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Alex116
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 Posted - 04/14/2012 : 17:33:50
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Anyone see Carkner take out Brian Boyle with a sucker punch, followed by a handful more punches to the head once he was on the ground more or less defenseless?
Apparently, it was well known that something was gonna go down as the Sens were furious with the way Karlsson got worked over in game 1 by Boyle? I didn't see it so i can't comment.
Regardless, Shanny's got another incident on his plate and even though Boyle returned to the game, i'd have to say that Carkner will be suspended. Easy suspension of course for Shanny as this isn't a guy in the Shea Weber category.
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Beans15
Moderator
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 17:51:19
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This whole game is pretty gross. Lots of head hunting. Three game misconducts and penalties up the wazoo!
Shanahan is goinge to be very busy looking of the tapes. I expect a few fines, maybe a suspension, and a couple of very clear warnings to both teams.
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 18:24:46
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Carkner is gross!
Hanglins hit Alfie didn't look too bad to me
Karlsson went down like a sack of bricks when prust rubbed his arm against him racing for a puck, then Karlsson scores right away. Looked like a dive to me
Boyle gets the last laugh as he scores the go ahead goal
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Open_Ice
Rookie
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 19:44:51
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Sens get the last laugh as they win the game!
I agree with CBC, only suspension coming is for Hagelin. |
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:14:20
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The Haglin hit didn't look that bad to me, i haven't seen a replay since right after but at the time of the hit i thought Alfie could have defended himself better.
I think Carkner should get a suspension you can't push a guy up against the bored and unload punches on him while he has his hands at his side.
If Carkner thinks he's tough he should try to fight someone not sucker punch them.
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:19:47
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Originally posted by Clatts
The Haglin hit didn't look that bad to me, i haven't seen a replay since right after but at the time of the hit i thought Alfie could have defended himself better.
I think Carkner should get a suspension you can't push a guy up against the bored and unload punches on him while he has his hands at his side.
If Carkner thinks he's tough he should try to fight someone not sucker punch them.
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
Are you s***ting me? That hit was a clear elbow to the head don't know how much worse it can get. As for Carkner it had to be done to let the Rangers know you can't just push around Karlsson like that. If he gets suspended who care? It's Carkner.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:21:24
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Originally posted by Alex116
Anyone see Carkner take out Brian Boyle with a sucker punch, followed by a handful more punches to the head once he was on the ground more or less defenseless?
Apparently, it was well known that something was gonna go down as the Sens were furious with the way Karlsson got worked over in game 1 by Boyle? I didn't see it so i can't comment.
Regardless, Shanny's got another incident on his plate and even though Boyle returned to the game, i'd have to say that Carkner will be suspended. Easy suspension of course for Shanny as this isn't a guy in the Shea Weber category.
Alex remeber Marchand punching Sedin in the face? That's pretty much what the Boyle/Karlsson thing was.
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Guest8048
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:23:56
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Originally posted by Clatts
The Haglin hit didn't look that bad to me, i haven't seen a replay since right after but at the time of the hit i thought Alfie could have defended himself better.
I think Carkner should get a suspension you can't push a guy up against the bored and unload punches on him while he has his hands at his side.
If Carkner thinks he's tough he should try to fight someone not sucker punch them.
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
Hey I am crying foul here! Alfredson could protected himself better, Karlson dove and Hagelins hit didnt look to bad to you while jarring Carkner for protecting his best players from a goon! Clatts give your head a shake. Turris was targeted in the head for most of the night and Karlson was being gooned the same way Hagelin targeted Alfredsons head. Hagelin was following his head movements and only put his elbow up when Alfredsons head stopped moving. Either you really hate the Ottawa Senator or you are watching a different channel. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:40:41
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There was head hunting and hits to the head from both sides. Don't kid yourself, there were a PILE of missed calls against the Sens. This was easily the poorest officiated game I have watched In as far back as I can remember.
The Haglin hit was as ugly as they come and the comment about Alfredsson being able to protect himself better is absurd. A player should never have to protect themselves from an elbow directly to the head.
In the same context, Clarkner's repeated sucker punches were a joke. The bigger joke was as Sens fans pointed out as it's Clarkner. A long suspension would mean nothing to the Sens.
