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TheRC
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 Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:26:14
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Woah woah woah slozo if anything you should envy us Montrealers.... I can get BEER at the corner store and pay 21$ for 24 beers,, or go to Costco and get a 55 pack for 49$ ,,  who envy's who now 
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
You do know beer is even cheaper in Buffalo, right? Envy isn't exactly the word I'd use to describe that city...
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:42:19
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To prove my point, note where this site's creators are from and where the original "homebase" was (Vancouver) - and now check through the team threads, and tell me which team has the most comments, the most threads.
Just because TOR fans feel the need to start a new thread every time their team wins a couple of games or scores 8 goals in a game or their captain says something motivational doesn't make them better fans...if I started a thread every time VAN won a couple of games there would be no room on the page for anything else 
True, nuxfan - to some degree. However, no thread like that for the Canucks would go past even 2 pages, largely fuelled by non fans.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:42:54
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Oh, this is getting good!!!
Firstly, Pasty, i thought you lived in Montreal??? With beer prices like those, i'm guessing you're actually in the US, or perhaps even Mexico? I don't even wanna tell you what we pay out here!!
nuxfan, i too wondering 5 years ago if the Sedin's would ever amount to anything more than good 2nd liners and/or lower than avg first liners! Wow, were we wrong!
Slozo.... most importantly, i don't care who makes how much money, inexpensive beer is always good in this guy's mind. As far as us non Leafs fans posting in "Leaf topics", get real. This is a hockey forum. I'll make you a deal. I'll count how many times i've posted in a leaf thread, but you go back and count how many of them are either bad mouthing the Leafs and/or Toronto OR contradicting something ridiculous a Leafs fan has said. I'll do the same for Beans, Pasty, etc too if you'd like.
Let's face it, Toronto is the most populated city in Canada. Therefore, regardless of where this site was founded, they prob have more hockey fans. I'd conclude from that that the chances are, they'd prob have more hockey fans on the internet on such sits as this! Am i making sense? As far as this site being founded in Vancouver, what exactly does that have to do with ANYTHING anyway? Do you know how i found this site? It certainly wasn't advertised on a billboard (at least not that i saw) around town here. I googled hockey pool websites. Yeah, believe it or not, the same "google search" that millions and millions of people around the world would prob use?
I'll give the TO fans some credit. There are a lot posting on here while their team isn't doing so well. Sure, some are dellusional about their short term future, but regardless, they're still here posting while their team struggles! I'm not saying that the Oiler fans are not because their team is still rebuilding and not performing well right now, i'm just pointing out the fact that the sheer numbers in terms of population have a bearing on number of posters! It's not that hard to figure out.
I think Beans summed it up best with something he said in either this or another thread.....something along the lines of Toronto having the highest population, therefore the most fans, means you're more than likely to have more wacky (goofy?) fans than most. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:50:05
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Well Slozo, if you fail to see my point after being spelled out for you, I guess there is little else to say to that point. If you have forgotten how incensed you were at the last 'plan the parade' comment I made then so be it. I know you have not been one of those Leaf fans who gets so excited about a win or two, however you are one of those Leaf fans who take exception to those kinds of comments.
That is the point you seem to have completely missed.
As far as the rest of it, honestly, I have zero interest in getting involved in a mudslinging contest about what city is better and blah, blah, blah. I appreciate that you have taken the, I don't care attitude. I can understand because if I had to cheer for the Leafs I would have that attitude as well. But I cheer for the Oilers. So I have something that the Leafs don't have today and won't have in the foreseeable future. It's a little thing called Hope. That helps with not getting that indifferent attitude. It's far easier to care when there is hope for something to care about. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:57:29
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LOL...gotta love these heated debates. Toronto and Montreal go back a lottttttaaaaaa years in the NHL. See the problem is that some older fans in Alberta, B.C, and the city of Ottawa ( deep down inside ) are still either Leaf or Hab fans.......since they were the only Canadian teams to cheer for at one point.
There have been decades for love and hate relationships to develop over the Leafs and Habs.
Every time, either here or just around town, at work, whatever, when-ever Toronto or Montreal comments come up....look out, get ready to rumble, put on the boxing gloves.....gotta love it.....fans of these two cities are very passionate...
Do you see this kind of behavior with debates over Edm., Cal., Van., Ott., in other parts of Canada....I`ve never seen it....I am a construction foreman and have worked all across Canada and have met many people, I`ve never witnessed more heated arguements ( sports wise ) than that of Leafs vs Habs.
If your not a leaf fan..........You probally HATE them...jealously is surely a big part of this because the media focus is almost entirely on them.
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:12:01
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You know Beans, repeating that I keep missing points doesn't mean I miss a single iota of any point you are making, lol.
