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BucketHead
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 Posted - 06/21/2011 : 23:33:27
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Love how many ppl were s***ting on T. Kaberle, Then he goes and helps them win the cup,  |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/22/2011 : 06:46:36
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I have a strange feeling, those calling him over rated will not have changed their views. I don't think his playoff performance will have changed that. Trust me, they'll be on here soon  . |
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Guest2776
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Posted - 06/22/2011 : 13:41:40
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Im a Bruin fan and there is no doubt Kaberle played a great 3 or 4 defenceman role for the team. I guess the question is did they severly overpay if thats the role they envisioned for him or did his play dictate thats where he was sloted.
I personally will wait to see if he resigns with the team, then I can accuratelly express my feelings. Anyway we won the cup so I guess it was the right trade. |
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Guest7752
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Posted - 06/23/2011 : 09:36:45
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Based on the (4) series Boston played in the playoffs, Kaberle caused more damage in any game than support.
He's got his name on the cup - that's about it, and probably right along side Steven Kampfer's name!!! Both equally contributed in the (4) playoff series....
For those that don't agree, go watch the four series, or go watch them again.
So yes, he proven he's even more over-rated than ever.
By the way, how proud of this accomplishment can he (or those suporting him) really be knowing that Marc Savard may not get his name on the cup? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/23/2011 : 09:45:11
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The rules are what the rules are. I would suggest that although Savard was a key piece to the Bruins in the past, the handful of games he played this year had little impact on the Bruins success. Furthermore, I would suggest that Kaberle had more impact on the Bruins winning the Cup than Savard did. So I don't understand that comment.
Secondly, I did watch a lot of the Bruins in the playoffs. I watched Kaberle and I watched a player who moved the puck very well. I watche him QB the power play well and move the puck laterally as good as any player in the series. I also watched him play average to below average defensively and occasionally turn the puck over in his own end.
Is that not what the MO of Kaberle has been since day one?? How can he be over-rated when he does the same things all the time?? |
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Guest0026
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Posted - 06/23/2011 : 12:17:47
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Originally posted by Beans15
The rules are what the rules are. I would suggest that although Savard was a key piece to the Bruins in the past, the handful of games he played this year had little impact on the Bruins success. Furthermore, I would suggest that Kaberle had more impact on the Bruins winning the Cup than Savard did. So I don't understand that comment.
Secondly, I did watch a lot of the Bruins in the playoffs. I watched Kaberle and I watched a player who moved the puck very well. I watche him QB the power play well and move the puck laterally as good as any player in the series. I also watched him play average to below average defensively and occasionally turn the puck over in his own end.
Is that not what the MO of Kaberle has been since day one?? How can he be over-rated when he does the same things all the time??
having his name on the cup and not having savrd's name on the cup makes kabrle over rated to me |
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andyhack
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 08:45:30
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He got better as the playoffs went along, particularly in the finals. That says something about his character as he was under a lot of fire.
And he certainly did, at times, help with getting the puck out of the zone smoothly, and made some nice passes, etc.
Having said that, in my opinion there was, and still is, some justification for the fire. EVEN putting aside the really poor defensive errors he made (on the basis that we all knew he wasn't great in that area of the game), his offensive production was just "okay" and for the first part of the playoffs anyway, he actually hurt the PP rather than help it in my view due to his lack of shooting (and the ability of the PK guys to better defend knowing he was never going to shoot).
Maybe you can argue that his offence was "pretty good" (playoff numbers would come out to close to 40 assists if same pace over a full season) but it certainly was NOT "very good". So it depends where you "rated" him I guess. Personally I thought at least "good" solid offensive production and improvement to the PP were two basic "gimmes" that the Bs were getting with the guy, and as those things arguably didn't come, I think I have to still answer the question "YES, HE IS OVER-RATED".
BUT, and this is my main point here, it is the wrong question now! The question now should be "Could the Bruins have won the Cup without him?" or "Would they have won the Cup with Kampfer in his spot?" My guess on those questions is that, even with all his faults, the PP crap (which did get better in the finals THANKFULLY!) and even with possibly being over-rated, Kaberle helped the Bruins win a Cup that may not have been won with Kampfer in his place. I have nothing against Kampfer by the way, but there are added dimensions with Kaberle that may have helped the Bs to the Cup.
* "Bs to the Cup" I still can't quite believe it!
Anyway, this is a tough one - an unlucky bounce against the Bs in any of the Game 7s would have us thinking oh so differently about it now. But instead they get the bounces, and now we just have to ask the "But for no Kaberle..." question. Life is indeed funny! |
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Guest4086
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 10:26:20
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Boston made the trade for Kaberle with the goal in mind to win the Cup this year. they accomplished that. so if the question is "did Boston pay too much for Kaberle?", the answer is No, most definitely not. they won the Cup. there is no other arguement there. even if they don't re-sign him. it makes no difference.
is he over-rated? well that's a bit of an odd question. over rated compared to what? i agree with Beans. scouting reports on him right from day 1 of his career show him as a good offensive d-man with excellent puck handling skills, and a solid PP quarterback. but at the same time weak in his own end, and not a physical type defensive player. Boston knew that when they made the trade for him, so it's not as if they were expecting something more. so is it, do the scouts over rate him? i don't think so. he is what they say he is. it's only because he went on a Cup run with Boston and his "skills" were broadcast to a wider TV audience, and he's open to more critiques from people who aren't used to seeing him on a regular basis. |
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Utemin
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 18:48:29
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slightly over-rated offensivley, extremely under-rated dfensvly.
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TheRC
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 20:56:37
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As a Leaf fan who has seen a hell of a lot of Kaberle over the years, it didn't seem to me like he played his absolute best hockey in the playoffs, but his performance in the final was decent.
Oddly enough, I think the other members of the Bruins must have seen something from him that most of us watching on TV missed; Kabby was handed the Cup right after the captain Chara and the obvious first-in-lines like Thomas and Recchi. Did anybody else find that a bit odd?
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Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 21:32:54
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His name is on the cup and he withstood the pain, fatigue and pressure of 4 rounds of playoff hockey to get it there!! Overrated is moot now instead of bashing him I congratulate him on his accomplishment! Every player on the team contributes in to the win, he is a Bruins stanley cup champion now and forever.
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Guest2758
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Posted - 07/05/2011 : 17:14:42
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| In the end he signed for about the same as what he was getting in Toronto. We will see how he does with the Canes but whether he is overated or not he is a Stanley cup champ and thats something alot of players on Toronto never will be. |
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T. Kaberle - Over Rated? 