To me, the Sens instigated this crap and I think it was a planned, premeditated attack on Boyle. The entire team should be punished but it is the NHL so expect little negative impact to either team.
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 21:03:54
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Like I said I didn't think it looked that bad while I was watching the game, I went back and watched the replay
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=627879
I admit it was worse than I initially thought, however Carkners attack was just as bad.
And I still stand by the Karlsson dove. He fell acted hurt, replay showed he just got out muscled out.
I'm not a Rangers fan or a Sens hater, in fact I haven't seen either team play this year except NY at the saddle dome, game 1 of this series and the winter classic.
I agree with Beans the Sens started this nosense
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 22:57:58
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Hit the nail of the head on Karlsson there Clatts. He was flopping and embellishing all over the place. For all the accolades and how highly touted his kid is he sure doesn't play a honorable game does he? At least not in my opinion.
And I was cheering for the Sens! I can't anymore. I have no tolerance for that kind of game.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 01:13:26
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Damn, i've seen very little of this series other than highlights. Any clips of Karlsson auditioning for the Canucks flopping and embelishing?
The Hagelin hit was definitely suspendable. Not just cuz he's a rookie, but because the hit was deplorable!
Sensfan...."it had to be done"? C'mon...... I'm all for a little retribution, but that was disgusting. Carkner's glove was off even for the first of many sucker punches. Retribution to me needs to be done the way Bertuzzi went after Weber. A clean, fair fight. This incident reminds me of the original Bertuzzi on Moore sucker punch, just with a better outcome.
Beans.... sometimes a player has to protect himself better. Just ask curly2eight over in the "D. Keith, how many games" thread!  Apparently Daniel Sedin should have protected himself better as well.
Just saw the highlites againg. Pretty rough game for sure! Still didn't see a lot of Karlsson diving/flopping but not saying it's being fabricated either. I'll def be trying my best to see game 3, that's for sure. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 05:01:41
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Originally posted by Beans15
Hit the nail of the head on Karlsson there Clatts. He was flopping and embellishing all over the place. For all the accolades and how highly touted his kid is he sure doesn't play a honorable game does he? At least not in my opinion.
And I was cheering for the Sens! I can't anymore. I have no tolerance for that kind of game.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
Rewatch the play where you assume Karlson is diving. Ranger player has his arms wrapped around him and the butt end of the stick is in his face. Karlson raises his arms to protect his face and the Ranger player drags him to the ground. It happens fast but it wasn't an imbelishment. The kid was trying to protect his face and got gooned.
Carkner was put in the lineup for a reason. He only had 2 minutes to do what he came to do and suspension or no suspension he did his job. Make a Ranger player pay for gooning his teams star player in game one. This was a rough game both teams played it hard and dirty. Just hate when a poster see's it one way and not the other.
Im just happy the Senator's have the lineup to answer the physical Rangers as they both forcheck and get under the other teams skin. I thought both goalies played amazing and both teams looked sloppy with the puck. Who can blame them with all that hitting, I'd be playing hot potatoe to with the puck. Based on the scoresheet the tough guys and enforcers made major impacts for both teams. |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 05:26:30
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Really Sensfan, it had to be done. An outright sucker punch to the head. That is a little absurd. Carkner pretty much Bertuzzi'd him except it was not from behind. You are right on one thing, its Carkner who probably was not going to dress for the rest of the series anyways.
Hagelin hit on Alfie was just pure elbow, did not look intentional because Alfie does duck a bit, but a nasty elbow all the same.
Have to agree that the Refs were almost non-existent for that game.
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 05:34:42
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I did not mean the sucker punches I agree that's not cool but Boyle had to be fought and that's what Carkner did. He was probabley expecting Boyle to fight back but it certainly didn't stop him when he didn't.
