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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
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 Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:00:07
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Sidney Crosby has been named the team captain for the Pitsburgh Penguins.
I find this abstoluteley stupid, he is 20 years old and played two season in the NHL and you're giving him the captaincey. He doesn't have much experience and he hasn't fully matured. So you have players such as Segei Gonchar and Marc Recchi(unless he is a UFA) and you don't give them the C.
For god sakes he's 20, this is not a good thing for him the pressure he will have.
When did Gretzky get the C I don't know someone tell me.
So tell me what you think IHC what do you have to say about this.
I'll try to find a link but start talking
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stastnysforever
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:04:24
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I cna't beleive that, Crosby's way to young to be captain, GOnchar deserves it, he's been around forever even when they weren;t that good, Malkin's more experienced than Crosby and about as good
what do Calgary and a tea bag have in common- they're both only good for one cup |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:07:30
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Originally posted by stastnysforever
I cna't beleive that, Crosby's way to young to be captain, GOnchar deserves it, he's been around forever even when they weren;t that good, Malkin's more experienced than Crosby and about as good
what do Calgary and a tea bag have in common- they're both only good for one cup
How does Malkin have more experience, he is a year older and Sid has played two years where Malkin has played one. |
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stastnysforever
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:13:26
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Malkin has more professional experience, he played 2 years in the russian super league before coming to the nhl
what do Calgary and a tea bag have in common- they're both only good for one cup |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:18:42
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| Oh please, I knew they'd do this. He's 20 years old for crying out loud! There's more to a captain than playing ability. He needs to have experience playing and has to be a good leader. Crosby has had 2 seasons in the NHL. That is not nearly enough experience. And do they really want a whiner as their team captain?? That doesn't make for a very good leader. They should give it to Recchi who actually has experience with the NHL, who'd be a good leader, and who's also a good player. The only reason they gave this to Sid was because he's so good and hyped by the media and they want to promote it even more now. But that's not what being a captain is about. 20 year olds don't lead teams. Experience first, ability second. Man, when was the last time the NHL made a GOOD decision?? |
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 16:51:43
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Its not that big of deal, Yzerman was a young captain, Linden was a young captain. Leadership is not about age, its about who the players in the dressing room look up to and who leads them on and off the ice, on the Penguins I give you CROSBY. Most of the team is young its not idiotic to think that he would be the captain of the team.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
Get The Towels Out Guys PLAYOFFS!!!
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 17:07:29
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This is the inevitable. We all knew it was comming and it happened. I don't know why everyone sounds soo shocked. Last year most of us thought he was captain, then we realized that they had 4 A's.
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 17:20:38
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But you have a veteran of Marc Recchi who has played over 1300 games and Sidney has played around 200 games. Who wins in that experiencet and veteranship, well Recchi wins. Crosby is one of the best players in the league, and yes he is a leader but he is just so young why wouldn't you give it to Recchi who is a veteran and a leader.
I won't lie he will be a captain, but not now let him mature let him play. Look at what happened to Lecavalier when he was the captain he had a bad season then the next season they give it to Tim Taylor and Lecavalier is now a 50 goal scorer and a 100 point getter when he doesn't have that much pressure.
Recchi should have the ''C''. |
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Patchy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 19:20:16
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I don't think this is neccessarily a BAD move, considering most players look to him for leadership when they need it. He shows all the qualities of a good captain (except perhaps the years and years of experience) so I think he should be team captain even though he's 20 years old.
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 20:15:12
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People they have Recchi on the team, he is a leader and a veteran.
Give Crosby some time, he's not going to leave. Let him mature and gain more experience. |
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Posted - 05/30/2007 : 22:02:40
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| im fine with the captaincy. he has matured alot in two years, 2 consecutive 100 point seasons, an art ross trophy, a hart trophy. sure hes only 20 but wasnt stevey y only about the same age? Look what hes done in his career. |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
538 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2007 : 00:10:51
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i'm gonna refrain from a huge tyrade here. I think we all know what I think....
I just wanna shoot down patchy's hypothesis. I doubt anyone looks up to Sid in that room. Why? Read what Mik had to say, she's spot on. A captain should be someone who the whole team respects. And I guarentee some Pens have the same dislike for sid I do.
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 01:34:16
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Originally posted by PainTrain
But you have a veteran of Marc Recchi who has played over 1300 games and Sidney has played around 200 games. Who wins in that experiencet and veteranship, well Recchi wins. Crosby is one of the best players in the league, and yes he is a leader but he is just so young why wouldn't you give it to Recchi who is a veteran and a leader.
I won't lie he will be a captain, but not now let him mature let him play. Look at what happened to Lecavalier when he was the captain he had a bad season then the next season they give it to Tim Taylor and Lecavalier is now a 50 goal scorer and a 100 point getter when he doesn't have that much pressure.
