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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:00:54
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Poll Question:
Which team made the best trades(s) to solidify themselves as Stanley Cup contenders?
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:05:34
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Great poll frames.
It has to be the Sharks. What they already had + Guerin and Rivet = Cup. |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
338 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:07:29
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I agree with you Bablaboushka on that the Sharks did the best job. I guess we will see if it was enough to win the cup.
Go pens |
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1915 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:08:28
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I think the Islanders!!
Smyth!
But Sharks have done pretty well to
~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~ |
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Guest5270
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:09:13
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| i think leafs they got perrault |
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ryschevy1
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:19:26
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All of a sudden the Sharks are the toughest in the west argueably with the most depth in all positions. I was saying that Nashville or Anaheim earlier in the year, but now the Sharks are there too!
GO OIL!!! YA!!! |
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Patchy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:22:15
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i agree, the sharks made all the right moves this year. They're the team to watch now.
~~Go Leafs Go~~ |
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jbraiter
PickupHockey Pro
577 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:33:07
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I didnt vote because i thought canucks did best!
Go Nucks |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 14:39:45
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Kinda anti-climatic since it wasnt quite a deadline deal.. but I
still have to vote for Nashville a la Forsberg. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 15:53:10
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quote:
Originally posted by jbraiter
I didnt vote because i thought canucks did best!
Go Nucks
Why didnt u vote other??
the Canucks, they made a couple solid moves and i think they will do very well
CANUCKS RULE!! |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
338 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 16:40:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Canucks Man
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Originally posted by jbraiter
I didnt vote because i thought canucks did best!
Go Nucks
Why didnt u vote other??
the Canucks, they made a couple solid moves and i think they will do very well
CANUCKS RULE!!
So you guys really believe that the Canucks acquiring Brent Sopel and Bryan Smolinski was better then the Sharks getting Craig Rivet and Bill Guerin?
Go pens |
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Guest4435
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 17:02:23
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| it's gotta be the canucks. everyone is talking about Gary Roberts but Smolinski is just as solid, he has more points this season than roberts and has 100 playoff game expieriece (Roberts has 114 playoff games under his belt). Plus the canucks made smart moves (Rivet for a 1st roundpick???NOT SMART) Look out for the nucks in the playoffs! |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 17:43:34
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| Well first of all they got the 1st-round pick pretty much for free (in my books) and in return they got the veteran experience they needed in a D-man. He will help the youngens in Vlasic, Carle and Ehrhoff become sold D-men and well, you can't really measure that kind of impact. It's certainly more valuable than two mediocre players who really bring nothing to the Canucks. |
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Guest4890
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 18:18:01
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dude the pens of course. adding size in laraque to give malkin and crosby and co more respect out there, ups their goals, and then adding more offensive production with roberts and another blueliner...perfect!
serious cup contenders..
pens! |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 19:52:22
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Pittsburgh? Give me a break.
Laraque and Roberts are far from franchise-changing players. They will both be there to protect Crosby and friends. Roberts will add a few points but Laraque won't. Other than that how are they better contenders? They have no defense and an inconsistent goalie. High scoring will do them fine in the regular season but come playoff time they'll need the defense and they just don't have it. Roberts and Laraque did nothing to help that. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 22:59:34
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You no Laraque only has 7 less points then roberts? and Framer, time will tell on what trades are better its to early to tell
CANUCKS RULE!! |
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Novie
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 05:49:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest5270
i think leafs they got perrault
Yeah, picking up a one-dimensional face-off winner who hasn't been winning draws lately....good call TO.
Go Sens
Crosby is God
Tucker is a douche |
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Novie
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 05:52:56
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Pittsburgh? Give me a break.
Laraque and Roberts are far from franchise-changing players. They will both be there to protect Crosby and friends. Roberts will add a few points but Laraque won't. Other than that how are they better contenders? They have no defense and an inconsistent goalie. High scoring will do them fine in the regular season but come playoff time they'll need the defense and they just don't have it. Roberts and Laraque did nothing to help that.
