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nuxfan
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 Posted - 12/27/2010 : 11:49:33
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So my question still remains, is there anything Burke could give up to get Parise? Another first rounder and Kulemin or Grabovski or Versteeg?
Your point about arbitration is a good one - NJ will have to offer him at least 5M in order to force arbitration. I would think an arbitrator would give a 1 year deal in the 5-7M range, given past performance. After that deal, he's UFA and can go anywhere - unless the CBA gets reworked. Its all very complicated. I still think NJ will do whatever they can to keep Parise - including trying to get Brodeur off the books in some way.
Burke has things to offer. The real question is will it be the best offer? I would think 20 teams would be in the running for Parise (only the already-set-and-spending-to-the-cap or the very poor will not be at the table), and they'll all have an offer to make. Many of them will be very good offers.
I seriously doubt TOR will put the best offer forward. A single first rounder and a throw-away will not cut it. |
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Posted - 12/27/2010 : 11:52:28
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| Brian Burke gets a C- and has his credibility in serious doubt. He gambled and lost big time on the trade for Kessel who is definitely not a player that you would build your team around. He is however a complimentary piece if Leafs had say that cornerstone center that leafs should have targeted in the first place. Wouldn`t Matt Duchene have looked good as leafs first line center right now. Burke, obviously overated Kessel. In fact, he is a wonderful skater with a great shot and a gift for scoring goals. Unfortunately, he is also a selfish one dimentional with little heart and even less grit and when the going gets tough, he dissappears like magic. .... but not all is lost despite no first round pick, little in the way of prospects and a salary cap system that can`t fix things with loads of financial clout. The answer is rebuild, use all that money to build your scouting staff to the biggest and best in the hockey business, leave no stone untouched and uncover those gems throughout the world that may cover up those blunders that you ( Burke) created in the first place. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/27/2010 : 16:07:10
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I don't see Parise leaving New Jersey nor do I see anything the Leafs have that would benefit the Devils.
Arnott and Langenbrunner are both UFA's next season which will free up $6+ million. They are already trying to drop Rolston and if they can find a way for that it's another $5 million. That's $11 million reasons for Parise to sign long term. I would have to assume that part of the plan for Kovalchuk was to keep Parise as well. There is no benefit of Kovalchuk over Parise so it just doesn't make sense for the Devils to not keep Parise.
That being said, that plan was at the start of the year. The Devils have obvious holes through their line up and Brodeur(even in he's still got it) has no more than 2 years left. So the Devils might be smart in taking the 5-1st round picks they would get for Parise.
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TheRC
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Posted - 12/27/2010 : 16:35:43
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Parise? He's damn good, I wouldn't argue that, but who in their right mind would offer up 5 first round draft picks for him?
With the salary cap in place for a few years now, we've all seen the value of entry level contracts in building the cup winning teams in Pittsburg and Chicago. Burke giving up two years worth of 1st round picks for Kessel was seen as reckless at the time and disasterous in hindsight; giving up half a decade worth of first round picks is absolute stupidity, for any team, no matter how good Parise is.
Is anybody stupid enough to kneecap their long term future for one player? Even with a contending team I thought needed one more piece, I'd think twice about making such a move... At which point my mind would probably wander to the mess that is the New Jersey Devils, a team which drastically over-paid for that "one last piece" they thought they needed to make a run for the cup. Look how that's turned out.
Can anybody think of another team that looks guaranteed to profit from Parise *right now* instead of 5 first rounders in the next few years? I sure can't. New Jersey needs to be seriously worried about an arbiter giving him a contract the team cannot afford.