Recchi should have the ''C''.
when was the last time you were in the pens locker room? any of us know any of the pens personally? for all we know there are very good reason why mark and sergei are not the captins,,,, there must be because im sure someone thought of it in the organization,, who knows what goes on in the dressing room the whole team may be behind the kid,,, maybe in the room he steps up and gets the respect of a vet if he does well then hes the man for the job,,,
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manninm
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 05:38:08
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I don't have a problem with it. We don't know what goes on in the Pens locker room. If Therrien believes that Crosby's the leader in the locker room, then so be it. I understand that there are guys with better credentials, but I don't think you can flat out rule somebody out by age alone.
Because the demands on a goalie are mostly mental, it means that for a goalie, the biggest enemy is himself." ~Ken Dryden |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
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1547 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2007 : 08:16:53
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
i'm gonna refrain from a huge tyrade here. I think we all know what I think....
I just wanna shoot down patchy's hypothesis. I doubt anyone looks up to Sid in that room. Why? Read what Mik had to say, she's spot on. A captain should be someone who the whole team respects. And I guarentee some Pens have the same dislike for sid I do.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Im pretty sure the majority of the league has respect for Sidney Crosby, as they voted him MVP on those player ballots, He is an amazing player, and from what I hear he steps up in the locker room, what a captian is supposed to do. Just because you have an undeifying hate for Crosby(Or maybe its a school girl thing where you actually love him but you try to be mean to him so no one nos it) doesnt mean the Pens do or the League.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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BigShow
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 08:41:20
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They gave it to him because they want to show support for him, they also want him to step up to the plate and round out his game.
For some young players that works out great. Yzerman being the most obvious choice.
For others it really hurts their production, Lecavalier recently and not that long ago Fluery, for example.
I don't think it is a good idea for Sid though. He is too much of a hothead. Playing with Recchi (or Roberts if they can keep him) as captain would do him a lot of good, and in a couple years he'd be a much better captain. Give him a couple more years to work on his game and develop to his full on ice potential before asking him to take the extra burden of leadership. |
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ultimatetitman
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 11:00:49
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Have any of you considered that maybe Recchi and/or Gonchar turned down the C? Or maybe they were asked for their opinion and they suggested Crosby? Do you all really think this was just an impulsive move with no consideration to the team?
No one knows ALL the reasons for giving Crosby they C. Obviously he has been groomed for this for the past season and a half. As much as some of you think he is "whining", he is certainly the most vocal Penguin on the ice with the referees. - Although I find it interesting that when Messier, Sundin, or Yzerman confront a ref, it's good leadership, yet when Sidney does it, it's whining. But that's a different issue for another forum. - Besides, whether you love or hate him, he does leave it all on the ice. How many Penguins games have you watched where you didn't notice Crosby several times? These are leadership qualities. As a Vancouver fan, I can recall at least a dozen times where Naslund was a complete non-factor in a game.
None of us know the whole story, but I think it's fair to say that Penguin management has some consideration for the team above and beyond one player.
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 11:35:26
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| The C doesn't go to who's noticed the most or who holds the most records, it goes to who has the most experience and who can be the best leader. Crosby has hardly any NHL experience compared to some of the other guys, and leaders don't whine to the ref. Yeah everyone does every now and then, but not ALL THE TIME. They just suck it up and take the penalty, unless it's an egregious call. And there's a difference between simply asking why it was called and ARGUING about it because you personally don't like it. You aren't the ref, so unless it's a really bad call just shut your mouth. However, ultimatetitman made a good point there. If Recchi and Gonchar and Roberts all turned down the C, Crosby would be the next option in my mind. Malkin doesn't speak English, Staal is even younger, Fleury's a goalie...who else would you choose? But I really don't think three guys would all give up the C, it just seems unlikely. And plus you didn't see anything about that in the TSN article on the subject. But if that is indeed the case, then Sid has the C for good reason. If that's not the case, one of them should have it. |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 12:36:25
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Nope, Sid is just the the michelle Wie of hockey.
He gets all these unwarrented perks b/c he is young and his sport needs more popularity....Wie unfairly debuted in the women's world golf rankings at #2 just to grab headlines for the unpopular LPGA tour. This is eactly what is happening with Sid. He is declared captain simply for headlines.......I guarentee this was all orchastated by the guys at the front office to get more bling from the sponsors and whatever.......
You Sheep out there need to realize Sid is the Brittany Spears of the NHL. He is a cheap thrill who gets way too many props.
You think Reggie Bush would be named captain of the Saints? NO!!!!! The Saints make enough cash and don't need to use cheap stunts to sell merchandise.
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 13:43:22
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| Well, I wouldn't go that far IHC. Sid IS talented, and that's probably why he was chosen. I just think it should be based more on experience, but I'm not on the Penguins' management. Let's just hope it all works out well for the Pens. |
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Leafs Rock Planet
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 16:58:28
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To young to be a captain but I think he will do a fine job.
