| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
 Posted - 01/27/2011 : 14:38:36
|
The news of this injury made me sick to my stomach . As i alluded to in the Burns/Edler thread, this guy is a lot better than many fans prob realize, especially if you don't see him often.
The feeling around town here today amongst hockey fans and media ranges from "ah, we'll still be okay, we're deep" to "there's no way we win the cup without Edler healthy". Obviously we do not yet know how long he'll be out for sure but his absence will def be felt. Gillis was on the radio today saying all the usual things like "it gives others an opportunity" and "it helps a team come together", blah, blah, blah, but there's no doubt that they're gonna miss him.
I still think the Canucks are good enough to stay in the top 3 but we'll see them put to the test. Philly was able to stay hot without Pronger for a month and Det has been hit hard by injuries and remained near the tops so now it's the Canucks turn to dig deep! Here's hoping Ballard can continue to "find his game" here with some extra ice time and that the other injured guys get back soon!
|
|
|
ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
996 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 15:28:07
|
| I heard he was heard, but not what happened or how long he's expected to be out? |
 |
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 15:37:12
|
Sat out last night with "back spasms". Announced this morning that he's got a "torn disc" that will not heal on it's own and requires surgery. 2 months is a guess for now, but depending on what they find when they actually do the surgery, it could be less, but could very well be more!
Overall, this sort of thing they say the recovery rate is 95%-100% so long term he looks to be fine. Unfortunately for this season, he could be done, but ya never know. They say more will be known in a week or two? |
|
|
|
Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
360 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 15:40:09
|
Edler is a great player but i believe the canucks are deep enough where it won't completely destroy the chemistry of the team and they should still have a solid run. You have enough defensively reliable forwards to limit any additional wholes that Edler's abscence may have caused. With the playoffs just over 2 months away i would get prepared to go into them or be without him for the entire run. You can not really do any strength and conditioning drills until your back is 100 % if it was a shoulder or leg injury atleast he could forcus on strenghting the other half of his body but with a weak back he is SOL.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
|
|
|
Guest4803
( )
|
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 15:44:57
|
| Its ok we have Lee Sweatt! plus this guy named Sami Salo who should be back soon, also have Baumgartner we can call up or Parent so we could lose a few dman yet and still be ok. |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 16:04:36
|
I'll be the first to agree that we're deep, however, you don't simply replace a guy who's been arguably your number 1 guy at both ends of the ice all year! He'll be missed on the PP which has been really good so far. He's got a very under rated slapshot and has teamed up well with the #1 unit to make it what it has been so far.
Considering they're currently using the number 10 or 11 guy on their defensive depth chart and still winning says something about their depth and they may not miss a beat, but if they falter some now, i won't be the least bit surprised. |
|
|
|
Guest4803
( )
|
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 16:21:48
|
| ya id be a little bit more worried if we were sitting in 8th place or out of a playoff position, but with Alberts and Rome due back sometime soon i think Bieksa and Ehrhoff will continue there solid play and hopefully Hamhuis and Ballard can keep improving. |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 16:23:55
|
Best case is that he's back shortly before the playoffs start. Worst case is season and playoff ending.
We have the depth to make this work I think. Even without Edler, we still have Erhoff, Bieksa, Ballard, Hamhuis as a top-4. Alberts and Rome should be back within the next 2 weeks. Salo is likely to be back by the end of Feb. Tanev has been a great fill-in while Alberts has been out, and shows pretty good poise. Sweatt was good last night, although I don't know how he'll do longer term yet.
In short, we should be good enough to continue on as-is. If we get Edler back before the playoffs as well, thats gonna be a serious defensive group to go into the postseason with.
The PP is the one place I think the Canucks will struggle - Edler is indispensable to that first unit, and it showed last night how much they're going to miss him, at least until Salo gets into form, the PP was pretty brutal vs NAS. Mikael Samuelsson is not an adequate fill in on the point. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 01/27/2011 16:25:11 |
|
|
|
Guest5806
( )
|
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 16:35:04
|
| good for the playoffs still |
|
|
|
leigh
Moderator
Canada
1755 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 17:41:07
|
I guess this means that Bieksa is staying around Vancouver now for sure. With salary cap issues there was talk that he might be the guy who goes.
