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Matt_Roberts85
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 Posted - 12/15/2009 : 13:24:49
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Welp,
Toronto Maple Leafs are 7-3 in their last 10 and they are also 9th in goals for and 11th on the PP. The downside to that is the fact that they are 29th in goals allowed and 30th on the PK, but the slow start has alot to do with those numbers.
They are currently 2 points behind 8th place Montreal and Florida, and just 5 back of the 7th place senators (Who just lost Spezza for up to 6 weeks apparently) and tied with 4 other teams for 10th in the conference.
Many had already written off the entire season and ridiculed Brian Burke and Ron Wilson. The fight this team has shown to climb back into contention after a 0-7-1 start, followed up by a 1-8-6 record is just amazing, especially when you have sports writers in toronto giving the leafs a 1% chance of making the playoffs.
Their lack of 'top 6' forwards was knocked continuously as was the trade for Phil Kessel, and while its still early to determine the winner of that trade just yet, it doesnt appear as though those picks are going to be lottery picks. Kessel has brought a dynamic to this team that was sorely lacking to start the year and has been clutch so far this season,scoring 12 goals and notching 20 points in 21 games this year.
The leading goal scorer on the Bruins is Marco Sturm with 9 in 32 games. I dont care what any Bruins fan may tell you, they miss Phil Kessel despite having a solid record. Those 1st round picks better become something special for that trade to favour the Bruins, Kessel is a rare talent.
Vesa Toskala has finally seemed to find a comfort zone, which can probably be attributed to the fact that the leafs in zone coverage has improved by leaps and bounds and time spent with new goaltending coach Francois Allaire. I will admit that I hated the thought of Toskala in net for any more Leaf games but if he can continue to play steady minutes im fine with that. He says that his groin is fully healed and is pain free for the 1st time in years. He isnt getting beat glove side on every shot anymore and isnt deep in his net like he was early in the year. In fact he has made some highlight reel saves over the past few games.
Mike Komisarek and Francois Beauchemin both started the season off in terrible fashion but have since found their game and are playing quality minutes. Beauchemin in particular who has been shutting down the top players on opposing teams with regularity. Tomas Kaberle continues to be amongst the NHL leaders in defenceman scoring and Ian White has cemented himself as an NHL defenceman.
Luke Schenn has struggled in his sophmore campaign but has recently shown signs of life, delivering some Monster hits (which can be seen on NHL.com's top 10 hits of the week, Schenn is featured 4 times I beleive, including the #1 spot). Although he has sat out the last 2 games I still feel that Luke will become a top shutdown defender in the NHL.
With Nik Hagman(15-9-24) and Matt Stajan(11-15-26) both producing at top 6 levels as well as the emergence of a bonifide checking line in Primeau-Stempniak-Kulemin do you think that the Leafs have a legitimate shot at the playoffs now? Or is this just a hot streak and the leafs will fall back to the depths of the conference?
For the 1st time in a long time the Maple Leafs are playing excellent hockey, are winning on home ice and getting solid goaltending. Troll if you'd like, or add to the discussion.
I know im a homer, so give me the other side of the story
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 15:50:19
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Matt, i'll reply and i promise, it won't just be a bunch of "Leafs suck" troll-like comments, however, i can't guarantee you those comments aren't soon to follow from others  .
First off, there's no denying that this Leafs team has made a huge turnaround. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but you gotta give Kessel some of the credit!
Without looking up my predictions, i think i had the Leafs as a possibility for the 8th spot come playoff time, or perhaps just missing? I still think that's the case as i have to think that Philly and even the Rangers will have something to say about the playoff picture before all is done. They may have a shot at the last spot come the final couple months and really, as a Leaf fan, i think you'd be happy, no? Even if they come up just short, they'd have to look at the season as a building block.
Their "lack of top 6 forwards" which indeed was knocked is a little surprising to me at this point. Surprising in that they've done well these past 10-12 games! Kessel is a small surprise, only for the fact he didn't have a slow start that many, even most Leaf fans, prob expected being that he was coming off a pretty significant injury. Regardless, he's playing like he never missed a beat and therefore has given their PP a boost as well as the top line. Second line scoring is more the surprise. They're contributing nicely.
I've always maintained i like Toskala and think he'd have been much better since his arrival in TO if he had a better team around him. Is this finally beginning to show? Not sure, but they still need to improve a lot on the 29th worst goals against AND the PK which as we all know, starts with your goalie!
I'm not so sure about your comments about Luke Schenn though. If he's "recently shown signs of life" then you must be a reporter up in the press box? I too think eventually this guy's gonna be a stud dman, but i don't think anything he's done recently really shows that. As for his hits, great, and i will say i've seen very little Leafs games lately, but keep his play cannot have been very good overall these past couple weeks or he'd find himself in the games! Either way, he'll be fine in due time.
Hagman has surprised many i'm sure as has Stajan, but that's exactly what a team like this needs, is a few guys to step up and play beyond what's expected of them!
Overall, the Maple Zombie's are definitely "Back from the dead" and do have a shot at the playoffs. It's far from a "lock" at this point, but it's a lot closer than it was a month ago .
As much as i detest Burke and i don't cheer for the Leafs, it's good for hockey and for Canada to have them competing! |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 16:25:41
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Very well put Mr. Roberts. I too am very enthused with the Leafs play lately. However I am not going to count the chickens before they hatch and remain cautiously guarded that they will make the playoffs, there are a lot of games left.
I am very pleased with how several players have started to turn their game around, especially the D. Certainly Leaf fans think a ton of Kessel as there has not been a player like him in the Leafs lineup for quite some time. He has done nothing but impress so far. I do see his tendancy to be lazy on the D side once and while and that was the knock on him in Beantown.
Toskala looks to have regained some form, I hope it lasts. As I said in another post on here, Toskala needs to be pushed to play his best. That is how it was with him in SJ and now the "Monster" pushing him in TO he has responded once again. That and he is UFA at the end of the season and needs to look attractive to teams hunting for goaltending.
Most teams have ups and downs in season, the Leafs right now are on a up swing. They are likely going to come back down again unless they continue to surprise.
As for Burke, love him or hate him, he can build winning teams. Patience is still required with the Leafs and surely we are getting a glimpse of what Burke is trying to create. GMs will almost always take the blame for a teams failures yet only few get recognized for their successes.
