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Beans15
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 Posted - 11/25/2009 : 10:14:23
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In my opinion, Thorton and Savard on the same team is not needed, let alone the same line. They have both proven to be pure offensive set up players. Neither will see a minute of PK time if they made the team, so they are there purely to set up the snipers (Nash/Heatley/Etc).
That being said, I take 6'3" and 235 lbs with speed and strength over 5'10" and 195 lbs with speed.
It's very much the same as (to me) Getzlaf and M.Richards. Both are very very similar players in ability and skill. I would rather take one of the two and use the other spot for a players with a different skill set over having 2 players very much the same.
The ONLY places where I would want to have 2 players with the similar skill sets is the Snipers(I want a couple at least) and on defense. Having 3 defensive pairing with one offensive and one defensive focused player is the most effective as well as the most versitile for PK and PP situations.
All other positions, I want a balance of different talent. I want some fast, some strong, some passing, some scoring, some shut down, some of everything.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:34:56
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Originally posted by Beans15
In my opinion, Thorton and Savard on the same team is not needed, let alone the same line. They have both proven to be pure offensive set up players. Neither will see a minute of PK time if they made the team, so they are there purely to set up the snipers (Nash/Heatley/Etc).
That being said, I take 6'3" and 235 lbs with speed and strength over 5'10" and 195 lbs with speed.
It's very much the same as (to me) Getzlaf and M.Richards. Both are very very similar players in ability and skill. I would rather take one of the two and use the other spot for a players with a different skill set over having 2 players very much the same.
The ONLY places where I would want to have 2 players with the similar skill sets is the Snipers(I want a couple at least) and on defense. Having 3 defensive pairing with one offensive and one defensive focused player is the most effective as well as the most versitile for PK and PP situations.
All other positions, I want a balance of different talent. I want some fast, some strong, some passing, some scoring, some shut down, some of everything.
But not two of anything.
Couldn't agree more about Thorton over Savard as the Setup man for that team.
Also perfect analysis about the 2 snipers thats why I feel the number one line should be Crosby flanked by Nash and Iginla, Two Richard trophy winners centered by one of the games most elite setup men. Similar situation I believe is leaving the San Jose line intact with Thorton flanked by Heatley and Marleau this also brings size with all guys being over 6'2 220lbs. And then the Third line with Getzlaf (Anaheim's Thorton) at centre with his red hot linemate Perry and Jonathan Toews who has come back great from his concussion.
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:56:55
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Wow, full moon tonight?? Completely agree with Tiller. With the exception of Toews. I put him 4th line centre. Has the skills to absolutely shut down ANYONE. I like Toews with Morrow and Penner.
KIDDING....
How about Toews with Morrow and Doan and put St. Louis with PennerPerry and Getzlaf. Put a little speed and stank on that line.
Hey, what do you guys think about Penner |
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HawkinOilCountry
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Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:59:49
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Originally posted by Beans15
Wow, full moon tonight?? Completely agree with Tiller. With the exception of Toews. I put him 4th line centre. Has the skills to absolutely shut down ANYONE. I like Toews with Morrow and Penner.
KIDDING....
How about Toews with Morrow and Doan and put St. Louis with PennerPerry and Getzlaf. Put a little speed and stank on that line.
Hey, what do you guys think about Penner
LOL Gold.
Toews is a great player with a bright future. Having said that, I still don't have a spot for him on my line up. I don't envy Stevie Y one bit.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:08:00
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Toews does have that ability I agree, my big thing is that it would be foolish to break up Getzlaf and Perry as well as the San Jose line there is so much pre-made chemistry there and ya the accompanying winger on the thrid line could go to a host of guys:
St. Louis
Stamkos
E. Staal (outside chance unless he lights it up over the next month)
Carter
Toews
The same goes for the 4th line you know my opinions on Richards (lock as 4th line centre) but anyone of:
Smyth (unlikely now being on IR)
Morrow
Doan
Lucic
Carter
Toews
J. Staal
My feeling is that Toews and Carter could be interchanged on those 2 lines depending on the game situation and opponent.
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:11:32
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Ok Tiller, I can agree with that.
But where does Penner play?? He's a lock right??
I would really like to see Eric Staal there and for him to play well. He's got the skills to be a difference maker more so (in my opinion) than Carter or Richards.
I don't know where my head goes with Carter and Richards. Philly is a team I can see do really well in the playoffs and these guys are the pistons on that team. I just don't see them over other guys like Staal(when he's on), Brad Richards, et al. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:15:07
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Penner plays road hockey infront of rexall during the Olympics.