If I was a Canuck fan I'd be a little more worried. Now, as much as I dislike the Canucks (division rivals with my Flames of course) I will admit that for the first time I think the Canucks are for real. As a whole the Canucks are deep but the defense is a little shaky due to injuries. First of all, Rome and Alberts are not back yet, so as my old man would say "don't count your chickens before they've hatched". Secondly, neither is of tremendous quality. Don't kid yourselves, they are ok but neither will replace Edler - It's like me saying that Pardy can replace Giordano; he's capable but not of the same calibre. Secondy, Bieksa is a little injury prone (and takes some defensive risks) And let's not begin talking about Sami "I'm made of glass" Salo. This defensive core is now an injury away from being decimated just in time for the playoffs. Let's just say that Ehrhoff now has his hands full. |
|
|
|
n/a
deleted
4809 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 19:04:06
|
I agree with Leigh . . . the Canucks are one injury away from things unravelling a bit, and that's with Salo in the line-up.
Back injuries are bad . . . they never really go away, and the surgery if done has a long recovery.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 20:44:46
|
no one is saying that Alberts and Rome are Edler types - but they have both been very solid 5/6/7 position defensemen, that can be counted on to play some respectable minutes.
Part of the success with the Canucks this year is due to not having to stress your top 4 out with a lot of extra minutes. When your team loses those reliable bottom end dmen, the top-4 are forced to play more minutes than they're used to playing, and then things start falling apart. The Canucks don't have a Pronger-type dman that is capable of 30 minute games on a regular basis - I think there has only been one game this year where a VAN dman has played more than 30 minutes (Erhoff played 33 on the last road trip when they were forced to play with 5 for nearly a whole game). For the team to be successful, they need every part playing their part.
|
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 20:53:31
|
quote:
Secondy, Bieksa is a little injury prone (and takes some defensive risks) And let's not begin talking about Sami "I'm made of glass" Salo. This defensive core is now an injury away from being decimated just in time for the playoffs. Let's just say that Ehrhoff now has his hands full.
If Edler does not come back, that makes our top-4:
- Erhoff
- Hamhuis
- Ballard
- Bieksa
Followed by:
- Salo (top 4 once he gets back into game shape)
- Alberts
- Rome
- (callups)
Of that group, the bulk of the offense will come from Erhoff and Bieksa - both are having very strong seasons, and Bieksa is a changed defenseman, he's been one of the brightest spots on this team all year long. The injuries are behind him.
Hamhuis has been one of the most reliable defensive dman on the Canucks this year, he plays in all situations, and is great on the PK. He can log more minutes if he needs to. Ballard had a very slow start (after hip surgery last summer), but has picked things up recently, and is becoming the Ballard that we traded for. Both very reliable defensively.
Salo, when he's finally back into game shape, will assume a position on the #1 PP unit, and will probably do well.
Alberts and Rome are interchangable, so we have a solid top6 with a hot spare. Callups Tanev and Sweatt have shown that they can play at this level, albeit not in top-4 scenarios
I have no problem finishing off the regular season with this group of dmen. If the prognosis for Edler does not look good for a return by playoff time, I would not be surprised to see the Canucks look to add a dman by the trade deadline - there are a few available (Kaberle, Jovo) that would probably look good as pure rentals.
In short, I'd love Edler back, but I'm not particularly worried (yet) if he can't go for the rest of the year. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 01/27/2011 20:55:04 |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 22:20:00
|
Leigh, i've been saying this all along, the Canucks can't just simply "replace" Edler from within the organization. I agree that they can still do well and possibly even maintain a top spot 1-3 in the conference without Edler but to succeed in the playoffs and actually go deep will be tough.
