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Guest4626
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 Posted - 05/17/2011 : 07:01:26
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So ah I wana Know Who you guys think is the Leading player for the CS trophy... Me myself has to be Rolasonnnnnnnnnnnnn By a long shot Guy is Playing awesome in Tampa......
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 11:20:14
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Boringgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg...
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 11:32:12
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LOL.....almost did that myself FER! |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 16:42:53
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Ahh i'll bite...hard to really say yet, as it will just depend on who wins the Cup (or at least makes the finals). For me there are 5 leading canidates right now:
Tamp Bay: Dwayne Roloson & Vincent Lecavalier
Boston: Tim Thomas
San Jose: Joe Thornton
Vancouver: Ryan Kesler |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 17:07:45
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| I'd have to agree that if it were handed out today, it'd likely be Roloson over Kesler not just due to some nice numbers but for the fact he's doing it on a 5 seed, rather than the overall favorite going in. Lots of hockey left yet before this is decided. |
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Kirby
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 19:10:11
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How about Bergenheim? He at least deserves an honourable mention. That guy is doing what Pisani did in 06
A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be. -Wayne Gretzky |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 20:18:03
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| its quite possible that we haven't seen the conn smythe trophy winning performance yet. If a player were to own the finals, in the same way that Kesler owned round 2, we'd probably have another player on the list. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/17/2011 : 23:22:34
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Originally posted by nuxfan
its quite possible that we haven't seen the conn smythe trophy winning performance yet. If a player were to own the finals, in the same way that Kesler owned round 2, we'd probably have another player on the list.
True, but in defence of the question, it does say who's leading which to me implies, who'd win if they had to award it today? |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 09:11:39
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I think I get the first two comments about this posting. ("Boringggg....") Is this because Guest4626 so quickly quashed the posting about the Thrashers moving to Winnipeg as boring?
While both subject matters are a bit premature, I don't mind hockey discussions ahead of time. (And if I think a subject matter is boring, I don't have to participate in the discussion after all.)
Sure, things could dramatically change with Conn Smythe candidates, but to acknowledge who's currently leading is fine by me. I will say this though – the award is heavily tilted toward who performs best in the final round. A player could score 25 goals (or get 50 points) in the first three rounds, but if his team doesn't make it to the finals, he's not going to win the Conn Smythe. (And the same thing if a player tanks in the final round, even with a terrific performance in the first three rounds.) Can anyone remember someone winning the Conn Smythe who did not have a stellar round four performance?
Getting back to Winnipeg, I'm excited about the rumours (and prospects) of a team returning there. A comment was made in another thread stating "who care, this is old news," but the news about Atlanta moving to Winnipeg is fairly new. Sure, the rumours about a team from Atlanta (or Phoenix) moving have been around for awhile, but it's starting to look possible now.
I have no attachment to Winnipeg, but I would really like to see a team there. The fans deserve it, but more importantly, I believe the city can support a team better than a few of the struggling US cities with teams. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 09:17:20
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Can anyone remember someone winning the Conn Smythe who did not have a stellar round four performance?
Jonathan Toews, last year. |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 09:31:14
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Agreed Nuxfan! I originally forgot about Toew's "ordinary" performance in round four. But he only tallied 3 points in 6 games. His 29 points in 22 games though helped earn him the Conn Smythe. (And one must also consider other ways a player contributes, separate and apart from points.)
This adds merit to any discussion about Conn Smythe candidates as early as the 3rd round then.
I still wonder though. How often does it happen where a player wins the Conn Smythe with great numbers (or performance) in the first three rounds, and an ordinary performance in round 4? |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 09:36:37
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I agree Guest4178, and it would be remiss of myself not to respond on topic, since I had the time to post what was, as you surmised, my initial smarta** reply.
The problem I have with even trying to decide who would be potentially the Conn Smythe winner, is that as others and yourself alluded to, it's just too early to have that kind of discussion yet. There have been some standouts from every team.
I agree Roloson has been fantastic for Tampa, but from the few games I have seen, the same could probably be said for 4 or 5 of the Tampa players who are looking great.
