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Guest0975
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 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 20:12:50
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Poll Question:
As I get angrier with every game that passes I also begin to wonder, how long before the leafs win one? The schedule does not look good and I'm beginning to think it's possible that leafs could go on losing for 5, 10, 15 games...
So how many more losses before the leafs win?
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Edited by - Beans15 on 10/12/2009 20:34:26
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Guest0975
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 20:17:52
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Before the season started I'd say we'd probably be able to beat colorado, but the way they're playing (and the way the Leafs are), I don't think it'll be easy. And the next 4-5 teams down the line all look better. I know they'll probably pull one good game out, but I think it's also conceivable to lose for a long long time.
Boston will be laughing harder every game the Leafs lose. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 20:57:53
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Well obviously Colorado and New York are now out of the running.
0 wins, 4 loses, an OT lose, 12 goals for, 24 goals against, 2nd worst PK in the league, with an average of 17 minutes in the box a game. Retooled defense that can't seem to gel and an offense that is always struggling because they are always coming from behind. Add in a potential goaltending controversy and a #1 goalie with zero confidence. I don't think things could have been worse for the first 5 games.
I don't know, it's not looking good for the Buds. 7 of the next 10 are on the road, including a West Coast Swing through Vancouver, Anaheim, and Dallas. Those three teams are all going to be tough match ups.
I can reasonably see 7-10 loses before a win. Buffalo and Montreal would be my bets as to the first team Toronto beats. |
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Guest8957
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 22:16:02
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| I think the leafs will win soon. Keep your chins up leaf fans - we know they are only a bubble team at best this year, so there are going to be some bumps in the road. It looks like they are going to be making opposing teams think twice when coming to play the leafs, with their obvious toughness, and that's a good place to build from. Don't be down on them - they need the fans to get behind them and help cheer them out of their funks. |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 06:19:24
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Sorry why is Colorado and NYR out of the running? Their best chance might be tonight at home vs Colorado, but that team has confidence. And there's always the we'll get 'em back factor for the 2nd NYR game on Saturday. But if they lose those two I see losses against Van, Ana, Dal and yeah I agree Beans maybe then Buffalo or Montreal.
At least we'll end up in the lottery for the first overall pick next year... oh wait... |
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 06:33:00
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Well, I had personally thought to myself that they would squeak out a win against the Rangers, but those guys were really playing well, despite their defensive lapses.
This is the problem with a losing streak . . . the Rangers played lousy D at times, frankly, but the Leafs couldn't buy a goal. And, it's Lundqvist. And, the Leafs offence isn't exactly the most inventive or intimidating.
To me, it starts with our defence. They played like total crap, and this falls on Wilson's shoulders right now for me . . . it's his system they are playing. He has the big upgrade in talent there already, they've played a dozen games or so pre-season and regular season, let's start seeing this tight D!!!
I say if young MacDonald starts in net, we steal a win against Colorado in a tight low-scoring game.
maybe 
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Leafs81
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 07:25:11
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Yes I agree with you Slozo about the comment on Wilson. He's on the hot seat. The season is still very young but those are all points that will cost at the end of the season. And with depth and talent on d he should have his system implanted by now. I don't know something is wrong because I've never seen the Leafs play that aweful. I mean the games are not even close.
I also agree that they should play MacDonald. Lets see what he can do for us. He stole a few games for the NYI last year maybe he can do it here.
I say they win tonight. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 07:58:51
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I can't even put into words how disapointed i am...
I know the leafs were a bubble playoff team at best but they are better than this...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 09:08:28
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Oops, i was so quick to look down the list (and after reading the "Colorado out of the running" comment), i failed to take note of option 1.
As much as i hope the losses keep piling up  , i have a feeling they'll get by Colorado....prob in a shootout |
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Odin
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:00:09
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Well,
I have to say I am smiling right now. I think the Leafs record is great, surprise, surprise!!
I know, I know, the Habs are stumbling too, but at least all the damage done to them was out west, so it is minimal, and they DO have 2 wins. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:40:59
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Originally posted by Beans15
Well obviously Colorado and New York are now out of the running.
