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Guest2514
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 Posted - 04/13/2012 : 14:36:41
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If Yakupov is that good then take him!
I think to save Hall you move him to center. The Oilers had a lot of luck moving another player to center early in his career (Messier).
Must do the due diligence to see what they can get and what they can trade for but you take the best player available.
I have heard Yakupov = Stamkos and Murray = doughty. I would take Stamkos everyday all day!!
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 16:26:51
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| Beans, i know he's just one guy, but isn't Khabibulin a Russian? Or is he a Kazak, Belarussian or something else? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 17:19:46
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, i know he's just one guy, but isn't Khabibulin a Russian? Or is he a Kazak, Belarussian or something else?
Well color me foolish, there is a Rusian in the roster. Granted, it is unlikely Khabibulin will resign after this season so it is unlikely a Yakupov/Khabibulin friendship would last too long.
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@valanche
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 17:47:51
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Originally posted by Guest4178
I continue to find "@valanche's" comments (and apparent digs at the Oilers) very interesting.
I have no problem with anyone giving it to the Oilers for their luck with three consecutive first round picks, but anyone with an Avalanche moniker (and Nordiques logo) should remember the history which I described earlier.
The Nordiques are the only other NHL team to have ever had three consecutive #1 overall draft picks. 1989 (Sundin), 1990 (Nolan) and 1991 (Lindros).
The biggest difference I can point out is the nordiques wanted nothing to do with being last place and they made every effort to remove themselves from the basement of the NHL. The oilers on the other hand have IMO made very few moves over the last three years and really grown to adore this rebuilding era. The look on tambellini's face, the "we improved from last year" -moving up one spot is a disappointment unless you move from 9th to 8th, ad even the exclamation mark ending the topic of this particular forum. The oil, simply put have embraced the rebuild and become known for doing little to improve their squad other than drafting star players first overall.
In addition, of those three first overall selections none played more than a couple seasons for the nordiques/ avalanche and lindros actually refused to play for the team... Imagine how much yakupovs trade value drops if he demands out before playing a single game with the club.
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vandrew87
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 18:40:02
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Originally posted by Beans15
There is no reason to think that the Oilers can't sign Eberle, Hall, and RNH to salaries that will put them in the $20ish million combined. Even add in a blue chip defensemen and a solid goalie and bring that total for those 5 players up to $30 million combined. That is no different than many other NHL teams today. It's frustrating that 'haters' (yes, there are haters other than Leaf haters) bring up this nonsense about the Oilers won't be able to afford their stars.
Exactly. There is no reason that the GM won't be able to sign them all to a long term deal, and have a bit of a dynasty going.
And when the Oilers start winning, (which lets face it...with this string of draft picks, they'll start doing exactly that sooner than later), if push comes to shove, (which it won't), the core talent will want to stick together and will pull strings to make sure that it happens.
In a few years RNH, Hall and Eberle will be leading a team as talented as the Canucks current line up; most of which took a paycut to stick together.
This entire line of tired diatribe is getting annoying...
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Guest4377
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 19:06:14
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Really Avalanche? The Oilers wanted to finish in last place and the Avalanche somehow desired a more lofty position?
Regardless of how many seasons the Nordiques first round picks played, they finished last three times in a row (on purpose?), and their picks were used in one way or another, and the end result was two Stanley Cups, in part because of their lousy play for at least three seasons, and the subsequent picks that helped them become a great team.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 19:47:37
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Avalanche, I think your opinion is either heavily biased or heavily ill informed. The Oilers are rebuilding, there is no doubt. But I don't think you can reasonably argue that the Oilers haven't done anything to improve their team when they add at least 7 different players this past season and improved their performance by 12 points year over year.
That's not opinion. That is the actual reality.
To Porkchop, thanks for the info. There is not a ton of OHL talk out here in the west. I would love to see a Bure type player with the Oilers!!
I still think there is room and money enough to keep a core including Eberle, Hall, RNH, and Yakupov.
Think about a PP with those 4 guys and a pylon..............
