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Guest2049
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 Posted - 05/02/2007 : 17:18:59
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
[What I meant about Luongo is that his success comes from the training of a different coach, not Vigneault, and since Luongo helped them a lot it wasn't Vigneault's training that got them this far, since he didn't train Luongo. But whatever, fair enough. We all have our opinions, but we'll just have to wait to see who gets it 
That was my point too Mikhailova. Goaltenders are never taught by the head coach, that's what the goaltender coach is for. Head coach can dictate general style of play, and scenario choices, but all technical aspects of tending is left to the experts. V does not more and no less here than any other head coach in the league. |
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bonfire420
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 09:16:23
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Read this then read my previous post. It's like I could read his mind...
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You must have super powers mr. babs. 
I did read your response and it doesn't address my point about you guys not following Vancouver closely for a few years. As a die hard canucks fan I can see the drastic changes that have been made to the teams overall style. This has nothing to do with goaltending although as a great coach Vigneault has recognized he has one of the best goalies and has adjusted the team's style accordingly. As I said before if you don't think he should win I can see that, but if you don't think he should be a finalist... well, let's just say we'll agree to disagree. |
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willus3
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 11:49:10
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Originally posted by tctitans
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Originally posted by willus3
I don't think what Vigneault did was all that impressive. They are where they are in large part because of Luongo. I'm not buying the "he built them into a defensive style team to support Luongo" theory.
Willus, you are such a biased Canuck-hater. ;)
Explain to me why Luongo couldnt even get into the playoffs by himself in Long Island or Florida? I agree, Luongo is a big part of the team, but he is mostly certainly not the only part.
Actually, don't try to explain. It will just start another illogical non-fact based discussion with no conclusion. ;)
This argument is weak!!
Why didn't Lecavalier score 50 goals last year?
Player's mature and hit their prime at different times.
Players have great years. Maybe this is one of Luongo's.....
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Guest7418
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 16:53:58
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by tctitans
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Originally posted by willus3
I don't think what Vigneault did was all that impressive. They are where they are in large part because of Luongo. I'm not buying the "he built them into a defensive style team to support Luongo" theory.
Willus, you are such a biased Canuck-hater. ;)
Explain to me why Luongo couldnt even get into the playoffs by himself in Long Island or Florida? I agree, Luongo is a big part of the team, but he is mostly certainly not the only part.
Actually, don't try to explain. It will just start another illogical non-fact based discussion with no conclusion. ;)
This argument is weak!!
Why didn't Lecavalier score 50 goals last year?
Player's mature and hit their prime at different times.
Players have great years. Maybe this is one of Luongo's.....
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Your response is weak. You really think Luongo has not 'matured' and is now playing at a level much much higher than he was in Floriday? If you believe this, you know less that I thought you knew. Luongo stole games in Florida while regularly being completely ouytshot - and thro in a few 50+ save performances in there for good measure.
I would join this site if it wasnt so frustrating to listen to whinny wannabe analysts who state their fictionalized biased opinions as facts. I dont even believe that THEY really believe what they write and try to back up with illogic.. I really dont. |
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willus3
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 18:45:12
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Your response is weak. You really think Luongo has not 'matured' and is now playing at a level much much higher than he was in Floriday? If you believe this, you know less that I thought you knew. Luongo stole games in Florida while regularly being completely ouytshot - and thro in a few 50+ save performances in there for good measure.
I would join this site if it wasnt so frustrating to listen to whinny wannabe analysts who state their fictionalized biased opinions as facts. I dont even believe that THEY really believe what they write and try to back up with illogic.. I really dont.
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Uhhhh.... That is exactly what i was saying. My point was that Luongo has matured and is hitting his prime and that is why he wasn't able to singlehandedly carry the Panthers to the playoffs like he has with the Canucks this year. Read my post again and maybe you'll catch it the second time around.