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 05:53:50
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Porkchop, this wasn't a sucker punch, he checked him, dropped the gloves and leveled him. Commentators were saying before the game Carkner was vocal about what he was gonna do to Boyle in the warm up. Boyle just didn't want to fight. Boyle had no problem feeding Karlson in the first game with a series of punches and didnt even drop the gloves to challenge him. Boyle deserved what he got and hope the lessen has been learned. I am not on the side of gooning a player but this was a clear tit for tat situation and how Ottawa has to compete against the Rangersquote:
Originally posted by Porkchop73
Really Sensfan, it had to be done. An outright sucker punch to the head. That is a little absurd. Carkner pretty much Bertuzzi'd him except it was not from behind. You are right on one thing, its Carkner who probably was not going to dress for the rest of the series anyways.
Hagelin hit on Alfie was just pure elbow, did not look intentional because Alfie does duck a bit, but a nasty elbow all the same.
Have to agree that the Refs were almost non-existent for that game.
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 06:50:07
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By Sens fans logic if New York dresses John Scott and in warm up he makes his intentions clear to Spezza or Neil or whoever that he wants to fight then the first time they met on the ice he pushes them up against the boards and starts 'fighting' them he is just 'doing his job'?
I have a feeling you would be up in arms asking for John Scott and Torts Career
I stand by Karlsson's dive, i understand there was contact on the play but no where near enough to lay out on the ice holding your head. He must have been hurt when he was back out 20 seconds later scoring a goal
This is Playoff HOCKEY not World Cup SOCCER
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Guest4583
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 08:35:47
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Originally posted by Clatts
Carkner is gross!
Hanglins hit Alfie didn't look too bad to me
Karlsson went down like a sack of bricks when prust rubbed his arm against him racing for a puck, then Karlsson scores right away. Looked like a dive to me
Boyle gets the last laugh as he scores the go ahead goal
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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Hit on alfie was a elbow straight to the head----but it didnt look bad to you haha |
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Guest3583
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 08:54:51
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clatts you obviously didnt watch game 1 and 2, because carkner didnt just come out of nowhere to come after boyle... And by the way boyle isnt exactly the superstar of the rangers, not like he targeted gaborik or richards. He went after boyle because he punched karlsson in the head a few times in game 1.
So if one of the sens took a couple punches to gaborik or richards head then id be fine with them suiting up john scott and getting back at us, thats just normal bud. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 09:26:01
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I watched games 1 and 2 both and the Clarkner sucker punches were just that. Sucker punches. Boyle smacking Karlsson around with his gloves on with no Senator player coming to his aid is no excuse for a Clarkson to engage Boyle, drop his gloves, and repeatedly punch Boyle in the face while Boyle's hands we by his side and he did not drop his groves at all.
Frankly, this Senator bias is gross. If this had been literally any player in the NHL who had went up to Karslsson or Spezza or Alfredsson and punched them in the face as Clarkson did to Boyle, you all would be asking for the guys career.
I don't recall who said it, but this was close to the Bertuzzi situation without the blindside attack. Ironically, Bertuzzi did handle the situation with Weber exact as most fans would want to see. Engage, discuss, and BOTH players drop the mitts.
What Clarkson did is appalling and Sens fans trying to support it is a joke. Call a spade a spade. If Karlsson is getting knocked around then I agree whole hearty to knock back. But this was not knocking back.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 09:34:38
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Porkchop, this wasn't a sucker punch, he checked him, dropped the gloves and leveled him
When you do that, and the other player doesn't fight back (because he's flat on his a$$ after the check), thats a "sucker punch". It was pretty gutless and cheap. |
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MattBostelaar
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 10:24:09
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Boyle didn't wanna fight...Carks gave him ample opportunity but he declined...Carks didn't care.
After the last game didn't someone ask Boyle what Karlsson did to deserve to be punched in the face like that and Boyle answered with "Nothing".
It's not something that really should happen, but it was nice to see the Sens not get pushed around. A lot different then the days of the Leafs playing dirty and the Sens just taking it.
Game 3 will be fantastic.
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 11:10:36
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Obviously Sens fans can't be argued with if they think Carkner was not only justified in his attack but gave Boyle ample opportunity to fight back.
Fact is the Sens can't match up with the Rangers in skill so they are going to try to bully there way through the series
Guest 5383 - so Boyles not a star he is at least better than Neil, who I stated in my comment. Boyle has 2 goals in this series as well,that dosn't say much for the defence/goaltending of the Sens.