I'm not calling him Lidstrom's clone by any means, but imagine Detroit without Lidstrom. Most teams will def take a dip in their performance if they're missing their top D man.
Edler is a top 20 (17th) guy in the league as far as time on ice. You just don't "replace" a guy like this without a trade being made. The Canucks are simply forced to work as a team, use their depth and have a few guys step up their game to compensate.
I do agree with Leigh having said the Canucks are one more D injury away (a key one) from being in some more trouble. What seemed to be a strength position is looking a little scary for them now. It was assumed one or more dmen would be traded this season, now, as nuxfan pointed out, the Canucks may even be in the market for a rental dman! *note-don't think it'll be Kaberle, i just don't see Burke and the Canucks getting a deal done. If you think BB has set a high price for Kaberle, imagine what he would want outta the Canucks?!?!
|
|
|
|
leigh
Moderator
Canada
1755 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 23:27:25
|
Alex and nuxfan you both make some good points. But remember two more things,
1) Salo is not yet back and some reports suggest that he still may not return before the playoffs. And if he does it'll take significant time to get up to speed.
2) it's not that easy to just grab a guy at the trade deadline. First of all there needs to be a guy available. Secondly you have to out-bid someone. And finally, you need to give up something dear in order to pick up a stud.
But regardless, it's a nice d-core and it is rather deep. It's just a little....wobbly at the moment. But with 3 guys in the top 15 scorers and luongo in net you may not need huge depth in the D spot. |
|
|
|
Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
88 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 04:28:43
|
I agree with Leigh on the trade issues. What would the Canucks give up to get a top-4 D-man? Raymond and Samuelson were trade fodder when they needed cap-room, but they don't necessarily get you what you need.
Also, if they do go for a stud defenseman, where is that cap room going to come from? I have a feeling the Canucks are going to sit tight at the deadline, unless an amazing deal can be had or one more D-man goes down.
If that happens, other teams will know they are more desperate, and the price will go up. I just don't see them giving up a key part of their team, and I don't know if they want to give up picks/prospects either.
By the way, did any Canucks fans ever think that they'd be looking to Salo as a solution to an injury problem?  |
Edited by - Lunchbox on 01/28/2011 04:29:21 |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 08:01:49
|
Leigh/Lunchbox..... My wording may have been off a bit but i don't necessarily think the Canucks will go for a rental, i just threw it out there that rather than possibly dealing a Dman, they could be trying to aquire one now, especially if another key guy goes down to injury. Imagine if they lost Bieksa or Hamhuis now for a month+? They'd almost have to pick up someone?
At this point, this is all really premature as we won't know, they say, for a couple weeks as to how long Edler will be out. In a good case scenario for Canucks, he's out till shortly before the playoffs and can get a few games in and return for round 1.
I know Slozo mentioned how tough back inj's can be, but from everything i've heard, providing they don't find excessive severe damage once they "go in" to fix the prob, it's not considered "major" back surgery where a guy would be out for 6 months. This all comes down to what they find as the MRI they took can only show so much.......?
ETA......
BTW, if they feel they need a dman bad enough, they have enough players, prospects and picks to make it happen. As has been discussed, the price on rental players isn't always that high, and as crazy as this sounds because of how well he's played, there's always C. Schneider there as trade bait as he's not gonna be a backup forever. His value has only gotten better for the Nux since the beginning of the year! |
Edited by - Alex116 on 01/28/2011 08:04:09 |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 09:48:11
|
quote:
I agree with Leigh on the trade issues. What would the Canucks give up to get a top-4 D-man? Raymond and Samuelson were trade fodder when they needed cap-room, but they don't necessarily get you what you need.
This year, probably a lot. In years past, they have been good, but this is the first serious contender year that we've had in a long time - I do believe that management thinks they have a serious shot at the cup this year. If they do, and they find that Edler cannot make it back for the playoffs, I would bet that they'd pay a high price for a critical piece of that puzzle.
