up, or tried a hip check, is just kinda silly, I've stated my argument for it a couple times already. Of course no one wants to see anyone get injured, but when an injury happens on what is currently a check within the rules, that, to not sound too flippant, is part of the game.
All contact sports, All, are going to incure injuries..period.
Could these injuries be avoided? Don't know, a hip check on an unsuspecting player could just as easily break a leg, a rib, or if really delivered with the intent of a hip check, a broken neck as the player would most likely be sent head first to the ice.
Letting up on the check? Again, not the way particular players play, and as a player at the same level as them, it is your responsiblity to know that...
Hokcey IS a violent game, it has beauty and grace, but it also has violence. The only way to avoid injuries would be to take out bodychecking, disallow raising the puck and slaphots, allow no contact with the sticks of any sort, no physical interference of any sort while a player is in motion, etc etc....
Kinda doesn't sound like hockey anymore does it....
That sounds more like it would be figure skating with sticks |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 12:45:32
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| i agree with alex on this one. i can see where all the guys r coming from who think this was a clean hit, but i agree with alex, the hit was just to late for me. The actual hit was clean but the timing was a little off for me. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 13:16:43
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Originally posted by sharksfan44
i agree with alex on this one. i can see where all the guys r coming from who think this was a clean hit, but i agree with alex, the hit was just to late for me. The actual hit was clean but the timing was a little off for me.
Yeah, it's one of those rules that should be changed imo. It'd be difficult to police, as i guess it is now, but how long after a guy's dished off the puck is he still fair game? Eventually it becomes an interference call, but how long does the guy remain a target? |
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Guest9497
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 13:32:28
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For those who think this was a "late" hit, please do not bias your opinion by watching it over and over in slow motion.
In real time, this was a "finishing your check" scenario.
"Don't admire your pass" was coined as a phrase because you can legally hit a guy after he's passed the puck. Not LONG after, but it's still legal.
When you drop your shoulder to hit a guy....if you LEAVE your shoulder dropped, YOU will get injured. Part of delivering a hit is "loading up" and then "releasing". In this case, it's unfortunate he hit him in the head. His head hit the ice too so let's at least assume that *some* part of the injury could come from that.
When you have to watch a hit over and over and over again to see if a check is clean, you can't blame the player IMO.
If he gets up, does anyone cry foul? I say no.
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sharksfan44
Rookie
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 13:41:20
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| idk, its really up to the player to decide how long a player is still a target. obviously the refs feel the same as us and thought it was a little late, but richards didnt and niether did the NHL or else they would have suspended him. idk, that hit was just in the grey area for me, i didnt like it. I know its hard to stop when you have a guy lined up like that but i really wish richards could have pulled out of hitting booth. luckily booth is only out for a week, that could have been a lot worse. |
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coach roy
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 14:29:21
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hit looked clean to men. if this league stops body checking there in trouble,how can chara/pronger throw a hit and not come close the guys head with thier shoulders,nhl has to listen to don cherry at times, banned the equipement with hard plastic over padding. the 80 and early 90 players were not getting concusion like today.
solution is very easy there are 4 officials on the ice when players come onto the ice have the linesman have a physical inspection of players shoulder and elbow pads, anyone cheats penalty for misconduct and a fine.
if nascar can check 43 cars at the start and end of each game nhl can check for this type of gear. |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 08:18:54
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Like 9298 said, I think the hit was dirty because of the angle. Total blindspot coming from behind. Plus the guy didn't have the puck anymore.
I thought he should have been suspended for like 3 games. |
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Guest8949
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 12:18:11
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| I thought it was dirty because it was so late, if it hadn't been a superstar like Richards they would have been suspended at least 5 games. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 14:09:06
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Originally posted by Guest8949
I thought it was dirty because it was so late, if it hadn't been a superstar like Richards they would have been suspended at least 5 games.
Regardless of the hit being dirty or not, I agree that the player involved had a direct impact on the decision to not suspend.
If the hit was layed out by a player like Brashear, Orr, Avery, et al, they are suspended without question.
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