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Sensfan101
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 Posted - 12/31/2009 : 06:24:05
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I cannot seem to figure out why he would make the team. So far The only reason I have come up with is faceoffs. I know St. Louis, Lecalvalier, Carter, and Doan haven't had very good seasons but how about someone who has had a good season Mike Fisher. Here are their stats Fisher 15 goals 16 assists Bergeron 11 goals and 19 assists.
After naming the team Babcock talked about the reason some of the players made the team he said the quality they were looking for was competiteveness and not skill. They are about equal skill but I would call Fisher the more competitive. You want your weaker players on your fourth line to be physical Fisher is physical and could thrive on a fourth line roll but I don't believe Bergeron will.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 08:50:45
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
I cannot seem to figure out why he would make the team. So far The only reason I have come up with is faceoffs. I know St. Louis, Lecalvalier, Carter, and Doan haven't had very good seasons but how about someone who has had a good season Mike Fisher. Here are their stats Fisher 15 goals 16 assists Bergeron 11 goals and 19 assists.
After naming the team Babcock talked about the reason some of the players made the team he said the quality they were looking for was competiteveness and not skill. They are about equal skill but I would call Fisher the more competitive. You want your weaker players on your fourth line to be physical Fisher is physical and could thrive on a fourth line roll but I don't believe Bergeron will.
One word, Chemistry. Crosby and Bergeron have history. Fisher hasn't had history with any of the selected player that I know of. Fisher may be surprising this year, but as a die hard fan, this is far and away the best he has ever played for us. Was known as a 2way solid defensive player with speed before this year. |
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Guest9622
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:01:06
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| I think Bergeron is a very underrated player and will impress a lot of people at the olympics. |
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sharksfan44
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:01:46
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| srry last one was mine |
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Guest0961
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:13:04
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| To put Bergeron on the team based on chemistry he had with Crosby 5-6 years ago in Juniors is laughable. That might have been the proverbial straw, but in no way could have been the basis of Yzerman's choice. If it was than I'd be very very worried. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:13:22
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Bergeron is a good all around player. But to me that was also a surprise. Other great canadians have good seasons. B. Richards, R. Smyth (if it wouldn't be for the injury), J. Staal.
And to say it's because he has good chemistry with Crosby, I don't buy into that. Who wouldn't have a good chemistry with Crosby, he gave a hat trick to Michael Rupp. I'm sure a guy like St-Louis would have ripped it up with Crosby and Nash. Anybody would... well almost.
But I think they took him for his all around play and ability to shut down the opposition best players. Also faceoffs and versality are important in his case. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:41:53
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Originally posted by Leafs81
Bergeron is a good all around player. But to me that was also a surprise. Other great canadians have good seasons. B. Richards, R. Smyth (if it wouldn't be for the injury), J. Staal.
And to say it's because he has good chemistry with Crosby, I don't buy into that. Who wouldn't have a good chemistry with Crosby, he gave a hat trick to Michael Rupp. I'm sure a guy like St-Louis would have ripped it up with Crosby and Nash. Anybody would... well almost.
But I think they took him for his all around play and ability to shut down the opposition best players. Also faceoffs and versality are important in his case.
I was only refering to chemistry when comparing Fisher to Bergeron. Both with similar stats and all around play. Sensfan and myself are familiar with Fishers ability to play in any situation and as of this year any forward position inside of a rotating line up of linemates. Really the only thing Bergeron has going over Fisher is prior chemistry with Team Canada members, unless I am missing something in Bergerons game which puts him over the top. |
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Guest1763
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:06:28
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Brad Richards in; Bergeron OUT.
The stats speak for themselves:
Bergeron - on pace for 63pts,
- career best 73 pts.
Richards - on pace for 95 pts (which would be a career best)
-currently 10th in league scoring.
-former stanley cup AND Conn Smyth trophy winner
-in 2006 olympics when Canada got shutout 3 times, Brad Richards came through in the crunch with 2 goals and 2 assists in 6gp.