Thomas, the same, but Seguin has only played his first game in the playoffs, and what a game it was!
Kesler has been excellent both sides of the puck, and Thornton is playing like he actually wants to win for a change in the playoffs.
Too early to even make fair comparisons to date, much less who will be there at the end. |
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Guest4312
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Posted - 05/18/2011 : 11:31:59
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| kesler or thomas |
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Guest2773
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Posted - 05/28/2011 : 07:41:19
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| Nathan Horton. After a average regular season what a playoffs he is having. 3 game winning goals 2 in overtime and 2 in a game 7. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/28/2011 : 11:14:33
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If VAN wins, I think it will be one of Bieksa, Kesler, or Hank.
Bieksa has now entered the fray, he had a monster series vs SJ with 4 goals in 5 games, including the critical GWG in the OT, and is playing a great physical game as well.
Kesler has been great all playoffs long. His performance vs NSH still stands out, but he was also very good against Thornton in the 3rd round.
And one can't overlook Hank, who had 12 points in 5 games vs SJ and now leads all players in scoring in the playoffs. If he keeps up that pace he might take it.
If BOS wins, I think Horton, Krejci, or Thomas. Horton and Krejci have provided the bulk of the scoring for BOS, including all those critical winners for Horton. But if BOS wins the finals it will probably be because Thomas stood on his head and played the lights out. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/28/2011 : 12:03:37
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Bieksa's been a force! BUT, i don't think he has a great chance at the Conn Smythe, unless he puts in another 4 or 5 key goals which is not likely. I say it's between Hank and Kes, depending on who has the more impact in this series, and my guess is Kes. I have a funny feeling, Mr. Chara will be able to slow Hank down at least during 5 on 5 hockey. That reach, stick, etc, will hamper the Sedin's cycle a little bit.
If Boston wins, i have to agree with the consensus. Horton, Krejci or Thomas, but i'd lean toward Thomas because i think he needs to have one heckuva series for the B's to win. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/28/2011 : 19:27:30
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Horton has been a very quite assassin. Keys goals is all that guys scores. Just like Bieksa has for Vancouver. Talk about a guy who is getting a huge raise next year!! Luongo was brilliant against SJ and Thomas has been a rock all the way though. There is no shortage of candidates.
I gotta say that Kesler would be my pick. He has been the best player on the ice in most of the games Vancouver has played. That doesn't mean just offensively, but defensively too! Talk about a lead by example guy. He has done everything his team has needed when they needed him to.
I don't believe that Vancouver gets past Chicago let alone Nashville without Kesler. He was not as amazing against SJ but still there.
Kesler wins. Now forgive me while I go throw up..... |
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Guest4420
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Posted - 05/28/2011 : 19:53:33
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| what about loungo he's going to win or tim |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 08:42:35
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I say Kesler or Horton
Horton scored many game winners including the game 7 game winner vs Montreal in ot and the game 7 winner vs Tampa Bay.
He scored another ot winner vs Montreal. |
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Guest5369
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 11:11:39
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Originally posted by Beans15
Horton has been a very quite assassin. Keys goals is all that guys scores. Just like Bieksa has for Vancouver. Talk about a guy who is getting a huge raise next year!! Luongo was brilliant against SJ and Thomas has been a rock all the way though. There is no shortage of candidates.
I gotta say that Kesler would be my pick. He has been the best player on the ice in most of the games Vancouver has played. That doesn't mean just offensively, but defensively too! Talk about a lead by example guy. He has done everything his team has needed when they needed him to.
I don't believe that Vancouver gets past Chicago let alone Nashville without Kesler. He was not as amazing against SJ but still there.
Kesler wins. Now forgive me while I go throw up.....
Thomas a rock??? did yoy watch the tampa series... |
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 15:03:06
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For Vancouver H. Sedin, Kesler, or Bieska. For Boston Horton, Krejci, or Bergeron.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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onecup
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 21:40:14
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For Vancouver its gotta be Kesler.