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Guest8696
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 23:08:53
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
The Oilers won the draft lottery to move ahead of CBJ, and secure the first overall pick in the upcoming entry draft. How will they use this pick?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2013.
Grigorenko from Quebec Remparts will be a great pickfor Edmonton oiler, this dude is a Rookie in QMJHL and he is a Lefty!!, he has racked up lots of points as for Yakupov im not sure,but there is also another one from Medicine Hat Tigers Emerson Etem also gaining in ranks in The WHL,So my final bet will go to Quebec Remparts!!!!!...... Yep!!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 09:29:23
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Originally posted by Guest8696
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
The Oilers won the draft lottery to move ahead of CBJ, and secure the first overall pick in the upcoming entry draft. How will they use this pick?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2013.
Grigorenko from Quebec Remparts will be a great pickfor Edmonton oiler, this dude is a Rookie in QMJHL and he is a Lefty!!, he has racked up lots of points as for Yakupov im not sure,but there is also another one from Medicine Hat Tigers Emerson Etem also gaining in ranks in The WHL,So my final bet will go to Quebec Remparts!!!!!...... Yep!!!
Interesting post. You name a guy who's already drafted (Etem), you know little about the consensus #1 pick (Yakupov) and your final bet to the question that was How will the Oilers use the #1 pick, is to name a team from the Q (Remparts)? Okay...... |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 13:19:05
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I addressed the Etem thing in a identical post in another thread.
The oilers might be able to trade the ducks for Etem if that what you want
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Guest8696
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 14:15:46
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| Well i can tell you this it would be a crappy deal if they traded there first roind draft pick!!..can you tell me if there has ever been a team to trade their first rounder for a player, edmonton wont do that they are known for a young team.what i meant is for them to cast a line to the Quebec remparts to take a look at the player i mentioned!!!GORINKO!!!THE LEFTY ROOKIE!!!!....I was there for all Stanley Cup Wins and they are a good team.........fr: OilerRraggingRights |
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@valanche
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 11:31:10
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Originally posted by Clatts
I addressed the Etem thing in a identical post in another thread.
The oilers might be able to trade the ducks for Etem if that what you want
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
which thread is that? i saw etem play this year in saskatoon wow did he impress me. he got a hattrick (final goal was OT game winner) in one game and a couple points the next game including the GWG again.
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Guest8139
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 20:36:49
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| Wow, I haven't seen so much inaccurate posting in my life!! You guys should check out the sportsnet.ca...Beans in your analysis of the Oilers D you failed to mention Petry who made a huge Jump this year and looks like a legit top 4. And to an earlier post you asked where's the improvement from them? Well like you said there was a 12 point swing but they also finished 3rd in the league on the pp and the pk improved to middle pack as well! If ya think about it we're right on schedule according to their 1-3-5 year plan and it's going on to year 3 in the rebuild mode. As for a Goalie, not once has Kipper been involved in talks to Edmonton! Besides, we already have a washed up backup(but ours has a cup ;-) lol)...Dubnyk will be just fine ty going into next year as the true number 1. After to a slow start to his development I think he's finally coming into his own...the soft goals went way down by the middle to end of the year and had very respectable stats after the Xmas break playing on a bad hockey club...Yakupov will be drafted an Oiler Eberle, RNH and Yakupov will be here:-)...have one of the richest owners in hocket(sports for that matter) will mean money's no object. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 21:08:36
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Originally posted by @valanche
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Originally posted by Clatts
I addressed the Etem thing in a identical post in another thread.
The oilers might be able to trade the ducks for Etem if that what you want
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
which thread is that? i saw etem play this year in saskatoon wow did he impress me. he got a hattrick (final goal was OT game winner) in one game and a couple points the next game including the GWG again.
66 is > than 99
Etem is good, very good. That might be way Anaheim drafted him already! Read the rest of the thread before you comment
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@valanche
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 23:04:31
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Originally posted by Clatts
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Originally posted by @valanche
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Originally posted by Clatts
I addressed the Etem thing in a identical post in another thread.