0 wins, 4 loses, an OT lose, 12 goals for, 24 goals against, 2nd worst PK in the league, with an average of 17 minutes in the box a game. Retooled defense that can't seem to gel and an offense that is always struggling because they are always coming from behind. Add in a potential goaltending controversy and a #1 goalie with zero confidence. I don't think things could have been worse for the first 5 games.
I don't know, it's not looking good for the Buds. 7 of the next 10 are on the road, including a West Coast Swing through Vancouver, Anaheim, and Dallas. Those three teams are all going to be tough match ups.
I can reasonably see 7-10 loses before a win. Buffalo and Montreal would be my bets as to the first team Toronto beats.
Sorry Folks. Looks like I lost a week somewhere. For some reason I was thinking it was the week end already. Lost my head.
Sounds like they are starting Joey Mac tonight. I wonder how long it will take the Leaf Faithful to start booing??? I say if they are down by 2 goals in the 1st period, it's a forgone conclussion.
I still say the Leafs will see 8ish games before a win. Although I do agree that this Colorado is their best shot. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 13:24:00
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ill be there tonight and if they are down by two in the first its going to be a pretty s***ty buzz in the building. they really need to get the first goal to get the crowd on their side and build a little confidence. When you are in slumps like this you have to take it one step at a time. The compete level has to be cranked for 60 minutes and Joey MacDonald needs to be steady in order to win tonight.
It will be nice to see Darcy Tucker back at the ACC as well
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 13:48:04
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I think that the losing streak can end at any time, against any team. What I think is the Leafs problem is that they are trying to do way to much. They try and make superhuman stretch passes, top cheese shots and deliver punishing bodychecks on every shift. And I'm only talking about Francois Beauchemin. But it seems as though the Leafs are just trying to be a little to fancy, aggressive, etc. When they play with forwards using their speed, and the defense using their body, the Leafs will get a win.
Unfortunately, until the Leafs get a win, every game will seem like a must-win. So let's win tonight boys! |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 15:15:10
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
ill be there tonight and if they are down by two in the first its going to be a pretty s***ty buzz in the building. they really need to get the first goal to get the crowd on their side and build a little confidence. When you are in slumps like this you have to take it one step at a time. The compete level has to be cranked for 60 minutes and Joey MacDonald needs to be steady in order to win tonight.
It will be nice to see Darcy Tucker back at the ACC as well
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Mr Roberts, I will also be at the game, will be late getting there but if you read this before you leave, let me know where you are sitting and I will come meet you. I will be in suite 252 but you will not be able to get access to that level if you don't have it. Possible I can bring you up to it if you get this.
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Leafs81
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 15:45:11
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| Stalberg is back from injury and Bozak got the call up. Hagman and Stajan got sent down. Toskala is injured, MacDonald gets the start and Reimer is the backup. |
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irvine
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 18:31:48
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Sigh, poor Leafs. <grin>
Truculance just isn't paying off yet. :P
I don't see a win in their near future, sadly. They will be hitting the road out West, so factoring in the teams they play with fatigue levels they may endure, it's just not looking for the Ol' Leafs.
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 20:09:59
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Like I mentioned before . . . on a losing streak, funny things happen that aren't very funny. A couple of weird/bad hop goals, but no matter what, they just didn't play well enough to win.
McDonald let in a pretty bad one, overplaying the angle as a winger came in with a weak shot. Well, that's why he's a back-up. We are a team with two back-ups at this point, and an injured mystery man.
I continue to be exasperated, looking for our defence.
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 22:00:52
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| Only saw the highlights and it looked like Mcdonald simply didn't get out and cut down the angle on that one weak goal. Komisarek continues to take stupid penalties like the elbow he threw at Tucker. That guy's gotta calm down and realize he's a defender first, and an intimidating checker next! |
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Guest8144
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 08:17:18
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
ill be there tonight and if they are down by two in the first its going to be a pretty s***ty buzz in the building. they really need to get the first goal to get the crowd on their side and build a little confidence. When you are in slumps like this you have to take it one step at a time. The compete level has to be cranked for 60 minutes and Joey MacDonald needs to be steady in order to win tonight.