No more muslinging though, I agree.
As for hope? I have lots of hope, sure . . . but hope won't get you in the playoffs and win a few rounds or get you to the final, which is where we both want to be with our respective teams.
I will say this though: I have confidence in Burke, so far. He is as stubborn and pigheaded as you can get, very knowledgable, and will do his utmost to bring glory once again to the hallowed Leafs franchise. He ain't perfect, far from it . . . but I have every confidence that he will do his utmost to bring this team a championship - and it's been a long time since I could say that about any Leafs GM. 
I do reserve the right to revoke that confidence a collossally bad deal is made, however!
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:58:26
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True, nuxfan - to some degree. However, no thread like that for the Canucks would go past even 2 pages, largely fuelled by non fans.
Probably because there is not much to debate - I'd post something like "the Canucks rule, they're winning a lot of games", and there is little argument there. I guess when your team is that fantastic, there is little to post about, other than how fantastic they are. What can you do.
Leafs threads though, seem to always start with "hey, they won a few games, we're gonna make the playoffs, we're awesome". And that is highly debatable. Hence long threads... |
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 10:41:30
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This is rediculous.......
I have not seen many posts from Leaf fans coming on here and saying we have won a few games.....here come the playoffs and comments as such.
What I have seen is comments from the non leafers - haters, twisting everything to make things sound as though it is Leafs Nation starting the speculaction..... such as Oil fans, Nucks fans and others.
Its bad enough that the Toronto media twists expectations and results, the media obviously influences you haters as well as you buy into it.
Let Leaf fans be able to comment on their team without twisting their messages
Hopefully the Nucks do well, but remember its regular season and they have not proven to be sucessful when it counts......yet |
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 11:02:50
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First off... Kaberle is a junk defenceman, sure the guy can move the puck every now and than but he coughs up the puck 85% of the time. The guy is slower than a turtle in the defensive end and is pushed over by some of the leagues weakest players. Kaberle = Traded in my mind ( think of the centre man you could get for this junk player who is overrated in the NHL. As for Gustavsson, you can send that swedish meatball back where he came from. The guy should stop waxing his pads before each game as when he goes down to make a save he slides out of position 10 out of 10 times.
NEXT - As you said... Grabovski has improved 100% in my mind. I hated him in prior years because the tool couldn't hit the net to save his life.. This year BIG IMPROVEMENT! and it's providing more leadership on the team and giving Kessel some competition to be the number one player on the team which recently has benefited the buds on the ice.
NEXT - Wilson + Burke = Combo.. like stated in the press Burke will get rid of the entire team before he looks at Wilson as the cause for poor performance. Wilson has great morals and once the team has jelled together they will perform how he wants them to perform. (Wilson's history proves that he can lead a high performance team)
LASTLY- Toronto Media can fly a kite... I agree with you. The team is not supported well enough by the media and criticized for days when a game is lost... In my opinion fack off media!!
Leafs for the cup this year baby!
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 11:06:25
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ummmmmmmmm Burke DID get rid of the team already........
Only Kabby, Grabo & Gustavson left from season before.
Kabby won't be traded due to his NTC, and in your own words is a "junk" Dman? Do you think the rest of the league think he's a top Dman? What 1st line center are you going to get for your "junk" Dman? BB's window has come and went 3 yrs straight to get something for Kabby, and every one of those yrs, his value has decreased.
As for the media, i have yet to see another team in Canada promoted as much as the Leafs are. Saturday night 1st billing, their own channel on tv, commercials, all day long on 640am is promotions for the Leafs. Ya, they get criticized, but c'mon, it's not deserved? They're last in the division and have stunk up the ACC more than making it smell like roses.
The only way to change it is to put a good team on the ice. Boston used to draw 12-13k per game when they were bottom feeders and were the joke of Boston, ask Chicago how many fans were at games prior to Toews and Cane getting there.
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:04:36
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Wow many different & heated debates going on in here. As someone who has lived in Toronto for 14yrs i have come across many many ignorant loving leaf fans who know little about the game of hockey outside of the leafs as many non leaf fans on here have argued. With that said i have many friends & co workers like many on here who have extensive hockey knowledge who would kill to see the leafs win the cup and gladly bash the organization for their proven failures in drafts and trades over the yrs that have given leaf fans short term hope but long term futility.
I do agree that a lot (Slozo & other die hards may not be included) of leaf fans are a bit more obnoxious then other fans and that can be seen through the media, regular sell outs regardless of the talent being offered on the ice and the overall devotion to a team that has done little (I said little not nothing) for its fans in the past 30yrs. Then again there is the arguement that when you have the diversity and overall population you do in the GTA you are bound to get people who dont care about the product offered but simply the overpriced experience to say they have done it.
