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Guest9001
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 Posted - 04/17/2012 : 19:09:37
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| And you're right I guess he doesn't really dummy him, but nor does neil turn away from fighting like was said above. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 19:10:45
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I guess I will use your own logic against you clatts, Since karlsson didn't have hands tied and he wasn't defenceless neither was boyle defenceless, he chose to turtle and not defend himself, again watch the clip they are body shots all except the first. And actually chickens***s are generally used to point out people who run from fights or fight with large numbers against one person.
Or people who fight unwilling opponents. If he wasn't Chikensh*t he would fight him in open ice not push him up against the glass and start wailing away without giving him time to react
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Guest9001
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 19:17:43
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| How slow do you think boyle's brain is? There are tons of hockey fights where one player drops the gloves first and the second is right behind him, I've been in a few. He CHOSE to draw a penalty and not defend himself. He had the chance to fight back and thought the 2 minutes for the team would be better. Carkner knew he was getting a penalty so he decided to "wail" on him again, in the body. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 22:59:14
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Please watch the video it's right there for you in moving picture
At no point is Boyle given time to react or do his hand come above his waist in the 2 seconds from the time Carkner hits him to the time he is punching him in the face
Until you watch the video I can not have an educated discussion with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfVoCsZT2Iw
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 00:09:43
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Originally posted by Guest9001
He didn't need to continue punching him but it sure was entertaining and if you watch the replay they're all body shots. Also alex any nhl fight/hit has the possibility to become as dangerous as you have claimed as it is just as easy to fall and smash your head on the ice in many altercations.
Guest9001.....I understand the majority of the blows and basically all of the one's delivered once Boyle was on the ground, were body blows. I honestly don't care about those, even if they were against the "unwritten rules of fighting in the NHL". If you disagree with that last line, you have no clue what i'm talking about as it's always said that the honourable thing to do once a guy is down on the ice in a vulnerable position, is to let up and not thrown down anymore. Regardless, it's not even the point so let's just let that rest. The original punch is what i have a problem with. Any human being who is expecting to get a bare knuckley punch to the face from another human being will try to defend themself if for no other reason than a natural reaction. I can understand a guy trying to draw a penalty and accepting a smack or a light "rabbit punch" like what Karlsson rec'd, but i've never seen a guy simply accept a full on bare knuckled punch from another guy in hopes of a penalty. Boyle had no idea that Carkner was going to sucker him the way he did!
BTW, i'm not sure where you got your definition of "sucker punch", but in my mind, it's when someone punches another without due warning whereby the person receiving the punch is surprised by it as it was unexpected. This is exactly what happened. At no point does Carkner drop the gloves and allow Boyle the time to do the same and square up for an even fight. He more or less "jumped him". If you can't see that, you're too narrow minded, biased, etc to accept it.
BTW, as far as the possibility of a guy suffering serious injury from any hit/fight is entirely true. AND, that's prob why i stated as much earlier when i said, and i quote: "If a guy is a willing combatant and gets KO'd, seriously injured, etc, i wouldn't be feeling the way i feel about this hit." I understand the dangers in playing the game. Heck, a guy can get seriously hurt by a puck deflecting and hitting his face/head! I get it, BUT, that's part of the game!!! What Carkner did is not and i will say it once more, not just directed at Joshua this time: If ANYONE doesn't understand the fact that Boyle could have been seriously injured by what Carkner did, which is not anything close to a legal play in hockey, then they need their head examined.
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 03:11:11
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Well Guest you obviously have a man crush on both Carkner and Neil.
It is rather interesting that the definition you gave for a sucker punch is exactly what Carkner did
Since you comment on the Neil/Boyle fight later in the game. I would not even call it fight. They dropped the gloves wrestled to ground immediately where in typical Neil fashion he throws punches at the guy after they go down. There was nothing close to Boyle being "dummied".
Neil is coward, he will only get credit from me for the time he stood up to Chara, other then that he usually jumps guys to start fights.
At least the other Sens fans on here have realized it was a sucker punch and no longer defend that part of Carkners actions.
Also Joshua, a good punch to face can cause just as serious of injury and anything else hitting the face or head. Just ask Todd Fedoruk.
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Guest9084
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 05:02:45
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People need to look up what a sucker punch is. Hint - you don't see it coming and it's not from right in front of you.
Boyle declined to fight and Carkner didn't give him the choice. It's not as if Boyle was caught completely unawares, specially considering the jawing that took place at the faceoff bforehand. They're both classless moves. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 05:58:28
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I'm beginning to think i'm wasting my time.......
