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OILINONTARIO
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 Posted - 04/10/2012 : 17:45:33
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Poll Question:
The Oilers won the draft lottery to move ahead of CBJ, and secure the first overall pick in the upcoming entry draft. How will they use this pick?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2013.
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Lee Marshall
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 18:05:07
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They'll trade the pick for another HIGH #1 pick PLUS a good defenceman. THAT way they'll get 2 D of note with 1 pick.
Who the cap fits...Let them wear it. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 22:56:32
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| I agree with Lee. They'll likely look to trade with a team like the Habs or Isles for a dman, a prospect or another pick (plus the swap of this year's #1's). They'd then look to land a dman like Murray or Dumba? Just a guess though. They could decide to keep Yakupov and offer up Hall to someone else in a trade? |
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Guest4227
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 03:02:12
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To Washington for
Carlson
their 2 first round picks.
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mandree888
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 07:36:31
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| i can see them drafting yakupov then trading yakupov for a d man and a pick (weber??) |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 08:05:16
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Have to disagree. The Oilers would be best suited to stay the course and draft Yakupov to keep him. They are better off trading from within current roster to get the dman and goalie they need. Remember, Edmonton has a hard time locking up franchise players. Not saying Yakupov is that good and he can right the ship, just bringing in offensive talent the can develop cheap is easier than trading in top tier talent and losing him after contract expires.
Smart play is to continue to develop from draft players which they can sign, keep long term who they wont lose to free agency. They would be better moving players who dont fit into long term plan instead. Edmonton is not a playoff team yet but could be close if they continue to develop and trade smartly. |
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Guest4178
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 10:25:11
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I agree – the Oilers should take the best available player at the draft, and right now, that looks like Yakupov.
There are a good crop of free agent defensemen (unrestricted) available on July 1st, so the Oilers can try to attract any of the following soon to be available players (to name a few): Suter, Jackman, Kubina, Carle, Wideman.
For the Oilers to draft an 18-year old top defenseman makes sense for the future, but the Oilers need to start thinking about the near future too. And recognizing that defensemen usually take longer to blossom than forwards, they are best to go the free agent route, and get a top defenseman (or two) who can play a 3rd or 4th role at minimum, and one for sure who is a top-2 guy.
Some people will comment that free agents don't want to play in Edmonton, but in my opinion, that's overblown. Sure – when they're perennial losers, I can understand a free agent not wanting to play on a team which is not likely playoff bound.
The future looks very good for the Oilers, and while players may prefer to play in a more cosmopolitan city (or in a warmer climate), most players want to play in a city where hockey matters, and on a team with talent, and on a team going in the right direction.
And the Oilers (especially with another top pick) are headed in the right direction – that's for sure!
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@valanche
Rookie
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 10:42:25
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Someone is going to be the odd man out. The oilers want yakupov more than taylor hall and they won't be able to afford all 4 of those kids in a couple years ... Tough choices and they still need defense for next year. I wonder if Nashville works things out with Suter if we could see Shea weber and lindback for Edmontons 1st overall.
The NHL really needs to revise the lottery system my proposal is that the team with the best record after the Allstar break moves up 4 spots enough of this purposely losing to gain top picks its disgraceful.
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Lee Marshall
Rookie
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 10:50:12
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I don't think anyone finished last on purpose...even the Leafs couldn't lose when they had to. [couldn't win when they had to either] Columbus was last all season long. Not once were they ever out of the basement. I wonder which Canadian city THEY'LL end up in?
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Guest4178
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 11:09:37
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I'm not sure it can be proven that the Oilers (or any of the bottom five teams) deliberately lost games to gain a top pick.
To give you some history though, Avalanche fans should know that the Quebec Nordiques had three number one selections in a row around twenty years ago: Matts Sundin (1989), Owen Nolan (1990), and Eric Lindros (1991).
These picks (some who were traded for players key players like Peter Forsberg, etc.) were instrumental in helping the Avalanche win their first cup in 1996, and perhaps played a role in them winning a second cup in 2001.