The most annoying thing about the Leafs playing well, all the bandwagon hoppers are looking to hop back on again. |
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 17:23:11
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go leafs go i told you they would win the cup with burke and kessel at the helm now all they need to do is get rid of that joke toskala and we have the cup for sure.
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 mark my words |
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 17:57:17
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The Leafs made some significant changes in the off season, so winning couldn't have been expected over night. Players had to learn a new system, and also learn to play with each other. They are starting to find their confidence and are starting to beat the teams they should be beating.
However, they are still a middle of the pack team (at best) that is still lacking some key parts. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. But that being said, while Burke continues to re-build, I'm enjoying the energy they are bringing every night. The fans at the ACC finally have something to cheer for again.
And to all those "Leaf fans" out there who keep crying about the potential of losing the 1st overall pick next year (and maybe even the year after), please remember this: We're still going to have Kessel!!!! So while your crying when Boston picks 1st overall in June, I'll be cheering when Kessel scores 40 goals for us in each of the next 5 years!!! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 22:25:20
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Middle of the pack??? 31 points puts them tied for 2nd last in the league with 6 other teams. No one is talking about Anaheim, NYI, or Tampa as playoff teams.
Furthermore, 7-3-0 is nice. Very hot. But let's also realize that those hot streaks turn cold just as fast. There is still more than 1/2 of the season left.
In those 10 wins, the Leafs have 36 goals for and 31 goals against. Not a huge difference.
They are also still in the bottom 4 teams in the league in wins. Only 2 teams in the league have more overtime losses. A record of 12-21 is nothing to write home to Mom about. The season is not the past 10 games, it's a total of 82 games. And let's face it, the Leafs are a kind of team that need to fire on all cylinders to win. That's a really tough pace to maintain for another 49 games.
However, I will give credit where credit is due. From the games I have watched recently, the couple of things the Leafs are doing significantly better now than the first 20 games of the year is staying out of the penalty box and playing far more responsible as well as moving the puck way better out of their own end.
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 01:06:30
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Originally posted by Guest9494
go leafs go i told you they would win the cup with burke and kessel at the helm now all they need to do is get rid of that joke toskala and we have the cup for sure.
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 mark my words
When i read comments like this, i wanna puke . Dude, you're the type of guy who gives Leaf fans a bad name.
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 03:59:04
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| DO NOT BE EXCITED LEAFS FANS THIS IS JUST A PASSING, SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. THE PARADE ROUTE IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. THANK YOU. |
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 04:50:39
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Well written, Matt, I mostly agree with you.
The one thing I have never really agreed with is the excitement over Luke Schenn . . . I just don't think he will turn out to be this "stud defenceman" everyone thinks he will. He may turn into a solid 4th defenceman at best, I think . . . but that's good enough for me. No need to pin hopes and dreams on this guy at all, he is what he is - a slightly skilled, tough d-man who needs loads of improvement in his defensive game. Average skater, average passer, good checker when disciplined.
I feel like the Leafs will be fighting for a playoff spot, and I know there will be ups and downs . . . I just wish the Leafs had gotten to this point without such low downs! They are still trying to erase the black hole that was the start to their season, and they have lots more work to do in this regard. They look good now, and hopefully they remain steady in their improvement.
Like others said though - I expect Philly and the Rangers to improve, and TB and the Islanders to also be fighting for a playoff spot. I don't expect Ottawa to still be there, I'd expect them down with the Leafs, fighting for a spot.
It's a long season that just got shorter, because the Leafs are back in it. Now, we see if its false hope, or a real beginning . . .
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Guest6815
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 07:04:04
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Guest9494
go leafs go i told you they would win the cup with burke and kessel at the helm now all they need to do is get rid of that joke toskala and we have the cup for sure.
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 mark my words
When i read comments like this, i wanna puke. Dude, you're the type of guy who gives Leaf fans a bad name.
.....or maybe it's me? Was this meant as a joke????
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 08:31:00
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Thanks for the response guys,
I certainly wasn't making any guarantees for the playoffs, but it is nice to see them back in the hunt at least. If they win tonight they tie Montreal and Florida for the 8th seed. (middle of the pack...?)
Philadelphia is really struggling and to be honest, i dont see them stringing together a bunch of wins any time soon. I could be wrong, but the team just seems to be completley rudderless at the moment. The Rangers, outside of Gaborik and perhaps Prospal, cant get any consistancy out of their forwards and young defencemen Gilroy and Del Zotto have struggled defensivley recently, Gilroy was sert down to the AHL if im not mistaken, so the window is there for the leafs to jump through. Now that Spezza is out, ottawa could hurt as well.
Beans, I know 10 games does not make a season but you can go back further in the leafs record and see that they are 9-3-1 in their last 13 and if they win tonight they jump as many as 5 teams in the league. Im being optomistic more than anything that the solid play continues, obviously they could fall flat at any time, especially considering what you said about keeping up the high octane game they need to be successful.
Also, like beans said only 2 teams in the league have more overtime losses. A record of 12-21 is nothing to write home to Mom about. The fact that they season started so poorly has alot to do with this, it just goes to show the kind of hole the dug themselves through the first 18 or so games of the season.
I'll be realistic here, the chances of the leafs playing well enough to stay above the other teams in contention is slim, especially considering that this is still largley the same group that was so horrible not that long ago. Still, Wilson seems to have finally gotten through to these guys and their defensive play and puck pursuit has been solid of late (save those 2 games against Boston where they were totally outclassed)
As far as Schenn goes, I still see a boatload of potential. I can see him really becoming a player in the mould of Robyn Regher, a hard hitting shut down defender who will sacrifice himself for wins. Those guys never put up big number but they lead their team to battle night in and night out and often come out on top. The sophmore slump is a strange thing, but this kid was playing 20+ mins a night last year, often against the other teams best players and more than held his own. His skill set will only improve with age and I think he just needed to reset by spending a couple games in the press box. Its not a big deal, plenty of guys have spent a couple games up there early in their career.
So yea, i guess this could be considered a bit of a mid season review. Would anyone be willing to do one for their favorite team?
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JOSHUACANADA
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Canada
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 09:52:34
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I agree the Leafs in the last 13 or so games have proven they are on the right track and may contend for a playoff spot. Considering a team back from the dead, Leafs do come to mind but in the thoughts of most Senators were not far behind. So far this season they have proven they are a mid pack team which has face several challenges.