Leaf bashing aside i ask primarily leaf fans this but others can surely make their comments. If three yrs ago Grabovski was seen as a bum and now he is arguably one of your better players and has made decent strides the last couple of yrs would it not be better to keep him for maybe an additional two yrs nothing that may overextend his welcome and see what he Mccarthur & Kulemin could develop? Also, if Jamie Langebrunner a proven nhl talent only garners a 3rd round pick why trade grabovski who in all fairness should at the point allow you to acquire a 4th - 6th round pick that more often then not usually ends up as a minor league lifer or plays in europe. Burke may not be your previous gm's and its easy to retrospect now the fact that if kessel was not acquired you would have acquired two solid centres in back to back drafts (Seguin & Coutourier or Nugent-Hopkins) but would it not be better to leave a good portion of your young talent together, play kadri & Damiggio together in the minors and see if they can develop a commroderie? and then as this team further develops in the coming yrs then maybe trade a guy like grabovski or kulemin for young up & coming talent. Nobody more so then leaf fans should know better atleast over the last 5 - 10yrs that trading players or picks to early will bite you in a** .
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:05:40
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This is rediculous.......
I have not seen many posts from Leaf fans coming on here and saying we have won a few games.....here come the playoffs and comments as such.
What I have seen is comments from the non leafers - haters, twisting everything to make things sound as though it is Leafs Nation starting the speculaction..... such as Oil fans, Nucks fans and others.
Its bad enough that the Toronto media twists expectations and results, the media obviously influences you haters as well as you buy into it.
Let Leaf fans be able to comment on their team without twisting their messages
Hopefully the Nucks do well, but remember its regular season and they have not proven to be sucessful when it counts......yet
Puh-lease!! You have to be kidding me!!!
Seriously, do we need to look back at the Leafs thread that talked about predictions at the start of the season and figure out the endless number of Leafs fans who were talking about the playoffs?? How about the comments after the initial 4-0-0 start??? Now, another 4 game winning streak and threads are immediately started asking if the Leafs are better than perceived and discussing the 'career' seasons of some of the players????
Yep, those were all startered by the 'haters.' Those pesky fans of any team other than TO!
I liken this to the kid at school who would celebrate like the 4th of July after scoring a goal during soccer at recess and then complained when the other team celebrated after scoring a goal.
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Guest6795
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:57:03
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Grabovski ain't going nowhere! He will stay in Toronto Jamie Lagenbrunner can go somewhere else, we don't need his disgrace, Also, your a boston fan eh! pfft ... they are similar to Ottawa when it comes to playoff hockey. All the season hype is going to go down the s***ter come first round when they are eliminated in 5 games. Thomas is gonna break another stick over the crossbar..p*****.....
Leafs are 5-1 in January and will continue the streak tonight in the desert.... GO LEAFS GO... for all those leaf haters (eat s***!)
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:59:31
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Wow, glad things have not changed much here.
Beans still knocking on anything positive the leafs do or a leaf fan posts on here. The old "plan the parade route" comment poppin up here and there. Never wrong and nobody ever seems to be able to get your point so you keep telling them that they are missing the point. Are they? Or is it U who misses their point? Perhaps you refuse to accept others opinion. Kinda looks like the later.
Slozo, u r getting ganged up on and I don't blame you for some rhetoric that some fans of less popular Canadian teams refuse to accept. Don't give up fella.
The leafs are on a roll right now, its fun to watch and the true fans know its only a little momentum carrying them and they have played a couple of teams that are struggling. But thats the breaks. Of course because its the Leafs some people cannot take the positive out of it.
No one said this was a two year plan and I am sure that Burke and company know that. But it seems there are thousands of more experts out there that know better then the man who has been deemed one of the best GMs in the bizz.
Go ahead Beans, give your stats and opinions on what Burke did in Van and Anaheim but the hockey experts, who are surprisely working in the hockey world, disagree with u.
Have a fun fight with this battle Slozo. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 13:12:22
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Guest 6795 since i made the comment about Langebrunner and Toxik said nothing about grabovski i am guessing you are referring to myself as a bruins fan? If so you need to check my display pick to find out otherwise and as you just seem to be waking up from hibernation Langebrunner was traded to Dallas last week so know one was saying trade him for Grabovski but thank you for proving my point that even though Slozo & others are intelligent leaf fans, leaf nations always manages to pull a genius from under a rock who sets leaf fans back 10yrs and walk away with their bottom lip pulled over their head so they can enhale the bizarre s*** coming out of their mouth. Keep up the optimism for the leafs but minimize the bizzarre comments
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 13:34:51
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| Hey guest at least Boston WILL be in the playoffs to fail as you say.. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 14:55:20
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Oh, this is getting good!!!
