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leafsfan_101
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 Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:32:04
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Cam Janssen is an idiot. His hit on Tomas Kaberle was nothing but a cheap shot and it wasn't nessicary. The thing that bothers me most about this is that he never received a penalty. I hope this Son of a B**** gets suspended and fined from whatever peanut salary he makes.
Long Live Leafs Nation!!
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:33:52
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| Any video of it? |
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:34:49
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| Do you have a link to it? I never saw the game. |
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jbraiter
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:35:56
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| that was a crazy hit and even though i hate the leafs im going to have to agree with you leafsfan |
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leafsfan_101
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jbraiter
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:48:28
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| what a douche |
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Myles06-07
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 09:53:18
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| Well kaberle was backing up so it made a bigger impact and he did crunch into the boards but it was a little late and come on why aim for a guys head they dont have a cage on. Stupid hit. |
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Saku Steen
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 10:07:45
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| What a cheap shot! He should be suspended for sure! |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 10:30:49
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| He DIDN'T get a penalty for that??? Who was officiating that game?! I mean geez I'm not a Leafs fan but that deserved a penalty--they had to bring out a stretcher and wheel him off the ice for crying out loud. I hope Janssen gets suspended. |
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ultimatetitman
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Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 11:05:51
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It was not a cheap hit! Sure, it looked like Janssen hit him from behind, but Kaberle was too busy turning to watch his pass. The announcer nailed it when he said that Kaberle turned and was "lower than usual", so it looked higher than it was probably intended. And it was NOT late. You get 3 seconds or 3 strides, Janssen was following through on his check.
Even if it should have been a penalty, which it shouldn't, the puck had just moved to the neutral zone and you can see the ref looking up ice figuring the play in the Toronto zone was dead. As the announcer in that video said "I don't think anyone was watching it", including the officials. And an official can not call what he did not see.
The injury was terribly unfortunate, but even the announcer said "It wasn't a real late hit... it was one of them borderline plays." There is no way Janssen intended him to smash into the boards like that.
NHL'ers have to stop taking glory in their own plays and realize that there are 220 Lb men out there than might be following up on their checks. Kaberle could have easily avoided that hit, or brushed it off if he had listened to that old adage, "keep your head up".
And if anyone should be suspended, it's Darcy Tucker. Unless you are a dressed player, trainer, or coach, you are not allowed on the bench or in the tunnel to the bench. That is paramount to leaving the bench to join a fight, and Tucker should, by the letter of the law, get 3 games, if not 10.
And fancy that, Leaf fans getting bent all out of shape over a hit to one of their players. You wouldn't be so boisterous if Kerberle did the exact thing to Janssen... in fact their would be a thread in here praising Kaberle! |
Edited by - ultimatetitman on 03/03/2007 11:09:03 |
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willus3
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 11:07:38
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The hit was late. That's not finishing a check. That's a blatant late hit.
He should have received a penalty but the hit itself was not what did the damage. Hitting the boards awkwardly was the problem therefore it doesn't warrant a suspension. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 11:36:31
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
You wouldn't be so boisterous if Kerberle did the exact thing to Janssen... in fact their would be a thread in here praising Kaberle!
I'd be saying something even if Kaberle pulled that off. The only ones praising him would be Leafs fans. |
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Patchy
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Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 11:56:43
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That hit was terribly cheap. Janssen hit him 4 seconds after he passed it off, it was a hit to the head and the real crime was that there was no penalty called on the play. Janssen's lucky that he was benched for the rest of the game, cuz gill or kilger, or anyone would've gone after him. I can't wait till the rematch when tucker's playing. 
Good thing was, the leafs ended up winning the game. Kaberle will be fine in a week or so. (I hope).
~~Go Leafs Go~~ |
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 12:07:02
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Originally posted by Patchy
That hit was terribly cheap. Janssen hit him 4 seconds after he passed it off, it was a hit to the head and the real crime was that there was no penalty called on the play.