Forwards--Currently depth at center is a problem. Have not converted a wealth of centerman into reliable wingers. Injuries to Spezza, and Fishers ability to play a dual role on wing/center will help young up and coming players such as Kelly, Regin and Winchester develop. Regin in particular was credited in igniting Fisher offensively and may be considered with top 6 playing time in the future. Foligno is an underated star who while playing a checking role has converted 13 points with low playing minutes per game. If he see more playing time with offensive gifted linemates will see a production increase. Cheechoo has proven his 1st year Thorton production was 90% Thornton, he will fill a checkers role unless a miracle happens. Michalek is a poor-mans Heatley with defensive upside, as he sees time on the PK, an area Heatley lacked throughout his career.
Defense has been a challenge this year and last for the senators. Lack of a powerplay specialist has hurt this team offensively. Injuries to Volchenkov early in the season have proved challenging as he is the most reliable and physical of defensive corp. Unsung star d-man Philips is quietly carrying on a excellent year of matching up to the oppositions best players while picking up some extra offensive production. Carkner and Karlsson are proving to be excellent 1st year Defensman with a future in the NHL.
Goaltending has been challenged by addition of new starter Leclair who hasn't yet proven he is a franchise goalie. Elliot which was last seasons surprise goalie has proving he deserves playing time since Leclair went down to an freaky accident, a puck to the face while sitting on the bench. I expect these 2 goalies to battle for #1 playing time once Leclair returns.
All in all my assessment of this team is pretty good considering all injury's to top end talent in all 3 key areas this year and still sitting in 7th place in the east with a 3 point cushion and 2 games in hand over the 8th-9th teams behind them. I predict a 5-6 finish in a tough Eastern conference. |
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hanley6
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Canada
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 10:42:37
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I've said this before, and it's proving me right so far... Burke has built a Playoff team out of the Toronto Maple Leafs... When you change the teams Defensive core as big as he did adding Beauchemin, Exelby, Gunnarsson, Komisarek, those defensemen are an awesome improvement... but when you make as many changes to the team as Burke did, it takes time to get used to each other... Good reason for the 0-7-1 start of the Season... despite that rough start Toronto has made a complete turn around. Toronto has out played there opponents in almost every game they played this season.... Now they are scoring, they are forming together as a complete team... The D is one of the best In the League, White, Kaberle, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Exelby, Finger, Schenn, Gunnarsson, you won't find many team with that many Solid D...
now the Offense
line 1 -Alexei Ponikarovsky, Matt Stajan, Phil Kessel combine together with 35 goals, 34 assists and 69 Points this season so far
line 2 -Jason Blake, Mikhail Grabovski, Niklas Hagman combine with 28 goals, 40 assists, 68 Points
line 3 -Nikolai Kulemin, Wayne Primeau, Lee Stempniak. combine with 16 goals, 13 assists, 29 Points
line 4 - Jamal Mayers, Rickard Wallin, Colton Orr combine 1 goal, 4 assists, 5 points, which I feel the 4th are the 3 players Toronto don't need, they have enough tough guys, keep Primeau though I like his style lol... but get rid of Mayers, Wallin and Orr and bring up the Frat Pack, Hanson, Bozak and Stalberg, maybe drop Kulemin and pick up Mike Zigomanis and Toronto would have an even better team than what they have now, Even knowing Toronto has been one of the best teams in the League in the past 15 games...
and another plus the Goaltending has been solid this year which they have lacked since Eddie Belfour, Gustavsson has been Toronto's best goalie this year despite his heart problems only having 1 bad game, he's been standing on his head... Toskala has been having another horrible season, but has actually played pretty good in his last 2 starts. MacDonald has also looked good in all 6 games he's played in...
I believe Toronto will make the Playoffs, Infact I've already bet a case of beer on it with my boss at work. all the Leafs have to do is finish in 8th well they are only 2 Points away, I believe not only will they make the playoffs but they will probably end up 3rd to 5th in the Eastern Conference, they'd already be there if they didn't have that bad start to the Season...
Call me Crazy, I just call it as I see it....
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HawkinOilCountry
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 10:47:00
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It's hard to talk about teams coming back from the dead and not bring up the Oilers. If not for thier recent road trip winning streak they were in danger of writing off thier season before christmas.
The injuries to Hemsky and Khabibulin should've sent the team into a downward tailspin, considering how much the Oilers had seemingly relied on them for the limited success they have had. Add those names to the already lengthy list of Oilers sidelined with injuries and it's a wonder that they clawed their way out of the western cellar, and on a road trip to boot!
Some definite bright spots on the edmonton squad, namely Dustin Penner, Jeff Deslauriers, and even Horcoff after a really slow start tot he year. But probably the brightest spot I can think of has to be Potulny. This guy is a veritable nobody from nowehere that came up from the minors to cover yet another injured forward and has been just shy of brilliant since. Quinn has got to be happy with this kid.
Last night's loss to the kings was a set back to be sure, but I can't help but be encouraged by the way Potulny played with Souray and some of the shifts played by the Penner and Horcoff lines.
Of course there's always a down side to every team as well. Grebeshkov coming back on the ice might not have been the best idea against the Kings. Let him shake the rust loose agianst a less offensive team than LA. He had at least 3 bad turnovers, and one for sure resulted in a goal. And I've never been happy with Gilbert or Staios' play. Even Souray still plays like he JUST got back from his injury.
Edmonton's blue line needs to stay on top on thier conditioning and the team as a whole needs to hang on to the puck better.
Hopefully soon we'll see Comrie back on the ice and get some production out of him. With hemsky out the Oil are missing a lot of depth up front.