Thats the smartest thing any of us has said since this thread started
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Guest9001
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 06:08:57
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It's funny clatts, because I feel the same way. Until you watch the video I can't have an educated conversation with you. So I'll say what I think happens going up to this confrontation.
Boyle gets chirped before the game even starts in a pregame interview on the ice.
Boyle throws a clean on hit on smith who cleared the puck.
No puck being around Carkner comes over and hits Boyle. 2 and half seconds after the hit carkner throws the first punch from the front.
Okay so there are a few reasons why I know this isn't a sucker punch;
1. It's from the front and immediately after a check where the puck has been gone for over 2 seconds.
2. He is not defenseless, he has TWO AND A HALF SECONDS to defend himself post hit to punch. You can't sit there and tell me that a professional athlete is unable to process what's going to happen when they have to make decisions all over the ice in half seconds or less. It's what they're paid to do. If he took 2 and a half seconds to make decisions he wouldn't be in the NHL.
Okay asides from that Carkner did get what he deserved and that was essentially a 2 game suspension and a 5 minute major.
Porkchop, please take your boner for hating chris neil (or is it a jealousy boner?) somewhere else, this topic was about carkner and his suspension, ok? Thanks. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 07:53:04
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My recollection of the Carkner tie up was a lot worse than the replay. I will take back my Boyle hate/gooning comment during this tie up. Also my recollection of the hits to the ground to Boyle were also a lot worse than the reality. Knowing they were body shots and not head shots helps me feel a little better about the shots after he dropped him.
Ok, for all the sensitive people posting here, a player skates up ice stops a player who delivers a clean check on another opposing player. He grabs him pushes him against the boards and gives him 1 good shot to the head dropping him, then hits him 6-7 times in the body and back. There is lots of seconds in between the check him being grabbed and Carkner throwing the hit. This type of plays happens a lot in hockey. Its not clean hockey, a suspendable play but not as dangerous as you are making this out to be. If it wasn't a shot hard enough to drop a 6-7 250 pound player with one hit, we wouldn't be talking about it. Had Boyle taken the shot like hundreds of players have in these playoffs, and millions around the world this year, rather than dropping like a sack of potatoes this wouldn't have appeared so dangerous.
It wasn't a tomahawk chop, wasn't a hit from behind and falling into a player driving his head into the ice and having 2 teams pile on the injured player. You need to re-evaluate why you are fighting this so hard here. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 17:49:13
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Joshua.....i'm not saying the Carkner punch was as bad as what Bertuzzi did. Clearly it wasn't. However, as someone earlier mentioned, just ask Todd Fedoruk whether or not a punch like this (notice i'm trying not to call it a sucker punch even though it is in my mind?) can result in a serious injury or worse a career threatening injury? If you're not aware of what happened to Fedoruk, it was in a fair fight where he happened to get caught with a serious blow. So i don't know how anyone could possibly think the same couldn't have happened to Boyle!!!
Prob is, some of you are clinging for dear life to the theory that it wasn't a sucker punch cuz it wasn't from behind. Hogwash! Just because it was from the front doesn't mean it was expected! Why didn't Carkner drop the gloves and give Boyle a chance at a fair fight? Heck, when Boyle got up after the ATTACK, he still had his freakin' gloves on! |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 08:16:48
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| With all due respect to Todd Fedoruk, without fighting in the game guys like him would have had a hard time cracking the lineup. If you want punching removed from the game, say that instead. You cant have it both ways. Either there is no punching in the head period, good luck enforcing that, or enforcer rome's the ice to protect skilled players. I am certain this was not the only punch throw in that game, when the player hit hadn't yet drop his gloves. I maintain the initial shot looked devestating because it dropped him immediately and the followup shot looked worse at the time because we all assumed they were headshots. He had been suspended rightfully so, but I dont see this as all evil like you are portraying it to be |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 09:57:37
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
With all due respect to Todd Fedoruk, without fighting in the game guys like him would have had a hard time cracking the lineup. If you want punching removed from the game, say that instead. You cant have it both ways. Either there is no punching in the head period, good luck enforcing that, or enforcer rome's the ice to protect skilled players. I am certain this was not the only punch throw in that game, when the player hit hadn't yet drop his gloves. I maintain the initial shot looked devestating because it dropped him immediately and the followup shot looked worse at the time because we all assumed they were headshots. He had been suspended rightfully so, but I dont see this as all evil like you are portraying it to be
I'd love to be done with this so i ask you (Joshua) just one simple question. Do you think it is possible that a player being punched bareknuckled to the face could be KO'd and fall to the ice and suffer a serious injury? That's all i ask you to answer. Please don't tell me that a player could be injured the same way in a fight because at least in a fight, he's prepared and knows the risk he's taking! Please don't tell me a player could be hurt in a collision / body check, because again, a player knows the risks he takes playing the game.