Sedins only job is to score and he wasn't doing it in the early rounds so there were questions being asked. MVP does't get asked those questions.
Bieksa has been good...even very good...but he's not the main reason the Canucks are in the final. Had to get to overtime for him to have his moment to shine.
Kesler does two jobs as the shut down guy or the scoring guy so even though his points weren't there early on everyone was raving about the job he did in the Chicago series. He is also turning out to be the "heart" guy. Although Manny coming back will provide another inspirational rallying point it won't lessen the impact of Kesler's one legged goal with 13 seconds left in game five.
Don't wanna mention Luongo 'cause of the Chicago series and other bad goals. (Stay in the frickin' net Lou!)
Boston isn't where they are without T.T. (See highlight reel.)
The harder you pull the trigger, the farther the bullet goes... |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 21:45:40
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Originally posted by onecup
For Vancouver its gotta be Kesler.
Sedins only job is to score and he wasn't doing it in the early rounds so there were questions being asked. MVP does't get asked those questions.
Bieksa has been good...even very good...but he's not the main reason the Canucks are in the final. Had to get to overtime for him to have his moment to shine.
Kesler does two jobs as the shut down guy or the scoring guy so even though his points weren't there early on everyone was raving about the job he did in the Chicago series. He is also turning out to be the "heart" guy. Although Manny coming back will provide another inspirational rallying point it won't lessen the impact of Kesler's one legged goal with 13 seconds left in game five.
Don't wanna mention Luongo 'cause of the Chicago series and other bad goals. (Stay in the frickin' net Lou!)
Boston isn't where they are without T.T. (See highlight reel.)
The harder you pull the trigger, the farther the bullet goes...
As for Thomas see highlight reel yeah sure ,, then take the time to watch how shakey he was in the tampa series and the boatload of soft goals he let in and he is out without an extremly solid showing in the final.. he was very inconsistent and at times bad in the Tampa series.. thats not to say he wasn;t amazing aswell but he was not the reason Boston go by Tampa ,, maybe in game 7 but it wouldn't have gone that far if not for a couple poor outings by TT
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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MrBoogedy
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 22:05:50
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I think it'll be Kesler. Damn I hate that guy, but he is good...
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 22:47:48
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by onecup
For Vancouver its gotta be Kesler.
Sedins only job is to score and he wasn't doing it in the early rounds so there were questions being asked. MVP does't get asked those questions.
Bieksa has been good...even very good...but he's not the main reason the Canucks are in the final. Had to get to overtime for him to have his moment to shine.
Kesler does two jobs as the shut down guy or the scoring guy so even though his points weren't there early on everyone was raving about the job he did in the Chicago series. He is also turning out to be the "heart" guy. Although Manny coming back will provide another inspirational rallying point it won't lessen the impact of Kesler's one legged goal with 13 seconds left in game five.
Don't wanna mention Luongo 'cause of the Chicago series and other bad goals. (Stay in the frickin' net Lou!)
Boston isn't where they are without T.T. (See highlight reel.)
The harder you pull the trigger, the farther the bullet goes...
As for Thomas see highlight reel yeah sure ,, then take the time to watch how shakey he was in the tampa series and the boatload of soft goals he let in and he is out without an extremly solid showing in the final.. he was very inconsistent and at times bad in the Tampa series.. thats not to say he wasn;t amazing aswell but he was not the reason Boston go by Tampa ,, maybe in game 7 but it wouldn't have gone that far if not for a couple poor outings by TT
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Pasty7
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Posted - 05/30/2011 : 03:41:43
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by onecup
For Vancouver its gotta be Kesler.
Sedins only job is to score and he wasn't doing it in the early rounds so there were questions being asked. MVP does't get asked those questions.
Bieksa has been good...even very good...but he's not the main reason the Canucks are in the final. Had to get to overtime for him to have his moment to shine.
Kesler does two jobs as the shut down guy or the scoring guy so even though his points weren't there early on everyone was raving about the job he did in the Chicago series. He is also turning out to be the "heart" guy. Although Manny coming back will provide another inspirational rallying point it won't lessen the impact of Kesler's one legged goal with 13 seconds left in game five.