Then you are watching a completely different video. Watch the video again and count off the seconds from the time the puck leaves Kaberle's stick to the hit. You won't even make it to 2 seconds. Even in slo-mo you only barely make it to 2 seconds. Janssen did not take another stride towards him, and he did not turn into him, he just finished his check. If Kaberle had not turned, had not bent at the waist, and/or had kept his head up, none of this would have happened.
Check your pathetic Toronto bias at the door and watch it objectively... it was a clean hit. Except in Toronto of course, where hits like that are only clean when dished out by Maple Leaf players.
And Mik, that is exactly what I meant... Toronto fans, and only Toronto fans, would be lauding Kaberle - or any other Maple Leaf - if they had done the exact same thing to Janssen. |
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Novie
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 12:21:11
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I'm tha last one to stick up for any Leafs player or fan, but that hit was definitely nasty. If nothing else, we have to remember that this guy has a family that was likely glued to the set while he laid out on the ice, face down.
Let's not forget the big picture here: Yes, you have 3 strides or 3 seconds to finish a hit, but was it really neccessary?
Go Sens
Crosby is God
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leafsfan_101
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Canada
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 12:43:46
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From TSN.Ca
The NHL has suspended New Jersey Devils tough guy Cam Janssen three games for his hit on Toronto Maple Leafs defenceman Tomas Kaberle.
The Leafs' assists leader was hit in the head by Janssen about two or three seconds after he made a pass in his own end of the ice in the second period of Friday's game. He then fell to the ice and hit his head against the side boards at the Continental Airlines Arena.
Kaberle lay on the ice for a couple of minutes before he sat up. A neck brace was attached before he was placed on a stretcher and wheeled off the ice. He spend the night in a New Jersey hospital, but was released Saturday.
Referees Kelly Sutherland and Brad Watson didn't call a penalty.
It is expected Kaberle will be out at least 1-2 weeks with a head injury.
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Finally,Janssen is getting what he deserves.
Long Live Leafs Nation!! |
Edited by - leafsfan_101 on 03/03/2007 12:44:12 |
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 12:47:31
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Originally posted by Novie
Let's not forget the big picture here: Yes, you have 3 strides or 3 seconds to finish a hit, but was it really neccessary?
Well in that case, is any hit necessary? Maybe we should all watch women's hockey, where checking is prohibited.
Checking is a part of the game, often an integral part of the game. And following through set a tone. It intimidates your opponent, it makes them wonder if they are going to get plastered every time they touch the puck, and it causes them to make mistakes.
You want to look at the big picture? I started playing hockey at 7 years old, and the first lesson I learned was to keep my head up. My hockey career ended when I didn't keep my head up and I was checked into the boards, smashing the unprotected part of my neck onto the top edge of the boards. If I had remembered that first lesson, I might likely be in the AHL right now, but I have no right to complain, because I didn't keep my head up. |
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ultimatetitman
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 12:47:49
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Originally posted by Novie
Let's not forget the big picture here: Yes, you have 3 strides or 3 seconds to finish a hit, but was it really neccessary?
Well in that case, is any hit necessary? Maybe we should all watch women's hockey, where checking is prohibited.
Checking is a part of the game, often an integral part of the game. And following through set a tone. It intimidates your opponent, it makes them wonder if they are going to get plastered every time they touch the puck, and it causes them to make mistakes.
You want to look at the big picture? I started playing hockey at 7 years old, and the first lesson I learned was to keep my head up. My hockey career ended when I didn't keep my head up and I was checked into the boards, smashing the unprotected part of my neck onto the top edge of the boards. If I had remembered that first lesson, I might likely be in the AHL right now, but I have no right to complain, because I didn't keep my head up. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 13:20:20
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
Checking is a part of the game, often an integral part of the game.
But not a differential part? Hahaha (Calculus joke there...a bad one too ) |
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willus3
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 14:13:51
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
Checking is a part of the game, often an integral part of the game.