As far as guest 4583...read there entire thread before you post
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Guest9669
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:07:42
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This kind of officiating doesn't really surprise me, it was the same in last year's playoffs. I think this kind of 'let them play' officiating is one of the reasons that Boston won the cup last year.
If I recall correctly, there were no penalties called for either team in game 7 vs Tampa Bay, and I don't think I need to compare the toughness of Boston and Vancouver.
If the refs aren't calling a lot of penalties, it can only benefit the tougher team that is more used to playing with a rougher style. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:12:21
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Porkchop, this wasn't a sucker punch, he checked him, dropped the gloves and leveled him.
WTF? Joshua, i have to say, if that is really your opinion, then you have a lot to learn. If that's not a sucker punch, please fill us in as to what one consists of in the world of Ottawa!
Seriously, i'm not a fan of either team, so my opinion is not the slightest bit biased, but what he did was absolutely ridiculous. I understand the whole "that' what he was there to do" and "get retribution" stuff, but the way he did it was absolutely chicken sh$%. I hope the Sens as an organization get punished for this as it's clearly a premeditated attack. If not, why not just have a guy like Konopka or Neil do the sucker punching? Why? Maybe because Konopka and Neil actually play roles worthy of something on the team? Maybe because they knew if someone did something so barbaric and stupid that he'd prob get suspended? I honestly don't know what's worse, what Carkner did, or ANYONE defending what he did as "necessary", "ok", "deserved", etc....
After Daniel Sedin taking 5 or 6 similar punches last year from Marchand, i was fuming! But at no point would i have defended a Canuck if he sucker punched Marchand like that! Don't get me wrong, i'd prob have loved to have seen it happen, but rather than say "oh, it wasn't a sucker punch, Marchand should have fought back", i'd have been saying, "ouch, that's pretty bad, and obviously suspendable, but i love the fact he did it cuz i hate that little pr*%# so much"!
Joshua, tell us you liked what happened, but don't tell us it wasn't a sucker punch!!! |
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spade632
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:38:06
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A fight is one thing, Carkner's beatdown was beyond the pale.
Hit the guy, paste him into the boards (legally), or have a good one--on-one fight but unloading on a guy ESPECIALLY after he goes down is cheap. Of course, the best revenge is winning the series.
Also, @Beans quote:
A player should never have to protect themselves from an elbow directly to the head.
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:55:35
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| Spade, spot on! If the sucker punch that dropped him wasn't bad enough, the series of blows AFTER he was already down (and who knew at that point if he was even concious?) was sick. WAY overboard! |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 15:02:53
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Holy Moses JoshuaCanada. Not a sucker punch! Next your gonna tell me that a one legged duck doesn't swim in circles.
At least Sensfan made sense with his retort. I would agree someone had to send a message to Boyle for his actions on Karlsson but they could have done it the proper way. So that would have excluded Neil cause he would have jumped him too.
Also I must point out that when Boyle "punched" Karlsson he didn't even take his gloves off in the replay I watched. Unless someone has one where Karlsson got sucker punched i can't find one that shows Boyle sucker punching Karlsson.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 15:29:35
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Holy Moses JoshuaCanada. Not a sucker punch! Next your gonna tell me that a one legged duck doesn't swim in circles.
At least Sensfan made sense with his retort. I would agree someone had to send a message to Boyle for his actions on Karlsson but they could have done it the proper way. So that would have excluded Neil cause he would have jumped him too.
Also I must point out that when Boyle "punched" Karlsson he didn't even take his gloves off in the replay I watched. Unless someone has one where Karlsson got sucker punched i can't find one that shows Boyle sucker punching Karlsson.
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For a Sens fan you seem to hate them pretty much.
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 15:40:01
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Holy Moses JoshuaCanada. Not a sucker punch! Next your gonna tell me that a one legged duck doesn't swim in circles.
At least Sensfan made sense with his retort. I would agree someone had to send a message to Boyle for his actions on Karlsson but they could have done it the proper way. So that would have excluded Neil cause he would have jumped him too.
