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Shepsky
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  04:56:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe I am the only one who thinks that Ron Wilson really might not be a great coach. The team as a whole, does not play consistently, as sometimes they look like a dangerous team, and others they look like pushovers. See the start of the season, compared to now, and right now they are playing with an overall healthy team. Also their lackluster effort in third periods, and inability to hold leads, to me says that they could use a coaching change. Someone who can get a little more from his players. Another thing, we are approaching trade deadline and it is still uncertain who is the number one goalie in Toronto, even though Reimer hasn't played the same since his "not a concussion" I think he is the better goale, though that may be a seperate discussion altogether. You need to focus on ONE goalie, and get his confidence and level of play elevated. Otherwise you get two goalies, both playing shaky, unsure if they will even play the next game. I know that Burke and Wilson are old college buddies/linemates but is that really worth flushing away a team, and most likely sitting on the outside of the playoff circle by the end of the year. Thanks Burke

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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  06:23:03  Reply with Quote
No kidding really And leaf Nation have this Pin head for another 3 yr's .. wilson Sucks...
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  06:57:20  Reply with Quote
I Cant help but to remmember how every leafs fans were claiming that the leaf would be in the series because of how great Reimer was LOOOL!!! Cant believe they thought he was that good...

Leafs out of the playoff... well hope so!
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  07:03:11  Reply with Quote
My point about Ron Wilson, all along, has been: What has the guy won? Everyone keeps saying he's a great coach. Based on what? His multiple Stanley Cup rings? Oh that's right...he doesn't have multiple Cup Rings. I don't get it. If he was a great guy like...okay there are no NHL coaches who are "great guys" (maybe Ted Nolan was). So let's just leave it at I just don't get why everyone thinks Wilson is good.
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  07:21:18  Reply with Quote
Nobody, especially Leafs media and fans, was talking like this early on in the season when Leafs were on top of the world.
Suddenly, when the season is on the line, and other teams get going, and when the "second" season is inching closer... the Leafs struggle... and the coach is no longer any good...?
It's the same coach Leafs media and fans were drooling over when Leafs were on top... AND when Burke had a team that other teams were supposed to be afraid of....
Are things going "bad" with Wilson OR were things "never really good" with Wilson (as in "over-rated") ???
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mandree888
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  07:26:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i hear ya shepsky i have never been a fan of wilson. i dont know why he was resigned. i dont understand how you can resign a guy who has the worst defensive(defencive?) system in the league. granted right now the pk is loads better...... but that is offset because the leafs are not taking as many penalties. everyone in the nhl says they can teach defence but not offence and yet the leafs are one of the worst defensive(defencive?) teams in the NHL despite having some great names on defence. i can see resigning him if he makes the playoffs but seriously i would have like rob carlyle from the ducks who also has ties to burke as the head coach in TOR. i personally think that a head coaching change in TOR is needed.
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  08:41:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What happened Leaf fans, got tired of flogging the goaltender as the scapegoat so you moved to the coach??

What has Ron Wilson won?? The 1996 World Hockey Championship and Olympic Silver Medal. Also, the 6th most games in NHL history and 3rd among active coaches. Before you jump on this "How many Stanley Cup rings does he have," bandwagon you might want to stop and ask yourself how many current NHL head coaches have a Stanley Cup ring as a head coach??? I can count 7 (Julien, Quinville, Babcock, Tortorella, Laviolette, Bylsma, and Hitchcock). And the question of multiple Cup rings?? I think there is only one guy on that list who has more than one as a head coach as far as I know.


Ask yourself this:

1 - Are there any coaches out there today better than Wilson who are looking for a job??

2 - Can you honestly say that another coach would have/could have done better with the teams that Wilson has had??

Personally, my answer to both questions is no. I don't think there is a better coach who is currently unemployed and I think that Wilson has done everything he could have done with the talent he has. Prior to this season the Leafs were simply not good enough to be a playoff team. This season, they are a borderline playoff team.

I am not saying that Wilson is the best coach in the NHL or even in that elite level of coaches like Babcock, Hitchcock, or Trotz(who does not have a Cup ring but is the best coach in the NHL today). However, Wilson is an above average coach who meets the expectation of the talent he has to utilized. What more do you want??
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mandree888
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  09:03:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have never been a fan of wilson. i dont know why i just dont like his style of coaching i dont like his system. Personally I would like pat quinn back if i had the choice or carlyle like said in the other post. there is something about wilson that erks me. i dont know if its cause the players give up on him or what but something needs to change and lets face it Beans the coaching is just one of the problems with the leafs. goaltending is another! riemer may be the next good goalie the leafs get but he isnt finding his groove. who knows that may be because wilson isn;t giving him enoungh starts to get his confidence back i dont know i am not on the leafs. lol but something needs to be done what more do leafs fans want. a legit chance at a cup. not just in the playoffs. me, i know its takes time to rebuild i am being patient i just like to state what i think( my opinion) of what the teams needs at this present time.

