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Tiller33
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 Posted - 07/06/2010 : 12:47:02
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It's July 6th and Tomas Kaberle has yet to be moved by the Toronto Maple Leafs. We've all heard the Toronto line put forth by Brian Burke & Co. that if they don't recieve what they want for Kaberle they have no trouble keeping him and working on a long term extension.
I like Tomas Kaberle and I especially like him at the price he's paid. That being said even with the aquisition of Versteeg and Armstrong the Leafs group of forwards is not yet where it needs to be in order to contend in the East (Mikhail Grabovski I'm looking in your direction).
Kaberle is a bargaining chip that Burke has used essentially since the March 3rd trade deadline. His posturing aside I believe Burke really want's to move him in order to better balance out his forwards.
My question is, has Brian Burke overplayed his hand when it comes to the Tomas Kaberle negotiations?
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Edited by - Tiller33 on 07/06/2010 12:52:50
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:37:35
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I think he has, and I believe the final nail in the coffin was Phaneuf being given the C. Not saying Kaberle should have gotten it, but it was a pretty loud and clear message that Phaneuf is Burke's #1 defensemen and cornerstone, not Kaberle.
Looking into the future, the Leafs have $18.3 million tied into Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Komisarek, and (hehe) Finger through next season. Let's face it, Kaberle will command Gonchar/Rafalski type money next season so there is a $5-$6 million price to be paid.
So financially speaking, it will be difficult for Burke to sign Kaberle. So if I am a GM and I know that Kaberle is expendable and also know that a re-sign is not a sure thing, why would I give full value in a trade for a player I can get for nothing in one year??? I would take him if I could get him, but I definitely would low ball the deal. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:53:21
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The other thing that too many GM's say but none have done is say they are willing to put a guy in the minors to eat his salary. After listening to an interview with Dave Nonis on the Fan 590 in Toronto on July 1st I get the impression the Leafs are ready to do it with Finger if it were help them upfront or to re-sign Kaberle.
Kaberle has been playin second (third, fourth) fiddle to guys like McCabe so nothing new to him. Not to mention last year when with Komisarek hurt he didn't exactly step-up and take the bull by the horns to be that #1 Captain kinda guy.
Like I said, I like Kaberle but I think he woulda been a worse choice at captain than Phaneuf. Whether or not Dion can handle it well, time will tell.
At the end of the day I do think Burke has lingered too long on Kaberle and won't get the ideal return he is looking for, so the question to me becomes will he actually tow the line and resign him? or will Tomas even be interested in resigning?
Giguerre's $6 million comes off next year so some of those dollars could go to Kaberle, although I think Burke will poise himself to make a bigger splash next July 1st when the UFA class is stronger upfront than this year's class.
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:00:24
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heres one for you guys:
loui eriksson
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:12:41
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If its a deal with Dallas Brad Richards or Mike Riberio would be more likely culprits i think.
I don't like either deal but the cash strapped stars would be more interestedin moving the higher cap hits of Ribero at $5 million for the next 3 years, or Richards at $7.8 million next year.
The stars say they will operate with a cap closer to $50 million, so they are likely looking to shed salary.
Erikksson has too much upside for the dollar for Dallas to move I think, not to mention he has a NTC. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:19:11
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This would be an interesting trade for Sharks and Leafs fans.
To SJ
Kaberle
Schenn
5th round
To Toronto
Setoguchi
Huskins
Joslin
I would like it as a Sharks fan.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:23:01
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Are you high? 2 top 4 defencemen and a pick for a top 6 forward and a 5th and 6th defencemen?
Pavelski maybe, Setoguchi is a solid forward bot not even close to worth that. |
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:30:00
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| i agree with tiller, y would the leafs want to trade schenn for basically joslin and huskins, probably the biggest bums on san jose |
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 14:41:05
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| Burke could have had Boston 15 overall pick and a prospect for Kaberle. Its obvious Burke wants alot for him. I like Kaberle but he is not a Pronger, Chara type defenceman. I believe Kaberle will play the year in Toronto and Burke will get very little by the Trade deadline of 2011. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 15:02:57
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Now before everyone goes off the wall I'm not suggesting any of these players are actually in play for Kaberle. However, Burke has stated he desires a number one centre for him, so here is a list of guys around the league I believe would fit that bill:
Derek Roy $ 4 mil
Ryan Malone $ 4.5 mil
Mike Ribero $ 5 mil
Stephen Weiss $ 3.1 mil
P.M. Bouchard $ 4.08 mil
Travis Zajac $ 3.89 mil
Marc Savard $ 4.01 mil
Jeff Carter $ 5 mil
Brad Boyes $ 4 mil
Jordan Staal $ 4 mil
Brandon Dubinsky $ 1.85 mil
Savard, Malone, and Ribero are the only names I have actually heard floated for Kaberle.
