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doublechamp7
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 02/05/2011 : 11:50:20
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Sami Salo is healthy again. He played last night for Manitoba (Vancouvers AHL farm team) and scored two goals. That may help a bit when he gets called back up.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 13:44:22
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Hmm I think Ehrhoff is comparable to Duncan Keith even after last years performance.
I can understand how you don't like most of my comparrisons but this one actually works
If you were building a team today, from scratch, and in your next pick you had to take a defenseman, and Duncan Keith and Christian Erhoff were both available, which one would you take?
Duncan Keith is one of the top-5 defensemen in the NHL today, a top-2 defenseman on EVERY team in the NHL - even the Canucks - Erhoff is not. Points and +/- are great stats, but part of Erhoff's success has to be that he plays on the highest scoring team in the NHL right now - and even with that he is only 2 points ahead of Keith.
And don't sell TOI short - for a defenseman, it is the measure of how trusted he is as a DEFENSEman. There are only a handful of NHL defensemen that play 25-30 minutes a night, in every situation, night after night. Keith is currently second in the league for TOI/game, at 26:42. Erhoff, 33rd at 23:18. Big difference. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 13:50:27
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Originally posted by nuxfan
Points and +/- are great stats, but part of Erhoff's success has to be that he plays on the highest scoring team in the NHL right now - and even with that he is only 2 points ahead of Keith.
And this is in a year where Keith is on pace for 45 pts, not the 69 he had last season. If you're comparing Ehroff this year to the season Keith had last year, he's a long ways off! |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:31:39
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"Ehrhoff has the potential to be better then Ducan Kieth was last year.
Both of theese players are known for the skill on holding the line, except even though Ehrhoff has a weaker shot he knows how to clear the defensive zone better."
That was my first post, then Nuxfan said don't even compare Ehrhoff and Keith, so then I replied with this years stats saying they are very comparable. So basically this year point totals were added in just to prove a point in a further post.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 22:20:53
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NOW things get interesting for the Canucks... reports on Team 1040 are that Ballard fractured his leg tonight, initial estimates have him out 6-8 weeks. If so, he *should* be back just in time for the playoffs. But its one more regular dman down for an extended period of time.
When it rains, it pours. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 22:40:22
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Originally posted by nuxfan
NOW things get interesting for the Canucks... reports on Team 1040 are that Ballard fractured his leg tonight, initial estimates have him out 6-8 weeks. If so, he *should* be back just in time for the playoffs. But its one more regular dman down for an extended period of time.
When it rains, it pours.
Hmmmm, thought for sure it was an ankle sprain. Either way, as you said, it's another serious injury on the back end for the Canucks. Nuxfan, did you watch the whole game? I only saw the first period and part of the 2nd. With Rome out for 17mins in penalties and Ballard lost, i heard they may need Burrows to play some D? Did he?
Also, another great game from Kes! You see him on Samuelsson's goal? Broke his stick, kicked the puck to Raymond, grabbed a new stick as he went by the bench, got the puck back in the Ott zone and fed Samuelson for a tap in! And that followed his nice wrist shot goal, which came on the same shift that he wrung one off the post on another wrist shot! So fun to watch! |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
Canada
75 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 04:18:17
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| I bet you are hoping Salo is "just milking it" now, eh? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 08:29:36
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Hmmmm, thought for sure it was an ankle sprain. Either way, as you said, it's another serious injury on the back end for the Canucks. Nuxfan, did you watch the whole game? I only saw the first period and part of the 2nd. With Rome out for 17mins in penalties and Ballard lost, i heard they may need Burrows to play some D? Did he?
I was at the game. The Ballard injury happened about 2 minutes in, so they played the entire game with 5 dmen again. I think its more than a sprain, Ballard was in a *lot* of pain, and had to be helped off the ice, no weight on the leg in the tunnel either.
Yeah, it got dicey after Rome fought Neil - he got 17 minutes in penalties (thankfully he didn't get the game misconduct for instigating), we were down to 4 dmen for 17 minutes, including some penalty killing time. You can't play long with only 4 dmen, and the Spezza goal was a great example of why - he scored on a 3-on-none breakdown, I have never seen one before...
The defense looked pretty tired by the end of the game, we were hanging on in the end. Thankfully our opponent was OTT, they didn't look particularly good last night.