It will be nice to see Darcy Tucker back at the ACC as well
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Mr Roberts, I will also be at the game, will be late getting there but if you read this before you leave, let me know where you are sitting and I will come meet you. I will be in suite 252 but you will not be able to get access to that level if you don't have it. Possible I can bring you up to it if you get this.
Damn.... sorry porkchop, I didnt check the site before I went to the game. I was sitting in section 308 row 5. It would have been cool to have a beer with a fellow pickup member. |
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MSC
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 10:01:47
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 13:38:30
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I still dont think that the draft pick will ever turn out to be as good as phil kessel. Its still early, i dont think that the leafs will be drafting in the top 5
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 14:13:12
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Hey, Matt could you imagine if Toronto wins the Draft and the 1st pick is one of the players Boston picks. Not that this year is an exeptional Draft year but there could be a couple good players in there. Best part is you have 3-4 years of inexpensive players / for an 3rd year, overpaid, 1st time 30 goal player, who wont even play until mid season and who may never equal his prior output on a crappy team without the supporting cast that he had in Boston. I would rather the Draft picks.
I mean wasn't the point of bringing in Burke to rebuild thru the draft. I mean that is suppose to be his specialty right. How do you do that when you (Classic T.O) trade away your draft picks for overpaid talent. Your can find 30 goal a year players on waivers and free agency. Why trade away your future for a an easily replacable player. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 14:28:57
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No worries Matt_Roberts, I thought it would have been neat to have brews with a member as well. I was running late and posted that late as well.
As for the Leafs, it is fustrating, seems they are trying too hard to do too much. Everything is looking like they are trying to force plays instead of just play the game.
As for the first round picks, Kessel is like getting a very high first rounder anyways so I don't consider it too much of loss even if the Leafs end up finishing last and giving Boston the 1st overall pick. Right now its projected to be Taylor Hall of the Windsor Spitfires. Kessel at 18 was ten times the player Hall is. Should someone emerge for the next two years as a bonafide NHL star of the likes of Tavares, Crosby, Ovechkin, even Stamkos then I might be pissed but right now the Leafs have a genuine top line player. There is a risk involved but I think worth it. |
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Guest3584
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 01:17:30
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I dunno, I could be wrong, but you know that real sinking feeling you got when say, the leafs agreed to pay McCabe 5 1/2 million or whatever it was? Well that's the feeling I got with the Kessel trade. Who knows, it could turn out OK in the end, but right now it REALLY looks like another GM coming in and wantonly ****ing around with Toronto's future. What is it with the luck in this town?
For some crazy reason, I think they'll beat Vancouver though. |
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Guest0973
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 04:49:30
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| porkchop are you kidding about Taylor Hall? I've read in some places he would have been drafted over Tavares if he could have gone this past year... time will tell. |
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Guest9838
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 05:59:54
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this topic has gone a bit off the rails... I believe there's a bunch of Kessel one's.
Going back to the matter at hand. Now that Colorado is done, I wonder if people will start voting for NYR. They do have something to prove against the team that embarrased them.
But I bet it'll be against one of the unlikely candidates. Just a random night where the leafs put things together, bounces (off the head) go their way and the other team has an off night. A team like Anaheim. either that or we'll go 0 for October and beat TB on Nov 3rd. The leafs always seem to beat TB. After that it doesn't look pretty.
Car, Det, Min, Chi, Cgy (I don't think the leafs can beat any of these teams without a lot of luck)
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 09:08:31
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I dont really understand why so many are writing off Kessel already. The guy was drafted 5th overall (projected to go 1st for a while), is only 21 and has bonifide top line skill. This isnt like signing McCabe at all, McCabe was already 30 and is a defenceman...
I beleive that the whole "Kessel needs Marc Savard" arguement is way overrated as well... youtube the best of Phil Kessel and you will see a dozen highlight reel goals that really didnt have anything to do with Savard, some of them are during international play. The kid cans nipe, its as simple as that.
Kessel is already practicing with the team and im already hearing that he could be back as early as the first week of November, hardly mid season.