And obviously a straight up deal for some of these names such as Carter won't happen. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 16:04:08
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Key to any deal for Kaberle will be the ability of the acquiring team to work out a deal with him for beyond next season. I don't think any team is going to realistically trade any of the players that have been listed for a one-year dman that walks after that.
I don't know if Burke is giving other teams a chance to talk to Kaberle about a deal beyond next year or not, although that might affect the sorts of offers he gets.
I also think that Kaberle will leave TOR next year - why would he sign with them again? All he seems to get is a permanent life on the public trading block after he signs.
BTW - I believe that Kaberle has a NTC that kicks back in after the summer ends, so if Burke doesn't trade him before then, Kaberle owns his own destiny - including at next year's trading deadline. Every day Burke waits for the perfect deal, Kaberle's value drops. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 16:11:35
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Burke said in an interview following the draft that he would be open to letting another team negotiate with Kaberle if it "were the right situation" so who knows.
I defiantely agree that Kaberle's value would be immensely increased if he were able to work out an extension with whatever team wants him. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 16:53:13
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Ok Ill fix it
To SJ
Kaberle
Schenn
Caputi
To Toronto
Heatley
Huskins
Murray
I would love this trade hate Heater and Huskins.TO gets a scorer and a so so defenseman,And a solid D-Man.Sharks get 2 great D-Men wich they need and a 3rd line player who can score.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Guest4776
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 16:55:22
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| as if sj would trade him after 1 season |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 17:05:31
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Jumbojoe, this isn't NHL10! No way, I mean no way will Brian Burke move Schenn for the mediocre players you are suggesting.
In your trades, SJ always is coming out the clear winner, SJ gives up one high calibre player and some interchangeable players, while TO gives up Luke Schenn and Tomas Kaberle!
Come on, you're not trying to slip this one past AI, your trying to slip it past a Harvard Grad in Brian Burke. Plus, like the guest mentioned, Burke wouldn't be keen on getting rid of Caputi after just acquiring him a few months ago.
I don't like the Leafs, but I also don't think they're stupid. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 17:57:06
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| I think if Burke is to trade Kaberle he should do it sooner rather than later.This has dragged out long enough, it`s getting like a soap opera. One can only assume Burke has a keen eye on 1 particular player, with a possible but not for certain deal pending. I`m thinking he is watching the Bobby Ryan situation in Ana. with keen interest, not saying he will get him ( via a trade of course, NOT offer sheet ). If he were able to lure Ryan from the ducks it would take a good package, maybe Kaberle, Kulimen and a good prospect. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 18:23:23
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Ba ha ha, I think Burke would rather shoot himself in the head than bring in Heatley. Just because Wilson was stupid enough to bring in Heatley doesn't mean other GM's are.
Like I said I think Pavelski would be the only intrest Burke would have for any forward on the Sharks. Setoguchi maybe, but sure as hell not for Kaberle and Schenn. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 19:40:52
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What about Thornton. hehe...
and also nuxfan, teams pays a lot for a rental. If a team feels like they got a shot at the cup this year but the only thing missing is a puck moving defenseman, I don't know why they wouldn't go for it. You can only have a contending team for a certain time and most teams will do everything they got to win the cup while they're contenders. And at 4.2 million it's a pretty good bargain for a rental.
And then after the playoff run you have first hand to try and deal with the player to sign him. The player is also familiar with the team, the coach, the management, the city, so he would consider the offer. Look at Kovalchuk and NJ.
I don't believe that every teams are only interested in a long term deal contract, contending teams are sometimes looking for what they need right now in order to win this year. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 20:49:00
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and also nuxfan, teams pays a lot for a rental
Well, there is pay, and there is PAY.
I don't think any team would pay a top-3 forward for a rental dman, straight up. Tiller's wishlist is made up of mainly top-3 (on their respective teams) forwards.
If no contract extension can be worked out with Kaberle and the team-that-takes-him, why would that team give up a proven top-3 forward, likely signed to a favourable cap-hit deal, for more than one year into the future?
The only way Kaberle gets traded without a contract extension is:
- acquiring team is dumping salary in return
- acquiring team is not giving up any value from planned 2010/11 roster - bit players/prospects/draft picks only |
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 06:42:55
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To the question at hand, I think it's very, very difficult for us to tell if Burke has overplayed his hand . . . because we don't truly know what deals are out there, or what the market is REALLY like. We have no idea if Burke is constantly getting lowball offers that none of us would agree to, or offers with very little return, or with players we also wouldn't take
That aside, I would say no, Burke can't have overplayed his hand yet . . . as it is still summer, and training camp is still a couple of months away. Lots of time yet.