There's my review of the Oilers. :)
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Guest9494
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 10:55:01
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finally another smart hockey fan, hanley leafs need to drop toskala as fast as possible he is a waste and almost cost the leafs game against ottawa. frig anyone else see orr knock out carkner round 2 you guys are all just jealous burke has made us a stanley cup contender in less than a year heres to the cup this year we out played everyteam so far and have the best top 6 core in the league now and best defence schenn is going to win james norris hands down and kessel is going to have more goals than ovechkin and crosby combined. Hanley i have platium tickets 3 rows from the ice for the game against the bruins dec 19 msg me if ya wanna come we can get drunk and have a fun time
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 champs mark my words |
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hanley6
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 11:03:48
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finally another smart hockey fan, hanley leafs need to drop toskala as fast as possible he is a waste and almost cost the leafs game against ottawa. frig anyone else see orr knock out carkner round 2 you guys are all just jealous burke has made us a stanley cup contender in less than a year heres to the cup this year we out played everyteam so far and have the best top 6 core in the league now and best defence schenn is going to win james norris hands down and kessel is going to have more goals than ovechkin and crosby combined. Hanley i have platium tickets 3 rows from the ice for the game against the bruins dec 19 msg me if ya wanna come we can get drunk and have a fun time
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 champs mark my words
lol, thanks for the offer but I can't, I'm sure you're just joking. I agree the Leafs should drop Toskala he's played a couple great games in his last 2 starts but that won't last, Kessel won't have more goals then Ovechkin, no one will, and Schenn won't win the Norris this year, maybe in 2010/2011 season... I have a family event to go to that night but we will be watching the Leafs beat the Bruins
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 11:45:53
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The day Luke Schenn wins the Norris is the day I am no longer a hockey fan. If that happens it will be some kind of apocolyptic thought process that would give the Hockey Minds in our world have gotten so stupid, the world may as well end.
For "stud" defensive defensemen he is completely horrible.He was bad last year and he is worse this year. He brings marginal play at best to the table and he is not improving. At least not to this point. I firmly believe that playing him last year ruined him. He should have played another year or two in juniors. know he's young but that's irrelevant.
Look at Doughty if want to see a stud defensemen.Schenn couldn't carry Drew's jock.
And a playoff team?? Seriously?? 9 games under .500 in 30 games and they are a playoff team?? Two weeks ago they were a lottery team. In a week they can be there again.
Get a grip. Burke has STARTED to build a playoff team, but let's get realistic. The Leafs, at absolute best, scramble for the 7th or 8th spot. They will play a team like Washington, Pittsburgh, or New Jersey. All of which will literally steamroll the Leafs.
Komisarek, Beauchemin are among the worst +/- on the team and in the league. A huge improvement??? Wow.
The moniker of a playoff team means that a the team will succeed in the playoffs. The Leafs far from fit that word.
Improving. Borderine. Marginal. Hot Streak.Those words describe the Leafs.
Hanley, let mw know where you find those Blue Tinted glasses. I would like to get a set made that have a Copper and Blue tint to them. Then I can also think that my crappy hockey team will win the Cup too!!
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Leafs81
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 11:50:25
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Are you serious Hanley about droping Orr, Kulemin and Wallin. Those guys bring so much to the team. Orr is a great enforcer and can drop the gloves with anybody in the league. Kulemin as some serious defensive awareness and also has some offensive upsides. Wallin is one of the only forward on the Leafs who knows how to kill a penalty and he's in his first year in the NHL.
About Jamal Mayers I kinda agree because they already have Orr and Primeau plus we have Hanson waiting for his opportunity.
Gustavsson couldn't make it by himself so keep Toskala as long as you can. Toskala is not a bonified starter but with Gustavsson in the mix this makes a solid duo.
We have depth on defense but we are a long shot from being in the elite. Way too many goals against, pk is way too bad and there's still too many turnovers.
Leafs are playing good lately but I still don't think they will be able to overtake the horrible month of october and make the playoffs. They dug themselves in a pretty deep hole. I hope I'm wrong and it's nice to see them in a position where anything is possible all of a sudden.
And Mr Roberts great review, and I also believe Schenn as the POTENTIAL to be a Robyn Regehr or Adam Foote type of player. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 12:03:05
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The day Luke Schenn wins the Norris is the day I am no longer a hockey fan. If that happens it will be some kind of apocolyptic throught process that would give the Hockey Minds in our world have gotten so stupid, the world may as well end.
For "stud" defensive defensemen he is completely horrible.He was bad last year and he is worse this year. He brings marginal play at best to the table and he is not improving. At least not to this point. I firmly believe that playing him last year ruined him. He should have played another year or two in juniors. know he's young but that's irrelevant.
Look at Doughty if want to see a stud defensemen.Schenn couldn't carry Drew's jock.
And a playoff team?? Seriously?? 9 games under .500 in 30 games and they are a playoff team?? Two weeks ago they were a lottery team. In a week they can be there again.
Get a grip. Burke has STARTED to build a playoff team, but let's get realistic. The Leafs, at absolute best, scramble for the 7th or 8th spot. They will play a team like Washington, Pittsburgh, or New Jersey. All of which will literally steamroll the Leafs.
Komisarek, Beauchemin are among the worst +/- on the team and in the league. A huge improvement??? Wow.
The moniker of a playoff team means that a the team will succeed in the playoffs. The Leafs far from fit that word.
Improving. Borderine. Marginal. Hot Streak.Those words describe the Leafs.
Hanley, let mw know where you find those Blue Tinted glasses. I would like to get a set made that have a Copper and Blue tint to them. Then I can also think that my crappy hockey team will win the Cup too!!
You're no fun :(
about the 9 games under .500 well the 7 lost in ot or shootout doesn't count for that stat. It's like a tie, remember when there was Tie????
And I agree with Luke Schenn not winning the Norris as this will certainly never happen, because people who votes for Norris will always think offense and they will look at defenseman who will put up 50 or more points. That's why guys like Scott Stevens, Adam Foote, Robyn Regehr, Chris Phillips who had GREAT careers never won the Norris.
And Beans you can't take seriously fans who are saying YAY start the parade, Kessel will win the Rocket Richard trophy by a long shot, and Burke is flawless because every decisions he makes are the best EVER... Come on, I think every Leafs fan posted reasonable comments about the team and are just showing excitment about the obvious improvment, except for a few Guests why tried to get guys like you going and Hanley.... that's another story.
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| I`m am going to jump for joy within the next 2 weeks when the LEAFS get into 8th place and knock LES HABS into 9th.....after all the fun they have made this year, ITS GOING TO BE HALARIOUS....holy s*** i cant wait....ABOOOOOOOOOO.... |
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Posted - 12/16/2009 : 13:27:51
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first off.. beans thank you for replying to hanleys comments. It saved me a lot of typing..
second... i am tired of hearing peaple (mainly leafs fans) claim there teams are better by not counting overtime or shootout losses.. A loss is a loss. If you are 5-5-5 this does not make a 500 team. you have 5 wins 10 losses. they put the extra column in so you can see how many charity points the team has. Ties are gone. wins are wins and losses are losses.. if you dont want to count overtime losses in your record, then stop counting overtime wins in your record as well |
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Tiller33
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First and foremost I don't know who said Luke Schenn would win a Norris but that is rigoddamndiculous you don't need to win a Norris to be a good d-man. I agree with Leafs81 that Schenn will be a Regehr/Phillips'ish type guy when he is finally an everyday player. Doughty is a phenom so to compare the two isn't fair. Phillips was a number one overall pick remember and even as a Leaf fan I can admit he is a solid NHL defencemen. Guys like Jovanovski and Hamrlik were #1 overall picks too, neither one of whom have won a Norris and are steady reliable blue-liners. Schenn was a 5th overall pick so he has huge expectations, more-over he is in a market where after 3 bad games they call for your head on a platter.