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Guest4462
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 23:35:54
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Originally posted by willus3
Your response is weak. You really think Luongo has not 'matured' and is now playing at a level much much higher than he was in Floriday? If you believe this, you know less that I thought you knew. Luongo stole games in Florida while regularly being completely ouytshot - and thro in a few 50+ save performances in there for good measure.
I would join this site if it wasnt so frustrating to listen to whinny wannabe analysts who state their fictionalized biased opinions as facts. I dont even believe that THEY really believe what they write and try to back up with illogic.. I really dont.
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Uhhhh.... That is exactly what i was saying. My point was that Luongo has matured and is hitting his prime and that is why he wasn't able to singlehandedly carry the Panthers to the playoffs like he has with the Canucks this year. Read my post again and maybe you'll catch it the second time around.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
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I got your post.. not read mine again and it's pretty obvious that there is a 'not' in there that should be a 'now' (cant edit/correct a post unless you are a member). Luongo shone in Florida.. he single handedly won them games... I dont know what miracle potion you think he drank over the summer to make him improve as much as you say when going to Vancouver. He may be better, yes (may not be too), but it's an incremental journey for a goalie.. he is not going to be average one year and brilliant the next. |
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willus3
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 07:08:22
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How about JS Giguere in 2003. What happened there?
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Guest4462
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 11:01:57
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Originally posted by willus3
How about JS Giguere in 2003. What happened there?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
This is completely off topic and on a tangent.
Giguere had a superb year and playoff run, and wasnt quite the same the following year - although he cannot be blamed entirely for it as personnel moves and style was changed. That being said, how does that relate AT ALL to this discussion?
I hate having to answer crap responses like this that are 'reaching' for some imaginary point to support their perposterous perspective. |
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willus3
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 15:41:45
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Originally posted by Guest4462
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Originally posted by willus3
How about JS Giguere in 2003. What happened there?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
This is completely off topic and on a tangent.
Giguere had a superb year and playoff run, and wasnt quite the same the following year - although he cannot be blamed entirely for it as personnel moves and style was changed. That being said, how does that relate AT ALL to this discussion?
I hate having to answer crap responses like this that are 'reaching' for some imaginary point to support their perposterous perspective.
The point is that you said a goalie isn't going to be average one year and brilliant the next. So I asked you about Giguere who you admitted in your next post did just that. It's very relative to the tangent we are on. Luongo had his best year ever this year. That is why Vancouver won their division and made it past the first round. Very little to do with the coach. IMO.
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Guest4462
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 17:27:57
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by Guest4462
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Originally posted by willus3
How about JS Giguere in 2003. What happened there?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
This is completely off topic and on a tangent.
Giguere had a superb year and playoff run, and wasnt quite the same the following year - although he cannot be blamed entirely for it as personnel moves and style was changed. That being said, how does that relate AT ALL to this discussion?
I hate having to answer crap responses like this that are 'reaching' for some imaginary point to support their perposterous perspective.
The point is that you said a goalie isn't going to be average one year and brilliant the next. So I asked you about Giguere who you admitted in your next post did just that. It's very relative to the tangent we are on. Luongo had his best year ever this year. That is why Vancouver won their division and made it past the first round. Very little to do with the coach. IMO.
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 20:45:44
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I agree with what Pain Train said about Ted Nolan - I would have nominated him for coaching a so-so club into the playoffs. I'd also have nominated Bryan Murray for overseeing the turn-around of an Ottawa team that was struggling the first couple of months of the season. That turn-around couldn't have been easy, particularly considering their somewhat fragile psyche as a result of previous year's disappointments.
Of the three they have nominated, I guess I'd give it to Ruff. The fact that the Sabres are a great team doesn't mean that he isn't a great coach (Scotty Bowman coached great teams too). The other nominees definitely deserve some credit too, but to me Ruff gets the slight edge because of the injuries to Buffalo, and also because his team maintained a pretty good consistency over the year (rarely losing consecutive games), and my guess is that his firm guidance contributed to that consistency. |
Edited by - andyhack on 05/05/2007 20:49:50 |
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