Firstly, Pasty, i thought you lived in Montreal??? With beer prices like those, i'm guessing you're actually in the US, or perhaps even Mexico? I don't even wanna tell you what we pay out here!!
Well i actually live soth of montreal in the rural town of t jacques de mineur basicly a stones throw from the u.s boarder about 15 min from the bridge to MTL,,
And Slozo, RC i hope you know i was trying to lighten the mood with my Envy comments it's hard to tell sometimes over the net without facial expressions and tone of voice but i sense a bit of tension in both your resposes' my comments were meant in good fun
Slozo you are 100% right i discuss the leafs more than any other team, And i think if you ask yourself objectivly and look back at older post you can hardly qualify me as a hater? And i'm a Habs fan does that not count for something/??? and the reason I discuss the Leafs more than my Beloved habs is because Habs threads never go past the second page on this site i cannot hold a convo bymyself can i. and I'm not one to make ridiculous claims to get a rise and a thread going. And trust me i have created threads about the habs!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 16:50:58
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Yeesh, I sure hope this isn't the big trade you were expecting Slozo. 
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=349269
Brunnstrom was highly sought after a few offseason ago and at the time the Leafs were one of the last few teams in the running before he decided to go to Dallas. I guess what Burke wants is what he gets, even if it is a few years later.
40 points in 100 NHL games. Seems to fit into the current Leafs MO. Another player thrown away by a team. I wonder if this guy will turn out to be a diamond in the rough like Clarke MacArthur or another guy who is exactly what everyone thinks he is like a Colby Armstrong.
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 16:55:04
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The moral support is much appreciated, 'Chop.
Good comments Pasty . . . and no, I don't think you are a hater. But you do recognise, I hope, that a large majority of non-Leaf fan comments are negative - in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find positive ones anywhere. Yeah, with the stinky last couple of seasons, I get it that there will be more negativity, sure . . . but there is no other team that gets more of this kind of negativity.
And I will argue at length on the fact that it has even one iota to do with its fans. If anything, in my fair estimation (and don't get riled up by this, Pasty - in no way directed to you) I'd rate the #1 biggest braggarts as the Canadiens, with the Canucks coming in second. And let's face it, that is in no way a terrible indictment, as they have had a decent amount to brag about the last few years, minus a cup. And if there is a team that reaches backward through the years for glory more than any other team, it is far and away the Oilers. A fine dynasty it was, to be sure . . . built on the shady keeping of Gretzky during the 78/79 reclamation draft and built on lucky drafting afterward . . .
No, if anything, the Leafs fans are pretty humble by comparison to these teams, if not with a healthy chip on our shoulders due to the constant mudlinging.
To end my soliliquy here . . . I get sick and tired of discussing (and inevitably having to constantly defend myself after the tiniest of positive comments) the Leafs myself.
I'll see you all next time, on the third page of a thread on what the plan is in Oiler land when they have to re-sign all their young talent in three years!
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:25:01
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Oh no, the moon must be full. There is a post I can agree with nearly 100%. The Leafs do take more crap than any other team in the league and not 100% of it is deserved. But, for a guy like me, it's great fun to stir the pot. I also agree that speaking generally, the Habs and Canucks fans are the biggest braggarts. Today it is warranted, however even in times of struggle there is still that persona from those groups.
And you are correct in the Oilers challenges in 3 years. It will be tough to keep at those young kids together, especially if they are all(or many of them) meet the potential. However, it's not a bad problem to have. I would far rather see the team I cheer for have too many player they want to keep than have too many player that have to leave.
And a shady deal to keep Gretzky?? Please enlighten me. And lucky drafting??? I think to draft that many HOF players is a little more than luck. Who's calling Detroit lucky today?? Drafting quality players is a gift that obviously the Oilers had through the 80's. Through the 90's there was absolutely horrible drafting and even worse overall team management. Hence the horrible performance for 15+ years.
Now, I want to throw a little something at the Leaf Nation. Let's have some objective fun if we can. Let's take ever single Leaf player today. Current roster, farm team, draft picks, future draft positions, everything. Let's take all those players and put Oiler logos on their jerseys and vise versa. Take every Oiler player and put them in a Leafs jersey.
What's your perspective on that??? How horrible are the new Leafs and how great are the new Oilers??? |
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 17:56:41
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Grabovski ain't going nowhere! He will stay in Toronto Jamie Lagenbrunner can go somewhere else, we don't need his disgrace, Also, your a boston fan eh! pfft ... they are similar to Ottawa when it comes to playoff hockey. All the season hype is going to go down the s***ter come first round when they are eliminated in 5 games. Thomas is gonna break another stick over the crossbar..p*****.....
Leafs are 5-1 in January and will continue the streak tonight in the desert.... GO LEAFS GO... for all those leaf haters (eat s***!)