I was torn on how to comment until I saw your post, Babs...now here's what I can say:
Pittsburgh did the best job filling the holes they needed filled. San Jose needed some help on D, they got Rivet. They don't need scoring help, but got some anyway. Could have turned Guerin right back into the trade market for a Souray/Bouwmeester/Volchenkov type player (yes, I realize all three of them are different types of players, but the Sharks could use any of 'em)
Philly got some much-needed help in net, and a ton of draft picks...let's not forget them!
Go Sens
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Edited by - Novie on 02/28/2007 05:53:34 |
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Guest0905
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 08:11:44
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| I don't care what you say, the Avs still rule! |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 08:57:04
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Originally posted by Guest0905
I don't care what you say, the Avs still rule!
The Avs seriously suck, terrible goaltending+sakic does NOT equal the playoffs
CANUCKS RULE!! |
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 11:26:04
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quote:
Originally posted by bablaboushka
Great poll frames.
It has to be the Sharks. What they already had + Guerin and Rivet = Cup.
The Sharks for sure, but no cup for you! |
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Guest2830
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 11:32:54
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Originally posted by Novie
I was torn on how to comment until I saw your post, Babs...now here's what I can say:
Pittsburgh did the best job filling the holes they needed filled. San Jose needed some help on D, they got Rivet. They don't need scoring help, but got some anyway. Could have turned Guerin right back into the trade market for a Souray/Bouwmeester/Volchenkov type player (yes, I realize all three of them are different types of players, but the Sharks could use any of 'em)
Philly got some much-needed help in net, and a ton of draft picks...let's not forget them!
Perfectly said Novie. Rivet is not a bad pickup...but by no means great for what they gave up (1st rounder). Guerin is not even close to what that team needed. He needed to be turned around and sent off elsewhere. The Sharks don't need help up front. I would say that any team that can have a player like Steve Bernier playing in the minors much of the season probably has enough offense to be safe come playoff time. The only thing Guerin brings is a bit of leadership being a veteran. But I would argue that all Guerin coming to town could do is suggest to Thornton that his leadership is not enough. Guerin does not bring much to the team at even strength, so sure, a help on the powerplay, but who needs help when your PP leads the league.
I say good on Pittsburgh for filling any gaps, as well, good on Detroit for picking up Bertuzzi for what is only conditional picks. That means, if he plays...he'll be well worth the trade, and if he doesn't...then they gave very little up at all. |
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vintage
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 12:25:01
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| i owuldnt say that the detroit redwings will win this year but bertuzzi fittin' in thats a forsure and he will have great chemistry with lang datsyuk and the other great ones |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 12:30:15
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Originally posted by vintage
i owuldnt say that the detroit redwings will win this year but bertuzzi fittin' in thats a forsure and he will have great chemistry with lang datsyuk and the other great ones
Are they all going to go have a great time studying together? hahahaha |
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 14:48:48
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Tough to say. It would certainly seem that San Jose improved the most, but how often has a trade deadline pick up taken a team to the Cup? I'd suggest it happens a lot less than you think. Carolina would have won the Cup last year without Weight and Co. almost assuredly.
Did Ray Bourque win the Cup for Colorado? Hardly. They would have won that if they had stood pat at the deadline day.
Pittsburgh filled some holes very well, but I feel they are a bit too young and inexperienced to go far in the playoffs. A year or two from now, different story, but I'll be surprised if they make it past the first round, and shocked if they get through the second.
Vancouver got the exact help they need, but come on... I am as die hard as they come, and I know that Luongo could almost win the Cup himself, but you can't win it all if you can't score. Sure, "defence wins championships" but only when the offence pots a few.
I've long loathed the Islanders and sincerely doubt (and hope) that they are the first team out of the playoffs. I'd be thrilled if they missed the playoffs entiredly. I'm a big Ryan Smith fan, but he doesn't make up for the Yashin fiasco.
Atlanta looks like they have done what they need to do to finally make the playoffs. As the only current NHL never to have done so, it's about time... but they'll be out about as soon as they make it.
If Nashville had made one more pick up to solidify a team that may be ultra-prone to the injury bug in the next few weeks, I'd say they are the winners. But I suspect a few knees and ankles will be their undoing.