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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  09:26:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandree888

i have never been a fan of wilson. i dont know why i just dont like his style of coaching i dont like his system. Personally I would like pat quinn back if i had the choice or carlyle like said in the other post. there is something about wilson that erks me. i dont know if its cause the players give up on him or what but something needs to change and lets face it Beans the coaching is just one of the problems with the leafs. goaltending is another! riemer may be the next good goalie the leafs get but he isnt finding his groove. who knows that may be because wilson isn;t giving him enoungh starts to get his confidence back i dont know i am not on the leafs. lol but something needs to be done what more do leafs fans want. a legit chance at a cup. not just in the playoffs. me, i know its takes time to rebuild i am being patient i just like to state what i think( my opinion) of what the teams needs at this present time.



Aside from shaky and young goaltending, some other problems that the Leafs have:

- offense geared around a single line - if Kessel/Lupul/Bozak are not scoring, then the Leafs are not scoring. Very few games this year have I seen the Leafs win on the backs of other players.
- middling defense - after Phaneuf, they're generally young and inexperienced, and it shows

Add it up, and you get a young and inexperienced team that is a borderline playoff team - which is where they are right now. I don't know what else Ron Wilson could do to make this team better, you can only coach what you have.

The Leafs today remind me of the early 2000's Canucks teams: shaky goaltending with Cloutier/Auld, a young defense with Ohlund and Jovo and not much else, and a single line (Naslund/Bertuzzi/Morrisson) capable of scoring but little else behind them. They were playoff teams in some years, but generally inconsistent. No amount of coaching could change that.
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  09:47:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not of an opinion either way on Wilson, but I did hear the best line ever regarding his time in Toronto...

'Wilson must be a great coach, he has never lost a playoff game in Toronto yet!'

Classic!
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  10:15:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with Nux most recent post completely as well. There are various challenges the Leafs face from having a horrible PK, to having most of their scoring from one line, to giving up too many shots and having a poor defense (27th in goal against, 29th in PK). In fact, statistically speaking they are good on the PP and scoring and that's it. Nothing else they do is above average.

So, the question is how much of that has to do with coaching and how much has to do with talent??? Frankly speaking, I think Burke has done a good job of building a better team than what was on the ice when he got there, but not by a pile.

Ask yourself this question: If Phil Kessel and Geoffry Lupul were having 'average' years by their standards, where do you think the Leafs would be in the standings??

How does Wilson and Reimer become the scapegoats for the Leafs being an average to below average team???
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mandree888
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  11:16:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok so your first quetion there. if lupul and kessel were playing to the average years i think the leafs would probably be below the playoff line. that being said it is hard to say that because if thats the case how many other teams would be not as a good or fantastically better. would Bruce be with the ducks or with the caps. would hitchcock be in STL. who knows there are too many variables to determine where the leafs would be if you want to go by their average stats or years past.

As for riemer i love this kid i do not think he is ready to be the answer for the leafs

As for wilson.... he doesn't focus on defence thats why the leafs goals against is 27 and pk is 29. Wilson doesnt coach def.

most coaches in the NHL say they can teach def but not off. so why then does wilson not coach what most other coaches find easier.

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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  11:42:55  Reply with Quote
TO paraphrase Punch Imlach, "Ron Wilson is a Jr. B coach."
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/22/2012 :  14:57:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, each is entitled to their own opinion. I can't disagree with the performance of the Leafs, specifically on the PK and defensively. Those things are impacted pretty significantly by the coach. I just don't believe that Wilson can be expected to get extraordinary results with less than extraordinary talent. He is achieving to the level I would expect based on the quality of players he has to work with.
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/23/2012 :  06:29:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Leafs need a coaching change, but it isn't the head coaching. It's the goaltending coach.
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mandree888
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Posted - 02/23/2012 :  13:06:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

The Leafs need a coaching change, but it isn't the head coaching. It's the goaltending coach.


i decided to take a look at who the current goalie coach was in TOR and i could only find a goalie consultant.
this info was from mapleleafs.com
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=42119
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/23/2012 :  13:56:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandree888

quote:
Originally posted by ToXXiK1

The Leafs need a coaching change, but it isn't the head coaching. It's the goaltending coach.


i decided to take a look at who the current goalie coach was in TOR and i could only find a goalie consultant.
this info was from mapleleafs.com
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=42119



Yes, your goalie coach is Francois Allaire. Only one of the most revered and successful goalie coaches in recent hockey history - he worked extensively with Roy in the 80's and 90's, and most recently mentored JS Giguere in the years leading up to his cup win.