ROCK THE ACC baby! Suck it.....
Slozo, this is the kind of fan that makes your team look bad. Trust me, i know. It's like the morons around here (Vancouver) that "plan parade routes, talk crap, etc when we were only "on our way up" to being a solid team. Heck, i know Canucks fans who started cup talk a number of years back when we qualified for the playoffs (on the final day of the season i might add) after a 4 year absence! These clowns really don't get it!
As far as the "braggarts" go, it's usually these same bandwagonners! Monrteal fans, in their defense, have won cups since the 70's. Toronto, and Vancouver for that matter, haven't. When it comes to arguments, TO fans always say to us Vancouver fans, "well, at least we've won one before". And we all know the reply, "yeah, but it was before we had a team....blah, blah, blah". Oilers fans can brag too, as i'm sure Hurricane fans would, if there's such a thing? Really, who cares though? When thowing 40 year old facts into a debate, it wreaks of desperation. For the most part, i find the debating on here to be pretty good. Sure, some Leaf fans may be over excited or over optimistic about this mini streak they're on and it's easy for "haters" to laugh and say it won't last, but do any of us really know for sure??? It's just predictions on our part. Kinda like me predicting St Louis to make the playoffs  ....
BTW, i like the Brunnstrom pickup. Don't know anything about the other guy but at least Brunnstrom has actually played in the NHL! Kid's still only 25 or so and maybe a 2nd chance is what he needed? Certainly can't hurt. |
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TheRC
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 19:03:00
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Sorry Pasty, that comment was meant to be a bit of fun. The written word really does fail at sarcasm sometimes. I guess that's why they invented
Anyway, this Brunnstrom deal seems like a bit of non-event, as far as I can see it. One guy who probably wont make the cut for another guy who probably won't make the cut. In a few weeks when the Leafs playoff hopes have probably faded from "unlikely" to "almost impossible" there is no harm in giving the guy a chance. If he succeeds in the new setting, great, if not, oh well.
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 05:59:07
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Alex - you call this guest a "stupid fan", but all he did was mudsling back at the other teams, and predict a win last night against Phoenix that obviously never happened.
For a one game incorrect prediction he's an idiot?
See, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say that Leaf fans are attacked mercilessly for very little reason. If you switch Leafs for Oilers in that same comment, it's just a fan . . . but because it's the Leafs, he's an idiot that makes reasonable fans looks bad and plans parade routes.
Bullcrap! Read the post again by the guest, and tell me exactly where he calls the Leafs a playoff team, a great team, etc.
That comment by that guest I have no issue with, none at all. It's a regular sort of comment made by a regular fan of almost any team in the NHL.
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 06:57:50
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Slozo, you kill me buddy. "closet Leaf fans" haha
Also in Toronto:
1) the "war room" where they look at the goal in controversy
2) a little old thing called "THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME"
what what!
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Mario 66
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 08:48:23
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Grabovski ain't going nowhere! He will stay in Toronto Jamie Lagenbrunner can go somewhere else, we don't need his disgrace, Also, your a boston fan eh! pfft ... they are similar to Ottawa when it comes to playoff hockey. All the season hype is going to go down the s***ter come first round when they are eliminated in 5 games. Thomas is gonna break another stick over the crossbar..p*****.....
Leafs are 5-1 in January and will continue the streak tonight in the desert.... GO LEAFS GO... for all those leaf haters (eat s***!)[
The prediction Slozo is not what makes the guest look ignorant nor like a moronic leaf fan as anyone and everyone is going to make bold claims for their team its part of being a fan. The good, the bad & the ugly our teams are always the best in our hearts. It is the statement about Grabovski ain't going nowhere! followed by Jamie Langebrunner can go anywhere we dont need his disgrace. Besides the atrocious literacy skills which is irrelevant the rest of the hockey world including yourself know's langebrunner was traded last week so there is know chance in hell anyone was mentioning about langebrunner getting traded to the leafs thus showing that the guest was just coming out of hibernation and a moronic statement such as langebrunner is a disgrace is what gives everyone else the perception that a good portion of leaf fans are clueless about the game itself and simply have hometown pride which is never a bad thing. I agree with you that the leafs are bashed more then any other team but when most fans just lie down and understand there team sucks and needs to rebuild leaf fans (not all) honestly believe & will argue that they are one or two pieces away from making serious strides when really they are quater - half a team away from being a middle of the pack contender in the east. No one is arguing that porkchop, Duke & yourself are not simply hockey fans filled with leaf pride. However, it is the fans like guest who are filled with leaf pride and little hockey sense that bring the rest of leaf nation down. Unfortunately, you guys are the ones to fight the leafs honour as others statements just seem to backtrack the leafs fans credibility.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 08:51:01
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Originally posted by slozo
Bullcrap! Read the post again by the guest, and tell me exactly where he calls the Leafs a playoff team, a great team, etc.