I dont like the fact that we dont have a 1st pick this year, but I also think that Kessel could prove himself to be worth it. Time will tell.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 09:37:01
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I really hope we have our first win before Kessel plays!
I am as perplexed as any Leafs fan when I watch a game where the coach sits Stajan (3g in 5gp) and Hagman (2g, 1a in 5gp), but keeps in Blake (1g, 1a, -6), Kulemin (0 points, -3) and Mitchell (2a, -5). I just don't get why one would sit a guy like Hagman, who is so key to Toronto's success right now, and who isn't playing that badly.
sigh.
I guess I will just keep predicting that the streak ends the next game . . . so I guess that's this Saturday against the Rangers, who have been lucky to win the last few games, Leafs included.
Amazing what a great goalie can do.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 09:56:46
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Originally posted by slozo
I really hope we have our first win before Kessel plays!
I am as perplexed as any Leafs fan when I watch a game where the coach sits Stajan (3g in 5gp) and Hagman (2g, 1a in 5gp), but keeps in Blake (1g, 1a, -6), Kulemin (0 points, -3) and Mitchell (2a, -5). I just don't get why one would sit a guy like Hagman, who is so key to Toronto's success right now, and who isn't playing that badly.
sigh.
I guess I will just keep predicting that the streak ends the next game . . . so I guess that's this Saturday against the Rangers, who have been lucky to win the last few games, Leafs included.
Amazing what a great goalie can do.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Stajan responded well to being benched last season and i bet wilson is hoping it has the same effect. Hagman admitted to reporters that he played terrible in NY and could be a guy to set an example for the others. You get benched and you come back strong, if Hagman keeps a positive attitude through this than the next guys to get benched will think twice before throwing a tantrum (Jason Blake).
I have a good feeling that the leafs are going to bounce back soon.... (blue tinted glasses talking here)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 12:46:56
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I think Bozak should get the nod and play full time. he looked good against Colorado during his first NHL game. And it's good to have Stalberg back.
Van Ryn, Kessel still haven't played a game, this will help when they'll be in the lineup.
And of course Gustavsson and Toskala are injured, When Gustavsson comes back and plays regularly this should improve the team. And improve their confidence, and then the defense will gel and play better and Toskala will also look better. This is just a perfect scenario but this is what I hope and what I believe will happen.
In the meantime they better start winning.
I said they were gonna win against Colorado and now I say they will win saturday against NYR. And I will keep saying that until they win. That's why I don't play proline. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 13:49:29
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Originally posted by Leafs81
I think Bozak should get the nod and play full time. he looked good against Colorado during his first NHL game. And it's good to have Stalberg back.
Van Ryn, Kessel still haven't played a game, this will help when they'll be in the lineup.
And of course Gustavsson and Toskala are injured, When Gustavsson comes back and plays regularly this should improve the team. And improve their confidence, and then the defense will gel and play better and Toskala will also look better. This is just a perfect scenario but this is what I hope and what I believe will happen.
In the meantime they better start winning.
I said they were gonna win against Colorado and now I say they will win saturday against NYR. And I will keep saying that until they win. That's why I don't play proline.
Apparently Van Ryn is going to need the same knee surgery Yzerman had and his season is probably done already
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 13:53:05
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porkchop are you kidding about Taylor Hall? I've read in some places he would have been drafted over Tavares if he could have gone this past year... time will tell.
No, I am not kidding, he is good player but not as good as previous #1s. He could prove me wrong but I do not see him as an immediate impact player in the NHL. He is not as strong of player as Stamkos was and looked how Stamkos struggled.
Back on topic - Leafs win when they start playing hockey like they should know how to. We leaf fans also must face the fact that maybe this team will not get any better. Maybe this is the best the Leafs can play. I hope not! |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 14:36:31
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I wasn't hacken on Kessel. He is a great young player. I just dont agree with trading away 1st rounders when your are rebuilding. Its not like they couldn't find a free agent with similar stats without trading away your future. Why hold a position open for a player with 1 good year of stats, let alone trade away 2 1st rounders. It just from my perspective not a smart deal for the Leafs.