I'm sure he's to blame. How dare he not turn Gustavsson or Reimer into the next coming of Patrick Roy over the past 2 years...
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Posted - 02/23/2012 :  15:35:56  Reply with Quote
I love the leafs there doing the best they can with what they have
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Posted - 02/23/2012 :  16:46:38  Reply with Quote
They are becoming what everyone outside of Toronto thought they would be, a 10th place team looking outside in at the playoffs. Has the Kessel trade really helped this team? Be honest!
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Statman
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  01:08:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Has the Kessel trade really helped this team? Be honest!
Well, yes it certainly has, as he's their best player and should be for a while. The problem is how much it cost them as no team ever expects the pick they traded to be the top pick overall. Time will tell, however.
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mandree888
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  05:24:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
nuxfan i dont pretend to be an expert. i had no idea that that our consuktant had that impressive of a resume. i never said the goalie coach (consultant) needed to be changed i was curious and posted my findings about who it was.
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  05:38:53  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2710

They are becoming what everyone outside of Toronto thought they would be, a 10th place team looking outside in at the playoffs. Has the Kessel trade really helped this team? Be honest!


Of course it did.
Where would they be without him today?
My guess is they'd be lower than 10th spot, with an even younger team than they have - and that would NOT be a team which Wilson can coach. He has enoughn trouble coaching this team as it is. If Kessel was not there - it would be worse and Seguin would be up and down from minors just like Kadri...
Wilson is a coach that demands respect - i think he'd be better off EARNING respect from his players.
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slozo
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  06:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My opinion of Ron Wilson is that he has been a below average coach for the Maple Leafs.

He certainly has never - not one season - had the Leafs over-achieve. This season, same as every other one - th Leafs are, in my opinion, playing a level below the talent they have on their roster.

And that falls on the coach.

The Leafs have pk specialists on their team, for instance, that are demonstrably better in skill (going from their history) than at least half the league . . . and yet, with such a horrible beginning to the season, find themselves at the bottom of that heap once again.

The Leafs goalie situation has been mishandled - badly, at times - by the coach, in my opinion. We are now in a spot where w have two young, promising goalies, on a decent team with a good shot at making the playoffs, but each has zero confidence.

The coach has also had to considerably tone down his "ass-hat" act for the media conferences, and has in general p-ed off about 95% of the media at some point with his jerky sarcasm and idiotic rsponses. He comes off as an arrogant SOB most of the time.

So yeah, I think he has underperformed.

And I don't care what he did in San Jose . . . just like I didn't care what Toskala did in San Jose when he had a great winning record there too, and seemed like a fantastic talent.

I care what he is doing NOW, with THIS team.

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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  07:30:14  Reply with Quote
Further to my previous comment...I think my point is that anyone reading or responding to this thread could coach the Leafs to miss the playoffs. And we'd charge a lot less. If Wilson were a great coach (WHCs and Olys are tournaments, with the best players in the world - I might be able to coach that group to a medal) he'd take an perennially underachieving Leafs squad into contention.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  08:09:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandree888

nuxfan i dont pretend to be an expert. i had no idea that that our consuktant had that impressive of a resume. i never said the goalie coach (consultant) needed to be changed i was curious and posted my findings about who it was.



oh, my bad - I thought you were calling for Allaire to be canned without knowing who he was, didn't see you had quoted Toxxik. I need to read better.
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  08:44:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Toronto had a great start to the season but to blame Wilson for this teams struggles is unfair. Honestly your goaltending is awful which is not Wilson fault and your defence is suspect honestly Phenuf might be the most over-rated defencemen in the leauge.

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slozo
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  11:29:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Clatts

I think Toronto had a great start to the season but to blame Wilson for this teams struggles is unfair. Honestly your goaltending is awful which is not Wilson fault and your defence is suspect honestly Phenuf might be the most over-rated defencemen in the leauge.

"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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See my above comments on Wilson's inept mishandling of the entire goalie situation - who to call his starter, how long it took him to declare it a tandem instead of staying with Reimer (after he came back from injury), who he played when, comments about each of them, etc etc.

It's been pretty brutal. He single-handedly killed Gustavsson confidence, and certainly wasn't kind to Reimer (nor patient, as one must be with young goalies) when he got back.