The oilers might be able to trade the ducks for Etem if that what you want
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
which thread is that? i saw etem play this year in saskatoon wow did he impress me. he got a hattrick (final goal was OT game winner) in one game and a couple points the next game including the GWG again.
66 is > than 99
Etem is good, very good. That might be way Anaheim drafted him already! Read the rest of the thread before you comment
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
I know he's not draft eligible... I thought you were saying there was a thread on him. Some people...
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Guest1451
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 05:52:41
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| So Yakopov is unproven and untrustworthy because of his nationality but other teams would be willing to give Weber, Getzlaf or Semin for him? Hmm . . . not sure who but somebody is wrong. Been far and away the highest rated player coming in this year all season, won't cost Edmonton much (at least until his rookie contract expires,) and the only downside that I hear anyone providing is that he is Russian. Yeah, I'd take him. There are a few other Russian guys who have done pretty well despite their ancestry. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 07:26:20
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I think I was the only one who said something about Yakupov being Russian and I would kindly ask that you re-read my posts regarding that point and tell me anywhere I said he would be untrustworthy or unproven.
I simply said that as the only Russian playing on the team, would he be happy to play here?? It's a legitimate question that was asked nearly 2 weeks ago. Since then, Yakupov has made some pretty bold statements about wanting to play for the Oilers and wanting to go #1 overall.
Here is the from Igor Larionov, Yakupov's agent, and below that is the link to the story confirming the statement.
“Nail Yakupov is very happy Edmonton is picking No. 1. If it’s going to happen, he’d be very happy to play for a team like that, with all the talent they’re putting together. I know he wants to play for the Oilers. I know his work ethic and I know his desire to be No. 1. He told me he’d be very happy to play with a team like that, with such a great future, for the next 10 years."
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/16/jones-yakupov-wants-to-be-an-oilers
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 09:58:42
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I don't know if you can say far and away the best player in this years draft but currently ranked as #1 sounds about right. I hear there are a few tempting picks this year. Yakopov is just top of the heap. Beans even though you didn't outright say it, it was implied that a Russian #1 pick is always risky. Rightfully so as there is no long term security with a Russian players ability to walk out mid contract to a KHL contract, especially if the NHL doesn't dress players for the Olympics. And there is a lot of history were a Russian player being highly touted and not producing to potential in the big league. I myself still consider Yakopov to be the best fit for the Oilers, but understand the argument against.quote:
Originally posted by Guest1451
So Yakopov is unproven and untrustworthy because of his nationality but other teams would be willing to give Weber, Getzlaf or Semin for him? Hmm . . . not sure who but somebody is wrong. Been far and away the highest rated player coming in this year all season, won't cost Edmonton much (at least until his rookie contract expires,) and the only downside that I hear anyone providing is that he is Russian. Yeah, I'd take him. There are a few other Russian guys who have done pretty well despite their ancestry.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 11:43:01
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How does this statement imply that a Russian pick is always risky??
I still think there might be a Russian factor in that the Oilers have no other Russian players on their roster. This might mean the kid wouldn't be as happy playing here.
It's getting very annoying and frustrating to have to explain very clear statements repeatedly.
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Guest8875
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 16:59:20
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| I don't see the risk in picking Yakupov. I do however see the Oilers beeing weary because of past russain draft picks within and outside of the Oilers organization. However he has proven to want to be an NHLer. He has been playing in Canada for 2yrs making nothing when he could be playing in Russia and be able to retire already. He does this because he realizes that to be the best you have to be the best in the NHL. He wants that and I feel that alone is worth picking him. It proves he wants to be here to play and to win not to cash a cheque. |
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Guest8875
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 17:01:43
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Go Oilers! Go Nail!