That said, even though I doubt anybody would offer 5-first rounders for Parise, NJ, considering the mess they are in, may be willing to make some kind of a deal. Unfortunantly, I don't think the Leafs have anything to offer the Devils. The odds of the guy landing in Toronto are pretty much nil.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 12/27/2010 : 18:31:08
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RC - no one is saying that 5 first round picks would be offered, however if someone were to present an offer sheet to Parise as an RFA, the dollar amount of the contract would stipulate up to 4 first round picks as compensation. The breakdown for RFA offer sheet compensation:
$863,156 or less: None
$863,156 - $1,307,812: 3rd round pick
$1,307,812 - $2,615,625: 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,437: 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,437 - $5,231,249: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
(Kessel fits here) $5,231,249 - $6,539,062: Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,062 or more: Four 1st round picks
I can see quite a few teams giving up Kessel-type picks to add Parise, and putting offer sheets for less than 6.5M - EDM, TOR (can do this next summer I believe), TB perhaps, STL, LAK (if they have the room after resigning Doughty). On a longterm deal Parise would likely accept such an offer sheet.
It would ultimately depend on the team and what they currently have for assets both on the team and in the farm. A team like EDM has 3-5 very promising young players, a need for a scoring winger, and cap space up the wazoo. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 12/27/2010 : 19:17:59
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Interesting point about Oilers and cap space.
Though I doubt Oilers would want to give up any first rounders any time soon, they could offer a few players for Parise, and say Rolston, to give NJ cap relief.(ie, Hemsky,some prospects for Parise, Rolston)
Edmonton could handle the cap hit for a year, and NJ would have a great passer for Kovy. (Though Hemsky's contract is up in 2 years) |
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 03:24:01
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| Burke has proven that he doesn't mind giving first rounders away, and Parise is American. just some food for thought. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 14:26:26
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Whats the plan in Toronto ?? you ask..
As an avid leaf fan and after watching them play all this season, the true answer to this question is !!!
Who the F**K knows 
Some nights they play and get medicore goaltending....some nights they don`t play and get good goaltending. This teams performance on a nightly basis is like opening a surprise package...who knows what the hell your gonna get !!! |
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nuxfan
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 22:08:17
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uhh the only way the leafs can make an offer sheet to anyone requiring a first round pick is to re aquire their first round pick from Boston, and well if they could do that i think they would want to keep that pick.... In order to make an offer sheet the team has to have their picks to offer,,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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polishexpress
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Posted - 12/29/2010 : 23:03:51
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| Pasty, nobody was saying that TOR would do an offer sheet where they didn't have the draft picks for it (ie Parise) (or at least I don't think they were) we were just debating whether TOR could entice NJ with anything to trade for Parise instead of waiting for an offer sheet or signing Parise themselves. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 07:17:14
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Originally posted by Pasty7
uhh the only way the leafs can make an offer sheet to anyone requiring a first round pick is to re aquire their first round pick from Boston, and well if they could do that i think they would want to keep that pick.... In order to make an offer sheet the team has to have their picks to offer,,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Uhh, yes TO can make an offer sheet. Any team can make an offer sheet. The compensation structure does not state the 'next' series of draft picks. Just because TO doesn't have one next year does not mean that they don't have more coming. Once they are established in a trade or compensation they can not be re-traded. However, using this Parise example, NJ would get TO's 1st round picks in '12, '13', '14, and '15 if Parise signed a max offer sheet.
No team is exempt from the ability to use the offer sheet system because they traded picks. At least this is the way I understand the RFA system. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 09:26:46
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Why all this talk about Parise ?? Why on earth would NJ move Parise ?? Look what they`ve done without him . People then say that one player doesn`t make a difference.....that depends on who that player is.
Anyway...what kind of a nut job would offer all these first round draft picks for one player ( Parise ) ??
4 - 5 first round picks ?? Gretzky or Lemieux...maybe ??
Then again...looking at this logic ( Gretzky // Lemieux >>> may or may not equal 4 - 5 first round picks ), Phil Kessel is less than one / half a Gretzky or Lemieux and he fetched 2 first round picks, plus a second i think  |
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Mario 66
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 07:22:58
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The sadest part about living in the toronto area and watching leafs games is that there is truly no hope for this time anytime in the near future. You look at the islanders, devils, hurricanes, oilers & the other lowely ranked teams and there is atleast a light at the end of the tunnel. They either have young prospects with great potential or very tradible assets but the leafs truly have nothing to hope for and nothing to look forward to.