Salo is probably a week away from joining, and I think they'll recall Tanev again. Unlike Edler, its certain that Ballard will be back in time for the playoffs, even with a break, so I'm not too worried. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 08:34:27
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| T-RAV - Salo played his first game with the Moose last weekend, and is in the middle of his conditioning stint, so its only a matter of time before he's back at this point. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:45:20
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I think its more than a sprain, Ballard was in a *lot* of pain, and had to be helped off the ice, no weight on the leg in the tunnel either.
I've always heard that a bad sprain is worse than a break (assuming the break doesn't require surgery) so either way, he's likely out for 6-8 weeks.
I watched the video of it again and while his ankle gets caught under him, it appears his knee took the worst of it! Hopefully nothing is torn (an acl would cost him 6months) and it's either a clean break or a sprain??? Be really tough if he's gone for the season after what Edler is going through! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:16:51
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| the loss of Ballard is far less than the loss of Edler, however I don't like being down both of them for the forseeable future. Salo can't get back fast enough, and it looks like they've kept Tanev up for now. Alls good. |
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blade
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 12:56:59
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| I heardat Salo's first game back will be against the Flames this Saturday. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 14:05:08
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Saturday, or the following Tuesday from what I hear.
Also, it looks like Ballard's injury might be less serious than thought - its clearly not broken as he's walking on it, but they're concerned about ligament damage, MRI today. I'm with Alex, I would have preferred a break - at least you know that they'll be back in a pre-determined amount of time. Soft tissue and ligament issues can linger... |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
451 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 17:36:06
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.... I really Im quite pissed at Ballard and Edler being out, they have clearly been our best D-Man since the New year. Hamhuis it is now time for you too shine!
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
3670 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 21:39:48
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Hamhuis it is now time for you too shine
??? Hamhuis has been shining all year long...
Looks like Ballard has a sprained MCL, 2-4 weeks. Yay |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 22:40:28
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Originally posted by Utemin
.... I really Im quite pissed at Ballard and Edler being out, they have clearly been our best D-Man since the New year. Hamhuis it is now time for you too shine!
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
Utemin.....do you watch the Canucks? Are you really a fan? I'm serious, cuz you say a lot of strange things. How in the world you can call Ballard one of our top 2 dmen since Jan 1 is beyond me ? Hamhuis and Ehrhoff have both been better, and while that may be my opinion, it's as close to FACT as you will get.
Ballard has improved some, but he's still got a long way to go to be back to the level he was playing at in Florida and to come anywhere close to being one of our two best???
Have a look at the TOI for the dmen and you'll notice who gets the most playing time. That often tells you who's playing best in case you didn't know....
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 21:47:32
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sigh....
Hamhuis down tonight, after a pretty vicious board (not called) by Getzlaf. It looked like he lost consciousness on the ice, before being helped off. I'm guessing concussion, but no word yet on the extent.
Edler, Ballard, Hamhuis all down in the last 2 weeks. Salo due back on Saturday thankfully, but our depth is being tested for sure. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:36:44
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Nuxfan, i was at the game and not only didn't get a great view of it, but i didn't have the luxury of a replay (as you know, they don't often show controversial replays at the game). He certainly looked "out" as he went to the ice. His legs seemed to completely give out as though he was unconcious?
Keeping my fingers crossed and watching Sportsnet for a replay now that i'm home!
Having to rely on Salo staying healthy is always scary! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 22:46:03
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Just saw the replay and it looked a little to me like the Liambas / Fannelli hit from a year and half ago. Now, i have to stress, it looked like it from the opinion i had on that one.
Getzlaf looked to be ready to hit Hamhuis and at the last second, Hammer turns to throw the puck the other way and an already committed Getzlaf hits what is now his back/shoulder. He did appear to leave his feet but at best, i say it was borderline cheap. I don't for a second think it was a blatant cheapshot / dirty hit.
Either way, it was not a pretty site seeing Hamhuis collapse like that.... |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 02:46:52
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For Van's sake I hope Hamhuis is ok. Seriously.
However like you said Getzlaf didn't have much choice but to finish his hit.
I don't know Ryan personally, but he doesn't really have a reputation for dirty hits does he? I doubt he meant to injure him.