And in case you guys didn't know, it is pronounced 'Nile' like the Egyptian river not Nail. Just saying... |
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mandree888
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 10:06:19
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so with all the rumors i have heard about the oilers recieving calls from burke here is my suggestion
DISCLAIMER!
this is meant as a joke and not meant to be taken seriosly. i do not expect nor do i encourage the oil to trade their number 1 pick
to the Oil
Riemer, shenn and macarthur
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 11:46:56
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May not have been your intent but thats how I viewed your comment. Why so defensive? I actually think it might be a good point.quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Interesting perspective Clatts. Although I agree that Eberle and RNH a better complete players than Hall, I think that the pure goal scoring and speed that Hall brings is important. Let's not forget that for as good of a season as Eberle had, Hall had just 7 fewer goals had played in 17 fewer games. Plus, Hall did that with a shoulder that required surgery. his goal scoring potential is at or near elite level. I think you are undervaluing Hall to the Oilers.
Obviously he needs to come back healthy but why give up Hall for Yakupov? You know what you can get out of Hall and Yakupov is an unknown. Another point that I was discussing with someone today is the Russian concern. Yakupov would be the only Russian playing for this Oilers. Is that a Concern? Maybe. Hall likes Edmonton and there is established chemistry with Eberle and Hopkins.
Hall is an untouchable in my opinion.
I would prefer to see the Oilers trade the top pick for that legit goalie.
I wonder how Kipper would look in orange and blue?
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Guest4807
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 12:21:57
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| At least you got a reply |
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Slantos
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 09:11:45
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I think a fair trade from Toronto would be Jake Gardiner, Jonas Gustavsson, and their 5th overall pick, for our 1st overall pick. Other than that, only Jack Johnson, and Columbus' 2nd pick, is the only way I would trade our pick.
Otherwise, I say wait till Yakupov turns into a Kovalchuk or Ovechkin, and then trade him for a stud puck moving d-man, a true #1 centerman, or maybe even our best option, just simply keep him... Then our top 6 would be BETTER than Chicago's, as we would have RNH, Hall, Eb's, Yakupov, Hemsky, and Gagner.
(And whoever we take with our top 5 pick next year, as we are going to be bad again, {unfortunately}, and if we finish bottom 5, we'll be in the lottery again, n if were lucky enough to get the first pick, we'll get the next Crosby [if there's ever going to be one] in Nathan MacKinnon! if that happens, watch out for a completely STACKED Oilers team!!!)
Also, the Oilers have already invested trades & picks for their defense. They have Whitney, Fedun, Petry, Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, and true shutdown d-men Smid and Schultz.
I ask you PLEASE Oilers fans, just be patient with me for 3 more years, THEN you can rightfully panic about our D, and goaltending... IF NEED BE!!!
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 15:50:21
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Originally posted by Slantos
I think a fair trade from Toronto would be Jake Gardiner, Jonas Gustavsson, and their 5th overall pick, for our 1st overall pick. Other than that, only Jack Johnson, and Columbus' 2nd pick, is the only way I would trade our pick.
Otherwise, I say wait till Yakupov turns into a Kovalchuk or Ovechkin, and then trade him for a stud puck moving d-man, a true #1 centerman, or maybe even our best option, just simply keep him... Then our top 6 would be BETTER than Chicago's, as we would have RNH, Hall, Eb's, Yakupov, Hemsky, and Gagner.
(And whoever we take with our top 5 pick next year, as we are going to be bad again, {unfortunately}, and if we finish bottom 5, we'll be in the lottery again, n if were lucky enough to get the first pick, we'll get the next Crosby [if there's ever going to be one] in Nathan MacKinnon! if that happens, watch out for a completely STACKED Oilers team!!!)
Also, the Oilers have already invested trades & picks for their defense. They have Whitney, Fedun, Petry, Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, and true shutdown d-men Smid and Schultz.
I ask you PLEASE Oilers fans, just be patient with me for 3 more years, THEN you can rightfully panic about our D, and goaltending... IF NEED BE!!!
JDC
That top 6 is no where near as good as the Chicago top 6
You think adding Yakapov would make you have a better top 2 lines than a team that got 27 points more than Edmonton. C'mon
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 16:20:03
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 16:21:06
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| You can't make that comment for a couple years, n we'll see who's powerplay is better next year.. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/21/2012 : 16:54:24
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If the Oil indeed add Yakupov as their first pick they will indeed have a top 6 that can go toe to toe with any in league as far as scoring goals. Problem will be that they are all very, very young and will need a to develop the consistency that the current top teams have.