I would say Burke might be in trouble of overplaying his hand if it starts getting close to preseason, or we start preseason, and Kaberle still hasn't been dealt. Then, the pressure sort of switches to Burke, who certainly doesn't want his prize bargaining chip acting as a lame duck defenceman that everyone knows will get traded at some point.
Would love to see Burke get some value for Grabovski as well, now THAT would be magic!
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 08:24:48
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Of course it's impossible to say that Burke has overplayed his hand, but one has to look at a couple of things:
1) Burke has said Kaberle will move for the right deal, so he is definitly more than available, he is on the market.
2) Kaberle is exactly as advertised. Elite puck moving, offensive, PP-QB defensemen with average defensive skills. Guys like this are few and far between and there are MANY teams in the NHL without a Kaberle type player or players inferior to Kaberle
If we can agree on both of these things, then why hasn't a deal been done??? I mean Kaberle is a commodity and Burke wants to move him right??
The logically answer is one of three things. Either Burke wants far too much, the other GM realize that Burke is no planning to resign Kaberle so they are lowballing the offers knowing there it is likely to see Kaberle hitting the market next July, or a bit of both.
To me, Burke did overplay his hand. Why would he say nothing about Kaberle and let the other GM's come to him with real offers?? |
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 08:53:14
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Because Beans, as Burke has done to great effect in the past, he wakes up the other GMs by saying "my guy is available!!!" so that they know he's on the market.
And being picky about what the Leafs get back for Kaberle is a trait I value highly . . . because I want the greatest possible value, and someone who fits into what we want/need:
- a top 6 center (pref. top line guy, young, big . . . 2/3 of these would be great!)
- a scoring winger (see above)
My three possible reasons for Kaberle not being traded yet, edited from your reasons Beans:
1) Burke is waiting with a couple of offers on the table to see if he can bargain out a better deal, or create a bidding war
2) Other GMs are only offering lowball returns, and there hasn't been a serious offer yet really
3) Burke has a chance at a couple of gems he really wants in return for Kaberle, and there is still discussion/bargaining giong on to leverage the deal
And to the people making comments as if getting a player in the lsat year of a deal is a "rental" . . . last time I checked, a one year contract has never been referred to as a rental within the hockey media. Deadline deal acquisition, yes - definitely a rental. One year player acquired for a great team to make a run (see: Hossa) - not a rental.
Plus, they have all year to extend the deal with the player.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:01:02
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just a couple things to keep in mind when suggesting things,, for example an offer sheet to Bobby Ryan could not happen, A. the leafs do not have anywhere near the cap space, B. they would need their first round pick for next year in order to make an offer sheet (which they do not have and will not get back)
When suggesting trade like the Heatley one above,, again they do not have the cap space, to take on Heatley's contract, they have 2 million roughly to play with now,, and if Kabby is dealt that gives them a roughly 6 million left,,, the reason Kabby hasn't moved yet is other GMs need to dump salary back to pick up Kabby or want to dump salary back to the Leafs,, and Burk doesn't want any Salary for Kabby or any overpaid players for Kabby
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Deaner
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:01:19
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| Seriously what is everybodys beef with heatly and thornton are you guys insane I would kill to have either of these guys especially thornton |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:08:55
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[i]Originally posted by slozo[/i]
Would love to see Burke get some value for Grabovski as well, now THAT would be magic!
Yep and maybe he will trade Jeff Finger straight up for Ovechkin.
As for Heatley and Thorton Deaner. Heatley is a cancer which is why he is in San Jose to begin with. As for Thorton he is a top talent but is quite frankly a proven loser. He was invisible at the Olympics and was greatly outshone by Pavelski in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong I like Big Joe but if you're looking to build a winner not sure he is your guy to build around. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:50:42
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[i]Originally posted by Pasty7[/i]
[br]just a couple things to keep in mind when suggesting things,, for example an offer sheet to Bobby Ryan could not happen, A. the leafs do not have anywhere near the cap space, B. they would need their first round pick for next year in order to make an offer sheet (which they do not have and will not get back)
When suggesting trade like the Heatley one above,, again they do not have the cap space, to take on Heatley's contract, they have 2 million roughly to play with now,, and if Kabby is dealt that gives them a roughly 6 million left,,, the reason Kabby hasn't moved yet is other GMs need to dump salary back to pick up Kabby or want to dump salary back to the Leafs,, and Burk doesn't want any Salary for Kabby or any overpaid players for Kabby
Pasty
No Leafs fans suggested the Leafs should give an offer sheet to Bobby Ryan. Non-Leafs fan jump on the conclusion that's how we suggested Brian Burke should do it. We were talking via trade, and yes we came to the conclusion that we don't have much to give in order to get a player of that caliber.