"If we succumb to a dream world, then we will wake up to a nightmare" - Jimmy Carter
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Dastardly Bastard
Top Prospect
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 07:07:11
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Originally posted by Dastardly Bastard
The chances of Phoenix and Vancouver trading are slim to none as both are in the same conference and will potentially face each other come the playoffs.
If any big trade is going to happen, it's going to be with To. Burkie is on his last legs there and I doubt he'll hurt his team by not doing a trade if the right trade came along. Especially since everyone he had issues with are no longer with the organization (owners). I mean it's not like he could possibly hate Dave Pratt that much.
It's got nothing to do with Pratt. However Burke and Nonis have a general hate-on for Vancouver for other reasons such as the "tampering allegations" regarding the Sedins before they were FA's. I'm not saying it can't be done, but i think BB would be very hesitant, unless it's a landslide win win situation for him, to deal with the Canucks, just in case the trade ended up favoring Vancouver. I don't think his ego could handle another blow as big as that one would be.
The Pratt comment was supposed to be a joke. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 08:59:03
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it looks like Hamhuis will be OK, AV said no concussion, and hopeful to play Saturday. Finally, some good news for the defense.
TRAV - Getzlaf is not known for dirty play, and I don't think that this play should have warranted a suspension. I do think there should have been a 2 minute boarding penalty, this was clearly boarding - the fact that he left his feet while making the hit is even worse. I'm sure he didn't mean to hurt him either, but when you have 35 pounds on a guy and you leave your feet to hit a player face-first into the boards, bad things are bound to happen.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
6113 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 09:36:40
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Originally posted by nuxfan
I do think there should have been a 2 minute boarding penalty, this was clearly boarding.......
Nuxfan, assuming you watched the game, did it not seem strange the lack of penalties called? There were numerous instances where the crowd was freakin' out over non calls. The refs just seemed to put their whistles away as though it were a playoff game? Went both ways i suppose, though of course i notice the non calls against the Ducks more. There were a few instances where i thought that either a trip should be called, OR a dive, but one or the other should have been called!
All in all, not a great game, but a decent finish with a Sedin chance with under 2 seconds left to tie it! Bummer, what coulda been!
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 10:10:51
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yeah, watched the game, and was also puzzled by many of the non-calls. There seemed to be more uncalled infractions by ANA than VAN, but I guess it goes that way sometimes. I too am biased.
Yeah, it was a good game - I continue to be impressed with the Canucks resilience. A couple of years ago if we'd been down 3-0 in the middle of the second, you would have known the game was over. But now, you can't help but think they still have a real shot at a comeback, and sure enough they almost did - I was out of my chair when that puck went to Daniel and he missed, sure he was going to pot it. Can you imagine if we'd scored 2 goals in the final 30 seconds to tie?
That is the 3rd home game recently where we've mounted a seemingly improbable comeback against a good team that seemed to be outplaying us (the NSH game, back from 1-0 midway thru the 3rd period to win 2-1, and the CHI game, back from 2-1 and 3-2 midway thru the 3rd to win 4-3). Last night didn't end in victory, but I was impressed with the way we came back in the end. |
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 14:23:18
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| According to TSN Hamhuis does have a concussion and is out indefinetly.......in other canuck defenseman news Salo has been recalled from the Farm after a short conditioning stint....any predictions on what type of injury will be next for Sami and how many games it will take |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 14:29:40
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Originally posted by Guest4803
According to TSN Hamhuis does have a concussion and is out indefinetly.......in other canuck defenseman news Salo has been recalled from the Farm after a short conditioning stint....any predictions on what type of injury will be next for Sami and how many games it will take
Haven't decided on the injury, but i'll say 0 games. He'll hurt himself before tomorrow night's tilt...... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 14:51:09
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well, I have to say I'm not surprised that he's concussed, he was hit pretty hard. That is bad news - probably worse than Edler and Ballard given the relative unknown timeline on it. Could be back next week, could be gone all season and playoffs.
Glad Salo is back, thats for sure. Plus, its assumed at this point that all 3 of Edler, Ballard, and (hopefully) Hamhuis will likely be back for the playoffs, so long term I'm not worried. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/14/2011 : 22:02:36
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wow, this is getting ridiculous. Alberts is now out with a broken wrist.