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Guest7418
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 17:07:07
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They would have been STUPID *not* to have given him the captaincy!
He's only a few months younger than Yzerman was when he was given the 'C'.
If they gave it to ANYONE else, everyone would know that it's just a temporary measure and that Sid would get the C eventually. Why prolong the inevitable? He's more mature than many players 10 years older and has already proven he's the leader of the team.
This was an easy choice for the Pens... No brainer... |
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Guest7418
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 17:09:34
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
i'm gonna refrain from a huge tyrade here. I think we all know what I think....
I just wanna shoot down patchy's hypothesis. I doubt anyone looks up to Sid in that room. Why? Read what Mik had to say, she's spot on. A captain should be someone who the whole team respects. And I guarentee some Pens have the same dislike for sid I do.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Not true at all. All reports coming out of the dressing room state that the players are quite happy with him being given the C as they already look to him as their leader. They said that their opinion before this season might have been a bit different but he has earned every iota of respect possible from them this year and they all found themselves looking to him on the bench to lead when the time came... Now they just gave him the C, to represent what he means to the team already. |
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Guest7418
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 17:12:25
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
Nope, Sid is just the the michelle Wie of hockey.
He gets all these unwarrented perks b/c he is young and his sport needs more popularity....
You are absolutely right IHC.. Sid gets unwarranted (note spelling) because he is young. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's the youngest players in the history of the NHL to win the scoring title.. Or youngest ever player to 200 points... nope.. that has nothing to do with it... It's only because he's young and a fresh face... Not that they couldnt hvae picked 30 other young starts for that, but he lucked out since they picked him... not because he's the best player in hockey... you are right.. that's not the reason. |
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Guest7418
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 17:12:59
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
Nope, Sid is just the the michelle Wie of hockey.
He gets all these unwarrented perks b/c he is young and his sport needs more popularity....
You are absolutely right IHC.. Sid gets unwarranted (note spelling) because he is young. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's the youngest players in the history of the NHL to win the scoring title.. Or youngest ever player to 200 points... nope.. that has nothing to do with it... It's only because he's young and a fresh face... Not that they couldnt hvae picked 30 other young starts for that, but he lucked out since they picked him... not because he's the best player in hockey... you are right.. that's not the reason. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 17:20:52
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Originally posted by Guest7418
Why prolong the inevitable?
Because good captains need experience and maturity. I'd have no problem with him getting the C in a few years.
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He's more mature than many players 10 years older
HAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. I thought I owned the board with bad jokes. |
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PainTrain
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 18:31:50
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| I'm not denying that he is a good leader. But for god sakes he's 20 years old, just let him play and let him mature in 5 years give him the ''C'' and he'll be one of the best leaders in the NHL. He has just not fully matured yet. |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 19:13:15
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I can't stand people like guest 7418 who put so much merrit in Sid being the youngest to do certain things...He was probably the youngest by about 3 months to do whatever "records" he has.....That just means his parents did their dirty work later in whatever year Sid was born in than say Waynes parents did the year Wayne was born....If he was 2 years younger than the previous record holder, you could give him props, but counting the months and days younger Sid was than the previous record holder gives statistics a really bad name.
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andyhack
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 20:40:51
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I don't feel that strongly about this either way, but if I am in the Pens management I can see why you might want to give him the captaincy based on an understanding of his character. He is a guy who wants to lead, wants to be the big guy, and more than likely, VERY MUCH wanted the captaincy (probably unlike Joe Thornton on the Bruins). You have to stroke certain players sometimes, and this may be a move designed to give Sid even more motivation to strive for still higher levels.
Just trying to explain what may have been the reasoning. I don't totally disagree with your objection IHC. There is a counter argument to what I said above which is simply, why not wait a couple of years til he is more mature, especially considering they have some guys who could easily full the role in the meantime.
Anyway, if I am in Pens management, I probably take Crosby's psychiatrist out to lunch, get him or her drunk, and then ask him or her for privileged information about what really makes Sid tick to determine just how much value there is in stroking his ego at this point in his career. If nothing else, it would be a fun lunch.
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Beans15
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 20:50:54
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Sid is the face of the NHL and the team. He had to become Captain. He has to keep pace with Yzerman and Gretzky(who didn't become Captain until '83. So he had 4 years in the league and was 22).
I am not sure if I even really care. I am actually making an effort to not listen to the media when I hear his name. I think I can be more objective of him as a player if I don't hear about what color shoes he bought at the mall today.
I do agree with IHC on his last comment as well. If he beat a record by a couple of months, it really doesn't mean anything. Just let the guy have a career and see where he stacks up. I could care less when he is as a 20 years old. I want to see the journey to where he will be as a 40 year old.
Captain or not, I could care less.