Like I have stated earlier in this topic, Yakupov has the skills and abilities to be a 50 goal scorer. His biggest flaw would be on the defensive side of the puck, but matched with the right linemates and he will do fine. I have watched him alot in his two years in the OHL and he has been one of the most dynamic players to play in the OHL in recent years. Probably since Stamkos. In fact I don't think I would be totally wrong in saying he could potentially be as good a scorer as Stamkos is.
The Oil are going to be very dangerous in the very near future.
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 10:56:46
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Ryan Kennedy of 'The Hockey News' has suggested that the Oilers swap first-rounders with the Leafs (#5 overall) for Carl Gunnarsson, and hope that Murray is still available. How do you like them apples, Leafers?
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 14:05:45
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Ryan Kennedy of 'The Hockey News' has suggested that the Oilers swap first-rounders with the Leafs (#5 overall) for Carl Gunnarsson, and hope that Murray is still available. How do you like them apples, Leafers?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2013.
That would depend on the Oilers "wanting" a puck moving dman, which at this point could very well be the case. I would think they'd prob want to make sure their guy (in this case Murray) would still be available though. That wouldn't necessarily be easy though. They could very well make a similar deal with one of the teams in the 2, 3 or 4 spot? |
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 14:39:47
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That trade would be mind-bogglingly bad for Edmonton. They could get a lot more value out of the number one pick. They could trade down 1 spot with Columbus (who would surely take Nail) and get Murray + their second pick or a prospect D in their system.
Montreal and NYI would also make sense, and you can get a good defensive prospect and still be nearly guaranteed to end up with Murray. If he's number two on Edmonton's board, they should definitely trade the pick. They have an embarassment of riches up front, and you need a more balanced team to win cups. I just think you can get a whole lot more than Gunnarson if you're going to trade the #1. Alternatively, though, they could always just pick Nail and try and trade Gagner or Hall for defensemen as well. |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 15:13:41
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That trade would be mind-bogglingly bad for Edmonton. They could get a lot more value out of the number one pick. They could trade down 1 spot with Columbus (who would surely take Nail) and get Murray + their second pick or a prospect D in their system.
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Well put. My source is accurate, although I disagree with it. Just wanted to see if I could get some Leafs' fans all hot and bothered about the possibility.
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mandree888
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Posted - 05/01/2012 : 08:33:42
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lol oil i actually would take that. dont get me wrong i dont mind gunnarson but the leafs have some young blue line talent that could make the team this year. moving a dman lets them bring in that talent.
although i dont think the leafs will do that because burke is out for the elusive number 1 goalie and number 1 centre. not a young (albeit amazingly talented) winger. |
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Guest4315
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 18:37:00
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Only trade that makes sense for the Oilers that anyone posted is: #1 to Columbus for #2 and Jack Johnson. However Jack Johnson went 2nd Overall so that's a #1 for 2 #2's, one who has developed into a top NHL defensemen. Columbus would surely ask for some more. Maybe Omark who wants to be traded.
Whoever is saying trade Hall or even Gagner is a drunk idiot. Gagner has developed to play in any position and had and 8 point game this year. Also he is our best faceoff man. Hall getting traded just makes me laugh. The Edmonton fans will not approve. Edmonton has the best fan base in hockey. Only forwards getting traded would be Omark, Hemsky, maybe Paajarvi and hopefully Horcoff. Other then that bottom 6 forwards may move as well. But anyone who wants Hall or Gagner will have to give up too much and their left nut... |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/04/2012 : 19:59:39
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Originally posted by Guest4315
Only trade that makes sense for the Oilers that anyone posted is: #1 to Columbus for #2 and Jack Johnson. However Jack Johnson went 2nd Overall so that's a #1 for 2 #2's, one who has developed into a top NHL defensemen. Columbus would surely ask for some more. Maybe Omark who wants to be traded.