I say the same thing for my Sens. Build thru the draft and take offers on the aging top line players. Although Alfredson not going anywhere, his current contract in the final years is great and pays him to the end of his career. Dont get me wrong if they could have signed Kessel he would be welcome in Ottawa, but no way do I support trading away 2 1st round prospects.
Back to the question of futility streak I think T.O is gonna pull it out right away against New York at home this weekend. Lundquist is great and Gaborik is playing awesome right now, but I feel the leafs are due and this might be the right team for them to pull one out. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 17:21:59
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Normally I cheer when the Leafs lose, but I really feel for the Bud faithful. The media hyped such a great year coming and filled everyone's head with hopes of the playoffs, I was nearly on the bus myself. But reality kicked us all in the teeth. The Leafs are just not a great team.
Unfortunately, the biggest area the Leafs were to improve on(defense) is really the worst area of the team right now. But I actually think that today's loose practice is just what the DR ordered. Actually, the road trip coming too. Really, the hardest place to play hockey in the world is TO during the best of times. Today, it's gotta be 10 times worse.
I think the lose to NY, but win the next one. NY is far better than people gave them credit for, well, most people....... |
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Alex
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 18:02:21
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Still believe in this team on paper.
I would argue that the pressure on them is what's ruining them. Think about it, Brian Burke gave a whole song and dance to every player coming through Pearson Airport. To make things better, he then told anyone willing to listen that this team was a playoff team.
What do you expect Komisarek to do if you're in his situation? He's just trying to give the fans and the ol' man some good fashion truculence - that apparently will make everyone happy. And the result is being in the box for five (?) goals against.
Burke has sang these guys' praises and by doing so focused in on particular aspects of their game that they're now obsessing over. The result is a hockey player that had some sort of balance now playing with a one-track mind. Put 10 of those on your team and see what happens.
The team's good on paper. They just gotta play the way they did before stepping foot in Hogtown if the Leafs want to avoid going 81-0-1. |
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irvine
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 19:19:18
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Originally posted by Alex
Still believe in this team on paper.
The team's good on paper. They just gotta play the way they did before stepping foot in Hogtown if the Leafs want to avoid going 81-0-1.
Personally, I don't even see this team as being that good even on paper. They are missing a top goalscorer, steady goaltending (Toskala is capable, just maybe not in TO it seems,) and and play making. They are now built on youth and "truculence."
The only thing this team currently has is a bit of hard hitting, toughnes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not to mention, I don't think any team wants to avoid going 81-0-1. 81 wins is a hell of a season. ;)
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 19:25:39
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When Burke was looking for "truculance" I don't think he expected those player to be spending so much time in the Box. It doesn't take penalties to be team tough. The Beef on the Leafs bench can lean on the other team physically without taking the stupid penalties. I think that is what Burke talked about today after practice.
I also like Burke publicly saying there will be various player changes before the coach is looked. The Leaf's lack of fortune to this point has nothing to do with coaching. It has to do with poor execution. |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 21:15:20
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Originally posted by Beans15
When Burke was looking for "truculance" I don't think he expected those player to be spending so much time in the Box. It doesn't take penalties to be team tough. The Beef on the Leafs bench can lean on the other team physically without taking the stupid penalties. I think that is what Burke talked about today after practice.
I also like Burke publicly saying there will be various player changes before the coach is looked. The Leaf's lack of fortune to this point has nothing to do with coaching. It has to do with poor execution.
S#1t rolls downhill, is that right? Burke and Wilson are very proud and cocky people, and as such, should take responsibility for the Leafs' slow start. No sympathy here. I'm surprised with you, Beans. The quality of the team is dictated by the GM. The execution is dictated by the coach.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2010. |
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Guest3584
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 22:07:40
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| Is there a reason my comment was yanked? |
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Guest3584
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 22:11:31
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| sorry ignore that, my bad. |
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umteman
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 18:08:51
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"Personally, I don't even see this team as being that good even on paper."
Yeah, gotta agree with you there. I advise Leaf's fans to brace themselves for a dreadfull long, abysmally bad season. This team could finish with a grand total of 50 points.
Did you hear about the retired proctologist? He spent 40 years saying "what's a place like this doing in a girl like you?" |
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