Beans, are the Sabre's currently ruining Tyler Myers? No one knows. these things are a gamble. Schenn was the second best d-man on Toronto last year behind Kaberle (who missed almost 30 games) and deserved every minute he played in the NHL. To judge the kid's career on a few rough months in the most pressurized hockey market in the league is also ridiculous. He isn't ruined, far from it, it's the rough times like this that make good players who they are later in their careers.
As for the Leafs as a whole, yes the last 12 games have been promising and as I said even during their terrible start, the re-build is coming along very well. To the Ear-chewer who said we'd win the cup please tighten you're helmet. Leafs are far from a cup but the building blocks are starting to be put in place to become a competitiive team in the League, something we haven't been in the post-lockout era.
To hanley getting rid of Orr would be a huge mistake, he makes the same amount as Darcy Tucker and he actually plays for our team. He is a character guy and a top 3 heavyweight in league along with Boogard and Parros (throw Laraque in their when he isn't busy slew-footing or lining up someone knee on knee). Leafs haven't had a bonafide tough guy since the departure of Wade Belak (God he was a beauty, love that guy). Kulemin has to be the most frustrating player of all some nights he looks great and is putting in effort at both ends, other nights he is terrible making bad passes, bad clearing attempts and bad back-checks.
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 06:45:39
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As somewhat new to game and brand new to the site I have to comment.
I have never seen a group of fans cheer for mediocrity as much as Leaf fans. Granted they have been playing better lately even with their improved play they have a winning percentage of only .353. 'Maybe it's me but I don't think that is much to cheer about. Currently 2nd last in the league. (The leaf fans must be ecstatic that Cam Ward went down with an injury)
Then it occurred to me that maybe they are having a bad year so I did some research and found out that they haven't won the Stanley cup since 1967. (What, 42 years of losing) I am sure most of the leaf fans have never seen them win anything in their lifetime and the fans that have seen them win would love to see them win a championship in color TV. With 6 teams in the league somebody had to win
Every time the leafs win a game you would think they were on the verge of winning the cup based on comments (more so on TSN than this site) I do find it amusing reading these comments.
Beans I have to agree about Schenn. He is probably the one untouchable on the leafs roster. ( sitting way up in the press box nobody can get near him. If he didn't play in Toronto nobody would even mention him. What a plug.
The first time Boston plays Toronto with Lucic in the lineup Komisarek will most likely be sick or injured. Wait and see.
He is terrified of him. He loves to pick on the small and younger players ( Lucic is young but not small.) but wants nothing to do with Lucic.
Kessel has played well but if you ever do make the playoffs again he won't be much help to you. Never shows up in big games. I guess Toronto is the perfect place to play, no big games and guaranteed long summer.
A couple of teams with similar winning percentages in other sports, I realize there are differences in leagues.
NBA
New York Knicks .333
Chicago Bulls .348
Indiana Pacers .391
Washington .304
MLB
Pittsburgh Pirates .385
Washington .364
Baltimore .395
The only 3 teams with winning percentage under .400
NFL
Buffalo .385
Oakland .308
Chicago .385
Seattle .385
Carolina .385
I don't think anybody is talking about playoffs or championships in any of these cities.
Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me. Is there something in the water in Toronto or is just the Kool-aid.
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Larrydavid
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 07:33:34
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Hanley,
3rd-5th place??????
Schenn Norris 2010-2011??????
You make me laugh.
Thanks
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 07:40:56
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Luke Schenn? Norris? WHAT?
Hometown bias much anyone?
Attention Leaf's fan, you may has well sign yourself into the Habs forum and tell us how Carey Price will have a Vezna in the next 3 years.
One satisfactory season does not an all star make.
Other 2008 Draft Defencemen who, were they wearing a blue maple leaf on their chest, would also have won a Norris by now: Doughty(2), Bogosian(3), Pietrangelo(4)...no Norris yet, but heaps of potential, Myers(12), Teubert(13), Del Zotto(20)...he should probably have two by now, Cuma(23)
Guarenteed if Del Zotta played for the Leaf's we would hear a Norris mentioned. Guarenteed.
Go back to that Habs forum. I'm sure you Leafs fans probably mocked the Habs fans for their Carey Price Vezna talk. Now select your argument, copy it, paste it in this forum and walk away feeling ashamed. I bid you good day. |
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hanley6
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 08:40:49
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wow, you people really can't take a joke.... I never did say Schenn WILL win the Norris in 2010/2011, I said maybe, who knows how that season will pan out... Schenn does have the potential to be one of the best defensive defensmen in the NHL.. He's young he had a great season last year, rough start this year. He's still young lots of time for improvement...
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 08:43:01
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jeeze, this went off the rails in a hurry. The crazy leaf fans took this discussion into fantasy land. I hate when we all get painted witht he same irrational brush.
I tried hard to make it clear that I wasnt planning a parade or punching a ticket to the playoffs, or that the leafs can compete with the best in the league. I just felt that the leafs have been playing well above 500 hockey for over a month and that they had finally started to become the team burke and wilson envisioned before the season started and that the playoffs were becoming more of a possibility.
They are currently tied with Philly, Tampa and the Rangers for 11th in the east and are 4 points back of florida for the 8th spot and only 7 behind ottawa for the 6th spot. The leafs winning percentage is so low because they pretty much lost every game in the first 15, of course your winning percentage sucks. That was the whole point of this post, they started so terribley, many guaranteed that the leafs would finish 29th or 30th and didnt have a prayer of even getting back into the playoff race. I was just pointing out that they have shown alot of heart and played well enough to get back into the thick of the playoff race. Posting some stas from NBA or MLB teams has no relevence here at all whatsoever...