So to answer the thread the only plan left for Toronto for atleast the next 5 - 10 yrs is PRAY that one of your 5th round picks turns out to be the next St. Louis or Datsuyk otherwise sit back relax & learn to enjoy golf every april for the next decade.
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Beans15
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 08:43:38
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Originally posted by Mario 66
The sadest part about living in the toronto area and watching leafs games is that there is truly no hope for this time anytime in the near future. You look at the islanders, devils, hurricanes, oilers & the other lowely ranked teams and there is atleast a light at the end of the tunnel. They either have young prospects with great potential or very tradible assets but the leafs truly have nothing to hope for and nothing to look forward to.
So to answer the thread the only plan left for Toronto for atleast the next 5 - 10 yrs is PRAY that one of your 5th round picks turns out to be the next St. Louis or Datsuyk otherwise sit back relax & learn to enjoy golf every april for the next decade.
Lemieux owns Gretzky
I would not say that NJ has much light at the end of the tunnel. They moved most of their young talent in the Kovalchuk deal along with some draft picks. They also lost more in the NHL punishment for circumventing the cap. They are much in the same boat as TO. Spent lots of money on players that have not performed. Some would also argue the Devils are in worst shape as they are older. I would lump the Leafs in with the Devils and Flames. Teams that used a building model that has proven unsuccessful with limited assets (either money, prospects, draft picks, or a combination).
However, I would think NJ has the best chance of improving based on having one of the best GM's of all time.
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Mario 66
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 10:05:36
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Beans although both the leafs & Jersery have limited of talent in their farm systems Jersey surely has alot more tradable assets then the leafs. Elias, Arnott & Langebrunner could all be moved at the trade deadline to a team looking for that talented veteran presence that they believe will get them over the edge.
The leafs only have defenseman who other teams may want to take and they all are very overpriced with the exception of Kaberle.
Not to mention Parise & Kovalchuk have more talent then the 12 leafs forwards combined so Jersey is already in a better place with two players. Not to mention Brodeur can be moved as well to a contender to give him his last huraw before he fades off into the sunset.
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Alex116
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 11:04:43
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The thing i'd worry about if i were NJ would be putting butts in the seats. A rebuild is one thing, but to have to rebuild in a city that has become very accustomed to being at the top of the heap and having the best goalie in the league will be difficult. Even at times when they very ultra competetive, they struggled to sell out games. What happens when the product on the ice becomes really weak for 3 or more years during a rebuild??? I'd be worried, and frankly, as a hockey fan, i am.  |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 15:18:52
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| 2500 in house fans watched NJ play Toronto last week @ NJ.....although the weather was a factor, apparently road conditions were really bad. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 15:38:46
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New Jersey has been a perennial money loser and has almost always had low attendance. However, because they are often high in the standings, Joe Common Fan makes the assumption that the Devils are doing fine. They did build a stadium recently which has held the franchise value higher than is would have been if the team played out of a city owned facility, however, the Devils have been a poor off-ice performing team for the past 10 years.
Just another pieces of proof that 3 teams in a market does not work. Both the Islanders and the Devils are in the bottom 1/3 of the league in profits and attendance every year. But quick, put another team near Toronto.
Actually, let me flip flop on this issue. Bring another team into the GTA. Quick! Maybe then the Leafs will have to ice a decent team or risk losing fan dollars (even if in the short term) to a new team in Hamilton where ever. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/01/2011 : 17:35:49
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Pasty7
uhh the only way the leafs can make an offer sheet to anyone requiring a first round pick is to re aquire their first round pick from Boston, and well if they could do that i think they would want to keep that pick.... In order to make an offer sheet the team has to have their picks to offer,,,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Uhh, yes TO can make an offer sheet. Any team can make an offer sheet. The compensation structure does not state the 'next' series of draft picks. Just because TO doesn't have one next year does not mean that they don't have more coming. Once they are established in a trade or compensation they can not be re-traded. However, using this Parise example, NJ would get TO's 1st round picks in '12, '13', '14, and '15 if Parise signed a max offer sheet.