The Canucks have now lost 4 of their top-6 defensemen to significant injuries (3 weeks or more) in the last 2 weeks. |
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 01:24:45
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| I heard Yann Sauve is on his way up. Never played a game in the NHL. I think it's fair to say the Canucks have officially hit the bottom of the depth chart on D. |
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 05:40:49
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It is a bit crazy and snakebit the way every year seemingly, whenever the Canucks look like they may be the team to beat, their defence all start going down with injuries.
On a brighter note for Canadian teams, the Flames may make the playoffs!
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 09:44:40
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the most surprising thing in all this is that Bieksa and Salo remain healthy 
Yeah Leigh, we have hit the bottom. After Sauve, we can call up Connauton, Parent, and Oberg - but honestly, we're in danger of depleting the Moose at this point. |
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leigh
Moderator
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Posted - 02/15/2011 : 10:35:57
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Originally posted by nuxfan
the most surprising thing in all this is that Bieksa and Salo remain healthy
Salo has only been back for 2 games, give him a little time. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 09:44:52
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wow. Bieksa out 2-3 weeks with a broken foot.
So, in the last 2 weeks, the Canucks have lost:
- Edler (until playoffs)
- Hamhuis (unknown)
- Ballard (until mid-March)
- Alberts (until playoffs)
- Bieksa (until early March)
5 of the top-6 are gone, only Erhoff is left from the opening day defensive roster top-6. Salo back helps a great deal of course. |
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Nucks07
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 10:16:48
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| Because of all the D-men injured the Nucks have asked Dave Babych to come out of retirement a.s.a.p |
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 11:33:48
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As a total non-fan of your organisation, I truly feel bad for you guys . . . that is some super crappy luck.
On the plus side, with the offence going the way it is, and Luongo playing well . . . the Nucks still have a great chance if most of those D-men get back during the mid playoffs at the latest.
Crazy bad luck.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 13:47:20
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On the plus side, with the offence going the way it is, and Luongo playing well . . . the Nucks still have a great chance if most of those D-men get back during the mid playoffs at the latest.
yeah, that is the good news - most should be back before the end of the season, only Hamhuis and Edler are question marks for the playoffs - but word is that Hamhuis is showing positive recovery from concussion, and I have heard nothing bad (or good) regarding Edler, which I take to be good news for now.
First in the conference might be a challenge to maintain, but certainly a top-3 conference finish is looking near certainty. If we can show up for the playoffs with all 5 of them healthy again, watch out. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 14:26:43
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I think the habs have taken to the Canucks with a similar looking Blueline the habs are down Gill Gorges Spacek Markov, leaving only Hammirlik and Subban in the lineup their original top six... they just made a move for Paul Mara who should be a good stand in untill some of these players regain their health
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Ripley
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 16:32:58
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Originally posted by nuxfan
...First in the conference might be a challenge to maintain, but certainly a top-3 conference finish is looking near certainty...
I'd say that top 2 conference is in the bag. Even at 500 hockey 3 through 12 can't touch them. |
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Guest4278
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 20:03:56
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Previous posts about a rental D-man and no one mentions Chris Phillips from Ottawa. UFA and with all the injuries Van can easily fit him under the cap. Probably have to give up this year's 1st rounder this year or a prospect. I don't think Ottawa can ask for too much more than that.
I wonder if you need to be cap compliant during the playoffs? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 23:11:15
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I wonder if you need to be cap compliant during the playoffs?
You do not have to be cap compliant during the playoffs, there is no cap. However, in order to be on the playoff roster though, I believe you have to have played at least one game with the team in the regular season, or a minimum number, or something like that. I'm not clear on it.
Believe it or not, the Canucks have no cap room for Phillips - only Edler and Alberts have been put on LTIR, as they are the only ones guaranteed to be out until playoffs. Ballard, Hamhuis, and Beiksa are all DTD, and with Salo back, the Canucks have less than 1M in cap space - not enough for much. If they bring in a player like Phillips, then they cannot fit other regular dmen into the lineup before the playoffs once they come back, and the NHL will give them all kinds of grief for that and possibly hold them off the playoff roster.
We'll ride the farm for now. Hey, good night tonight, we lost but Erhoff and Salo remain healthy... |
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