As for Staal I'd love nothing more than for him to elevate his play to a level worthy of making the team because I think it was crimnal he wasnt on the turin team.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 13:17:57
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Couldn't agree more about Thorton over Savard as the Setup man for that team.
Also perfect analysis about the 2 snipers thats why I feel the number one line should be Crosby flanked by Nash and Iginla, Two Richard trophy winners centered by one of the games most elite setup men.
I'd like to see the line of Getzlaf Nash and Heatley from the world Juniors kept together
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 15:26:37
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You know Bean's Ive been thinking about the old line of Penner, Getzlaf and Perry. I know I'm gonna get lambasted by Tiller and the like, but maybe that wouldn't be a bad line. Not as offensive as Heatley, Marleau and Thorton but size wise, and skill wise they are comparable. Im figuring Iginla, Nash and Crosby for a lock on the 1st or second line. I really wont have a problem with who the 4th line is between all of the suggested players so far. I would like to see Doan, Smyth and either of the Richards suggested. Toews and the Richard not selcted to fill the taxi squad.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 17:54:21
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Don't worry Josh I'll take it easy on you because I understand what you mean with Penner in that role, however there is too many guys ahead of Penner at this point I just can't see him being ahead of guys like Carter, Stamkos or at this point, as much as it pains me to say, Brad Richards (I still don't see him on the team). Toews deserves a bit of time to continue the roll he has developed as his season was slightly interrupted by a big blueliner from Vancouver. To me Toews has more raw talent and speed than any of these guys, Penner is bigger
Stamkos is more of a sniper i think Jonathan Toews is the perfect inbetween more of a gifted scorer than Penner and bigger and heavier than Stamkos.
Also I agree the San Jose line and the Nash/Crosby/Iginla line are 1a and 1b they will have virtually the same ice time, basically its who will take the opening face off of each game that will determine which is the first line thats about it.
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 19:50:08
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Beans, you made me laugh my ass off with the Penner stuff. Glad we can all be jovial about this . . . I tell ya, sometimes I get too serious about this hockey stuff!
Toews . . . Brad Richards . . . you know, I think there is a little thing called familiarity bias at work with all of us, and I'll take Yzerman's decision over mine, Seriously - I haven't seen Toews that much, and haven't watched a lot of Brad Richards since TB won the cup. But, I know some of these other guys better . . . it's a tough decision that is better made by people who can treat the decision fairly - because they have seen just as much of all the players we debate.
I will make a point to watch more Chicago games when I can, but Dallas? Jeesh . . . long, boring nights . . . yawn.
And, I know we've all pretty much come to a consensus on some of these line combos, as we start to convince ourselves - but it's a fluid game, and there is a guarantee we see a line combo work out that we never saw coming. Another topic maybe once the team is picked?
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Alex116
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 22:16:59
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Slozo....very well said in regards to your comments about familiarity. I too don't get the exposure to some of these guys as much as others.
Tiller, i agree, it's Crosby with Nash and Iginla and Thornton with Marleau and Heatley as the 1 and 2 lines, in whichever order (to be determined by performance throught the round robin?).
My third line i maintain is Getzlaf with Perry and St. Louis (if not, J. Carter or B. Richards). Didn't have B. Richards on my radar till just the other day. He continues to put up offensive numbers and i know he's responsible in his own zone. Still think it'll be hard to keep Carter and his goal scoring (46 last year, on pace for 35 this year) off this squad.
Still like Morrow/M.Richards/Doan as line 4 but could see either of the wingers switched out for someone else as well? Maybe Carter on line 3, St. Louis on line 4?
Too many choices, and sorry Beans, but a few too many guys ahead of Penner on the depth chart. Would really love to be a fly on the wall in Stevie Y's office to see how much Penners name has come up, cuz he's gotta have their attention!
Beans, i know you're not saying that Penner WILL make it, just that he should be considered. Tell you what, if he makes it, even the taxi squad, i'll change my 'Nucks avatar to an Oilers crest for a month, in your honor of course....  |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 22:28:41
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Originally posted by Alex116
My third line i maintain is Getzlaf with Perry and St. Louis (if not, J. Carter or B. Richards). Didn't have B. Richards on my radar till just the other day. He continues to put up offensive numbers and i know he's responsible in his own zone.
Beans, i know you're not saying that Penner WILL make it, just that he should be considered. Tell you what, if he makes it, even the taxi squad, i'll change my 'Nucks avatar to an Oilers crest for a month, in your honor of course....
Echo that on Brad Richards but I don't see how having him on a line with Getzlaf, another set up man, works. St. Louis, Toews, or even Eric Staal despite his poor start and injury is a better fit. Believe me its taken a serious effort from Brad for me to even consider him for this team, just read above.