As for Fedoruk's role and the fact he wouldn't have a place in the game, who cares? That's not what is up for discussion here. Again, Fedoruk knew the risks he took, especially with a guy like the Boogieman! BUT, the Boogieman didn't punch him unsuspectingly like Carkner did to Boyle!!!
As for your comment "I am certain this was not the only punch throw in that game, when the player hit hadn't yet drop his gloves.", i call BS. Show me a clip of another guy dropping his glove(s) and punching a guy before the other guy dropped his! I really doubt it happened or we'd have heard about it, as would have Shanny! Go ahead, show me a clip!  |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 11:53:34
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| Well I am not going to continue to try and convince you and you certainly are not seeing my point of view. So lets agree to disagree. Next time I see a Vancouver player throw a barenuckle punch on a player with his hands down, I will let you know. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 22:59:37
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Well I am not going to continue to try and convince you and you certainly are not seeing my point of view. So lets agree to disagree. Next time I see a Vancouver player throw a barenuckle punch on a player with his hands down, I will let you know.
Agree to disagree? Sure, but that's not what you're doing really. In fact, you're basically admitting that you don't have the evidence you said you did, that being other players or a player being punched before he dropped the gloves.
As for letting me know the next time a Vancouver player throws a bareknuckle punch on a player with his hands down, go for it. But keep in mind a couple things. First, i'll have prob seen it already, and second, and most important, it won't be necessary as i won't support what that player did! What i'm saying is it's not even worth your time. You're implying that i would defend the action and i can guarantee you i wouldn't! You're also basically admitting that you're defending Carkner's actions because he's a Sen! If i were going to do that, i'd be trying to convince you that:
1. What Bertuzzi did was necessary
2. Steve Moore deserved it
3. Bertuzzi's punch wasn't a sucker punch
4. Moore was a turtle and dropped the moment a guy his size challenged him.
5-8. *insert other comments Joshua made about the Carkner incident with with Bertuzzi's name swapped for his.
You're right about one thing though.....i will never see your point of view on this as, for the last time, what Carkner did was an out and out assault more than it was anything to do with hockey. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 23:40:59
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Well I am not going to continue to try and convince you and you certainly are not seeing my point of view. So lets agree to disagree. Next time I see a Vancouver player throw a barenuckle punch on a player with his hands down, I will let you know.
Agree to disagree? Sure, but that's not what you're doing really. In fact, you're basically admitting that you don't have the evidence you said you did, that being other players or a player being punched before he dropped the gloves.
As for letting me know the next time a Vancouver player throws a bareknuckle punch on a player with his hands down, go for it. But keep in mind a couple things. First, i'll have prob seen it already, and second, and most important, it won't be necessary as i won't support what that player did! What i'm saying is it's not even worth your time. You're implying that i would defend the action and i can guarantee you i wouldn't! You're also basically admitting that you're defending Carkner's actions because he's a Sen! If i were going to do that, i'd be trying to convince you that:
1. What Bertuzzi did was necessary
2. Steve Moore deserved it
3. Bertuzzi's punch wasn't a sucker punch
4. Moore was a turtle and dropped the moment a guy his size challenged him.
5-8. *insert other comments Joshua made about the Carkner incident with with Bertuzzi's name swapped for his.
You're right about one thing though.....i will never see your point of view on this as, for the last time, what Carkner did was an out and out assault more than it was anything to do with hockey.
Alex when your right, you are right
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 06:25:30
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Wow when you guys are right your right. Apparently Boyle fell over and died today from the punches he took in game 2. His mom is on camera crying for Carkner to get the electric chair. Apparantely Bertuzzi mom is on Camera too saying how similar a play they were and how another player, not her son, dare throw a punch after her son threw a career ending cheap shot.