To make the comment that teams have deliberately tanked their play to get a top pick is not an original comment. People made this comment when the Penguins selected Mario Lemieux in 1984, but the final straw for the NHL was when the Ottawa Senators selected Alexander Daigle in 1993. While Daigle never lived up to the hype, he was still a first overall pick. And accusations flew that the Senators finished last place on purpose to land Daigle.
The lottery draft system was implemented soon afterwards, and while it's not perfect, there's no guarantee a team will get the first overall pick by finishing last (i.e. Columbus). In fact, the last place team usually only gets the number one pick about 50% of the time.
The Oilers got lucky (three times in a row), so let's see if they can parlay these top picks into a cup win, just like the Avalanche did years ago! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 11:41:49
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A couple of points:
Firstly, I agree that this "the Oilers can't lock up a franchise player" this is overblown. Although it is hard to argue that point as the Oilers haven't signed a true franchise guy in some time. But I still say that statement is old, tired, and overblown.
Secondly, why can't the Oilers afford to keep their top teir talent? Does Edmonton have a different salary cap than every other team in the NHL?? Not only in the salary cap at $65 million, but after next season (when Hall and Eberle will have to be signed) the Oilers have $42 million of space. The year after they have $58 million.
Believe it or not, GM's in the NHL are not morons and the Oilers brass have clearly set the table to resign their stars to long term deals. Pitt has kept their core, as have Washington, Chicago, LA, and Vancouver. There is no reason to think that the Oilers can't sign Eberle, Hall, and RNH to salaries that will put them in the $20ish million combined. Even add in a blue chip defensemen and a solid goalie and bring that total for those 5 players up to $30 million combined. That is no different than many other NHL teams today. It's frustrating that 'haters' (yes, there are haters other than Leaf haters) bring up this nonsense about the Oilers won't be able to afford their stars. They have every ability to keep their stars as every other team in the NHL. Difference being is that most of the Oilers star will be, at worst, RFA's for the next 5ish years. That is an advantage to the Oilers.
Finally, the draft is a simple strategy. Take the best player available. Period. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Unless the Oilers can trade a package for a legit blue chip defensemen, the Edmonton Oilers proudly select Nail Yakupov from the Sarnia Sting of the OHL.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 11:48:36
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I agree that i don't see teams intentionally losing to get a better pick. It's hard to prove if they actually are really because a lot of teams can ice a younger lineup with call ups, etc and rest some of their ailing stars or shut them down early like the Habs did with Price. Can you blame them though? If Price is injured, so be it. Personally, i think the Oilers screwed up by not shutting Hall down earlier for his shoulder injury. It's an injury that apparently has been bothering him since junior and when they were officially out, he should have been getting it fixed. They waited, he got concussed, and now because they were forced to sit him, he's having it fixed??? He may not be ready for training camp whereas he could be two months into his recovery by now had they done it immediately.
BTW, i like @valanche's idea, though it might need tweaking. It's definitely interesting to have a performance based lottery rather than just a draw, although strength of sched could come into play too i guess?
Back to the topic at hand. Those saying that the Oilers should grab a UFA like Suter, Jackman, etc have to remember that while Edm is improving and it may be blown out of proportion somewhat, it is still not the most desirable city to go to. It may not affect every UFA, but it might affect some. If that "some" includes the higher end guys like Suter, it may affect the Oilers decision. Also, you have to keep in mind that they're not necessarily just losing the 1st overall pick as i'm guessing they'd be getting a prospect / player AND a top 3-6 pick. It would be like them finishing a couple spots lower but also getting a bonus player as well. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 13:47:35
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Here is an interesting tidbit:
Edmonton on Feb 1st
19W-26L-5OTL - 43 pts
.380 win % and .480 pt %
Edmonton at the end of the season
32W-40-10 - 74 pts
.390 win % and .512 pt %
This means that Edmonton played better in their final 30 games than they did in their first 52 games.
Just in case some of those people out there think that NHL team tank for a better pick. It might happen, but not in Edmonton. 