No team is exempt from the ability to use the offer sheet system because they traded picks. At least this is the way I understand the RFA system.
Again my sources are not perfect but Last year Pierre Mcguire was talking about how the Habs should make an offer sheet on Travis Zajac saying the Devils would not be able to match and would take a 1rst 2nd and 3rd round pick if i remember correctly he was talking about how the habs would have to reaquire their third round pick because a team has to have their picks to offer in order to make an offer sheet,, but you are right about the leafs having the 2012 pick i didn;t click we are already 2011....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 10:09:20
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Pasty, I think we both get partial marks. Here is the details found regarding RFA compensation. Depending on the situation, the club may need all the picks in one year where in other situations is could be carried over for 3 or more drafts.
From Article 10.4,
-- Clubs owing one (1) draft selection must have it available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
-- Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.
-- Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in the same round must have them available in the next four (4) drafts, and so on.
When a Club owes two (2) or more draft selections in the same round, the signing Club does not elect the years in which such selections shall be awarded to the Prior Club; rather, the selections next available will be transferred to the Prior Club (i.e., a Club that owes two (2) selections has them available in the next two (2) drafts – that is when they are transferred).
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 15:40:16
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clubs owing 2 draft selections in the same round.....must have them available in the next 3 drafts...
Beans are you saying...( or the rule i should say )...that the Toronto Maple leafs don`t have to give Boston thier 1st round pick this year ??
If this rule is straight - up, can`t the leafs wait until the next draft ( not the up-coming one ) to give Boston their other 1st round pick ?? The leafs are a club who owe 2 picks in the same round.
If this rule is ( what is sez ) then the leafs can use this years 1st round pick to draft their own player and give Boston their 1st round pick the following draft. Hopefully the leafs will have a much better season next year thus giving Boston a later 1st round pick......and in the same process picking high them-selves this year. |
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polishexpress
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 15:54:50
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Don't know what you are on Duke, but Kessel was acquired in a trade, not an offer sheet. Boston has TOR pick this year through trade.
You can't apply RFA rules to trades! |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/03/2011 : 09:00:41
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I think Kessel was a RFA but an offer sheet was not involved...OK, was missing that part of the conversation, didn`t read it all  |
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 06:08:43
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Well, Kessel is going to the All-Star game, the Leafs are on a bit of a roll winning 5 of their last 6 games . . . and Wilson just won his 600th game as a coach.
Leafs are now in 12th place as of last night's road victory, 11 points out of a playoff spot. Yeah, the optimism can stop right there. 
Still . . . I have growing optimism about Grabovski, who has startd to really play up to his full potential, and may now be very juicy trade bait. Kulemin is really playing well, and is a player I would love the Leafs to hold on to. MacArthur has not fallen off as many expected he would (not totally), and he looks like a keeper for now. This Reimer kid in goal has been a saviour for us in the short term at least, and who knows going forward?
It's not all bad.
Right now, Boston chooses 5th overall . . . if the Leafs can actually push it into a 7th or 8th or 9th overall pick, I'll be happy.
I think there will be at least two trades coming for the Leafs in the near future, and from what I heard, a very strong offer just came in for Versteeg recently. So we'll see if Burke can regain some of his tarnished reputation back in the next few weeks.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:11:49
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Slozo, I gotta tell you, it's taken everything I got to not makes a sarcastic post about a parade in Toronto. Seems like the Leafs can't lose these days!! If this was October rather than January there would be a different attitute in TO.
I am interested to see these trades coming. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:15:19
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Slozo the leafs are 11 points out of a playoff spot but don`t forget they still have 3 games in hand on that 8th place team ( Atlanta ).
Its not easy i know but if they were to win those games, this would put them only 5 points out, with 30 plus games to play.