Nope your right I made that up too and it didn't happen. Just like the dangerous injury that coulda, shoulda, but didnt happen from a punch throw in a hockey game when many punches throw in every NHL game every day. Carkner is no Bertuzzi, the play were not similar and you haven't scored any points |
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Guest6072
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 06:43:14
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Well, whatever your opinions on the incident, you have to admit the message Carkner sent was loud and clear. Both teams settled down for games 3 and 4. Those two games were some of the best hockey you will ever see in these playoffs and how the game should be played. Sure there was still some chippy play, but nowhere near what was seen in game 1 and especially game 2. I'm hoping the series goes to 7 games just to see more of this kind of play. I'm also hoping my Sens win it, but I doubt it will happen.
Has anybody else noticed that since the league crackdown on head shots, there has been a significant increase in head injuries? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 07:36:31
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Josua, if you can take the blinders off for a second and look at things objective, the snide comments might lessen.
I don't think anyone is comparing the Carkner situation to the Bertuzzi situation regarding the OUTCOME, but the ACTION is undeniable similar. Alex really did say is best. You could take his 4-5 points and remove Bertuzzi's name and insert Carker's and the descriptions are very similar.
Frankly, every time I bounce into this thread to take a look, your argument loses creditability. There is no justification for repeatedly punched an opponent who is not engaged in a fight. If the player getting punched gets injured or not is irrelevant. The action is reprehensible and there is no logical or reasonable way to justify on any level.
You are 100% correct that sensationalizing this event in comparison to the Bertuzzi/Moore situation regarding OUTCOME is ridiculous. However, from a pure action standpoint, it is very comparable. The only difference I see (other than the Bertuzzi incident being a sucker punch from behind)is Bertuzzi gave Moore a number of opportunities to engage. Carkner didn't give Boyle a chance to even lift up his hands before he cracked him twice.
But that's Carkner's MO, he's done it in the past. It takes a real tough dude to fight someone when the other person has no idea the fight is coming.
He's a D-bag. Done.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 08:20:52
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| See I agreed that the punch is a bad play and I even agree with the suspension. I have said that, so in that we agree. What I am disagreeing with is the level of hate on the play and how on this site it is being blown up. I think it was just one cheap play in a game that had lots of cheap plays, just like game 1. You will notice that game 3 and 4 were more of a skilled game and the level of cheap and chippy plays has gone down. And thats with or without Carkner in the lineup. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 11:34:18
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
See I agreed that the punch is a bad play and I even agree with the suspension. I have said that, so in that we agree. What I am disagreeing with is the level of hate on the play and how on this site it is being blown up. I think it was just one cheap play in a game that had lots of cheap plays, just like game 1. You will notice that game 3 and 4 were more of a skilled game and the level of cheap and chippy plays has gone down. And thats with or without Carkner in the lineup.
Cheap and chippy plays are one thing, what Carkner did is another.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 11:53:16
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Do you want me to highlight the first line so you can read it or you gonna cheap shot comment until you believe I actually agree with you. For a person who has a problem with cheap shots, you sure do throw a bunch of them up on a hockey blog. Hey lets pretend we dont have to agree on this point for a secondquote:
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
See I agreed that the punch is a bad play and I even agree with the suspension. I have said that, so in that we agree. What I am disagreeing with is the level of hate on the play and how on this site it is being blown up. I think it was just one cheap play in a game that had lots of cheap plays, just like game 1. You will notice that game 3 and 4 were more of a skilled game and the level of cheap and chippy plays has gone down. And thats with or without Carkner in the lineup.
Cheap and chippy plays are one thing, what Carkner did is another.
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 14:51:17
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Do you want me to highlight the first line so you can read it or you gonna cheap shot comment until you believe I actually agree with you. For a person who has a problem with cheap shots, you sure do throw a bunch of them up on a hockey blog. Hey lets pretend we dont have to agree on this point for a secondquote:
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
See I agreed that the punch is a bad play and I even agree with the suspension. I have said that, so in that we agree. What I am disagreeing with is the level of hate on the play and how on this site it is being blown up. I think it was just one cheap play in a game that had lots of cheap plays, just like game 1. You will notice that game 3 and 4 were more of a skilled game and the level of cheap and chippy plays has gone down. And thats with or without Carkner in the lineup.
Cheap and chippy plays are one thing, what Carkner did is another.
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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You can't have it both ways, you contradict yourself constantly. You say you now think the Carkner play was a bad one but then say it was just one of many cheap or chippy plays that occurred in the first and second game. What Carkner did was gross and I don't see anything on the rest of the series that compares.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 17:20:58
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See this is why we are arguing I have maintained it was a cheapshot, penalized play and a suspendable offence. You just were not listening. It was also made to protect his best players from Boyle and company who were being physical and playing just as chippy. So in that I understand the hows and why's, but not the extent and didn't see it as being all evil like Bean's, Alex and you were trying to portray it.