Here's an idea Slozo, since i gave you the courtesy of re-reading the guest's comment, please extend me the same courtesy and re-read mine.
If you do, you will hopefully see that at NO POINT did i say he "calls the Leafs a playoff team, a great team, etc". Exactly where did you come up with that? Perhaps our opinions differ vastly on this, but anyone who posts stuff like "eat sh**" and "suck it", etc is a clown (that's actually what i called him). I need not go into his terrible grammar, his crap about Langenbrunner who was already traded, or his abundance of the need for *'s to block his language that would have his post deleted. I suppose i should have just written him off as a troll as that's more or less what he is, unfortunately for the good Leaf fans, IMO, he's the kind of clown who makes others look bad, haters hate more, etc.
So, i have to disagree that "all he did was mudsling back at the other teams, and predict a win last night against Phoenix that obviously never happened." If that's all you saw in his tirade and you're happy to have that sort of fan cheer for your team, good for you. I prefer otherwise.
Oh, and no, he's not an idiot for "a one game incorrect prediction", he's an idiot for the way in which he made his prediction.
As far as it being a Leafs thing, perhaps it's again because of the numbers. Trust me, if an Oilers fan came on here spewing the same crap, i'd feel the same way. Heck, i even gave you examples of "morons" around here who i can't stand for some of the stuff they do as far as cheering for the Canucks.
Slozo, this seems to have been a rough week for you and you've clearly let it "get to you". Perhaps the weekend will help?
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:06:37
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Originally posted by slozo
Alex - you call this guest a "stupid fan", but all he did was mudsling back at the other teams, and predict a win last night against Phoenix that obviously never happened.
For a one game incorrect prediction he's an idiot?
See, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say that Leaf fans are attacked mercilessly for very little reason. If you switch Leafs for Oilers in that same comment, it's just a fan . . . but because it's the Leafs, he's an idiot that makes reasonable fans looks bad and plans parade routes.
Bullcrap! Read the post again by the guest, and tell me exactly where he calls the Leafs a playoff team, a great team, etc.
That comment by that guest I have no issue with, none at all. It's a regular sort of comment made by a regular fan of almost any team in the NHL.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Perhaps I am miss reading this as well but I don't believe Alex posted this to say this was a Leafs fan saying rediculous stuff about the Leafs. This is just a fan saying rediculous stuff that almost doesn't make sense.
We all have'em. To the point where my actual most hated fan is the Edmonton Oiler fan. They are, for the most part, complete meatballs that don't have a clue.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 09:09:59
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Originally posted by Beans15
Perhaps I am miss reading this as well but I don't believe Alex posted this to say this was a Leafs fan saying rediculous stuff about the Leafs. This is just a fan saying rediculous stuff that almost doesn't make sense.
We all have'em. To the point where my actual most hated fan is the Edmonton Oiler fan. They are, for the most part, complete meatballs that don't have a clue.
Thank you Beans. I thought it was pretty clear, especially when i pointed out that there are many Canucks fans, who i called morons, who i can't stand (similar to you and the "meatballs" in Edm). Lol @ "meatballs". |
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 11:15:49
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You were clear on what your thoughts were, yes Alex . . . but you missed the boat on what my point was.
I will make it clear for you, as clear as I can, Alex. For Beans, there is no remedy, so this is just for you:
Alex116: "Slozo, this is the kind of fan that makes your team look bad. Trust me, i know."
No, you don't know. No, that isn't the kind of fan that makes me as a Leaf fan look bad - he only defended himself, put down another division rival, and predicted a win that would have continued a little hot streak. His language was reflective of the language he was replying to, btw.
Something you yourself have done on occasion, actually.
Alex116: "It's like the morons around here (Vancouver) that "plan parade routes, talk crap, etc when we were only "on our way up" to being a solid team. Heck, i know Canucks fans who started cup talk a number of years back when we qualified for the playoffs (on the final day of the season i might add) after a 4 year absence! These clowns really don't get it!"
Again, I don't totally agree with many points here, but it's quibbling . . . but mainly, you DO make the connection between the poster and morons that plan the parade route for other teams (yours in this case) - a false comparison, since the poster did nothing of the sort.
And lastly,
Alex116: "When it comes to arguments, TO fans always say to us Vancouver fans, "well, at least we've won one before". "
By "always", you must mean "very rarely", since I think I can remember that being mentioned once or twice in the three years I have been on this site, and yet Leaf and Canuck fans have had hundreds of arguments here.
Hope I made my point clear.