Luke Schenn isnt winning a norris, get a clue. He has a pretty high upside as a 20 year old 5th overall pick, but he has a long way to go to develop into the type of player he was projected to be. Leaf nation caught schenn fever last year and he did play pretty well as rookie against the opositions top lines, but this year he regressed and wilson has his work cut out for him to ensure he isnt the next luke richardson. Doughty is way better.
also, Nik Kulemin has probably been one of their best forecheckers. In only 30 games he has 46 hits (more than every player in their top 6 aside from Ponikarovsky) and has been one the more reliable penalty killers alongside Wayne Primeau. He only plays an average of 12:37 per game and although his offensive game isnt where the leafs would like, his skating and puck pursuit have improved by leaps and bounds.
I just want to reply to some of beans comments as well:
"And a playoff team?? Seriously?? 9 games under .500 in 30 games and they are a playoff team?? Two weeks ago they were a lottery team. In a week they can be there again. "
Seriously, yes. The 8th place team Florida is 7 games under .500, how is that much worse than toronto? Obviously a team can fall from the pack easily but thats so easy to say. Who would have thoguht that the rangers and flyers would be right with the leafs? You have to concede that there is at least the opportunity to do so and judging by the past 15 games or so the leafs are more than capable of keeping up witht he pack for an extended period.
"Get a grip. Burke has STARTED to build a playoff team, but let's get realistic. The Leafs, at absolute best, scramble for the 7th or 8th spot. They will play a team like Washington, Pittsburgh, or New Jersey. All of which will literally steamroll the Leafs. "
First you dismissed the thought of the leafs as a playoff team than proceed to say that at best the scramble for 7th or 8th..... But anyways, you are right on the money. Burke has just begun to reshape the club and they do not match up against the best teams in a playoff series (although they did just beat washington at home twice...) this wasnt the original point though, any intelligent fan can see that burke has alot of work to do.
Keep it realistic. this wasnt meant to be a "i told you so" post or a declaration of the maple leafs awesomeness, just more of an update on their season so far and to see if some people have changed their opinions of the club and if they have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Not "Schenn for Norris!" or "We will win the cup next year Blah!!!!"
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Everyone just jump right back off the Leafs Suck wagon, ok? Sit down, relax, take a breather . . . and let's examine the ONE COMMENT from an anonymous guest that everyone is going on and on about as if it was indicative of every Leaf fan:
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finally another smart hockey fan, hanley leafs need to drop toskala as fast as possible he is a waste and almost cost the leafs game against ottawa. frig anyone else see orr knock out carkner round 2 you guys are all just jealous burke has made us a stanley cup contender in less than a year heres to the cup this year we out played everyteam so far and have the best top 6 core in the league now and best defence schenn is going to win james norris hands down and kessel is going to have more goals than ovechkin and crosby combined. Hanley i have platium tickets 3 rows from the ice for the game against the bruins dec 19 msg me if ya wanna come we can get drunk and have a fun time
Go Leafs Go, Cup 2009/2010 champs mark my words
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Does no one but me realise that this was a completely sarcastic commentary towards Hanley and other "too exuberant" Leaf fans? It's so obvious it would be ridiculous to go through every statement made here and point out why it's obviously a Leaf hater, not a fan . . . and yet many of you (including Beans) gave it no thought to jump right on the Leaf Hate Wagon . . . well, either that, or you continue to give Hanley great credit as being a smart hockey man (boy?) with your disagreement on his statement that while Schenn won't win Norris this year, it may be next year or the year afterward.
It is continually frustrating to read entire threads dominated by posters who continually talk about other posters who always make ridiculous claims, or anonymous posters who put out trolling material - yet the ones who submit well thought out responses get no commentary on their thoughts.
Enough of the Schenn/Norris crap. Enough of the Leafs/cup crap.
Matt Roberts put out a thoughtful piece on his "zombie Leafs" back from the dead, that's all . . . he thinks the Leafs have a legitimate chance at the playoffs now after a horrendous start, that's all . . . and all he wants is some thoughtful answers back from all of you on whether or not you think they have a legitimate chance at the playoffs or not, and why. THAT'S ALL.
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hanley6
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 10:52:57
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I can think of better forecheckers than Kulemin like Primeau, Stajan, Poni, Hagman, even Grabovski, Stempy is a hard working two way player. I strongly feel the frat pack would help the Leafs alot.. they finally called up Stalberg and it wouldn't hurt to call up Bozak and Hanson.
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 11:23:43
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Hey Slozo, step off your soap box for a second and take my comments for what they were. It was not only the guest post talking about the virtues of young Schenn. Minimally it was Tiller indirectly through his Myers comments, Hanley, and Matt Roberts. Perhaps, just perhaps my comments about a apocalyptic thought process might have been a bit sarcastic too?? Ease off with the verbal beating stick as it's not welcome nor warranted. I have the same privilege to post my opinion or argument towards an opinion as anyone else.
Forgive me for having a little fun and arguing the age old Leafs Vs the World. It's the endless battle of good vs evil, light vs darkness, Leafs vs anyone. It's always there and will always be there.
To the Schenn being ruined argument, I repeat I don't think he is ruined, but it COULD have ruined the young player. And to Tiller, Myers is not being ruined. Myers is not only a better player than Schenn, but he was also brought along an extra year in the W. Both Schenn and Myers were drafted in the same year but Myers did not play an NHL game last season.
And to the overtime loss used to be a tie, wrong. An overtime loss has always been an loss. An overtime win has always been a win, and only a game that goes to a shootout would be considered a tie in the old world. To that, Toronto has played in 3 shootouts this year, meaning their record under the old style would be 12-19-3.
After the lose to Phoenix last night, the Leafs are a solid 28th place in the NHL. Could still be 4 points out of a playoff spot, but there are also in a Lottery spot. Not a comfortable position to say the least. They need another 7-3-0 to get into a legitimate comfort zone and I just don't see it happening.
And to my foil Mr. Slozo, if this is not thoughtful enough for you, I was about to apologize but then I realized that I don't post on here to be thoughtful or sympathetic to anyone. I post on here to talk about hockey. My posts are well within the guidelines of the forum. When my post are derogatory, defamatory, or any other big words that are against forum rules, by all means come at me.
