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Guest4315
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 Posted - 05/06/2012 : 20:10:12
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Originally posted by Beans15
Firstly guest, watch the language please. Please see the forum guidelines if you have any questions on what is appropriate.
Secondly, I am in Edmonton. Born here and live here today. I've been an Oilers fan for 30 years. I remember the good times and bad times and I have what I would consider a pretty solid opinion about the Oilers. I have to say that I strongly disagree with you. No one is untouchable on the roster. Also, most fans were calling for Gagner's head prior to the 8 pt game and frankly, only the uneducated fans think anything more of him after that. I agree that he is a decent 2nd line NHLer. But, if he could be packaged in a trade for a legit top teir defencemen or true #1 goalie it would be dumb to not make that move.
As far as Hall goes, he is not likely going anywhere. However, if Yakupov is drafted and turns out to be as good as projected, Hall would be expendable. He is far more valuable than Gagner, but again, that elite defensemen or #1 Keeper is key.
Without those pieces of the puzzle, all the Halls and Gagners are irrelevant.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
Sorry about the language Beans, didn't realize that was that bad. I never once said that Hall or Gagner is untouchable only that the price for them is too steep. I'm not sure how you can call me uneducated with regards to Gagner. Most fans who 'were calling for Gagner's head' were uneducated. If your such a fan then surely you would of noticed how well he has developed. Ignore the 8 point game all you want, still he has been one of our best face-off men and can play great on either wing or center. To give up on him now would be too lose another player built here. One who is just hitting his prime. How many great players have the Oilers built Beans? Obviously a Star goaltender or defensemen would be great but we have other assets that would go first. Like Omark who wants to be top 6 somewhere. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/06/2012 : 22:13:58
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Ok guest, let's dance:
- you say Sam Gagner is a good face off guy. Help me understand the value of a player who ranked 71st out of the 89 NHL players who met the criteria for face offs? Three Oiler players qualitified for that list: Horcoff, Belanger,and Gagner. Guess who was the worst?
- even with Gagner's 8 pt effort and the streak around that time he did not rank in the top 100 in any offensive category when compared to all forwards in the NHL. Considering 14 of his 47 pts came in 4 games, he would not have ranked in the top 150 in forwards scoring. He is an offensive player who does not kill penalties and is not a shut down player. So, his value is scoring.
- Gagner had 25 pts in the last 27 games. This was when he was playing mostly with line combinations involving Eberle, Hall, and Hopkins. That also means he had a whopping 20 pts in the 48 games when he wasn't playing with those guy. So who was responsible for the improvement?
Like is said, I don't think Gagner is a poor player. But don't make him out to be. Better than what he is. Sam Gagner is an undersized, slightly above average 2nd line offensive centre. I don't care if he was drafted by and developed by the Oilers. He is expendable if a top teir defensemen or #1 goalie can be found.
If you take Gagner off the team and add in a top teir defensemen, the team is better.
That makes Gagner expendable.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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Alex116
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Posted - 05/07/2012 : 00:01:54
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Originally posted by Guest4315
Ahh Alex, you must like to debate/argue. I simply was stating how it is here in Edmonton. As I was born and raised here and actually know hockey here. Of course no one is untouchable in hockey but if any Oiler was untouchable Hall certainly would be one of them. If you can't understand my exaggeration from when I implied the price would be too steep then you are reading into it too much. If there is anything I have learned in Life it is that nothing is "untouchable". Not even the characters portrayed in the movie "The Untouchable's". You talk of how i spelled probably incorrect but at least I am using words in the english language. Not that I care, I understand you and that is the point of communicating. So stop nit picking and stick to the point or my next thread will simply be a poll asking "Is Alex [Mod Edit-Inappropriate Language]?, Yes or No." My whole point is what makes sense for Edmonton. As a team moving forward with a rebuild and what has great potential in the pipes the other trades would not make sense. That is what I was stating. If you feel the need to reply on topic suggest a trade you think will make sense and I as an Oilers fan will let you know my input. If you choose to reply simply to debate/argue then I will simply not respond as talking with you would then prove pointless. Go L.A.
Yes, in fact i do like to debate. I prefer when it stays civil mind you and usually only respond in a negative way when someone does so to me by asking things such as "can i read" and "am i (mod edit)???
If i offended you somehow anyway, i apologize. My whole point was that IMO, i think you're overvaluing Gagner, especially when one of your arguments is his 8pt game. Again, that's just my opinion.
As far as replying to me or not, i'm not gonna sweat it.  I already suggested a trade with Subban and you already replied to it and from what i read, i think you were saying that you'd rather have Yakupov than Subban and the 3rd. That's fine, but that imo, makes Hall even more expendable as the Oilers have an abundance of young skilled forwards and have needs elsewhere.
BTW, i hope you don't think i don't like Hall or don't consider him a good player who could one day be a stud? I'm high on him actually, but that's my whole point, he's bound to bring a nice return which might help the Oilers in the long run.
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Oil get #1 Pick Again! 