However likewise if Richards is selected i'll swipe out the buds logo for anoilers one
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Alex116
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 22:48:54
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| Tiller, that's more ballsy than my offer! I'd say B. Richards has a lot better shot at the team than Penner!! |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/25/2009 : 22:52:21
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yep he definately does, but i'm confident he won't too many setup men on that team already Crosby, Thorton, Getzlaf I cant take any of them off for Richards but only Stevie Y knows the answer
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 00:25:02
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Thornton - Heatley - Iginla
Getzlaf - Perry - Richards
St. Louis Stamkos - Carter
Crosby - Staal - Nash <-- only because I like the name of that line :-) |
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Guest3781
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 07:26:41
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Nash Crosby Iginla
Marleau Thorton Carter
Richards Getzlaf Perry
St.Louis B.Richards Stamkos
Toews(can play in any situation, Morrow and Doan not having great years)
Niedermayer Weber
Pronger Keith
Bouwmeester Seabrook
Boyle( Strong Consideration given to Green and Doughty)
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Guest3781
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 07:35:38
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Sorry Made an error on my post just above
Niedermayer Weber
Pronger Bouwmeester
Keith Seabrook
PP1
Nash Crosby Iginla
Pronger Boyle
PP2
Getzlaf Thorton B.Richards
Niedermayer Weber
PK1
Richards Carter
Keith Seabrook
PK2
Marleau St.Louis
Bouwmeester Pronger
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 08:12:52
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Originally posted by Guest3781
Nash Crosby Iginla
Marleau Thorton Carter
Richards Getzlaf Perry
St.Louis B.Richards Stamkos
Toews(can play in any situation, Morrow and Doan not having great years)
Niedermayer Weber
Pronger Keith
Bouwmeester Seabrook
Boyle( Strong Consideration given to Green and Doughty)
You lost all credability by leaving Heatley off the roster. Are you crazy? In your world does he have the ebola virus? Hes better than Stamkos, both Richards, Perry Morrow Doan and Toews. How can you leave off the #2 guy in goals, #5 in points this year. Only Brad Richards from my list has more points and he doesn't usually find himself at the top of league standings. |
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Guest5382
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 10:40:29
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
You lost all credability by leaving Heatley off the roster. Are you crazy? In your world does he have the ebola virus? Hes better than Stamkos, both Richards, Perry Morrow Doan and Toews. How can you leave off the #2 guy in goals, #5 in points this year. Only Brad Richards from my list has more points and he doesn't usually find himself at the top of league standings.
That and separating Pronger from Nieds in defensive pairings. They are used to playing together and separating them makes no sense. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 10:54:57
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I wouldn't say the person lost all credibility by leaving off Heatley. Some people might not think he should be there. People shouldn't lose credibility based on differing opions. They lose credibility by giving false information or plagerizing. The guest lost no more credibility from his post than the post accusing him of losing credibility.
And I don't think it's crazy to put Neidermayer and Pronger on different lines. Even in Anahiem, Neidermayer played most of his regular minutes with Beauchemin. He played with Pronger on the PP/PK and late in close games.
I think Neidermayer would look pretty sick with Keith, and I don't think (with the exception of Bouwmeester) you could find a better skating defensive duo in all of the world.
Pronger can literally play with anyone. Weber and Pronger might be one of the most physical pairings possible. I also think that Pronger and Boyle would look nice.
The guest isn't that crazy. Well, no more crazy than I am I guess. |
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Guest1756
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 12:42:06
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| Credibility was definitely lost by not putting Heatley on the roster. His name probably hasn't even been mentioned in Stevie's office for weeks because he is such a guarantee. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 12:51:27
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I'll take the extremist position then, I think it would be smart to spearate Niedermayer and Pronger. Like you said Pronger can play with anyone and that goes for Niedermayer as well. I maintain that Pronger and Bouwmeester as your number one pairing is the best shutdown defensive pairing in the tournament.
There will be guys like Lidstrom and Chara in the tournament but having Pronger and Bouwmeester against Russia's or Sweden's top line is Canada's strongest game plan. Both guys are capable of playing in excess of 30 minutes a game and without knocking Niedermayer he's getting on in age and has lost some speed and is less physical thatn those two guys. Pronger is a beast and bouwmeester is a big body that is quite capable of facilitating the rush.
I like the Idea of Niedermayer playing with Phaneuf or Weber one of the younger guys with boyle rounding out the top 6. I have Keith as my seventh guy but he could easily fill in on the 2nd and 3rd pairing. I think after Pronger and Bouwmeester just go with whoever meshes best. A pairing I could see emerge is Phaneuf and Weber from the 05 Word Juniors.
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