How can you leave a former NHL playoff MVP whose having a career year off the team? |
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:12:03
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Guest 1763 - you hit the nail on the head.
Brad Richards has played his way on this team, and should be there instead of Bergeron in my opinion as well.
He has Olympic pedigree, Bergeron doesn't. He has at least equal skill, but probably more. He has more grit, and is at least even defensively. He is a former playoff MVP, Bergeron has done squat in the NHL playoffs.
Another head scratcher for me for sure.
And the link between Crosby and Bergeron . . . is laughable. How much you want to bet they never play together?
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:15:48
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Originally posted by slozo
Guest 1763 - you hit the nail on the head.
Brad Richards has played his way on this team, and should be there instead of Bergeron in my opinion as well.
He has Olympic pedigree, Bergeron doesn't. He has at least equal skill, but probably more. He has more grit, and is at least even defensively. He is a former playoff MVP, Bergeron has done squat in the NHL playoffs.
Another head scratcher for me for sure.
And the link between Crosby and Bergeron . . . is laughable. How much you want to bet they never play together?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Yep, completely agree specifically with the last statement. Bergeron did not make this team based on a WJC from 5 years ago.
It's the same as people thinking that Getzlaf-Nash-Heatley from the WC a few years ago will reunite. I can't see any way Babcock will rip apart Marleau-Thornton-Heatley. I think that is the only team in the tourney that has an actual day to day line in the NHL on one team. |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:18:06
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Originally posted by Guest1763
Brad Richards in; Bergeron OUT.
The stats speak for themselves:
Bergeron - on pace for 63pts,
- career best 73 pts.
Richards - on pace for 95 pts (which would be a career best)
-currently 10th in league scoring.
-former stanley cup AND Conn Smyth trophy winner
-in 2006 olympics when Canada got shutout 3 times, Brad Richards came through in the crunch with 2 goals and 2 assists in 6gp.
How can you leave a former NHL playoff MVP whose having a career year off the team?
i completley agree that richards should b on this team, he would have definitley been on my team canada, but to tell the truth i dont think i would put him in Bergerons place. I like Bergeron on this team.
now who do u take out in order to put in brad richards? that's the tough question. if it was up to me i would take out mike richards for brad, but mike is a great player and could easily b one of our best players. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:23:13
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Didn't say those guys dont deserve to be on the team. Was the only reason I could think to pick a guy totally of the radar who is playing good, but clearly not on the level of the other guys you mentioned.
Ok, riddle me this then why do you think they selected Bergeron? If you think you know why let us know. There really isn't a good reason to say Bergeron, yes and Fisher, Richards, Doan and Smyth, no. And that doesnt even include Lecavalier, St Louis, Savard etc etc etc... |
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Guest0961
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 11:36:19
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Haha... WJC Chemisty Laughable was my line!!
Now I want to get on board with Bergeron since he's there now. I mean he's a great story, a couple years ago he could barely walk straight for 15 mins, and now on team Canada. So if a Boston fan or anyone else who's paid much closer attention to him this season could please step up and answer for him that would be great.
What puts Bergeron on this team, what combination of factors puts him ahead of:
A) sniping wingers like St. Louis, Cammalleri, Gagne
B) top puck dishers like B.Richards, Savard, Roy
C) grinders with talent like Smyth, Doan, Fisher
D) all around talents like Lecavalier, Carter
and then the host of other bubble guys having good years like: Horton, Penner, etc.. |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 14:38:51
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Well it is hard to argue about Brad Richards not being selected but heres why I think Bergeron is on the team.
He is close to a 60% face off wins and excels on the PK. Something that others on the roster cannot boast about. I think Bergeron and Jonathon Toews represent a formidable PK pairing as they both are excellent at that with their NHL teams and both have high face of winning percentages. Puck control is important and having good faceoff talent certainly helps establish that.