Don't wanna mention Luongo 'cause of the Chicago series and other bad goals. (Stay in the frickin' net Lou!)
Boston isn't where they are without T.T. (See highlight reel.)
The harder you pull the trigger, the farther the bullet goes...
As for Thomas see highlight reel yeah sure ,, then take the time to watch how shakey he was in the tampa series and the boatload of soft goals he let in and he is out without an extremly solid showing in the final.. he was very inconsistent and at times bad in the Tampa series.. thats not to say he wasn;t amazing aswell but he was not the reason Boston go by Tampa ,, maybe in game 7 but it wouldn't have gone that far if not for a couple poor outings by TT
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
How dare you talk down about a Bruin with that avatar!!!
Well they re still my team and all  i'm so glad they knocked out the habs  and i do not sport this avatar for any reason othern than the Bruins are my team  lol
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Posted - 05/30/2011 : 04:49:06
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Right now, it'd have to be Kesler for me, then Bieksa, then Henrick Sedin for Vancouver.
For Boston, I'd say Bergeron, then Horton . . . past that, I can't really pick anyone else.
Kesler gets a point a game in the finals or close enough without the other two Canucks mentioned getting a tonne of points, he takes it.
For Bieksa to win, he'd have to have a very good series, and Kesler would have to be just average. As a defenceman, there is clearly a disadvantage in terms of getting the trophy, as it has been based on points rather than defence more often than not . . . but he has been awesome this playoffs.
Henrik would have to outscore Kesler by about 3 or 4 points to win. I see this as less likely, actually, as Boston's first defensive pairing I think matches up decently well with the Sedin line, and I see them getting mostly power play points.
For Boston, if they manage to pull off the "upset" and win . . . it'll be whoever had the better series - Bergeron and Horton, and my vote would be Bergeron. He has had a stellar playoffs, and is the difference maker for Boston.
I am guessing it'll be Kesler though.
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crichards
Top Prospect
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Posted - 05/30/2011 : 22:34:24
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Posted - 05/31/2011 : 05:20:16
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Chara - no.
But I totally forgot about Krejci, who could actually win it. He has something like 10 goals right now, and if he has a big series and the Bruins pull off the upset, could be his.
Don't see it happening myself, but it's possible.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 05/31/2011 : 10:03:27
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If Kesler has a good enough series and it goes long enough, I think he could win the Conn Smythe even if VAN loses the cup. When was the last time a trophy winner was chosen from a team that didn't win the cup?
EDIT: It was 02/03, when JS Giguere won despite the Ducks losing in 7 games to DET. |
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ginks40
Top Prospect
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Posted - 05/31/2011 : 11:01:28
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Actually, the Ducks lost in 7 games to New Jersey that year. Detroit won the cup the year before. In their path to the cup, the Ducks swept Detroit in the opening round of the 02-03 playoffs.
If a player from the losing team wins the Conn Smythe, it has typically been a goalie. I don't think I missed any but it seems that it has only happened five times since 64-65 when the trophy was first awared (I think) and they were all goalies except one.
Roger Crozier - 65/66 (goalie)
Glenn Hall - 67/68 (goalie)
Reggie Leach - 75/76 (forward)
Ron Hextall - 86/87 (goalie)
JS Giguere - 02/03 (goalie)
I agree that a case could be made for Kesler, whether the 'nucks win the cup or not but history is not on his side. Not to mention, I think there are several Bruins that would be deserving should they hoist the Cup. Krejci, Horton, Bergeron.
I think for a goalie to win it they would need to do one of two things, either propel their team through each round of the playoffs, which neither goalie has really done, IMO or really stand on their head in the Cup Finals (which remains to be seen).