Also I must point out that when Boyle "punched" Karlsson he didn't even take his gloves off in the replay I watched. Unless someone has one where Karlsson got sucker punched i can't find one that shows Boyle sucker punching Karlsson.
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For a Sens fan you seem to hate them pretty much.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
You know Sensfan, I was not going to post on any topics til the end of the playoffs because of this ridiculous logo and signature. But a bet is a bet and some topics are irresistable.
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Guest4377
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 17:14:06
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Carl Hagelin has been suspended three games for his high elbow on Alfredsson.
Nothing (yet?) for Carkner!
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:06:44
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Originally posted by Guest4377
Carl Hagelin has been suspended three games for his high elbow on Alfredsson.
Nothing (yet?) for Carkner!
I thought he'd get 2 only because that's what Bitz got for nailing Clifford. I guess it's the league's way of saying "Alfredsson is worth more than Clifford"? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:15:08
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So Haglin, a rookie with no history of dirty play, gets 3 games for the elbow on Alfredsson. Clarkson, a repeat offender who has done this type of thing before, punches Boyle no fewer than 8 times in the head and gets one game?
I guess the only thing that matters in the NHL is the injury.
What a joke. Shanahan, you have lost the respect of at least on fan.
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:16:06
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WOW! Carkner only got 1 game. I'm surprised, though i prob shouldnt' be as the NHL/Shanny still seem to have problems with consistency and such, as imo, this was 100% premeditated!
Doesn't matter really either way though, it's unlikely that Carkner will play much of a role if he's even dressed again in this series! |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:23:44
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Originally posted by Beans15
So Haglin, a rookie with no history of dirty play, gets 3 games for the elbow on Alfredsson. Clarkson, a repeat offender who has done this type of thing before, punches Boyle no fewer than 8 times in the head and gets one game?
I guess the only thing that matters in the NHL is the injury.
What a joke. Shanahan, you have lost the respect of at least on fan.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
Actually Beans Carkner (not Clarkner or Clarkson) has never been suspended before so he is not really a repeat offender.
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:26:34
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This is Bulls**t. Only 1 game for Carkner sets a pretty bad precedent for the remainder of the playoffs. I think we will see more attacks like this if he only gets one game.
I saw Carkners interview on TSN he said because Boyle is 6'7'' 250lbs he thought he would defend himself....Pathetic.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:29:26
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If I got the name wrong I alpologize but I am pretty sure you knew who I was talking about.
And the Shanahan video did refer to him as a repeat offender. A guy doesn't have to have been suspended to be a repeat offender.
It gross that a player who made a hockey play but delivered a dirty hit in the process and has no history of dirty play gets more of a suspension than a player who has a past and was not even close to making. A hockey play.
It's even more appalling that some fans are actually trying to support the play.
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 18:29:46
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
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Originally posted by Beans15
So Haglin, a rookie with no history of dirty play, gets 3 games for the elbow on Alfredsson. Clarkson, a repeat offender who has done this type of thing before, punches Boyle no fewer than 8 times in the head and gets one game?
I guess the only thing that matters in the NHL is the injury.
What a joke. Shanahan, you have lost the respect of at least on fan.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
Actually Beans Carkner (not Clarkner or Clarkson) has never been suspended before so he is not really a repeat offender.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=628018
He was fined for a similar act causing injury therefore he is a repeat offender.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 19:13:40
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I see I was just checking his player profile on Tsn which only shows suspensions.
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Guest4377
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 20:12:31
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As mentioned, game two in this series was very nasty, and it appears to be a spill-over from what Brian Boyle did to Erik Karlsson in game one. And from Ottawa's perpective, they wanted retribution.
Starting with the Boyle-Karlsson incident first, Boyle is a 6'7" 250 lb. bully, and while he roughed up Ottawa's rookie defenseman star in the first game, Boyle really only threw a few inconsequential paw punches at Karlsson. There were no hay-makers thrown, more the kind of swats to send a message than do any real damage.
Boyle should not have been surprised to be a target in game two though, especially when he saw Ottawa's insertions in the line-up, most notably Matt Carkner.