Active roster players would be available (to a degree of course), and I also think that prospects like Hodgson and Schroeder would be available for the right pickup.
quote:
Also, if they do go for a stud defenseman, where is that cap room going to come from? I have a feeling the Canucks are going to sit tight at the deadline, unless an amazing deal can be had or one more D-man goes down.
The Canucks will only make that trade deadline move if they have a reason to think that Edler won't be back for the playoffs. They have a month to see how he rehabs, that should be enough time to make a decision.
The cap room needed comes from putting Edler and Salo on LTIR - thats 7M off the books this year - and possibly offloading one of the 3rd or 4th line forwards. If the player acquired has a longer term deal, Salo and Bieksa are both UFA after this season |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 09:54:12
|
quote:
Alex and nuxfan you both make some good points. But remember two more things,
1) Salo is not yet back and some reports suggest that he still may not return before the playoffs. And if he does it'll take significant time to get up to speed.
2) it's not that easy to just grab a guy at the trade deadline. First of all there needs to be a guy available. Secondly you have to out-bid someone. And finally, you need to give up something dear in order to pick up a stud.
But regardless, it's a nice d-core and it is rather deep. It's just a little....wobbly at the moment. But with 3 guys in the top 15 scorers and luongo in net you may not need huge depth in the D spot.
Leigh, the Salo question is a good one - the Canucks have been very coy regarding his status since Christmas. He's been practicing with them for a month now, and I've even seen him taking shots in pre-game warmups. I had thought that they might have been vague about his status due to cap issues - if he was "ready to go", the NHL would force the Canucks to either put him on the roster or send him down via waivers.
I don't think anyone outside the Canuck organization knows where Salo's at. I do think he'll be playing well before the regular season is up.
No, its not easy to just grab a guy - but there are enough suitable guys available that we should be able to make a deal for a top-4 dman. We may not get that top-2 guy like Edler is, but I'm hoping that others on the Canucks now (I'm looking at you Ballard!) can step into a larger role, so maybe we don't need the stud that it looks like we need now. Again, there is a month to the deadline, we'll see where we are then.
One thing is for sure - the Canucks need defense. We had all that scoring and all that goaltending last year as well, but in the end a severely weakened defense was what did us in. SOB was our #2 dman last year in the series vs CHI! Can't have that happen again. |
|
|
|
n/a
deleted
4809 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 10:22:50
|
Great points made by Leigh, nuxfan.
Let's face it, the Canucks D was one of if not the deepest in the league to start the season . . . and yet, it is with the huge caveat that there were a couple of very injury prone guys among that group. And then Edler goes down, one of your top two d-men.
It's significant, but . . . we'll see where the d-man roster stands when the playoffs begin.
Would be nice to see a Canadian team get to the third round this year at least.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
|
|
|
Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 10:43:28
|
I wonder how attractive guys like Kaberle and Jovonovski will be at the deadline for Vancouver. Considering one of their achillies heels in the past few years has been the back end and seeing as they have a very ligimiate shot at a run, would it not be in their best interest to shore up the back end, even with a rental, rather than try to push a guy up into that top 4 spot that just isn't a top 4 guy.
Things will get interesting quickly. |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 11:23:27
|
If Edler does not look good to come back, I would fully expect the Canucks to pursue Kaberle and/or Jovo. I would prefer Jovo - he has history with the Canucks and I think he'd love to come back for this run. Plus, he can play a physical game. However, given that PHX is in a playoff spot now, and are likely to be in the postseason, I don't know if he's really on the block.
There are likely to be 4 or 5 good quality dmen that will be UFA available at the trade deadline. The Canucks could go off that radar though, and try to deal for someone that is not UFA - someone like a Corvo, or Tyutin, or Leopold, if the asking price for the UFA pool was too high. I'd rather give up a first round pick for Jordan Leopold than Kaberle - given that we're likely to lose both Bieksa and Salo in the summer no matter what happens this year. |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 11:28:22
|
as for pushing a non-top4 guy into the top-4 - there has been lots of talk regarding Ballard. When the Canucks traded for him (and his 4.5M salary for the next 5 years), we expected to be getting a top-4 dman. He had a very slow start due to offseason hip surgery and then a concussion, and as a result was benched for a while and eventually ended up in our 3rd pairing. He's currently playing about 15 minutes a game.