Wishing thinking i know, do they need a miracle ( maybe )....but anything is possible. Those 3 games in hand are HUGE....if they can get within 5 points....its still a long, long finish. |
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:28:11
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That's the Toronto way. As soon as we start coming together as a team, get rid of them. Hell lets trade the whole team away before the trade deadline. Obviously there are players we couldn't trade for pucks, so don't take this post too seriously. Its kind of a catch 22, play well, get traded! 3 years ago I thought Grabovski was a waste of space. But he has come a long way. Amazing hands, good shooter, and he's finally throwing the body around. This looks to me like a guy we want to hang on to. (especially with the history of T.O.'s drafting and development) Kulemin is Awesome!. He has that "man-strength" that wins battles in the corner. (the only one on the team?) and MacArthur fits in so well with those two. (this yr. has highest point total of career, half way through the season). If Leafs Management break up this line, I'll cut off my berries and cheer for Hong-couver! (not litterally of course...I will never cheer for the Canucks)
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:59:25
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Look, I gotta set the record straight here. I think its hilarious that any "non-Leaf-fan" seems to think that all "Leaf-fans" are the same. I personally think everyone is a little bias towards their own favorite team. However to think that, EVERYONE that cheers for the Leafs strongly believes they are going to "win the Cup" or even make the play-offs every year, is just pure stupid. I have grown up cheering for the Leafs, but I don't think they will make the play-offs this yr. You need to open your eyes and realize that media (especially Toronto media) will make up stories if there is nothing to report on. Some people are "Hockey-fans" and can see clearly and can differentiate between a well played game and a lucky one, a good play and a bad play, a good call and a bad call. To lump groups together just because they seem the same to you is stereotyping. This can be offensive to some. So next time we feel like saying something about "PARADE" or "BANDWAGON" , maybe we accept that a fan enjoys a winning streak without presuming that this same fan strongly believes the team will finish 82-0-0 or move from the bottom to the top. Lets try to be nicer to each other and don't stereotype.
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TheRC
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 10:37:57
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Yeah, don't start planning the par... Ahh forget it, it's been said.
The play of the last few weeks is slightly better than what I expected out of the Leafs this year. Mix a couple months of this in with those couple months where they played like absolute garbage and they will end up just about where I expected: Outside of a playoff spot, but only just, rather than embarassingly (ie. New Jersey Devils) low in the standings.
All this trade talk needs to simmer down. The team is finally showing some chemistry, and younger players are starting to make their mark. Try and sign a free-agent centre in the off-season, hope the highly paid defense corps starts playing to its potential and things can only go up next year. And hey, if they don't, at least the team will have a pick this time!
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 10:48:02
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| Well said RC |
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:13:05
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, I gotta tell you, it's taken everything I got to not makes a sarcastic post about a parade in Toronto. Seems like the Leafs can't lose these days!! If this was October rather than January there would be a different attitute in TO.
I am interested to see these trades coming.
What the hell are you talking about Beans? Did you even read my post? I wasn't very optimistic really, so I don't see how that translates into you feeling you have to heap more crap on the Leafs team.
You know, if you can't stand the Leaf talk - and if you're not a fan, I get it, they are over-exposed for sure - then don't join the conversation. But if you want to join the conversation, at least bring something to it besides a wanton need to kick a franchise when they're down.
You don't see that from me towards the Oilers, and I expect a bit better from you, Beans.
RC - I disagree a bit with the "we're going good right now, let's keep all the young guys playing well". I say that a smart GM trades when a player YOU DON'T SEE IN OUR CHAMPIONSHIP FUTURE is at his highest value. Grabovski is such a player for me . . . I think the Leafs could really get something nice for a Grabovski at this point. And it's why I continue to say don't trade Kulemin . . . he'll never be that 80 point player perhaps, but he is exactly the kind of second line piece that would be perfect on a contender in the future.