But not a differential part? Hahaha (Calculus joke there...a bad one too )
Hey take that intelligence somewhere else you. |
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 14:56:21
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Moderator edit:
1421, you are free to express your opinion about hockey but there is no need to insult other members/guests. You may comment on the hit but that shouldn't involve talking down on others who are just trying to add their comments. |
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 15:05:27
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Here's my take:
As per the rules, the hit was not late. Kaberle should have had his head up instead of watching his pass, or at least have been conscious of a rather large player skating towards him. That's his fault... BUT:
Janssen's hit was dirty in the sense that he clearly hit Kaberle with a flying elbow. Also, Janssen should have been able to recognize that Kaberle was in what we call the "Danger Zone" which is just a few feet away from the boards and while a clean bodycheck may still cause an injury if a player crashes into the boards, Janssen hit Kaberle with his elbow, which automatically makes it extremely dangerous. I'm not saying Janssen shouldn't finish his check, which is what he did, but he finished his "elbow" instead. I think the 3 games is fair because his hit was dangerous.
I don't want to give the impression that I'm against players finishing their checks, but you don't hit a guy with your elbow to his head. |
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1 Crosby fan
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 15:18:37
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| No srry what i mean isn't that kinda simaler because the both either passed the puck or dumped it and they both had there head down |
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guinman
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 20:01:45
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| The hit was pretty late and a bit cheap. Was it outside the rules? Kaberle wasn't paying attention. I guess Janssen getting 3 games suggests that it is. That shouldn't matter one bit to the rest of Leafs. That play warranted an instant physical response from Toronto. What a bunch of gutless pukes for not coming to the aid of Kaberle. It doesn't matter what the score is or how important the game is, a hit like that on your best defensman must be answered swiftly and violently. Where we're the chicken $hit Leafs? That truly was the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. The leafs showed their true colours by not responding to that disgusting play. What a bunch of cowards. I love the excuses made after the game by the players and Maurice who only wanted to focus on the importance of the win.....what a joke! Discipline is paramount and important. A Cheap shot hit on argueably your best player is intolerable and demands instant retaliation in ANY circumstance. The Leafs should be made to wear skirts the rest of the year. Wow!, just......WOW!!! |
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Buddyno2000
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Posted - 03/03/2007 : 20:03:00
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Its not about where or how hard did he hit him ( well ya its was kinda nasty but..) the big point about that was that it was a LATE HIT thats whats is pissing me off right now and Jannson only got 3 games for that c'mon, intentto injured should be much more than that. even the Leafs haters say it was a bad hit..
Go Leafs Go by the way |
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Guest9686
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Posted - 03/04/2007 : 09:16:00
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I've been a Leaf fan all my life and I have to say, I didn't see that as a brutal, or even very dirty hit. It was border line late I'll admit that, but I didn't see any way that Jansen was headhunting, as others have said Kaberle was bent low and so took the hit to the head. I also believe it was his fall into the boards that knocked him out, not the hit itself. It was unfortunate to see Kaberle hurt, but these are big men moving at high speeds and sadly sometimes injuries occur. Some people are blowing this way out of proportion - this wasn't a case of deliberate attempt to injure, it was a case of a physical player finishing his check. It was a little late maybe, and he was suspended three games for it; that's more than an adequate suspension in my books.
As for the statement that Janssen is lucky Kilger or Gill didn't get a hold of him, I have to disagree. Janssen is a fighter and a pretty good one, and neither Gill nor Kilger are, I don't think either would have fared very well in a bout with Janssen. But that's a moot point anyway, because no Leaf showed the slightest inclination to go after him. The only Leaf player to show any backbone was Darcy Tucker, who wasn't even dressed. That's pretty sad when the only one to respond to one of your team's top players being hurt, is a guy out of the lineup rehabing an injury. |
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wyntyre
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 13:30:51
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It was pretty late...but Tomas should know better than to admire his pass
Can't go...The Roads Are Dirty |
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jbraiter
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 13:36:34
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pucker
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 13:43:49
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
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Originally posted by Patchy
That hit was terribly cheap. Janssen hit him 4 seconds after he passed it off, it was a hit to the head and the real crime was that there was no penalty called on the play.