So I guess to answer your poll question, I'd have to say San Jose. But their destiny lies not in the deadline pick ups, but in their leader, Joe Thornton. If he disappears in the playoffs again, then they are going nowhere. |
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Guest4306
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 15:58:00
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| I'd have to go with the Islanders.. although the Pens got a lot better also.. Guerin will be a nice fit in San jose but it won't be enough to take this team deep in the playoffs.. |
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Guest0081
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 16:53:45
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quote:
Originally posted by framer87
Which team made the best trades(s) to solidify themselves as Stanley Cup contenders?
you wouldnt kno hockey if it bit u on the rear,,, obviously the red wings got the best deals,,,, Big Bert (bertuzzi) and kyle calder who scored his first shift and recorded an assist after
Red Wings to the end woooo! |
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Guest0081
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 17:01:26
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Like the guy with the huge reply before said
Pittsburgh-to young
Nashville-not experienced
San Jose-destined (maybe)
Isalnders- no chance
Anaheim- soft in secondary scoring
Detroit- Ultimate Team
New Jersey- great defense
Vancouver could not even manage a playoff spot
Carolina- Same
Calgary-same
Atlanta- cud do damage
minnesota- doesnt stand a chance
Maple leafs suck
Detroit kicks ass
pittsburgh awesome
Nashville start packing for golf |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2007 : 17:51:41
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Originally posted by Guest2830
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Originally posted by Novie
I was torn on how to comment until I saw your post, Babs...now here's what I can say:
Pittsburgh did the best job filling the holes they needed filled. San Jose needed some help on D, they got Rivet. They don't need scoring help, but got some anyway. Could have turned Guerin right back into the trade market for a Souray/Bouwmeester/Volchenkov type player (yes, I realize all three of them are different types of players, but the Sharks could use any of 'em)
Philly got some much-needed help in net, and a ton of draft picks...let's not forget them!
Perfectly said Novie. Rivet is not a bad pickup...but by no means great for what they gave up (1st rounder). Guerin is not even close to what that team needed. He needed to be turned around and sent off elsewhere. The Sharks don't need help up front. I would say that any team that can have a player like Steve Bernier playing in the minors much of the season probably has enough offense to be safe come playoff time. The only thing Guerin brings is a bit of leadership being a veteran. But I would argue that all Guerin coming to town could do is suggest to Thornton that his leadership is not enough. Guerin does not bring much to the team at even strength, so sure, a help on the powerplay, but who needs help when your PP leads the league.
I say good on Pittsburgh for filling any gaps, as well, good on Detroit for picking up Bertuzzi for what is only conditional picks. That means, if he plays...he'll be well worth the trade, and if he doesn't...then they gave very little up at all.
You agree with Novie that SJ needs a Souray-type player but you say that they didn't need to improve their PP? A little contradictory...
San Jose, contrary to what most believe, did fill most (not all, I won't lie) of their holes. Rivet brings the veteran leadership from the back end, which needs all the help it can get when Nabokov is in net. He will help the young defensemen mature and while it would have been nice to have a Cup-winning D, Rivet is the next best thing. They get the Cup experience in Guerin. And I can't stress enough, San Jose got that 1st-rounder to use in a trade and all they had to do was basically pick up Malakhov's salary. It was a genius deal by Wilson and a ridiculously stupid one by NJ.
San Jose does need Guerin, a lot. Sure they do still have the top PP in the league (tied for 1st), but that doesn't mean much. Their PP was well over 26% a couple months ago and it is now at exactly 23%. San Jose's goal production compared to other months has dropped a full goal per-game. While they did need some help on D, which they did get in Rivet, they also needed to boost that scoring again. "The best defense is a good offense", cliche but true. San Jose didn't need Souray who is only good on the PP (seriously lacks defensive skills), and SJ would have had to give up half their team to get either Bouwmeester or Volchenkov. I seriously think that other than getting rid of Nabokov for another solid D-man, SJ did a really good job getting what they needed.
Pittsburgh, on the other hand, did not. They needed defensemen, it was as simple as that, but they didn't get anything. They did need an enforcer, which was good for them to get Laraque. But he won't help them win a Cup, he'll just look out for Crosby when he needs to. Roberts is a decent grinder, but he's just not a turn-your-team-around type of player. |
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oil fan97
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2007 : 20:48:03
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leigh
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Canada
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Posted - 03/01/2007 : 11:50:28
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San Jose definitely improved. Added more depth to an already deep team. Goaltending has been sketchy of late.