His current position is not top-4, however that speaks more to the competition to get into the top-4 in Vancouver - Edler, Hamhuis, Erhoff and Bieksa have been playing that well. Ballard has been speaking about being ready to assume a larger role (ie, more than 15 minutes a game and top-4), and the Edler injury will give him that chance. We'll see how he does.
I don't think the Canucks will force anyone to fill any role that they're not ready for - they'll trade for help if they think they need it. We have a month to see if Ballard can make that transition - he played larger roles and more minutes in FLA, so it should not be a stretch. |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 22:23:21
|
Nuxfan, i can't recall who it was i heard (media guy), but the other day, one reporter / writer was saying that he was at a Canucks practice and Salo didn't look "anywhere near to returning". I'm guessing that he's out till March at the earliest.
Beans, i share the same opinion as Nuxfan as far as Ballard being given the chance to get back to the level that he's been at in the past (Fla). His slow start has been blamed on his offseason surgery and i'm thinking (and hoping) that he can regain his old form. If so, we (oops, the Canucks) can survive without Edler, but would still be a much better team with him in the lineup. I cringe when i think about how much trouble they'd be in if Bieksa had either been traded, or not been playing at the level he has!
As far as Kaberle or Jovo, as i mentioned before, i can't see the Leafs and Canucks making a deal just yet. Too much tension still from past "incidents". Unless there's a third team involved, OR a major over payment, i can't see Kaberle in Van. Jovo, as someone pointed out, is on a team currently in the playoffs so may not be available? There's gotta be some other guys out there but i don't know who and haven't looked really yet.
The thing with Edler, and the reason he's so hard to replace, is that he's really good at both ends of the ice. He's been the Canucks "shut down" guy, AND pp specialist! I'll continue to hope that he makes a return before the playoffs. |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2011 : 00:31:04
|
hm, thats bad news about Salo. I'm surprised about that - back when he got injured, they figured that Christmas was the latest he'd be back - now March? Perhaps the injury was worse than initially thought...
I'll tell you one thing - if Ballard cannot manage a top-4 placement on this team, the Canucks would have to offload in the summer (I hope). 4.5M is way too much to be paying for a defenseman that isn't in your top-4, and I'd much rather see that money go towards keeping Erhoff or Bieksa - or both if the prices were right.
Alex, it was me that said that about Jovo. PHX is currently in the hunt, but I've seen more than one site indicate that he's available....could be that PHX wants to get something for him before he walks for nothing, playoff run or not. |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2011 : 16:13:39
|
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
hm, thats bad news about Salo. I'm surprised about that - back when he got injured, they figured that Christmas was the latest he'd be back - now March? Perhaps the injury was worse than initially thought...
Again, this is only something i heard on the radio, but it was from a writer / reporter who does attend practices and basically said, yeah, he's skating, but he doesn't look close to playing. Who knows, they've possibly told him to take it easy if they were in fact thinking of milking it a bit until they really needed him (for cap reasons that have been discussed)? Really tough to say though.
As far as Jovo, i could see Pho wanting to get something for him but what's that saying to your fans, you know, all 5000 of them who show up each night  ? I too think Jovo would be great here and i'm sure he'd love to come back and the fans would welcome him for sure! |
|
|
|
Dastardly Bastard
Top Prospect
22 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 15:19:10
|
The chances of Phoenix and Vancouver trading are slim to none as both are in the same conference and will potentially face each other come the playoffs.
If any big trade is going to happen, it's going to be with To. Burkie is on his last legs there and I doubt he'll hurt his team by not doing a trade if the right trade came along. Especially since everyone he had issues with are no longer with the organization (owners). I mean it's not like he could possibly hate Dave Pratt that much. |
Edited by - Dastardly Bastard on 01/30/2011 15:20:25 |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 16:12:01
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dastardly Bastard
The chances of Phoenix and Vancouver trading are slim to none as both are in the same conference and will potentially face each other come the playoffs.