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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@valanche
Rookie
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 14:41:24
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I don't think they tanked or tried to get the first pick But they certainly didn't do much over the offseason to improve the team. They got Belanger and Ryan smyth was a salary dump
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Guest4178
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 15:12:34
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I think the Oilers are making clear attempts to improve their team. Aside from signing Smyth and Belanger last season, I believe they added Andy Sutton and Cam Barker on defense (at about $2 million/season each), and Ben Eager and Darcy Hordichuk (at about $1 million/ season each) to give them some grit.
Accordingly to CapGeek, the Oilers spent around $60 million on player salaries ($4 million short of the cap), which shows a certain commitment. While the results (at least based on this past season) do not show much of a return, they're building for the future.
And to use the Avalanche as an example, they were at the bottom of the league (only the Islanders spent less) in spending.
You have to give the Avalanche credit for doing as well as they did this past season (with what they spent), but next year's going to be a big challenge. Colorado has 15 current players on their roster who are free agents this coming season. I speculate they have more free agents on their roster than any other NHL team.
Unless they increase their spending, they will not be able to keep all of their talent.
On the other hand, the Oilers have an owner who is willing to spend to the cap. But they need to start to show some results. One can excuse (or explain) their last (or near last) place finishes the past three seasons, and while most Oiler fans are patient with the rebuild, I think fans will expect the team to battle for a playoff spot next season, and be a contender in the next 3-4 years. |
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Guest8600
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 15:50:51
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| The Oilers are lucky to get the first pick, I think that the Oilers have enough Forwards with skill but they are lack D men. When guys like Sutton and Barker retire they will be lack good strong D and thats why they should go for a player like Ryan Murray. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 16:31:45
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Originally posted by @valanche
I don't think they tanked or tried to get the first pick But they certainly didn't do much over the offseason to improve the team. They got Belanger and Ryan smyth was a salary dump
66 is > than 99
Ok, c'mon. The Oilers ADDED $6 million in salary by trading for Smyth. How is that a salary dump? Let's not forget they also added Eager and Hordichuk to improve team toughness and added Baker and Sutton to improve their defense.
Finnally, the Oilers improved by 12 pts over the previous season. How is that to improving their team?.?
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
Edited by - Beans15 on 04/11/2012 16:32:28 |
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 18:54:54
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It will be interesting what they do, my opinion would be to keep the pick (Nail Yakapov) and trade Taylor Hall for a clear # 1 goalie.
I think Hall is the worst of the young guns in Edmonton. Not saying he's bad just they most expendable.
As to Edmonton not being able to sign everyone, theres no reason why they can't, they just need to be able to sign some good free agents which they haven't done in a very long time.
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 19:11:23
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Interesting perspective Clatts. Although I agree that Eberle and RNH a better complete players than Hall, I think that the pure goal scoring and speed that Hall brings is important. Let's not forget that for as good of a season as Eberle had, Hall had just 7 fewer goals had played in 17 fewer games. Plus, Hall did that with a shoulder that required surgery. his goal scoring potential is at or near elite level. I think you are undervaluing Hall to the Oilers.
Obviously he needs to come back healthy but why give up Hall for Yakupov? You know what you can get out of Hall and Yakupov is an unknown. Another point that I was discussing with someone today is the Russian concern. Yakupov would be the only Russian playing for this Oilers. Is that a Concern? Maybe. Hall likes Edmonton and there is established chemistry with Eberle and Hopkins.
Hall is an untouchable in my opinion.
I would prefer to see the Oilers trade the top pick for that legit goalie.
I wonder how Kipper would look in orange and blue?
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 19:14:29
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Is the Kipper crack directed at Clatts? Cuz i'd like to think the Oilers could get a younger goalie who'd be around in 5-7 years when the Oilers should be very strong. How many years does Kipper have left?
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 19:22:18
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I am hearing rumors about Kipper to Edmonton and I have heard them in both Edmonton and Calgary. It is undeniable that Kipper is the only reason that Calgary has been anywhere near the playoffs for the past few seasons. At 35 it is fair to assume that he has 3ish solid years left.
Not saying Kipper is worth a #1 pick, but I would think that moves the Oilers closer to the playoffs than any other move they could do.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 20:07:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I am hearing rumors about Kipper to Edmonton and I have heard them in both Edmonton and Calgary. It is undeniable that Kipper is the only reason that Calgary has been anywhere near the playoffs for the past few seasons. At 35 it is fair to assume that he has 3ish solid years left.