Then you are watching a completely different video. Watch the video again and count off the seconds from the time the puck leaves Kaberle's stick to the hit. You won't even make it to 2 seconds. Even in slo-mo you only barely make it to 2 seconds. Janssen did not take another stride towards him, and he did not turn into him, he just finished his check. If Kaberle had not turned, had not bent at the waist, and/or had kept his head up, none of this would have happened.
Check your pathetic Toronto bias at the door and watch it objectively... it was a clean hit. Except in Toronto of course, where hits like that are only clean when dished out by Maple Leaf players.
And Mik, that is exactly what I meant... Toronto fans, and only Toronto fans, would be lauding Kaberle - or any other Maple Leaf - if they had done the exact same thing to Janssen.
I timed it with an online stop watch and got about 1.2 seconds. That is really not that late. I heard that the hit on Drury that put him out was less than half a second late. The difference with this one, Janssen could have let up. It was totally unneccessary and the three games he got is a bit lenient in my eyes. Players lack respect for one another and here is another example. |
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ultimatetitman
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 14:07:15
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Ok, gotta agree with Guinman and disagree with Babs.
The Toronto players were a bunch of gutless pukes for not doing anything. Mind you, as 9686 said, they likely would have gotten their clocks cleaned if they had tried.
Babs, it seems to me he hit him clean with his shoulder. But at that angle it is hard to tell.
The bottom line is, if this was done to anyone other than a Maple Leaf, it wouldn't be news. And if a Maple Leaf did it, there is no chance there would have been any kind of suspension.
3 games is a joke!
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 14:14:53
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
Ok, gotta agree with Guinman and disagree with Babs.
The Toronto players were a bunch of gutless pukes for not doing anything. Mind you, as 9686 said, they likely would have gotten their clocks cleaned if they had tried.
Babs, it seems to me he hit him clean with his shoulder. But at that angle it is hard to tell.
The bottom line is, if this was done to anyone other than a Maple Leaf, it wouldn't be news. And if a Maple Leaf did it, there is no chance there would have been any kind of suspension.
3 games is a joke!
Gutless pukes for not doing anything? If it was a clean hit, then there would be no need for retribution right? You are confusing me.
I still think 3 is not enough, but I agree that the Leafs should be ashamed for not defending Kaberle. This is how the situation should have been dealt with:
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 14:30:01
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Apparently we all have different definitions of late.
Relative to other hits, this one was late. We have this tendency to think of finishing a check as basically one extra stride, two max. So when someone takes two or three, it's always a "late" hit. Like people who say that Neil's hit on Drury was late. It wasn't late at all, but because Neil took a little longer than usual, it's automatically classified by people as "late".
According to the rules, the hit was not late, although borderline. I teach my Atom team, who doesn't even play with hitting yet, that one of the most important things you can do while on the ice is to keep your head up. You can look for passes, examine the ice and see where other players are. So what was Kaberle doing? He was watching his pass, which is already a recipe for disaster, and in the process didn't see a 6-foot 200+ pound man skating towards him at a pretty good speed. I still maintain that Janssen hit him with an elbow, which was what I thought was dirty, but Kaberle had the hit coming.
I think the reason no Leafs went to retaliate was because no one saw what happened, added to the fact that I'm sure Maurice told them not to do anything. Also, Tucker wasn't in the lineup and he would have been the one to do something about it. I know some people think that if one of your top players gets hurt from a hit you hunt down the guy who checked him but I don't believe in that when it's clean. Superstars are players too, and they're fair grounds for getting hit. BUT, even though this play was not clean, none of the Leafs saw what happened until after the game and I'm sure that now that Tucker is back, there will be some retribution on March 20th.