In conclusion, based on performance to date in these playoffs, I would pick:
If VAN wins...Kesler
If BOS wins...Krejci or Horton
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 00:29:55
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| well, at this point in the finals, I think that the Conn Smythe will go to Thomas, no matter who wins the cup. He has been amazing in every game he's played, and despite being down 3-2, he has only allowed 6 goals in 5 games and kept one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL at bay. |
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 09:48:42
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Witht he way this finals has gone . . . I agree, might be Thomas for the Conn Smyth.
If, however, Burrows gets another O/T winner (or has a big game) . . . could be him. Even then it would be tough though, nah . . . it'll be Thomas, no matter if the Bruins win or lose.
I frankly didn't see that coming, but he's earned it.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 10:07:55
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I think the only Canucks that could still salvage the Conn Smythe at this point would be Kesler (he'd have to basically own game 6 in every capacity) or Luongo (he'd have to post another shutout to do it). But IMO they are longshots at this point.
Thomas has played every game, win or lose, extraordinarly well. He has been extremely hard to score on, has made fantastic saves regularly. Its not like the Canucks haven't had multiple chances each game, they're getting 30+ shots and many of them are quality ones - but he just keeps shutting the door. All 3 losses in this final for the Bruins have been one-goal losses, and 2 of them were 1-0.
Had Luongo not been absolutely brutal in those 2 games in BOS, and allowed say 3 goals instead of 12, it might be different. Win or lose, Thomas has been one of the best players on the ice every game. |
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Oilearl
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 10:55:11
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Lou has 4 shutouts 2 in the final series stole a huge game 5 to get the team back on track! I think he is worthy for consideration. Thomas has been simply better tho and reminds me a bit of when Hextall won it!!
Either choice is a good selection IMO. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/11/2011 : 11:46:03
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Lou has 4 shutouts 2 in the final series stole a huge game 5 to get the team back on track! I think he is worthy for consideration. Thomas has been simply better tho and reminds me a bit of when Hextall won it!!
He is worthy for consideration for sure, last night was an awesome comeback game for him and the team - the second time he's answered the bell this playoffs in pivotal games after meltdowns. Given the railroading he got after the two BOS games in the press, and given the pressure he faces all the time in this city, its quite a remarkable feat. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 15:23:13
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I'm not sure if he's a shoo-in to win it. It's ironic though that if he does, it's more to do with no Canuck stepping up thus far in the finals to make a statement. The goalies who've won it on losing teams, from what i recall, were stellar throughout the playoffs, not just the finals. I'm not saying TT played poorly in the other rounds, but he did give up 5 goals to Tampa in 4 of the 7 games!
I could still see Kesler winning it but he might need to do something special in the next game (or game 7 if necessary) to claim it! |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 18:10:32
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I'm not sure if he's a shoo-in to win it. It's ironic though that if he does, it's more to do with no Canuck stepping up thus far in the finals to make a statement.
Yeah, thats most of it - no one Canuck has dominated in any of their wins except for Luongo, but those 2 games in Boston make it hard to give it to him over an exceptional Tim Thomas.
I know its over the entire post season, but the way Thomas has kept his team in every game this round - despite being down now 3-2 - has been remarkable. Even if Luongo wins it tomorrow night with a shutout, I think Thomas is still the favourite. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/13/2011 : 07:45:16
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Think of how much more difficult this will be as a decision if Thomas loses either tonight or Wed by a lopsided score . . . with a couple of softies getting let in. Then you might as well pick from a hat - Luongo, Thomas, Kesler, Daniel Sedin, Burrows . . .
However, that's not very likely. If it's a low scoring game tonight and very close, even if the Canucks win, it'll be Thomas, IMHO. If the Bruins win and it goes to game 7, no matter what I think Thomas wins (if not for some incredible heroics by Kesler or Burrows or Daniel Sedin, perhaps).
And if the Bruins manage to win two straight, you don't have anything to think about, it's Thomas.
So, being the betting man I am, I'd give Thomas a 78% chance of winning the Conn Smyth at this time. 
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Guest9215
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 08:11:35
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| This is one trophy that is not up for grabs. After tonites game you will be seeing Thomas holding the Conn Smythe trophy along with the Stanley Cup. |
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