Not saying Kipper is worth a #1 pick, but I would think that moves the Oilers closer to the playoffs than any other move they could do.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
Oh, don't get me wrong. I think Kipper would get them in as early as next season, but i'd worry that if he's around for 3 years, in year 4 the Oilers will still be peaking you'd think, and it'd be nice to have a goalie entering his prime at that point. I guess they could always make a move for a proven guy 4 or 5 years down the road if needed. And, who knows, Kipper could be solid for another 5 for all we know? |
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@valanche
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 21:22:13
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Beans I was saying LA was dumping smyths salary
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Posted - 04/11/2012 : 21:52:43
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| No way that any professional sports team loses to gain ground in the draft. It's an absolutley ridiculous notion. These are devoted people that play,coach,manage to win games. End of story. |
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 09:03:31
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I think Getzlaf could be had. His contract is coming up along with Perry. They have somewhat of a rebuild going on already with a lot of young guys there.
Not saying it's a good idea for the Oilers but Getzlaf is exactly what this team needs. I know they need some top end D but i think they need a big Center just as much.
Right now who would match up against a center bigger than 6'2 210lb? |
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Cyclonis
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:00:02
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Grigorenko? 6'3" and 200+ lbs and still filling out at his age!
Ugh, i hate to say it but Yakapov is the best pick, i just think the Oil could use more size and Grigorenko brings it along with his skills.
I would not be suprised to see the Oil trade down to get Murray and another pick or young Defenseman.
As for Getzlaf joining the Oil...same as the Spezza trade talk...fingers crossed but expectations low.  |
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foolpittier
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Posted - 04/12/2012 : 12:48:22
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Originally posted by Beans15
I wonder how Kipper would look in orange and blue?
He would look old |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 05:19:54
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I go away for a few days and the Oil get a #1 pick again.
IMO the Oil would be absolutely nuts to not pick Yakupov. Amazing talent. Reminds me alot of a former #1 pick from the Sarnia Sting. A boy by the name of Stamkos. IMO Yakupov will be a 50 goal scorer in the NHL much like Stamkos. Maybe a chance to hit 60.
Does it make Hall expendable, maybe, Yakupov will be better then Hall, no doubt about it.
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 06:55:39
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I agree that the Oil need a better defence corps; and yes, they already have several top talents offensively from previous high draft picks. And I get that they want more size.
But in this case, I think the prudent thing to do is not feel comfortable with that by trading down (and taking Grigorenko, for instance), and instead, take Yakupov.
From everything I have seen and heard from the experts . . . this kid could be the next generational player out there. At least, in that class of player.
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 07:17:45
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Calgary will not trade Kipper to a team in the Northwest division, so Edmonton fans will have to set there sights on someone else's goalie and quit salivating over ours.
As far as Edmonton being able to sign all those young guys, like I said before it COULD happen. Example Pittsburg. They could also go they way of Chicago who had to give up Ladd,Versteeg,Byfuglin,Campbell,Nemi and Brouwer in order to keep the core of Towes,Sharp,Kane ect. They are still a good team but not near as good as when they won the cup.
It will be interesting to see which formula Edmonton can follow.(New York Islanders maybe)
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 07:24:04
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It's interesting that two posters (Porkchop and Slozo) have discussed opinions of this Yakupov kid being the next big thing. That information is not what I am hearing. Although he is touted as the top ranked draft eligable player, the opinions I have read about do not have him rated as high as he is touted here.
That being said, I took some time to dig up some information on this kid and it is pretty appealing to say the least. I don't think people can make statements like he will certainly be better than Hall, but it seems this kids potential is through the roof. I am reading comparisons to Ovechkin and Datsuyk and 'the best potential #1 pick since Sidney Crosby." If that is the case, they Oilers would be foolish not to take him in the draft. No reason to not keep the cupboard stocked full of young talent.
I still think there might be a Russian factor in that the Oilers have no other Russian players on their roster. This might mean the kid wouldn't be as happy playing here.