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Canucks Man
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Posted - 05/31/2007 : 22:00:02
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I totally agree with 7418, Why prolong it, If you give to another guy he will no its just as a loner not a permanent thing, And your all forgetting that he is learning from one of the best, He Lives With Mario, who is better to learn the tricks of the trade from?
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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semin-rules
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 05:44:45
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Originally posted by PainTrain
I'm not denying that he is a good leader. But for god sakes he's 20 years old, just let him play and let him mature in 5 years give him the ''C'' and he'll be one of the best leaders in the NHL. He has just not fully matured yet.
Yup, thats exactly it.
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BigShow
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 07:02:13
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
I totally agree with 7418, Why prolong it, If you give to another guy he will no its just as a loner not a permanent thing.
As stated over and over above; young players don't generally thrive with this added pressure. That is why they should have waited. Sid takes bad penalties. He gets unsportsmanlike conducts. Those are not the signs of a player that is supposed to be the leader.
If the Pens thought they had such a great leader, then why did they bother bringing Roberts in? His only real value is his leadership.
The chances that Sid has leadership like Messier or Yzerman seems like a lot to risk when there is already exceptional leadership in the room. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 07:35:35
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BigShow is right. And to answer the question of "why prolong it?" is because he needs time to mature and gain experience. I think he'd be a great leader in a few years, just not right now. Just because he's going to get it eventually doesn't mean just go ahead and give it to him now. You have to wait till it's an appropriate time. Or as Jack Sparrow says, "the opportune moment".
IHC is right too. So he beat the record by a few months. Big whoop. That doesn't say anything about his skill being better than the previous record holder, it just says he was born a few months later. |
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Guest9537
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 11:44:25
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My biggest beef isn't with Crosby becoming captain. It was going to happen eventually even though there are other players that deserve it more. Let's face that fact.
I just can't believe how much they try to get this guy into the record books and make him out to be this "god" by announcing his captaincy right now, just so they can call him "youngest captain ever". No one gives a crap about that right now...it should be about Ottawa vs Anaheim for the cup. They just wanted him to beat out Vinny Lecavalier for being the youngest captain (Vinny was only 27 days older than sid when named captain). If they had done it at the start of next season like they should have, he would be second youngest. This just goes to show the stupid lengths they go to just to stroke his c**k. God forbid he could ever be considered 2nd to anyone...especially Lecavlier (who was a better player than sid at the end of last season). |
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I´m also Cånädiön
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 11:48:25
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As many has said I think he´s too inexperienced. And IHC that Britney Spears comparison was priceless HaHaHa........HA
(Time differance Pickuphockey-Sweden approx +9 hours 1min 5sek......so I can always blame it on Jetlag.) |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 12:07:55
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Originally posted by Guest9537
No one gives a crap about that right now...it should be about Ottawa vs Anaheim for the cup.
I've noticed that too...you go on TSN or NHL.com and the first thing you see is an article about Crosby being named captain. Hello?? What about the Stanley Cup??? What about Anaheim upping their lead to 2-0? What about Ottawa's plans for coming back? There's more to the NHL than Crosby!! Obviously you have to announce his captaincy, but save it for the sidebar headlines, NOT THE FRONT-PAGE ARTICLE! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 13:22:01
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That is what has been driving me nuts all year about Crosby. Who cares what he thought of a movie or what he though about living with Mario Lemieux?? Too much media attention.
Seriously, if you want to think objectively about him, shut all that media crap out. Just like Tiger Woods. If it's golf, it's all about Tiger. And it makes it really tough for me to like him. I had to shut out all of that media crap and look at him as a player. Now, I may not like his style and he's not peronable on the course, but I respect what he has done in the sport.
Treat Crosby the same way.
I Love your Kids, IHC is the man, and The Oilers Rule. Does that make me insane?? |
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Leafs Rock Planet
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 15:49:47
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
I That just means his parents did their dirty work later in whatever year Sid was born in
Its not about when Sids parents did their dirty work. I think the point many people are trying to get across is how young the Pens are making Crosby the captain.
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PainTrain
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 18:03:20
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They're making him try to hold every record in the book. I believe he has a lot of skill, but the thing with hockey is they're is a lot of good players who should all show different records.
And this is one that Crosby shouldn't have he is just too young to be a captain. Let him mature. |
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Guest4462
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Posted - 06/01/2007 : 19:18:47
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
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Originally posted by Guest7418
Why prolong the inevitable?
Because good captains need experience and maturity. I'd have no problem with him getting the C in a few years.
So you thought Yzerman was way to young to be named captain? Look how that turned out...
Linden too?
Don't be silly. You don't give the C based on age, you give it based on leadership. The team looks to him to win... nuff said.
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He's more mature than many players 10 years older
HAHAHAHAHAHA Good one. I thought I owned the board with bad jokes.
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Sid the KID, the Kid captain? 