I can view it as a cheapshot suspendable play and agree with the reasoning behind it. I'll admit the ground pounding seemed excessive but the initial shot understandable and not nearly as dangerous as you have portrayed it. I found the hit to Torres more excessive and more in line with the intent to injure you are claiming. Hell even the elbow to the head of Alfredson was more visious and likely to injure than the beat down Boyle received. Hence the results, Alfredson injured, Hossa injured.
I do apologize if I have come off short, but some of your responses have been rude and condesending. Poeple are allowed to disagree and apparently the NHL office of Shannahan agreed it was less dangerous in nature. |
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 17:31:24
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See this is why we are arguing I have maintained it was a cheapshot, penalized play and a suspendable offence. You just were not listening. It was also made to protect his best players from Boyle and company who were being physical and playing just as chippy. So in that I understand the hows and why's, but not the extent and didn't see it as being all evil like Bean's, Alex and you were trying to portray it.
I can view it as a cheapshot suspendable play and agree with the reasoning behind it. I'll admit the ground pounding seemed excessive but the initial shot understandable and not nearly as dangerous as you have portrayed it. I found the hit to Torres more excessive and more in line with the intent to injure you are claiming. Hell even the elbow to the head of Alfredson was more visious and likely to injure than the beat down Boyle received. Hence the results, Alfredson injured, Hossa injured.
I do apologize if I have come off short, but some of your responses have been rude and condesending. Poeple are allowed to disagree and apparently the NHL office of Shannahan agreed it was less dangerous in nature.
You miss my point, my issue is that you think Carkner was justified because you feel that the same things happened to Karlsson ect. but you have shown no proof of this. You say that New York was doing stuff that was JUST AS BAD when they weren't.
You can disagree with opinions and have your own but I reserve the right to call you on it if your saying things that are untrue.
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 19:26:35
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Joshua....my apologies for getting so frustrated, some of it stemming from your view that it wasn't a sucker punch, but most of it for not seeing my point that the result of the punch could have been far worse! I do note that you agree what he did was a cheapshot and not what you'd prefer to see and maybe i took some of your comments the wrong way, for example the comments about how he did what he had to do. If you're implying that he needed to stick up for his team, set an example and show the Rangers that they wouldn't let them push them around, then fine. I just don't agree with the way he did it and you seem to agree that it prob wasn't right either (because it was a cheapshot).
I don't recall ever getting into this heated of a debate with you and i've always enjoyed your posts. This need not continue any further so i will do my best to move on in hopes we can still respect one anothers posts and opinions in the future. 
I will now move on before i start singing Kumbaya....... |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 15:08:29
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I think I figured out why you have a problem with my post Clatts. You think I can dig up some video evidence which shows someone on New York doing something on the level of Carkner. Your right I can't, it was just a rough game and Carkner's actions were well above the action from the 1st game. Carkner definately went above and beyond. It was mostly just a rough game and my memory can't recall much but the tieup where Boyle was feeding Karlsson. Youtube only shows the rabbit punches and not much else. Either way I have moved on.quote:
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
See this is why we are arguing I have maintained it was a cheapshot, penalized play and a suspendable offence. You just were not listening. It was also made to protect his best players from Boyle and company who were being physical and playing just as chippy. So in that I understand the hows and why's, but not the extent and didn't see it as being all evil like Bean's, Alex and you were trying to portray it.
I can view it as a cheapshot suspendable play and agree with the reasoning behind it. I'll admit the ground pounding seemed excessive but the initial shot understandable and not nearly as dangerous as you have portrayed it. I found the hit to Torres more excessive and more in line with the intent to injure you are claiming. Hell even the elbow to the head of Alfredson was more visious and likely to injure than the beat down Boyle received. Hence the results, Alfredson injured, Hossa injured.
I do apologize if I have come off short, but some of your responses have been rude and condesending. Poeple are allowed to disagree and apparently the NHL office of Shannahan agreed it was less dangerous in nature.
You miss my point, my issue is that you think Carkner was justified because you feel that the same things happened to Karlsson ect. but you have shown no proof of this. You say that New York was doing stuff that was JUST AS BAD when they weren't.
You can disagree with opinions and have your own but I reserve the right to call you on it if your saying things that are untrue.
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