I would not complain if the Oilers kept the pick and took Yakupov. But I would also not complain if they traded the pick for a legit, #1 defensemen or a legit starting goalie with year ahead of him.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:09:28
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I might have been a little hard on the Oilers sitting on there butts, as clearly they made moves to retool this year. My complaint as it has been in Edmonton for 2-3 years has been no legit #2 and a #1 with a history of cold spells and injuries. It looks like the #2 goalie is maturing well now, but its time to bring in a #1 who can compete. A Marty Biron who if he splits games is comfortable. A healthy year for the star players next year and a rebuilt Taylor Hall wouldn't hurt either. Keep the #1 and trade from 2nd and 3rd line players closer to ufa status. Buyout Horcoff to remove the bad story line of an overpaid player, keep Smyth and make him Captain until one of the stars matures to Captain quality.quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by @valanche
I don't think they tanked or tried to get the first pick But they certainly didn't do much over the offseason to improve the team. They got Belanger and Ryan smyth was a salary dump
66 is > than 99
Ok, c'mon. The Oilers ADDED $6 million in salary by trading for Smyth. How is that a salary dump? Let's not forget they also added Eager and Hordichuk to improve team toughness and added Baker and Sutton to improve their defense.
Finnally, the Oilers improved by 12 pts over the previous season. How is that to improving their team?.?
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mandree888
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:27:34
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Originally posted by Beans15
I still think there might be a Russian factor in that the Oilers have no other Russian players on their roster. This might mean the kid wouldn't be as happy playing here.
hmmm interesting point beans and if i remeber correctly i believe a high quality russian on capitals is aeither a RFA or a UFA this year....... semin??? would bringing in yakupov be enough to bring semin to EDM |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:43:45
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A couple of things:
Firstly, Khabibulin was hurt almost all of last season. You can't blame him for that. He started out this season on fire. If I recall, he was one of the top 3 goalies in GAA, save %, and wins through the 1st 20 games. He was 10-7-3 with a 2.00 GAA and a .932 save %. He didn't play great after that but still ended the season with a save % of .910 and a GAA of 2.65. He is a fine 'stop/gap' keeper until either Dubnyk gets the #1 job or a replacement is found. Face it, no keeper on earth would have put the Oilers in a playoff position. He's only under contract for one more season so I don't see the Oilers moving him out unless they get a huge upgrade in net. However, I do see the Oilers going with Dubnyk as their legit #1 with Khabibulin playing a purely back up role next season.
Secondly, they are missing a key defenseman. Whitney is nice, Potter emerged this season, Schutlz and Smid are all the shut down a team needs, and Sutton is a solid 5/6 contributor. But they are missing that legit, blue chip Pietranglo/Doughty/Karlsson type player. No double about it. If they trade the #1 pick, this is what they should be shooting for.
Thirdly, the buy-out Horcoff song is one that many in Edmonton are singing. Granted, he is grossly overpaid for the role so I understand the frustration of the fans. However, if motivated, he is a solid contributor as a #3 centre. Kills penalties, shut down forward, a little offense here and there, great face off guy. The problem with buying him out(as I understand the buy-out rules) is the team retains a % of the buy out for twice the duration of the remaining contract. As Horcoff's cap hit is $5.5 million, the stats I heard is that Edmonton would have close to a $2.8 million cap hit for the next 6 seasons. It's cheaper and better for the team to actually keep him for the 3 seasons he has left. Or, put him on waivers and send him down if now one claims him.
Finally, Smyth as captain?? I think most in Edmonton would agree that he started this year like a house on fire but fizzled drastically after the All Star break. Not only in production but he was one of the main culprits in the group of vets not putting in the effort. I don't see him as a Captain any more. Not at all. Frankly, if the Oilers sign him for more than $3 million for 2 years it will be an huge overpayment and waste of money. I was so impressed with Smyth at the start of the year and so disappointed by the end of the year.
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@valanche
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:04:05
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Originally posted by Beans15
'the best potential #1 pick since Sidney Crosby."