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Alex116
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 11:35:03
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Slozo, if that's your point, i now understand it. I made a mistake in implying that he was not just a foul mouthed clown going on a tirade, but also a fan claiming the Leafs were planning a parade. It's not exactly what i meant, but as often happens, things come out in print differently that what they were intended. I still maintain, THAT sort of fan (the guest with the potty mouth) does make your team look bad. And yes, all teams have a ton of those kinds.
As for my "always" meaing "very rarely", NO, it in fact doesn't. No where did i say anything about it being on this forum btw. In general, when i've argued with Leaf fans, who are usually going on about how great their franchise is, in person or otherwise, it OFTEN (sorry, my bad for saying always) resorts to those comments.
Slozo, if you really want to disect every word and phrase i use, be my guest, but your really being petty. I used that phrase ("....TO fans always say to us....") as a freakin' figure of speach, not verbatim.
This week really seems to have taken it's toll on you. This nitpicking is not what i'm used to from you. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 12:36:12
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Originally posted by Alex116
Slozo, if that's your point, i now understand it. I made a mistake in implying that he was not just a foul mouthed clown going on a tirade, but also a fan claiming the Leafs were planning a parade. It's not exactly what i meant, but as often happens, things come out in print differently that what they were intended. I still maintain, THAT sort of fan (the guest with the potty mouth) does make your team look bad. And yes, all teams have a ton of those kinds.
As for my "always" meaing "very rarely", NO, it in fact doesn't. No where did i say anything about it being on this forum btw. In general, when i've argued with Leaf fans, who are usually going on about how great their franchise is, in person or otherwise, it OFTEN (sorry, my bad for saying always) resorts to those comments.
Slozo, if you really want to disect every word and phrase i use, be my guest, but your really being petty. I used that phrase ("....TO fans always say to us....") as a freakin' figure of speach, not verbatim.
This week really seems to have taken it's toll on you. This nitpicking is not what i'm used to from you.
Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!
We have a winner!!!!
Seriously, am I the only one that see this and pokes at it??? In the 3+ years Slozo has been on the site it is the exact same thing. The issue gets tense, people begin to disagree, then comes the backhanded jabs,the 'strawman argument' comments and the eventual 'I am taking my ball and going home' comments a la the 'For Beans, there is no remedy' comment.
Those who have challenges arguing points fall into this trap and I will continuously keep jabbing, jabbing, and jabbing. The absolute best thing about this is that I NAILED it. I mean, look back to my posts about the Leafs from before the season even started and I was DEAD ON right. Every single thing. Where the Leafs would be in the standings, what challenges they would have with their team, everything.
Just wait, the next comments are going to be something about how bad the Oilers are..........
I guess the plan is for the Leafs to stay the course. Both the team and their fans because it's been the exact same thing for the past 3+ years. |
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The Duke
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Canada
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Posted - 01/15/2011 : 11:50:53
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Beans i read in some forum you saying something about a ticket draw for the world juniors.....you are involved in this draw somehow.
I seen on TSN how they cancelled this draw or something ??...what exactly is going on, are you still involved in the receiving of tickets ? |
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The Duke
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Canada
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Posted - 01/16/2011 : 12:24:11
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Read in another post about the WJC tickets....
Yes Beans you were right, the leafs are having another bad season. I cannot agree though that this team is the same as the past 3 plus seasons....... in the standings, yes....
At least this team has 4 - 6 players to start building something on, before they had NOTHING. The leafs have GREAT young goal-tending in the system plus some promising prospects.Aulie, Da`imgo, Kadri, Ross, Mckegg, Blacker, plus some favorable marlies.
Next season they will have 20 plus million available in new cap space. Maybe 2 good pickups via free agency.
Some hope is now on the horizon, before there was NONE !!! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 09:15:34
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OK, taking off my Leaf Hating hat for a second and looking optimistic, tell me more. I would love to hear about these building blocks of kids the Leafs have as I don't see much if any AHL hockey to tell me about the farm system. The media is focused on today's Leafs that one rarely hears about their prospects in their system.
C'mon Leaf fans, enlighten me.
On a side note, and without going too far off topic, the Oilers will be in a similar salary position next year. Furthermore, the Oilers have only 2 players signed through the 12-13 season. So when all this B+ level talent is ready to sign their next contract (assuming there will be no adjustments to the Cap) they will have nearly $50 million to sign all those kids.  |
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 11:14:15
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I pretty much just explained Toronto`s status...not much else to say. There it is in a nut-shell.
TO has to hope players like M.Muelleur, F.Brunnstrom, L.Caputi, C.Hanson, B.Irwin, J.Diamgo ( marlies ) will fill in, and hopefull blossom over the next 1 - 2 seasons while they groom their several ( CHL ) prospects.