Whoever is saying trade Hall or even Gagner is a drunk idiot. Gagner has developed to play in any position and had and 8 point game this year. Also he is our best faceoff man. Hall getting traded just makes me laugh. The Edmonton fans will not approve. Edmonton has the best fan base in hockey. Only forwards getting traded would be Omark, Hemsky, maybe Paajarvi and hopefully Horcoff. Other then that bottom 6 forwards may move as well. But anyone who wants Hall or Gagner will have to give up too much and their left nut...
No offense, but that's a pretty biased post. First off, i think J. Johnson AND the #2 is pretty steep, but if CBJ wants Yakupov bad enough, maybe they'd do it? On a similar note, how about Subban and the #3 for the #1 pick?
Second, what's the proposed Gagner or Hall trade you speak of regarding the "drunk idiots"? How about Hall and Gagner for Giroux and Voracek? Surely you'd be okay with something like that, no? Would you be okay with Gagner and the #1 for JJ and the #2? Just wondering about the comment regarding trading those two guys? Surely they're not "untouchables" as far as the Oilers are concerned?
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Posted - 05/05/2012 : 18:22:56
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Guest4315
Only trade that makes sense for the Oilers that anyone posted is: #1 to Columbus for #2 and Jack Johnson. However Jack Johnson went 2nd Overall so that's a #1 for 2 #2's, one who has developed into a top NHL defensemen. Columbus would surely ask for some more. Maybe Omark who wants to be traded.
Whoever is saying trade Hall or even Gagner is a drunk idiot. Gagner has developed to play in any position and had and 8 point game this year. Also he is our best faceoff man. Hall getting traded just makes me laugh. The Edmonton fans will not approve. Edmonton has the best fan base in hockey. Only forwards getting traded would be Omark, Hemsky, maybe Paajarvi and hopefully Horcoff. Other then that bottom 6 forwards may move as well. But anyone who wants Hall or Gagner will have to give up too much and their left nut...
No offense, but that's a pretty biased post. First off, i think J. Johnson AND the #2 is pretty steep, but if CBJ wants Yakupov bad enough, maybe they'd do it? On a similar note, how about Subban and the #3 for the #1 pick?
Second, what's the proposed Gagner or Hall trade you speak of regarding the "drunk idiots"? How about Hall and Gagner for Giroux and Voracek? Surely you'd be okay with something like that, no? Would you be okay with Gagner and the #1 for JJ and the #2? Just wondering about the comment regarding trading those two guys? Surely they're not "untouchables" as far as the Oilers are concerned?
Luckily i don't like either of them to offer up a nut if i were a GM.
I believe I said the only thing close was the Jack Johnson trade. Probaly have to throw in Omark. Maybe you can`t read. Subban and the 3rd pick maybe but I would rather have a Stamkos or Bure type player then that. You think Philly would trade Giroux, seriously? Giroux has more points in the playoffs then any player right now. He is still cheap as he has not had to resign yet. I bet Giroux goes top 3 in most hockey pools next year. So you must be joking then, right? My point is to get Hall or Gagner the price will be too steep. I never said they are untouchable`s. The fan`s here in Edmonton love these guys. I have seen enough in the news to know their value according to the management. The direction the team is going is up even if the Oil make no moves in the offseason. Therfore there is no reason to tamper with anything. Especially with another 1st pick. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/05/2012 : 22:37:21
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Originally posted by Guest4315
I believe I said the only thing close was the Jack Johnson trade. Probaly have to throw in Omark. Maybe you can`t read.
Maybe you can't spell? BTW, apparently Slantos doesn't think i can either, so at least you're not alone. 