If any big trade is going to happen, it's going to be with To. Burkie is on his last legs there and I doubt he'll hurt his team by not doing a trade if the right trade came along. Especially since everyone he had issues with are no longer with the organization (owners). I mean it's not like he could possibly hate Dave Pratt that much.
It's got nothing to do with Pratt. However Burke and Nonis have a general hate-on for Vancouver for other reasons such as the "tampering allegations" regarding the Sedins before they were FA's. I'm not saying it can't be done, but i think BB would be very hesitant, unless it's a landslide win win situation for him, to deal with the Canucks, just in case the trade ended up favoring Vancouver. I don't think his ego could handle another blow as big as that one would be. |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 21:17:36
|
| yeah, I have to agree with Alex. On personalities and history alone, deals between VAN and TOR are not likely to happen. |
|
|
|
T-RAV
Top Prospect
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2011 : 04:32:16
|
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
It's got nothing to do with Pratt. However Burke and Nonis have a general hate-on for Vancouver for other reasons such as the "tampering allegations" regarding the Sedins before they were FA's. I'm not saying it can't be done, but i think BB would be very hesitant, unless it's a landslide win win situation for him, to deal with the Canucks, just in case the trade ended up favoring Vancouver. I don't think his ego could handle another blow as big as that one would be.
Would you guys care to elaborate on the "tampering" situation. I never heard about this.
As much as I hate to say/think this, I too believe the Canucks will have the depth to cruise into the playoffs. Winning teams usually have winning attitudes. And that goes a long way.
Peace and Respect |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2011 : 07:52:09
|
quote:
Originally posted by T-RAV
Would you guys care to elaborate on the "tampering" situation. I never heard about this.
Not really  , only cuz it'll prob open, errr, re-open the debate abuot the whole situation! In a nutshell, the Canucks organization claims that the Leafs contacted the Sedin's prior to them being FA's regarding signing in TO.
Here's a TSN article on it T-RAV, i'll let you read it yourself rather than me explain the entire thing!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294104 |
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 14:01:44
|
so it looks like Salo is heading to the Moose for a conditioning stint - assuming all goes well, he's likely to be with the Canucks within 2 weeks time.
It might just be great timing, but something tells me that he has been closer to ready than the team has let on for a while now....the Edler injury has simply allowed them to make the move. |
|
|
|
Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 18:12:09
|
Ehrhoff has the potential to be better then Ducan Kieth was last year.
Both of theese players are known for the skill on holding the line, except even though Ehrhoff has a weaker shot he knows how to clear the defensive zone better.
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
|
|
|
Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 18:15:15
|
I think Ballard has done well for a bit now. He has thrown a few big hits though out this season, shown sniper accuracy, and now has finally found his legs.
Hamhuis is the Canucks Lindstrom, not saying they are close in skill level, but they both do great things unnoticed.
Tanev is wonderful to have on the team he is quite amazing.
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
|
|
|
Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
268 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 18:32:35
|
We will see tomorrow how Keith and Erhoff match up. Actually if the playoffs started today Hawks and Canucks would meet in the first round.
Any thoughts as to how a series would go without Edler in the lineup?
I think the Canucks would still .. gulp win that match up. |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:05:58
|
quote:
Originally posted by Oilearl
I think the Canucks would still .. gulp win that match up.
I would hope so, but i have to be honest, it's not a matchup i wanna see!
|
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:09:24
|
Heard today that Tanev might be sent down. Reasoning was so he could play more mins and continue to develop. I guess with Rome/Alberts returning soon (i think) they don't feel they need him and it makes sense. I would love to see him stick around as he's played way better than most thought he would but there's no point if he's not in the line up. Too bad, i don't wanna wish for injuries but that's about the only way he'd be able to stick with the Canucks.