And for the cap space according to nhlnumbers.com the Leafs has 6.681 million under the cap right now. It's always possible to put Finger in the minors clearing up another 3.5 and Kaberle being traded would give 4.25 million more space. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:01:32
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[i]Originally posted by Deaner[/i]
[br]Seriously what is everybodys beef with heatly and thornton are you guys insane I would kill to have either of these guys especially thornton
I know what you mean, but the offer would probably be too much. Thornton would be exactly what we need, a big first line playmaking center. But I doubt he's on the market, and if he is we would probably have to give Schenn, Kadri, Kessel and Kaberle. hehe... |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:53:03
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[i]Originally posted by The Duke[/i]
[br]I I`m thinking he is watching the Bobby Ryan situation in Ana. with keen interest, not saying he will get him ( via a trade of course, NOT offer sheet ).
i missed the NOT my apologies they way i had read it is via trade or offer sheet my bad
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:56:57
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also according to capgeek which i checked out is updated with the leafs current Roster including new aqquistions and they say a little more than 2.5 mil in cap space,, i dont know about NHL by the numbers if its updated like capgeek but i think the difference may have something to do with bonuses
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 12:30:57
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[i]Originally posted by Pasty7[/i]
[br]also according to capgeek which i checked out is updated with the leafs current Roster including new aqquistions and they say a little more than 2.5 mil in cap space,, i dont know about NHL by the numbers if its updated like capgeek but i think the difference may have something to do with bonuses
Pasty
Yeah I think so because nhlnumbers is all updated. And like you said the difference probably has something to do with bonuses. I don't really get bonus. On nhlnumbers it says total cap hit 55.254 which would leave them with 3. something of cap space. Then it says 2.535 bonus cushion so I guess they add this cushion to the cap space because it says cap space is 6.681.
I will go and check out capgeek. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 13:21:46
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Not to go off topic, but I have to ask:
If Heatley is such a cancer, why did SJ have their best performance in recent history and why did Patrick Marleau have a career season??
Don't you think it Heatley was such a cancer that SJ would have done WORSE and that you might have noticed something with Team Canada at the Olympics as well??
Just sayin...... Maybe this is a media driven assumption from Ottawa(or Edmonton's sour grapes)?? By the way, his former team mates in both ATL and OTT never said he was a bad team mate.
Regardless, this Kaberle for Gagne deal actually sounds plausible, with the exception that Philly's defense is getting really crowded. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 14:42:48
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Dany Heatley is a cancer? News to me.
As an Ottawa Senators fan, I will be the first to admit that I am very sad that he left Ottawa. But, as a person, he has the right to not want to work somewhere. As, do I.
But to me, Heatley is a highly skilled offensive-minded forward. He has two, 50 goal seasons, two 41 goal seasons, and two 39 goal seasons.
That is 6 NHL seasons (out of 8), with 39 Goals or more!
Heatley is a goal scoring machine in the NHL. To consider him as next to nothing, is just incorrect. Don't let your perception of him, cloud his skill.
I don't find Heatley to be a cancer, at all. He produces on whatever team he plays for. Scoring 40+ goals in Atlanta is a difficult task. That, only he and Kovalchuk have done. (I believe. Someone else may have, perhaps).
Heatley has made some mistakes, sure. But, who hasn't? I sure have. The death incident being the worst, perhaps. But, he's no cancer. Wanting to move NHL teams for personal reasons, does not cause a bad teammate. Playing there, unhappy, just for the money, would be more of a bad teammate.
Any team who employs Dany Heatley, are getting their worth. a 40-50 goal scorer is tough to come by in the NHL.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 15:51:48
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Fair enough agree to disagree on Heatley but you couldn't pay me to have him on my team.
2 new, actualy recycled rumours on Kaberle I heard mentioned today are that as soon as Commrade Kovalchuck decides what he wants to do the Leafs will either ship Kaberle to Los aNgeles for Wayne Simmonds and a prospect or to Philadephia for Simon Gagne.