It didn't take Carkner long to pounce, and that he did. He's lucky (?) Boyle wasn't seriously injured, and so was Boyle. Can you imagine if Boyle would have been knocked unconscious (or worse)? And while I understand Brandon Dubinsky flying in to help his downed teammate, what if he knocked out unsuspecting Matt Carkner as the third man in?
These incidences are so close to being either just a bump or bruise OR someone getting very seriously hurt.
I suppose it's exciting for the fans, but Carkner's attack could have literally ended up being an assault, not unlike what happened when Todd Bertuzzi sucker-punched Steve Moore years ago.
When you have 200 lb.+ professional athletes throwing punches at full force, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt (or worse), especially when the other player is unprepared or unwilling in such battles.
In this case, Boyle was unscathed, and in doling out the one-game suspension, Shanahan (and the league) considered this as a factor. I don't agree. There are many incidences on the ice where a player gets up uninjured (i.e. Brian Boyle), but the league should look more at the infraction itself or intent.
I'm not comparing Carkner's transgression to Bertuzzi's, but both players delivered sucker punch kind of blows on an unsuspecting player. Bertuzzi actually only delivered one punch, while Carkner landed 7-8 punches. Can you imagine if you exchanged the resulting injuries with these two instances?
I'm not going to suggest that Bertuzzi was overly punished for what he did to Steve Moore, but there are so many transgressions on the ice which could produce a similar outcome, including Carkner on Boyle. So for Carkner to only get one game is light in my opinion.
Believe it or not, I'm pulling for the Senators (I like the Canadian teams), but in this case, I think Carkner should have been given a more serious suspension. But I also think Boyle (and the Rangers) took liberties in the first game, and when the league (and officials) don't keep things under control, players (and teams) do what they do.
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/15/2012 : 20:30:04
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Originally posted by Guest4377
As mentioned, game two in this series was very nasty, and it appears to be a spill-over from what Brian Boyle did to Erik Karlsson in game one. And from Ottawa's perpective, they wanted retribution.
Starting with the Boyle-Karlsson incident first, Boyle is a 6'7" 250 lb. bully, and while he roughed up Ottawa's rookie defenseman star in the first game, Boyle really only threw a few inconsequential paw punches at Karlsson. There were no hay-makers thrown, more the kind of swats to send a message than do any real damage.
Boyle should not have been surprised to be a target in game two though, especially when he saw Ottawa's insertions in the line-up, most notably Matt Carkner.
It didn't take Carkner long to pounce, and that he did. He's lucky (?) Boyle wasn't seriously injured, and so was Boyle. Can you imagine if Boyle would have been knocked unconscious (or worse)? And while I understand Brandon Dubinsky flying in to help his downed teammate, what if he knocked out unsuspecting Matt Carkner as the third man in?
These incidences are so close to being either just a bump or bruise OR someone getting very seriously hurt.
I suppose it's exciting for the fans, but Carkner's attack could have literally ended up being an assault, not unlike what happened when Todd Bertuzzi sucker-punched Steve Moore years ago.
When you have 200 lb.+ professional athletes throwing punches at full force, it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt (or worse), especially when the other player is unprepared or unwilling in such battles.
In this case, Boyle was unscathed, and in doling out the one-game suspension, Shanahan (and the league) considered this as a factor. I don't agree. There are many incidences on the ice where a player gets up uninjured (i.e. Brian Boyle), but the league should look more at the infraction itself or intent.
I'm not comparing Carkner's transgression to Bertuzzi's, but both players delivered sucker punch kind of blows on an unsuspecting player. Bertuzzi actually only delivered one punch, while Carkner landed 7-8 punches. Can you imagine if you exchanged the resulting injuries with these two instances?
I'm not going to suggest that Bertuzzi was overly punished for what he did to Steve Moore, but there are so many transgressions on the ice which could produce a similar outcome, including Carkner on Boyle. So for Carkner to only get one game is light in my opinion.
Believe it or not, I'm pulling for the Senators (I like the Canadian teams), but in this case, I think Carkner should have been given a more serious suspension. But I also think Boyle (and the Rangers) took liberties in the first game, and when the league (and officials) don't keep things under control, players (and teams) do what they do.
I agree with this post, very well put.
I would also like to see the coach get something if he puts a player in the line-up as a head hunter
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