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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  11:36:58  Reply with Quote
Randy Carlyle !!!!


quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

What happened Leaf fans, got tired of flogging the goaltender as the scapegoat so you moved to the coach??

What has Ron Wilson won?? The 1996 World Hockey Championship and Olympic Silver Medal. Also, the 6th most games in NHL history and 3rd among active coaches. Before you jump on this "How many Stanley Cup rings does he have," bandwagon you might want to stop and ask yourself how many current NHL head coaches have a Stanley Cup ring as a head coach??? I can count 7 (Julien, Quinville, Babcock, Tortorella, Laviolette, Bylsma, and Hitchcock). And the question of multiple Cup rings?? I think there is only one guy on that list who has more than one as a head coach as far as I know.


Ask yourself this:

1 - Are there any coaches out there today better than Wilson who are looking for a job??

2 - Can you honestly say that another coach would have/could have done better with the teams that Wilson has had??

Personally, my answer to both questions is no. I don't think there is a better coach who is currently unemployed and I think that Wilson has done everything he could have done with the talent he has. Prior to this season the Leafs were simply not good enough to be a playoff team. This season, they are a borderline playoff team.

I am not saying that Wilson is the best coach in the NHL or even in that elite level of coaches like Babcock, Hitchcock, or Trotz(who does not have a Cup ring but is the best coach in the NHL today). However, Wilson is an above average coach who meets the expectation of the talent he has to utilized. What more do you want??

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Beans15
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  11:59:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4540

Randy Carlyle !!!!


quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

What happened Leaf fans, got tired of flogging the goaltender as the scapegoat so you moved to the coach??

What has Ron Wilson won?? The 1996 World Hockey Championship and Olympic Silver Medal. Also, the 6th most games in NHL history and 3rd among active coaches. Before you jump on this "How many Stanley Cup rings does he have," bandwagon you might want to stop and ask yourself how many current NHL head coaches have a Stanley Cup ring as a head coach??? I can count 7 (Julien, Quinville, Babcock, Tortorella, Laviolette, Bylsma, and Hitchcock). And the question of multiple Cup rings?? I think there is only one guy on that list who has more than one as a head coach as far as I know.


Ask yourself this:

1 - Are there any coaches out there today better than Wilson who are looking for a job??

2 - Can you honestly say that another coach would have/could have done better with the teams that Wilson has had??

Personally, my answer to both questions is no. I don't think there is a better coach who is currently unemployed and I think that Wilson has done everything he could have done with the talent he has. Prior to this season the Leafs were simply not good enough to be a playoff team. This season, they are a borderline playoff team.

I am not saying that Wilson is the best coach in the NHL or even in that elite level of coaches like Babcock, Hitchcock, or Trotz(who does not have a Cup ring but is the best coach in the NHL today). However, Wilson is an above average coach who meets the expectation of the talent he has to utilized. What more do you want??





Are you sure about that??? You might want to take a look at Anaheim's performance before and after Boudreau took over before you sprint to the phone and call RC. Boudreau is not the best guy out there either but he is doing far better than Carlyle did.
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  12:32:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[/quote]

Are you sure about that??? You might want to take a look at Anaheim's performance before and after Boudreau took over before you sprint to the phone and call RC. Boudreau is not the best guy out there either but he is doing far better than Carlyle did.
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beans carlyle won the cup in 2006 with this team. to say theBoudreau is doing better will have to wait until he leads them a to a cup as well. wont it? i agree that the team has turned their season around under him but boudreau doesnt have a ring at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Anaheim_Ducks_season

Edited by - mandree888 on 02/24/2012 12:33:42
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  13:56:56  Reply with Quote
Gerard Gallant, the current coach of the reigning Memorial Cup Champion Saint John Sea Dogs has been nothing short of great at the QMJHL level. His first stint in the NHL didn't go well, but he will be back, and the team that gets him will have a very, very good coach on their hands.
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  15:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandree888
beans carlyle won the cup in 2006 with this team. to say theBoudreau is doing better will have to wait until he leads them a to a cup as well. wont it? i agree that the team has turned their season around under him but boudreau doesnt have a ring at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Anaheim_Ducks_season



The 2006/07 Ducks are a far cry better than the current Ducks, its really unfair to compare one coach against another when the teams they coach are not even close to the same.