I've heard too many rumours to give either much credence but who knows. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 15:58:52
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| i think Irvine what tiller means is that it seems like Heatley is a robotic player who just goes through the motions. Its like he sure can score when the opportunity is there, but he doesn`t push to get to the net, he doesn`t show any WINNING emotion, as does Thorthon in my opionion. It seems like some players aren`t willing to sacrifice their body to win, and the above mentioned are in that club. Can you honestly understand why a guy the size of Thorthon ( with his skill ) can go 10 games in the playoffs with 1 goal ?? Don`t give me that `` he loves to pass bull ``, truth is he WON`T go to the net. If he wanted to bad enough who is going to stop him ? |
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 16:30:26
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| Maybe thats what the Leafs need, Their version of that French Canadian superstar that Montreal has aways had. Joe Thornton I would think, love to play in Toronto. Maybe that would light a fire in him and help him succeed in the playoffs. I believe he is a free agent next year. Maybe Burke should wait one more year before making any drastic moves for a centerman. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 16:53:25
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Its more that I feel Heatley has a poor work ethic. There were several times last season that he was put on the 3rd and 4th lines due to poor back checking and unwillingness to play hard. The offensive talent is unquestionable but for that $ I'll take a player who might score 30-35 goals and comes with some grit and strong leadership characteristics. Something in the mold of an Eric Staal or Rick Nash.
Just my opinion on the guy |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:37:24
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I guess that is where we differ. I find Heatley to be a pretty hard working player on the ice. I've not witnessed him practice, but I have witnessed him play quite often. And to me, he plays an okay all-around game.
Is he a defensive superstar? Certainly not. No where near it. But, a lot of his goals do come from the slot. He may not be screening goaltenders, but he is in those rough areas a ton. In fact, most of his goals come from the slot.
And, I don't want my 50 goal scorer screening the goaltender, deflecting pucks, fighting and blocking shots anyways. I want him there to score me 50 goals. Not be injured.
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 04:49:52
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Re: the discussion on Heatley, Thornton value
I do think it is not outside the realm of possibility that the Leafs could pull off some mega-trade with San Jose . . . especially with Thornton, who is the exact player Burke is looking forward minus the glittering playoff resume. Other than that, you can't get more perfect.
But it really would take a mega deal . . . something in the range of Kaberle, Grabovski and a very solid prospect for, say, Thornton and a 2nd/3rd rounder. And like any huge deal like that, the possibilities are slim that it actually gets done.
I would take it, if that was the deal and I was Burke. Thornton could re-build his rep in Toronto in the playoffs, Boston would be very pissed, and we'd suddenly have a contender on our hands, and quite possibly one of the better lines in the eastern conference.
As for the Gagne rumour, I really don't see why Philly would want Kaberle, as Beans stated, it's getting crowded back there . . . but it is Philly we are talking about. Every year it seems they need a top flite goalie, and instead get a bunch of players that while very skilled, aren't entirely necessary. Even with an aging Pronger, they have Carle who is the exact same version as Kaberle, only younger . . . so I don't get it.
I have big reservations about Gagne, and it is ONLY about injuries - other than that, I'd be thrilled to have him. So with the big caveat that he would need to be healthy for three seasons, I'd be very happy to get him.
sigh. When is this waiting gonna be over?
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 10:43:18
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What about this trade??
To Toronto
Burrows
2nd round pick
To Vancouver
Kaberle
GO SHARKS GO |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 11:01:16
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I do think it is not outside the realm of possibility that the Leafs could pull off some mega-trade with San Jose . . . especially with Thornton, who is the exact player Burke is looking forward minus the glittering playoff resume. Other than that, you can't get more perfect.
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As with other teams, I question how much SJ needs a player like Kaberle. They have 7 dmen signed for next year, and Boyle is the undisputed leader of that pack. Vlasic is up-and-coming offensively. They have a good mix of youth and size.
In all seriousness, If SJ is serious about trading Thronton, there will be more suitors than TOR, and most of them will be able to offer better.
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What about this trade??
To Toronto
Burrows
2nd round pick
To Vancouver
Kaberle
1. The Canucks have a set defense next year, and IMO have a very good defense. They have no need for Kaberle.
2. If we ship Burrows and take on Kaberle, we'll be over the cap.
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 11:46:06
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Honestly JumboJoe, I don't mean to call you out so many times on one thread, but your trade suggestions off the wall in terms of team needs and wants.
I know they're theoretical, and in all truth, I wouldn't do any better. Just realize Burke is going to get the value he wants for Kaberle, or else he won't trade him. On the flip side, he will make sure the other team he might trade Kaberle will be satisfied enough to give up the players he wants. |
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Tomas Kaberle - Bargaining Chip 