Just my thoughts on why Bergeron was selected, I am sure we could question several omissions but I think Yzerman has a plan and Bergeron fits it.
As far as comparing to Fisher. Fisher is having an above average season but IMO there are several other more talented players who could have been selected over Fisher. Including Bergeron. |
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 08:49:14
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Bergeron good on the PK?
As good as St,Louis, Carter? St Louis is the big one, for me . . . he is one of the best pk guys of all time, and is super dangerous - as is Carter, who would have been a natural to play with Richards (plus, he scored 46 goals last year, and has not totally fallen apart this year)
And face-off percentage . . . man, I really, really hope that they didn't choose Toews and Bergeron based on face-off percentage as I look on nhl.com and see they are both top 7 in this category. Jeff Carter isn't far behind as well, and he has more points than Bergeron this year, as well as finishing second in goals to Ovechkin last year . . . using the face-off percentage logic, wouldn't Carter be ahead of Bergeron?
I really, really, don't get the choice of Bergeron . . . in every category you might advance as a reason for his inclusion, there is someone better, more dynamic, and with a much better pedigree ahead of him.
I would not have argued for St.Louis if Carter was on this team . . . and the same goes for Smyth, Brad Richards and a few others.
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dummy101
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 09:01:39
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| I don't think Brad Richards was ever really a consideration.I don't believe he is a team guy,more a me guy. Bergeron can play all forward positions, kill penalties and I think top 3 or 4 in faceoffs. In a short tournament can't figure out why would you want a hack like that! |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 09:04:20
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| Hey Slozo I was trying to come up with some reasons. I am not sure why Bergeron was selected over others and I am not saying he is better. I just found that he has performed very well for Boston on the PK and he has excelled in the face off circle as well and maybe these are some of the reasoning behind his selection. |
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 10:26:11
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No, I got you Porkchop, I am just postulating out loud as well . . . I have been doing the same thing, trying to figure out reasons why a supposedly smart hockey guy like Yzerman has enough love for Bergeron to put him on the team ahead of the guys we have mentioned.
I would love for anyone to mention an espect of his game we haven't mentioned . . . for a guy who topped out at 31 goals and 73 points four years ago, then had a serious concussion and injury filled seasons for the next three years, scoring 8 goals, 31 assists last year in 64 games. That was on a powerhouse Boston team that steamrolled over everyone in the east, and he was fairly invisible . . . that team was dominated by Savard, Lucic, Chara, and Kessel, and obviously the goalie Thomas. Bergeron was never mentioned as a leader in the dressing room, or a character guy, or one of the key cogs.
And this year, after what I would look at as a dismal year last year, he has done better, but nothing to write home about if you wanted to be considered for team Canada. It looks like he may reach 20 goals and 40 assists . . . which should elicit a yawn from us who are looking at bonafide stars players to replace him with, especially considering that he doesn't bring much more to the table than a bit of pk'ing and an excellent faceoff percentage. But if choosing for pk, Carter would be head and shoulders above him - he has played mostly with Richards in his short career, and they have excellent pk chemistry. He is also grittier than Bergeron, scores more goals, and is a slightly faster skater IMHO.
Like I said, I really hope he wasn't just chosen for face-offs. What a waste that would be!
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Guest4666
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 11:26:04
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Umm...why isn't anyone complaining about Morrow?
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 12:05:08
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No one is complaining about Morrow because everyone knew there would be a player like Morrow on the squad. The other choices for the pure sandpaper roll such as Doan and Smyth do not have the heathy or are having the season that Morrow is having.
As far as Bergeron goes, it makes me scratch my head more than any other pick as well. The points being brought up by Slozo and Chop I can't argue with. There has to be something there for the guys to put him on the team ahead of Carter and St. Louis. Maybe there is more to the potential locker room issues in Philly including Carter than the media is talking about??? That's the only thing I can see that would put Carter behind Bergeron.
But there is nothing that puts St. Louis behind Bergeron. |
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