Edited by - nuxfan on 02/24/2012 22:57:13
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Shepsky
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Posted - 02/24/2012 :  18:24:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Slozo, I am glad to see you agree with me in this situation. Like I said the goaltender juggling is a problem, I know Beans thinks Wilson is the best coach available, but I think the inconsistent performance of the team, shows that they do have talent, some games they look like a top team in the league, and there was a time before christmas when there power play was really clicking. Now the whole team looks lost most of the time, they just need someone to direct them better. I think even Paul Maurice could do better with this team... too bad he was fired from MSL a long time ago...
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slozo
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  04:10:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shepsky

Slozo, I am glad to see you agree with me in this situation. Like I said the goaltender juggling is a problem, I know Beans thinks Wilson is the best coach available, but I think the inconsistent performance of the team, shows that they do have talent, some games they look like a top team in the league, and there was a time before christmas when there power play was really clicking. Now the whole team looks lost most of the time, they just need someone to direct them better. I think even Paul Maurice could do better with this team... too bad he was fired from MSL a long time ago...



Paul Maurice would have been a much beter fit for this team - great for coaching young players. Not the greatest coach, but . . . we just want a fit here, no need for a Scotty Bowman in my mind to lead the Leafs current roster to a playoff spot. Just need solid coaching and management of your talent/egos/roster, that's it. And some competence at a penalty kill

I think the key is, Wilson is no good for a young, developing team. He is too old school.

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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  04:33:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Although I don't think Wilson is a bad coach at all I can't help but look at what Paul McLean is doing in Ottawa. Ottawa was not supposed to have anywhere near the success it is having this year and I have to think its the coach. He took the basically the same cast of players and turned them around into a playoff contending team. Maybe McLean has a better way of motivating players to play his system then Wilson does.
I think the Leafs are not yet capable of playing the type of game Wilson is trying to get them to play, he should adjust his game plan until the Leafs have a few more assets. They are young inconsistent and still a few more players, and little bit more maturing, away from being the team most fans think they are.
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  09:22:22  Reply with Quote
Wilson has no clue when it comes to motivating his players ... Remember last year? When Reimer got his first career shutout against Carolina? Instead of praising the kid and giving him props, Wilson had to be a smart-ass prick with the media stating that "anyone" would have gotten the shutout based on how well the Leafs had played as a team. Geez Ron, maybe you should strap on the pads for the next game ... a-hole!!
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  13:13:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Typical Leaf fan crap. Ask yourself this question:

On thief absolute best days, what team in the NHL would either Reimer or Gustovsson displace the current starter????

I bet you name less than 5 teams. Bottom line, the Leafs have possibly the worst goaltending in the NHL. but even if they had a better goaltending, the live and die by one offensive line. Their defense is horrible.

Wilson has a hand in that, but he can only do what he can with what he has.
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  13:38:49  Reply with Quote
typical Beans15 crap.

"There is no better coach unemployed in my mind" lmao.. what about randy carlyle beans he has a ring last time i checked. What about Bob Hartley Beans15? Hes won a stanley cup.. Go ahead delete my comments like you always do. Not my fault I know stuff about hockey and your not the poster everyone hypes you up to be. No Ron Wilson is not the answer .. and yes there are better coaches unemployed..
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  15:27:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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"There is no better coach unemployed in my mind" lmao.. what about randy carlyle beans he has a ring last time i checked. What about Bob Hartley Beans15? Hes won a stanley cup.. Go ahead delete my comments like you always do. Not my fault I know stuff about hockey and your not the poster everyone hypes you up to be. No Ron Wilson is not the answer .. and yes there are better coaches unemployed..



A cup ring does not make a coach great - sometimes coaches can get teams to play above their level, however more often, coaches benefit from good teams more than they make teams good. Hartley is a great example. Yes, he won a cup - with the 2001 Avalanche, a team that sported the likes of Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Tanguay, Drury, Blake, Bourque, Foote, Roy. Did Hartley really make that team better, or was he more along for the ride? To point, what did he do after his stint with the Avs - he went on to a (much less talented) Thrashers team and promptly coached them to a single playoff appearance in 5 years before being fired.

Was Hartley a good coach because he won with the Avs? Was he a bad coach because he could not elevate the Thrashers from a bad team to at least a respectable team? Based on his track record, what do you think someone like Hartley can do for the current Leafs team?

Like Beans says, sometimes you just have to play the hand you have. The Leafs are simply not a very good team (yet), they are generally young and inexperienced, with shoddy goaltending, young defense, and 3 or 4 players that can score regularly. No amount of coaching is going to provide raw talent where none exists.
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  15:56:24  Reply with Quote
Bob Hartley was a good coach cuz he is a good human being. Enough said.
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Posted - 02/25/2012 :  16:56:12  Reply with Quote
With all due respect the Leafs have been young and rebuilding since Sundin left about five years ago.
When do they become respectable?
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