... So basically since the oilers started their run of first overall picks right :P
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:24:00
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Khabibulin's time has come and gone I don't think he can be a legit #1 for anyone anymore. He shocked and surprised at the start of the year and then nothing. He hasn't been good enough for an entire season for some time now.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:26:29
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quote:
Originally posted by @valanche
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Originally posted by Beans15
'the best potential #1 pick since Sidney Crosby."
... So basically since the oilers started their run of first overall picks right :P
66 is > than 99
ummm, not quite. I think Erik Johnson, Patrick Kane, Steven Stamkos, and John Tavares were drafted betwen Crosby and Hall.
I know it was a joke, and personally, I love it every time someone brings it up. I can't think of a single fan in hockey that would not like to have 3-1st overall draft picks playing on their team. I know that no one wants to go through the pain of all the losing to get those picks.
But it's ok. Keep up the jokes. They will only make is sweeter when the Oilers (and all those 1st over all picks) beat the crap out of the rest of the league.
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Guest4178
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:28:54
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I continue to find "@valanche's" comments (and apparent digs at the Oilers) very interesting.
I have no problem with anyone giving it to the Oilers for their luck with three consecutive first round picks, but anyone with an Avalanche moniker (and Nordiques logo) should remember the history which I described earlier.
The Nordiques are the only other NHL team to have ever had three consecutive #1 overall draft picks. 1989 (Sundin), 1990 (Nolan) and 1991 (Lindros). |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 13:42:57
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Beans I may not be a professional NHL scout but I have held season tickets to the local OHL team for the past 15 yrs. Of course in that time I have watched several players that end up going high in the draft.
I feel very confident in the statement I made that Yakupov will be better the Hall. I watched Taylor Hall for two seasons in the OHL. I have watched Nail Yakupov play for the last two seasons. In fact I would say I watched them play at least 20 games or more live during their respective seasons.
Again, I am not a pro scout but IMO Yakupov was the more dynamic, game changing type of player in the OHL then Taylor Hall was. IMO Yakupov will be that type player in the NHL.
Another reason I say that is, at one game I was talking to some Sarnia Sting faithful and they say Yakupov is better then Stamkos when Stamkos was a member of the Sting, and Stamkos is still a god to the Sting fans. Does that mean it will translate to the NHL, who knows.
Bottom line, a top line of RNH, Eberle, Yakupov would for sure challenge for the absolute most potent line in the NHL.
I also would not trade Taylor Hall as it would give the Oil probably the best 1,2 line combination going forward.
Again, its all just my opinion.
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Edited by - Porkchop73 on 04/13/2012 14:25:46 |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 14:13:23
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I heard the exact same thing from another season ticket holder today. Hall, if they have the technology to rebuild him, and Yakupov if he can adapt for the NHL, should work well with all the other pieces in Edmonton.quote:
Originally posted by Porkchop73
Beans I may not be a professional NHL scout but I have held season tickets to the local OHL team for the past 15 yrs. Of course in that time I have watched several players that end up going high in the draft.
I feel very confident in the statement I made that Yakupov will be better the Hall. I watched Taylor Hall for two seasons in the OHL. I have Nail Yakupov play for the last two seasons. In fact I would say I watched them play at least 20 games or more live during their respective seasons.
Again, I am not a pro scout but IMO Yakupov was the more dynamic, game changing type of player in the OHL then Taylor Hall was. IMO Yakupov will be that type player in the NHL.
Another reason I say that is, at one game I was talking to some Sarnia Sting faithful and they say Yakupov is better then Stamkos when Stamkos was a member of the Sting, and Stamkos is still a god to the Sting fans. Does that mean it will translate to the NHL, who knows.
Bottom line, a top line of RNH, Eberle, Yakupov would for sure challenge for the absolute most potent line in the NHL.
I also would not trade Taylor Hall as it would give the Oil probably the best 1,2 line combination going forward.
Again, its all just my opinion.
I LOVE THE OTTAWA SENATORS
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 14:31:42
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Just to help you out Beans, because you obviously have not been looking to hard into Yakupov. The kid is drawing very strong comparisons to Pavel Bures scoring and speed but with a little more physical side.
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Oil get #1 Pick Again! 