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 11:40:37
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I am far from a Leaf hater or a Leaf Fan hater. I actually have a ton of respect for the legitimate fans of the Leafs. The guys that look at things objectively and appreaciate that their team is exactly what it is but still scream their support to their boys anyway. Anyone who could be a fan of a team that has seen such limited success is a die hard fan and I give respect to that.
Some of my favorite posters are in fact Leaf Fans. Guys such as Slozo(although we don't agree much) or Porkchop or Matt Roberts or from yester-year Antroman are all posters that I read every time they post.
And I don't like any fan (Leaf or other wise) that doesn't have any kind of objective or logical view. I would think that at the least some of you recall me even beratting my own Oiler brethern for thier comments towards MacT and Robbie Schremp last season.
I am an equal opportunity hater and lover. I could care less what team you cheer for, as long as your view is at the least marginal realistic. For example, if someone said Kaberle for the Norris, I would not be nearly as aggressive in my opinion as Luke Schenn for Norris.
I don't hate the Leafs specifically or all Leaf Fans. I hate the over abundance of media coverage the Leafs get, but that's not the fault of their fans or the team. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 12:02:32
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Beans15[/i]
[br]Hey Slozo, step off your soap box for a second and take my comments for what they were. It was not only the guest post talking about the virtues of young Schenn. Minimally it was Tiller indirectly through his Myers comments, Hanley, and Matt Roberts. Perhaps, just perhaps my comments about a apocalyptic thought process might have been a bit sarcastic too?? Ease off with the verbal beating stick as it's not welcome nor warranted. I have the same privilege to post my opinion or argument towards an opinion as anyone else.
Forgive me for having a little fun and arguing the age old Leafs Vs the World. It's the endless battle of good vs evil, light vs darkness, Leafs vs anyone. It's always there and will always be there.
To the Schenn being ruined argument, I repeat I don't think he is ruined, but it COULD have ruined the young player. And to Tiller, Myers is not being ruined. Myers is not only a better player than Schenn, but he was also brought along an extra year in the W. Both Schenn and Myers were drafted in the same year but Myers did not play an NHL game last season.
And to the overtime loss used to be a tie, wrong. An overtime loss has always been an loss. An overtime win has always been a win, and only a game that goes to a shootout would be considered a tie in the old world. To that, Toronto has played in 3 shootouts this year, meaning their record under the old style would be 12-19-3.
After the lose to Phoenix last night, the Leafs are a solid 28th place in the NHL. Could still be 4 points out of a playoff spot, but there are also in a Lottery spot. Not a comfortable position to say the least. They need another 7-3-0 to get into a legitimate comfort zone and I just don't see it happening.
And to my foil Mr. Slozo, if this is not thoughtful enough for you, I was about to apologize but then I realized that I don't post on here to be thoughtful or sympathetic to anyone. I post on here to talk about hockey. My posts are well within the guidelines of the forum. When my post are derogatory, defamatory, or any other big words that are against forum rules, by all means come at me.
Yeah back when the ot was 5 on 5. Ever since it switch to 4 on 4 which was prior to the lock out the team that lose in OT is awarded a point. Which is equal to a tie. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 12:05:13
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I would just like to thank Beans, because its fans like him that make it fun to be a Leafs fan. (I mean this literally not sarcastically either)
If we didnt have a Legion of true hockey fans that hated the Leafs, talking hockey stuff like this wouldn't be half as entertaining.
Its the same as being a Yankee fan I would assume ... except they win championships from time to time .... but seriously when you have everyone rooting against you it makes the good stuff that much sweeter. Like when Montreal Canadien fans are singing "Nah Nah, Hey Hey Hey, Goodbye" and we pop 2 quick goals to tie it up.
Regardless of how much anyone may hate the Leafs you gotta admit that a team that can go into another arean and draw as many of their own fans as the home team does is pretty impressive (doing so without winning a Cup since '67 i might add).
I don't make any excuse for the Leafs, when they make bonehead moves (John Ferguson Jr. I'm looking in your direction) I shake my head just like the rest of the rational hockey world but any true fan knows you don't switch teams just cause they suck.
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Leafs81
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 12:48:17
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[i]Originally posted by Leafs81[/i]
[br]And to those of you who doubt that ot lost and shootout lost doesn't count in the % stat. Look at what nhl.com has to say.
In this page you will see clearly that the Leafs are .456 because of there 12-15-7 record. And Florida are .500 with a 14-14-7 record.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAAAAll&sort=points&viewName=summary
I don't care what NHL.com says. A loss is still a lose. In overtime or anywhere else. If it makes a guy feel better to count a lose in OT as 1/2 a win, go ahead. I don't personally. With the Leafs or anyone else. Including my mighty Oilers who are listed not the 15-14-4 they are listed at but are 15-18, 3 games under .500
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 13:01:14
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Hey slozo I appreciate the support, it just seems that every leaf topic turns into the same sort of drivle "Laff fans are dumb 1967" then a leaf fan will spew out some crap about clark or gilmour being awesome. I wanted to try and have a decent conversation about it.
Beans was far from the problem, he makes more sense on here than most people and is a smart hockey fan so i respect his opinion. I think the guest posts' that you pointed out are just as you said, sarcastic comments meant to piss people off and start the troll comments.
The more attention we pay to it, the worse it gets so I think we all know how to handle it.
Part of the reason I saw a window for the leafs to take advantage of was the poor record of the teams they are fighting with. Lets take a look -
The Leafs were 7-3 heading into last nights game in their last 10. They were on a roll and with a few big divisional games coming up (the 4 point games if you will) they could really make some ground.
The Tampa Bay Lightning, a team the leafs are tied with, are 1-7-2 in their last 10. A terrible slide for them.
The Philadelphia Flyers are 2-8 in their last 10, who would have thought?! Another team the leafs are tied with.
The New York Rangers are 2-6-2 in their last 10. See where im going with this? Also a team tied with the leafs.
The Montreal Canadiens are 2 points up on toronto and are 3-5-2 in their last 10 and have lost their last 2.
The leafs were getting hot right as all the teams they were fighting with were going ice cold. Now is their chance to make a move and I really wish they had of won last night instead of forgetting what time the game started. With 2 games against buffalo and 1 against boston over the weekend the leafs have an opportunity to gain significant ground. We just have to see if they can pull it off, or if they will crash and burn like we are used to seeing.