While this is happening Burke has to try and pick up 2 - 3 ( as close to top notch as he can get ) free agent forwards. Any other moves to help the leafs up front ( in the near future ) will only be available via of trade.
Toronto has many Defensive prospects with the Marlies and 3 execellent goalie prospects outside of the Maple leafs. Not saying Burke should trade these goalies but they are there at his disposal.
I personally would not trade Reimer or Rynass, as for the monster, i would let him go before either of these two.
Brain Burke might do anything, i feel a big splash coming shortly, wether it will help the leafs, only time will tell.
With so many teams lurking between 4th and 12 th, in the west especially....this is a great time for a GM to move some veterans or trade-ables to receive some picks, prospects, youth. A strong pick-up or two by one of these bubble teams right now may mean the difference between making / missing the playoffs. |
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Mario 66
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Canada
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 11:49:17
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Duke not trying to come across ignorant as i like your optimism for the leafs future. Your comment about the teams from 4-12th being so close in the west "buble teams" maybe making a move to find that veteran prescence for a draft pick. I am presuming you are throwing it out there that the leafs could pick up some young talent from one of those teams?? If this is indeed the cs what talented veterans do the leafs have that will get them a nhl ready or a top level prospect which is what they need? Again not trying to be obnoxious but Kaberle has been virtually untradable the last couple of yrs and he would get you your highest potential player. To get rid of Mccarthur, Armstong Beauchemin, Komasarek (if they do not have NTC) then you will recieve nothing better then a 3rd - 6th round pick which based upon the leafs track record will not be a nhl calibre player and may effect your overall build which you obviously know.
I base the draft picks on the fact that Langebrunner only warranted a 3rd round pick & out of your options Kaberle is the only player better then Lanebrunner.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 13:11:18
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TO has to hope players like M.Muelleur, F.Brunnstrom, L.Caputi, C.Hanson, B.Irwin, J.Diamgo ( marlies ) will fill in, and hopefull blossom over the next 1 - 2 seasons while they groom their several ( CHL ) prospects.
F. Brunnstrom? As in Fabien Brunnstrom? As in the Fabien Brunnstrom that went to DAL with all the hype and hoopla, and then proceeded to get 9 points in 40 games in year 1 and was demoted to the AHL for year 2? He's one of your "hope players"? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 13:11:48
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Mario I think that might be a little agressive. There is certainly interest in players like Beauchemin, Kaberle, and on the outside Komisarek. The Leafs don't get worse if they lose either Beauchemin or Komisarek and Kaberle is gone in July anyways. It's not that Kaberle has been untradeable, there has been TONS of interest. However, what is perceived to the non-Leaf fan to be arrogance by Burke has been the reason for the trade to not happen.
Now, the Leafs would have to bend over a bit to move Komisarek as his contract is heavy based on his performance over the past 2 seasons. But Beachemin is an attractive option for a team looking to shore up their defensive crew. He is a legitimate player who has Cup experience and has shown to be an excellent 2nd fiddle while playing in Anaheim. Clearly, he has not lived up to the hype in TO, but who does. He would command far more than a 3rd round pick.
One has to remember that players under contract are worth substantially more than players becoming UFA's. That is why a guy like Langenbrunner is a 3rd round pick. Not to mention the guy is eligable for CPP next year!!
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The Duke
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 18:02:06
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I think there are several players of interest on TO for a stretch team Mario, they are not all that bad. Kaberle, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Graboski, Versteeg, Macarthur....most of these guys are still young.
I think all of these players are of at least equal, most more valued then the return of a player like langdenbrunner who is what, 36 - 37 years old, and an UFA at seasons end. His career is over, time to relax at the shady ranch.
Drastic times call for drastic measures, maybe if the leafs want some serious help up front ( which they do ) they should consider Schenn. Getting equal value in return of course, but in the form of a center.
Nuxfan, i`ve done a bit of reading on Brunnstrom and the common consenious on him ( among hockey analysist ) is that he was pushed too quickly into the NHL grinder, anyway time will tell. I`ve read he has skill to boot and is a powerful skater who is not afraid of the corner, some hockey people say he needs several months in AHL and may grow into an everyday producing 2nd line NHLer. Have never seen him play, so no personal comments. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 01/17/2011 : 21:54:55
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A very good article from Canoe today, illustrating how hard and how long it takes to build a contender - and perhaps giving insight into what the plan *should* be in TOR. Its interesting in that the current 2 heads in TOR (Burke and Nonis) are the ones that we largely consider responsible for building the bulk of the team that we have in VAN today.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2011/01/17/16924986.html
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Edited by - nuxfan on 01/17/2011 21:56:19 |
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LEAFS. Whats the plan in toronto.. 