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Originally posted by Guest4315
Subban and the 3rd pick maybe but I would rather have a Stamkos or Bure type player then that. You think Philly would trade Giroux, seriously? Giroux has more points in the playoffs then any player right now. He is still cheap as he has not had to resign yet. I bet Giroux goes top 3 in most hockey pools next year. So you must be joking then, right? My point is to get Hall or Gagner the price will be too steep. I never said they are untouchable`s. The fan`s here in Edmonton love these guys. I have seen enough in the news to know their value according to the management. The direction the team is going is up even if the Oil make no moves in the offseason. Therfore there is no reason to tamper with anything. Especially with another 1st pick.
My suggestion of the Giroux trade was not serious, it was facetious actually. Apparently i'm not the only one who can't read. Hey pot, meet kettle. 
Lemme try to clear up what i was saying. I don't believe for a second that Hall and Gagner are untouchables. You seemed to imply that they were, at least that's the way i read it, of course, that brings us back to whether or not i can read. Let's not get off topic, so if you feel the need, you could start a new thread for Alex116's reading level i suppose?
Now, before you freak out, i did notice in your last post that you claim you never said they were untouchables. You're right, you didn't, but go back and read your other post and you'll see where it was implied, at least as far as you're concerned.
That's all, that was my point anyway, and if it's any consolation, i agree that Giroux will go top 3 in a lot of drafts next year. Hey we agree, maybe we CAN get along? |
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Guest4315
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Posted - 05/06/2012 : 13:53:14
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Originally posted by Alex116
My suggestion of the Giroux trade was not serious, it was facetious actually. Apparently i'm not the only one who can't read. Hey pot, meet kettle.
Lemme try to clear up what i was saying. I don't believe for a second that Hall and Gagner are untouchables. You seemed to imply that they were, at least that's the way i read it, of course, that brings us back to whether or not i can read. Let's not get off topic, so if you feel the need, you could start a new thread for Alex116's reading level i suppose?
Now, before you freak out, i did notice in your last post that you claim you never said they were untouchables. You're right, you didn't, but go back and read your other post and you'll see where it was implied, at least as far as you're concerned.
That's all, that was my point anyway, and if it's any consolation, i agree that Giroux will go top 3 in a lot of drafts next year. Hey we agree, maybe we CAN get along?
Ahh Alex, you must like to debate/argue. I simply was stating how it is here in Edmonton. As I was born and raised here and actually know hockey here. Of course no one is untouchable in hockey but if any Oiler was untouchable Hall certainly would be one of them. If you can't understand my exaggeration from when I implied the price would be too steep then you are reading into it too much. If there is anything I have learned in Life it is that nothing is "untouchable". Not even the characters portrayed in the movie "The Untouchable's". You talk of how i spelled probably incorrect but at least I am using words in the english language. Not that I care, I understand you and that is the point of communicating. So stop nit picking and stick to the point or my next thread will simply be a poll asking "Is Alex [Mod Edit-Inappropriate Language]?, Yes or No." My whole point is what makes sense for Edmonton. As a team moving forward with a rebuild and what has great potential in the pipes the other trades would not make sense. That is what I was stating. If you feel the need to reply on topic suggest a trade you think will make sense and I as an Oilers fan will let you know my input. If you choose to reply simply to debate/argue then I will simply not respond as talking with you would then prove pointless. Go L.A. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/06/2012 : 19:15:00
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Firstly guest, watch the language please. Please see the forum guidelines if you have any questions on what is appropriate.
Secondly, I am in Edmonton. Born here and live here today. I've been an Oilers fan for 30 years. I remember the good times and bad times and I have what I would consider a pretty solid opinion about the Oilers. I have to say that I strongly disagree with you. No one is untouchable on the roster. Also, most fans were calling for Gagner's head prior to the 8 pt game and frankly, only the uneducated fans think anything more of him after that. I agree that he is a decent 2nd line NHLer. But, if he could be packaged in a trade for a legit top teir defencemen or true #1 goalie it would be dumb to not make that move.
As far as Hall goes, he is not likely going anywhere. However, if Yakupov is drafted and turns out to be as good as projected, Hall would be expendable. He is far more valuable than Gagner, but again, that elite defensemen or #1 Keeper is key.
Without those pieces of the puzzle, all the Halls and Gagners are irrelevant.
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