6916, YOU are confusing ME. If clean hits shouldn't be violently retaliated then why are you suggesting that they be reacted to the same way as Souray did on Armstrong? Armstrong's hit on Koivu was 100% clean so there was no reason for Souray to attack Armstrong from behind and whale on him like he did. |
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leigh
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 14:50:18
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| I'm pretty confident that the hit was late. That would explain why the refs didn't see it, they were following the play up the ice because there SHOULD have been nothing to see back there. I'm not sure where this 3 second rule that some of you are talking about came from, but I've never heard of it and 3 seconds is rediculously long. You are right though, from what I can see it's about 2 seconds from the pass to the Jansen hit....still too long. As for the hit to the head, watching the video I don't think that it was intentional. |
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admin
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 15:16:01
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6916, YOU are confusing ME. If clean hits shouldn't be violently retaliated then why are you suggesting that they be reacted to the same way as Souray did on Armstrong? Armstrong's hit on Koivu was 100% clean so there was no reason for Souray to attack Armstrong from behind and whale on him like he did.
So I contradicted myself...
All im saying is that I would be proud to have a guy like Souray on my team. Whether or not the Koivu hit was dirty is irrelevant. If someone runs your best player you kick his ass. Its that simple.
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bablaboushka
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 15:26:05
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YOU ARE 6916?????????????? Wow. I found it weird that you always had so much to say but never registered, but now it makes sense... Anyways...
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Originally posted by admin
If someone runs your best player you kick his ass. Its that simple.
I don't completely agree with your statement. If someone runs a team's best player, I find it logical and acceptable they would want to get even with him. What I DON'T agree with is someone (Souray) jumping on someone's back and whaling on him because that could be extremely dangerous (just ask Steve Moore). If Souray wants to get even, then fight him from the front, or nail him back, but don't resort to being a p**** and attacking someone from behind.
And Leigh I don't think it matters if a hit to the head is intentional, it's a hit to the head. If you knock a guy like Kaberle out for months because of post-concussion syndrome or something (just talking hypothetically), do you just say "Sorry I didn't mean to?". You are responsible for your body and your stick while you're on the ice and are accountable for any damages either does to anyone, whether it's intentional or not. |
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ryschevy1
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Posted - 03/06/2007 : 15:26:48
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I think the league handled it appropriatly. Three games is good because there is still the question of whether it was late or not, or if Kaberle wasn't admiring his pass if it wouldv'e even happened at all. Like Grapes always says to the kids " keep your head up"
GO OIL!!! YA!!! |
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ultimatetitman
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 13:30:11
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Now you are confusing me. First youy say:
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Originally posted by Guest6916
Gutless pukes for not doing anything? If it was a clean hit, then there would be no need for retribution right? You are confusing me.
The you say:
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If someone runs your best player you kick his ass. Its that simple.
Which is it? For the record, I am old school, and I agree with the second statement. Whether it was clean of not, if you take out one of a team's top players, I feel that team should take you out. It's all about "the message".
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ED11
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 14:10:51
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Originally posted by ultimatetitman
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Originally posted by Patchy
That hit was terribly cheap. Janssen hit him 4 seconds after he passed it off, it was a hit to the head and the real crime was that there was no penalty called on the play.
Then you are watching a completely different video. Watch the video again and count off the seconds from the time the puck leaves Kaberle's stick to the hit. You won't even make it to 2 seconds. Even in slo-mo you only barely make it to 2 seconds. Janssen did not take another stride towards him, and he did not turn into him, he just finished his check. If Kaberle had not turned, had not bent at the waist, and/or had kept his head up, none of this would have happened.
Check your pathetic Toronto bias at the door and watch it objectively... it was a clean hit. Except in Toronto of course, where hits like that are only clean when dished out by Maple Leaf players.
And Mik, that is exactly what I meant... Toronto fans, and only Toronto fans, would be lauding Kaberle - or any other Maple Leaf - if they had done the exact same thing to Janssen.
WOW dude, do you even watch hockey? Cause you can't be serious about what you said! He jumped at Kaberle!!! How is that a good hit???? Not to mention the elbow. Have you played hockey? What Cam did IS NOT finishing a hit. It's head hunting!! |
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ED11
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 14:14:31
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| For all the people that think that that hit was accpetable in anyway: you know whats funny? If that hit was made on the best player of the team you cheer for you would be saying the complete opposite |
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