As far as Schenn vs Myers is concerned, lets wait and see how Tyler reacts to his 'sophmore slump' before we compare the former duo. I am very impressed with Myers so far, but honestly Buffalo has been giving him safe minutes, usually against the oppositions 2nd or 3rd lines. Schenn played hard minutes, 20+ per game against the top lines last year.
Luke will be back in the lineup friday, i hope he bounces back with a strong game.
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 13:21:30
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Well Matt, if you look back to my first post in this thread, the first to follow your OP, you will see i predicted this thread to go this way . Re-read my first paragraph and you'll see. And here i was trying to do my best to start off this thread (or at least follow up your OP) in the right way, how quick things can change.
It's not just the Leaf bashers however, it's those Leaf fans, unlike yourself with your OP, who with successful little runs like the Leafs have recently enjoyed, get overzealous and start spouting off about how they're suddenly a contender and such?
That's really where posts like this get so off topic and carried away..... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 13:36:06
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Here's the kicker between Myers and Schenn. Myers is 6'8" and skates like he's a foot shorter. Man is that kid smooth. That in itself is a huge piece of the battle. Huge and can skate?? Anything else is a bonus.
Now, as far as Schenn goes, don't get me wrong, the potential definately is there. But I am concerned that the expectation is far too high and that he will fold like a Canadian Tire tent.
He will be a day to day defensemen in this league for just about any team but to say a Regehr/Phillips type shut down, that's pretty lofty. If he turns into a Matt Greene type shutdown guy, that's a huge accomplishment in itself. He is fine as a #3-#4 defenseman.
But he has a ways to go before he even gets there, and I am not sure if the media/fan base in TO will give him that chance. TO is the one hockey market where the media has as much to do with a players success as their coach.
Now, to the Leafs, now that I looked at the schedule, the next 7 games might be the make it or miss it section of the schedule. 2 games again Buffalo, one agianst Boston, one again Montreal with an Islanders, Pittsburgh, and Edmonton sprinkled in. Those 8 points are basically 16 as they are against division opponents which could set a tone for the rest of the season.
If they go 5-2 in the next 7 winning the division games, that really opens some doors.
Consider this. Last season 93 points made 8th place in the East. If the Leafs go 5-2 in their next 7, that puts them at 17-17-7 with 41 points. So in their final 41 games, the will need 52 or more points. 20+ wins and some OT losses might get them there. A little more than .500.
However, if they go 2-5 in those next 7, they will be at 14-20-7 and have 35 points meaning they will need closer to 60 points to get home. 30 wins in 41 is not likely.
It's a tall order as the best teams in the league often don't play .600 hockey. The Leafs need to do that or better to have a 8th place spot. Very very tall order. Much like my Oil, the Leafs have a steep uphill battle. Not out of the question, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 13:40:04
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yea no kidding, i dont know what kind of disease being a leaf fan can produce but its just nuts. I frequent a really good leafs site (PPP) and we do not have this problem there one bit, to be honest, i only ever really see it on here, the tsn boards and the hockey news boards.
although i have met a few hab fans and snes fans with the same type of disease.... hmmm hehe. weve been through this before, every fan base has a few of them, there are just alot in toronto haha.
Ill leave with this comment; if the leafs manage to take 4 or 5 points from boston and buffalo that would be huge in the standings and huge for their confidence, if they fall flat and go only manage to get 1 or 2 (or worse) then this recent hot streaks momentum comes to a screeching halt
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 13:50:02
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[i]Originally posted by Beans15[/i]
[br]Here's the kicker between Myers and Schenn. Myers is 6'8" and skates like he's a foot shorter. Man is that kid smooth. That in itself is a huge piece of the battle. Huge and can skate?? Anything else is a bonus.
Now, as far as Schenn goes, don't get me wrong, the potential definately is there. But I am concerned that the expectation is far too high and that he will fold like a Canadian Tire tent.
He will be a day to day defensemen in this league for just about any team but to say a Regehr/Phillips type shut down, that's pretty lofty. If he turns into a Matt Greene type shutdown guy, that's a huge accomplishment in itself. He is fine as a #3-#4 defenseman.
But he has a ways to go before he even gets there, and I am not sure if the media/fan base in TO will give him that chance. TO is the one hockey market where the media has as much to do with a players success as their coach.
Now, to the Leafs, now that I looked at the schedule, the next 7 games might be the make it or miss it section of the schedule. 2 games again Buffalo, one agianst Boston, one again Montreal with an Islanders, Pittsburgh, and Edmonton sprinkled in. Those 8 points are basically 16 as they are against division opponents which could set a tone for the rest of the season.
If they go 5-2 in the next 7 winning the division games, I
Consider this. Last season 93 points made 8th place in the East meaning the Leafs are looking at the need for another 61 points in the next 48 games. That means going 31-17 or perhaps 25-12-11 something like that.
It's a tall order as the best teams in the league often don't play .600 hockey. The Leafs need to do that or better to have a 8th place spot.
Very very tall order. Much like my Oil, the Leafs have a steep uphill battle. Not out of the question, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.
great points beans, but here is a bit of a monkey wrench. 93 points was 8th place last year, this year the western conference is killing the east, especially the bottom half of the east and those teams arent racking up as many points. The logjam from 7th -14th is unreal,6 points seperate those teams and it just seems like none of those teams can get any sort of momentum, like my earlier post said, the leafs were the only team in that group with some momentum as of a couple days ago.
It really is wide open and with everyone trading off wins it may not require 93 points this year, but your probably close still.
I think the reason myers dropped from about the 7th spot down to 12th i beleive in his draft year was a knee injury sustained in junior. A big dude with a bad knee is a big risk and thats why I think teams (including the leafs) passed on him. It could come back to haunt them.
I really hope that the city doesnt eat schenn alive, but from what ive heard about him and from what ive seen of him (ive met him) he has a good head on his shoulders and really is a solid young man. Both guys have so many years left ahead of them, it will be interesting to see who really comes out on top.
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Canucks Man
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It seems to me that the Leafs fans blaming Schenns play on the 'sophmore slump' are just reaching for an excuse for his bad play. There is no such thing as the "Sophmore Slump" Its a mith, What did Sidney Crosby do in his second year? ohh thats right he lead the league in scoring. Pavel Bure went from having 60 points to having 60 goals, and 110 points. Kopitar had his best year to date in his "sophmore slump" Niklas Backstrom (capitals not wild) jumped up 19 points last year, his "sophmore slump". So blame his bad play on whatever you want, but pick somthing more reasonable.
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