Detroit. Wow! Same as San Jose, more depth now. If Bert is healthy (mentally too) then they are the s***.
Yup, Calgary. They don't get enough credit. They have more depth than people think. I guess if you don't watch them much you wouldn't know that. Problem lately is that Kipper has been soft. If he regains his form then I think they are true contenders. They're back at the top of their div again (tied w/ Van). I'm liking their chances.
Of course Nashville and Anaheim are always in the mix. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 03/01/2007 : 12:27:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest0081
Pittsburgh-to young
Nashville-not experienced
San Jose-destined (maybe)
Isalnders- no chance
Anaheim- soft in secondary scoring
Detroit- Ultimate Team
New Jersey- great defense
Vancouver could not even manage a playoff spot
Carolina- Same
Calgary-same
Atlanta- cud do damage
minnesota- doesnt stand a chance
Maple leafs suck
Detroit kicks ass
pittsburgh awesome
Nashville start packing for golf
Buffalo-the big winner |
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wyntyre
Rookie
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Posted - 03/01/2007 : 19:30:31
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I agree with Leigh....Sutter picked up what he thought they needed before the deadline. Granted Conroy going to any other team wouldn't been a big deal...but in Calgary...he will help the effort. Stuart and Primeau add the size they were lacking and the team has depth all the way down to the AHL where they could bring up guys if needed....including goaltending.
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Guest8704
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 14:18:51
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I'd say Calgary given they did the most to address their needs, but it wasn't really at the deadline. if they can get out of their heads that they can't win on the road, they are easily twice the team they took to the finals a few years back.
San Jose did very well, and on the deadline they picked up the best to help them go all the way.
Vancouver did well also in addressing some needs, but in the end, they are the ones that needed Guerin to be a true cup contender.
The best team at and before the deadline was Philly, but obviously the question is cup contenders, so they are eliminated.
Toronto needed a tough scoring power forward, a reliable dman and a goaltender who can be consistent. If Perrault can somehow become Guerin, Rivet and anyone but Raycroft they won hands down heh. Who knows, maybe Perrault can bring Tucker back and magically transform him into Bertuzzi ala Vancouver years, teach McCabe how to play in his own end (or at least make Gill twice as fast) and teach Raycroft not to go down on every shot quicker than a 20 dollar hooker on a Saturday night. Maybe I can walk on water too!
Pittsburgh addressed some glaring needs, but the team is way too young to expect miracles this quickly. Besides, their defense might make Toronto's look competent.
Detroit is Detroit. I am not convinced that their young depth is enough to keep them going through the playoffs, just like it hasn't that last few seasons.
In the end, I suppose the defacto win goes to San Jose or Calgary in my mind. We'll see come playoff time I guess. |
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Guest4964
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 17:24:33
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| nyi got a solid player but i dont think they want to keep him smyth will be back in the west after this year but i think sharks and pitsburg will be a tought team too beat so i think they both did well |
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Guest4174
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Posted - 03/02/2007 : 20:25:07
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| The only reason why the canucks are making the playoffs is this guy named Luongo....ring a bell???? |
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jbraiter
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 10:23:47
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 13:11:45
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| The Islanders made the best trades but are still not in contention for a cup. To me this looks very simple. The final will be Buffalo and San Jose. Buffalo will take it they are solid all around. Anyone can argue that all they want but it's the truth. And I'm not saying that cause I like Buffalo cause I don't, I'm a Leaf fan, but they're done this year. Buffalo will take it. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 13:24:41
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quote:
Originally posted by ED11
The final will be Buffalo and San Jose. Buffalo will take it they are solid all around. Anyone can argue that all they want but it's the truth.
You're the wisest Leafs fan I've ever met! Lol |
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1 Crosby fan
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 14:53:42
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| The Canucks |
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Guest0807
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 21:14:28
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How can getting Roberts who hasn't done anything in a very long time and Laraque who hasn't done anything ever make the pens the best? The nucks got a top 6 forward and a depth d-man two things they needed. Combine that with the best goalie in the game, the Sedins and Naslund whose playing much better and you can't deny that they will be a threat come playoff time.
NUCKS ALL THE WAY |
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