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Guest7752
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 Posted - 12/23/2009 : 07:43:14
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It is what it is.
Playoff hunt, playoff spot, regardless.... they have shown that they will not give up.
They are (by far) not a good team - especially their coach and GM.
I think they are winning on pure grit and dedication to the cause.
Kessel is the only real talent on the team, and the others are doing their share.
With a team that is assembled such as this one - considering where they are at today, and where they where on Oct/Nov... one must credit the coaching staff OR the pure grit of the team. I believe it is the pure grit of the players. They are winning in spite of the coach. And because of that, It will not take much for them to go back to the way they were in Oct/Nov.
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Posted - 12/23/2009 : 10:20:24
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Guest 7752 giving the Leafs any credit at all - in fact, handing our kudos to the players?!?
It must be the eggnog!
Well, the scratch and claw upwards has stalled somewhat, but unlike 7752, I give out the praise to come back from their horrific start to both players and coach . . . just like I blamed both for the start. I still blame the terrible penalty kill on Wilson for the most part, because to me, he has the players for that (this is why he got Primeau). I question some of the players he decides to put out for the pk, but ultimately, sometimes these stats (for pk/pp) are fickle and not worth worrying about too much - rather, we should be worrying about the general goals against stats.
Let's hope the Zombie Leafs don't return to the crypt during the holidays . . . because we are certainly only a three or four game slide away from bottom of the pile once again.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 12/23/2009 : 10:59:00
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[i]Originally posted by slozo[/i]
[br]Guest 7752 giving the Leafs any credit at all - in fact, handing our kudos to the players?!?
It must be the eggnog!
Well, the scratch and claw upwards has stalled somewhat, but unlike 7752, I give out the praise to come back from their horrific start to both players and coach . . . just like I blamed both for the start. I still blame the terrible penalty kill on Wilson for the most part, because to me, he has the players for that (this is why he got Primeau). I question some of the players he decides to put out for the pk, but ultimately, sometimes these stats (for pk/pp) are fickle and not worth worrying about too much - rather, we should be worrying about the general goals against stats.
Let's hope the Zombie Leafs don't return to the crypt during the holidays . . . because we are certainly only a three or four game slide away from bottom of the pile once again.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Except for Sundin - I never crapped on any Leaf or ex-Leaf player. So cudo's are well deserved... for their efforts up to now.
Unfortunately, and as usual, Leaf management will make sure this "good thing" will end soon... they're not bright enough to realize what's really happening... they will take all the credit and ruin whatever fragile chemistry is going on right now.
The 3 or 4 game skid from the pits may be a reality soon enough. Once management starts to over-rate this team and make what they think are "small" tweaks to now not only take them to the playoffs, but to actually win something - that's when things head south.
Already, this farting around with Shenn is ridiculas. You either play or don't play him. This on-off tihng from the press box is killing his confidence and making him "think" too much when he eventually gets to play.... |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 12/23/2009 : 12:29:22
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Beans, excellent points.
I will not argue that I would have Drew Doughty on my team over Schenn or that Doughty is the better Dman. Doughty as 18yr old rookie was exceptional. He also played in relative obscurity in LA.
This is my breakdown of the names you gave me to compare.
Matt Hunwick played 13 games in he rookie season with Boston as a 23 yr old. Last yr as a 24 yr old he played well for 53 games
Zach Bogosian 18 yrs old in his rookie season with Atlanta, got injured and played only 47 games and got sent down to the AHL. Bogosian is an excellent player, but did not have the impact as an 18 yr old rookie that Schenn did for the Leafs.
Adam Pardy enjoyed a fine rookie season with the flames and proved to be good shutdown man. He played 60 games in is rookie season with Flames last season. He was 25 yrs old.
Tyson Strachan broke through for a 30 game stint with the Blues last season as a rookie. He also spent time in the AHL. He enjoyed some mild success as a 25 yr old rookie.
The only other comparable from you list would have been Zach Bogosian and if he had not got injured I am sure he would have made more of an impact in his rookie season.
The others have 4, 5, or 6 years of pro in the AHL under their belts and enjoyed rookie seasons as more mature players. Schenn was an 18 yr old rookie in the most hockey mad market in the world and succeeded at exceeding all expectations. He is not a point producer like Doughty and he never will be. But he has showed and IMO has the tools to develop into a top shutdown dman in the future. |
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