Buy low, sell high . . . exactly what the Leafs management has largely failed to do almost every time with a bit of talent.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 19:18:41
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, I gotta tell you, it's taken everything I got to not makes a sarcastic post about a parade in Toronto. Seems like the Leafs can't lose these days!! If this was October rather than January there would be a different attitute in TO.
I am interested to see these trades coming.
What the hell are you talking about Beans? Did you even read my post? I wasn't very optimistic really, so I don't see how that translates into you feeling you have to heap more crap on the Leafs team.
You know, if you can't stand the Leaf talk - and if you're not a fan, I get it, they are over-exposed for sure - then don't join the conversation. But if you want to join the conversation, at least bring something to it besides a wanton need to kick a franchise when they're down.
You don't see that from me towards the Oilers, and I expect a bit better from you, Beans.
RC - I disagree a bit with the "we're going good right now, let's keep all the young guys playing well". I say that a smart GM trades when a player YOU DON'T SEE IN OUR CHAMPIONSHIP FUTURE is at his highest value. Grabovski is such a player for me . . . I think the Leafs could really get something nice for a Grabovski at this point. And it's why I continue to say don't trade Kulemin . . . he'll never be that 80 point player perhaps, but he is exactly the kind of second line piece that would be perfect on a contender in the future.
Buy low, sell high . . . exactly what the Leafs management has largely failed to do almost every time with a bit of talent.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I agree Slozo, maybe i'm a jaded habs fan but i cannot see Grabovski being a key part in any championship ever... he has skill and he is playing now but i could easily see him but a dud next season,,,, so trade him high now like you said... Mcarthur i would resign ,,, i think he is playing a touch over his head now but he is a hard working player who even if he falls off the top 2 lines he helps his team on the third... keep him...
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 20:45:49
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Slozo, I can't believe how badly you missed the point of my post.
I was refering to the early part of the season when various Leaf fans were discussing the 4-0-0 start and the prospects of a successful season. I made the comment at that point about planning a parade to which you went nutty about.
It was a playful jab at you, not anything about the Leafs. They don't need my help to show everyone how crappy of a team they are and how little of a future they have.
And please, I would love to hear how the Oilers are on the wrong path to success, have zero talent, and are going to do nothing in the future.
I would love to hear that!!! |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 21:12:30
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I agree Slozo, maybe i'm a jaded habs fan but i cannot see Grabovski being a key part in any championship ever... he has skill and he is playing now but i could easily see him but a dud next season,,,, so trade him high now like you said
I remember saying the same thing about the Sedins in 2006, just before they signed 3yr/10M contracts... I just couldn't see the Canucks having any success with them in the lineup  |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 04:28:58
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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I agree Slozo, maybe i'm a jaded habs fan but i cannot see Grabovski being a key part in any championship ever... he has skill and he is playing now but i could easily see him but a dud next season,,,, so trade him high now like you said
I remember saying the same thing about the Sedins in 2006, just before they signed 3yr/10M contracts... I just couldn't see the Canucks having any success with them in the lineup
I would be willing to bet on Grabovski's 30 birthday he will not be winning the Art Ross and Hart Trophies and rather will be playing in the KHL
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 04:39:10
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, I can't believe how badly you missed the point of my post.
I was refering to the early part of the season when various Leaf fans were discussing the 4-0-0 start and the prospects of a successful season. I made the comment at that point about planning a parade to which you went nutty about.
It was a playful jab at you, not anything about the Leafs. They don't need my help to show everyone how crappy of a team they are and how little of a future they have.
And please, I would love to hear how the Oilers are on the wrong path to success, have zero talent, and are going to do nothing in the future.
I would love to hear that!!!
Well Beans, to answer your question about me making remarks about your Oilers, first you'd have to:
1) Start a thread on how the Oilers are progressing
2) Have people on this site care enough about the Oil to comment on the thread so that it goes past 3 pages
3) become mayor of the city of Edmonton and build it up into a real world class city, you know - so that it engenders a certain level of hate from the people who envy this kind of thing
THEN I will pile in for sure with some stupid jabs, make bad Gretzky jokes, and make childish insults while claiming that I am "just poking fun".