This kid, who i knew little about, has shown some really good poise and patience since his call up. Would love to see him play and learn at this level just in case he's needed come playoff time!
|
|
|
|
nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:35:22
|
quote:
Ehrhoff has the potential to be better then Ducan Kieth was last year.
Er, no, not really. Please don't compare Erhoff to Keith, its not close.
quote:
I think the Canucks would still .. gulp win that match up
Oilearl, I have to think the Canucks would beat CHI in a series right now. The game tomorrow should be great, both CHI and VAN are riding hot streaks right now, it will be a good test I think.
Alex - I have to say, I'm super impressed with Tanev. He reminds me of Willie Mitchell - nothing fancy, great defensive presence, smart hockey player. A year ago he was so far down the depth chart as to be nonexistant, now he's one of the top 3 defensive prospects in our system. He's only going down because, as you say, Alberts and Rome are both due back. |
|
|
|
Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 10:56:47
|
Ehrhoff vs Duncan Keith
Ehrhoff has more points
higher plus minus
less giveaways
less ice time
and more goals
Hmm I think Ehrhoff is comparable to Duncan Keith even after last years performance.
I can understand how you don't like most of my comparrisons but this one actually works 
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
|
|
|
Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 11:04:31
|
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Ehrhoff vs Duncan Keith
Ehrhoff has more points
higher plus minus
less giveaways
less ice time
and more goals
Hmm I think Ehrhoff is comparable to Duncan Keith even after last years performance.
I can understand how you don't like most of my comparrisons but this one actually works
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
Your quote was "Ehrhoff has the potential to be better then Ducan Kieth was last year.", which is really not only your opinion, it's impossible to really dismiss. You see, potential is something we can't really measure. Maybe Ehrhoff does have what it takes to be better than Duncan Keith was last year? It's entirely possible i suppose. So too could Chris Tanev i guess? Who knows how good anyone could become? Problem here Utemin is that you're implying that Ehrhoff, this year, is comparable to Keith last year, at least that's how i read it. Are you comparing points, +/-, giveaways/takeaways, etc from this year? I'm not gonna bother looking it up but unless you're comparing Ehrhoff's #'s at this point in the season to Keith's at the same point last year, then it's a useless argument.
Lemme ask you this.......How many times, aside from in conversations with yourself, have you heard the name Christian Ehrhoff mentioned in talks for a Norris Trophy this year? |
|
|
|
Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 11:07:36
|
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116
quote:
Originally posted by Utemin
Ehrhoff vs Duncan Keith
Ehrhoff has more points
higher plus minus
less giveaways
less ice time
and more goals
Hmm I think Ehrhoff is comparable to Duncan Keith even after last years performance.
I can understand how you don't like most of my comparrisons but this one actually works
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
Your quote was "Ehrhoff has the potential to be better then Ducan Kieth was last year.", which is really not only your opinion, it's impossible to really dismiss. You see, potential is something we can't really measure. Maybe Ehrhoff does have what it takes to be better than Duncan Keith was last year? It's entirely possible i suppose. So too could Chris Tanev i guess? Who knows how good anyone could become? Problem here Utemin is that you're implying that Ehrhoff, this year, is comparable to Keith last year, at least that's how i read it. Are you comparing points, +/-, giveaways/takeaways, etc from this year? I'm not gonna bother looking it up but unless you're comparing Ehrhoff's #'s at this point in the season to Keith's at the same point last year, then it's a useless argument.
Lemme ask you this.......How many times, aside from in conversations with yourself, have you heard the name Christian Ehrhoff mentioned in talks for a Norris Trophy this year?
I actually respect that part of the post. What I meant is Ehrhoff is the same style as Keith, and is still young enough to surpass those numbers.
Did I ever say Ehrhoff was going to do it this year? and 0 but Edlers name has come up twice. (which even before injury is BS)
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
Edited by - Utemin on 02/05/2011 11:09:17 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Edler out, Nux depth to be tested. 