Until then Beans, I just don't care enough about the Oil - even with them being one of the Canadian teams I would cheer for - to make ridiculous comments.
It is funny though how you claim your comment wasn't about the Leafs, yet mentions them by name, and you state you really want to make a plan the parade route comment. How that can be a playful jab at me makes me scratch my head, when examining the fact that not once in this thread did I display an overly-zealous nature on the playoff aspirations of this team, yet any microscopically positive comment is seen as some grand overstatement about how great the Leafs are.
Glad you have an interest in the trades potentially forthcoming from the Leafs though . . . as I have zero interest in any trades happening out of Edmonton (unless they involve the Leafs, of course).
Oh - just joking, of course.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 04:43:58
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by Beans15
Slozo, I can't believe how badly you missed the point of my post.
I was refering to the early part of the season when various Leaf fans were discussing the 4-0-0 start and the prospects of a successful season. I made the comment at that point about planning a parade to which you went nutty about.
It was a playful jab at you, not anything about the Leafs. They don't need my help to show everyone how crappy of a team they are and how little of a future they have.
And please, I would love to hear how the Oilers are on the wrong path to success, have zero talent, and are going to do nothing in the future.
I would love to hear that!!!
Well Beans, to answer your question about me making remarks about your Oilers, first you'd have to:
1) Start a thread on how the Oilers are progressing
2) Have people on this site care enough about the Oil to comment on the thread so that it goes past 3 pages
3) become mayor of the city of Edmonton and build it up into a real world class city, you know - so that it engenders a certain level of hate from the people who envy this kind of thing
THEN I will pile in for sure with some stupid jabs, make bad Gretzky jokes, and make childish insults while claiming that I am "just poking fun".
Until then Beans, I just don't care enough about the Oil - even with them being one of the Canadian teams I would cheer for - to make ridiculous comments.
It is funny though how you claim your comment wasn't about the Leafs, yet mentions them by name, and you state you really want to make a plan the parade route comment. How that can be a playful jab at me makes me scratch my head, when examining the fact that not once in this thread did I display an overly-zealous nature on the playoff aspirations of this team, yet any microscopically positive comment is seen as some grand overstatement about how great the Leafs are.
Glad you have an interest in the trades potentially forthcoming from the Leafs though . . . as I have zero interest in any trades happening out of Edmonton (unless they involve the Leafs, of course).
Oh - just joking, of course.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Woah woah woah slozo if anything you should envy us Montrealers.... I can get BEER at the corner store and pay 21$ for 24 beers,, or go to Costco and get a 55 pack for 49$ ,, who envy's who now 
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 05:07:57
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Well Pasty, I am past the age of needing cheap, watered down beer at discount prices. And I don't want to speak french, franglais, or quebecois - I have kids, and they don't need to hear that many swear words. No envy from me there.
No, I will remain a Leaf fan, bearing the enourmous burden and responsibility of being at the centre of the hockey universe.
To prove my point, note where this site's creators are from and where the original "homebase" was (Vancouver) - and now check through the team threads, and tell me which team has the most comments, the most threads.
Now check up on a guy like Beans (big Oilers fan) or even yourself (big Habs fan) and count how many comments you both have for your respective teams, and how many you have for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
You both have way more comments in Toronto threads, than in the threads for the teams which you supposedly love and support. Go ahead, look it up!
I think you are all closet Toronto fans, envious of the power of LEAFS NATION that ravages the Canadian landscape!
Just kidding, of course
Or, maybe not . . .
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 07:56:47
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To prove my point, note where this site's creators are from and where the original "homebase" was (Vancouver) - and now check through the team threads, and tell me which team has the most comments, the most threads.
Just because TOR fans feel the need to start a new thread every time their team wins a couple of games or scores 8 goals in a game or their captain says something motivational doesn't make them better fans...if I started a thread every time VAN won a couple of games there would be no room on the page for anything else
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LEAFS. Whats the plan in toronto.. 
