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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 06/04/2007 : 00:06:21
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How many of you out there are tired of hearing about "head shots" every 5 minutes on a sports network (in Canada)? These "analysts" think that head shots are a new thing in hockey, incorrectly claiming the players in the NHL today have no respect.
Back in the day, a "headshot" with a SHOULDER was considered a great hit, worthy of Highlight of the Night.....Today, if a players shoulder makes contact with anothers head, that player is immediatley labled as dirty. This makes me sick!!!!!!! Look, hockey's a fast game, guys aren't usually going out there with an intent to cripple his opponent, but it happens (Apparently [according to Bob Mackenzie] hockey is fast enough where it's OK for a ref to miss a call here or there. Yet Bob fails to admit that hockey is fast enough where Chris Pronger accidently elbowed a guy...Sticking out an elbow is a reflex action under the circumstance).
Of course the solution is simple : take head shots out of the game! Don't forget to get rid of fighting. While there at it, they might as well replace hockey pants with skirts. I guess hits below the waist will still be allowed, cause the only players who would want to play a sport where these mythical dangerous hits are not allowed will be players without balls.
Seriously though, I don't like seeing a guy get knocked out Lindros style, but it happens...it didn't happen with regualrity ages ago, even though these "head shots" still did.....And the only analyst out there who has the right solution is the great Don Cherry. Go back to the old shoulder pads!!! The ones like boxing gloves....The league have no problem reducing the size of goal pads, why not reduce the size of skaters pads?
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 06:30:39
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i agree,, i mean now what yu're getting in the head is a hard plastic cup,, they should deffinetly go back to the classic style upper body pads,, and its not so much the head shots that are "dirty" its the late hits, late htis can be a problem but again another thing that would help is if players tied down their helmets
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willus3
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Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 08:22:17
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
Back in the day, a "headshot" with a SHOULDER was considered a great hit, worthy of Highlight of the Night.....
Of course the solution is simple : take head shots out of the game! Don't forget to get rid of fighting.
Seriously though, I don't like seeing a guy get knocked out Lindros style, but it happens...it didn't happen with regualrity ages ago, even though these "head shots" still did.....And the only analyst out there who has the right solution is the great Don Cherry. Go back to the old shoulder pads!!! The ones like boxing gloves....The league have no problem reducing the size of goal pads, why not reduce the size of skaters pads?
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Back in the day? Which day was that?
Head shots have never been legal or glorified by anyone. A head shot is not the equivalent of a fight.
To prevent injuries I completely agree with the old style pads.
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manninm
PickupHockey Pro
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 08:29:54
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There's a difference between a headshot and a guy coming in with his feet on the ice and shoulder angled toward a player, hitting him, and by virtue of size difference or the nature of the play catching him in the head. I think by definition a "headshot" means intent, intent to hit the head, or "headhunting," and like Willis eluded to, have never been glorified, ever, and is not comparable to fighting, which presents relatively little risk of injury.
Because the demands on a goalie are mostly mental, it means that for a goalie, the biggest enemy is himself." ~Ken Dryden |
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leigh
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 10:32:05
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I'm with you IHC. I don't like how all the analysts are on this crusade. Fast game equals dangerous game. I like your comment about intent Mannimn. Intent is a hard thing to prove so as long as the body language says it was intentional then fine, but if you can't tell then then let it go.
One thing IHC is that I actually thing the Pronger hi was pretty ugly. He had to reach out pretty far to get him with the elbow. I'm leanient about hits and that one even crossed my line.
Been saying it for years...go back to the soft shoulder pads (put the hard stuff in the middle. This way you protect your assets and don't damage the game. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2007 : 12:24:12
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I agree that the Stevens on Lindros type hit is part of hockey. I also agree that there is a big different between a shoulder hit with old style pads compared to the linebacker pads that are used now.
However, I am in total agreement that elbows to the head are not part of the game. And I think it's crap that it is a natural instincts. Young players are not coached to do that. If they are, the problem stems from that. If players are coached and trained not to elbow to the head, and the NHL justly suspends those kinds of hits, they will go away in time.
Sad thing is that someone will have to be seriously hurt to have any action.
Could you imagine if it's Crosby that gets taken out indefinately by a elbow to the head?? Wow, I feel sorry for the guy who hit him and the suspension he would feel!
I Love your Kids, IHC is the man, and The Oilers Rule. Does that make me insane?? |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 14:29:05
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
How many of you out there are tired of hearing about "head shots" every 5 minutes on a sports network (in Canada)? These "analysts" think that head shots are a new thing in hockey, incorrectly claiming the players in the NHL today have no respect.
Back in the day, a "headshot" with a SHOULDER was considered a great hit, worthy of Highlight of the Night.....Today, if a players shoulder makes contact with anothers head, that player is immediatley labled as dirty. This makes me sick!!!!!!! Look, hockey's a fast game, guys aren't usually going out there with an intent to cripple his opponent, but it happens (Apparently [according to Bob Mackenzie] hockey is fast enough where it's OK for a ref to miss a call here or there. Yet Bob fails to admit that hockey is fast enough where Chris Pronger accidently elbowed a guy...Sticking out an elbow is a reflex action under the circumstance).
Of course the solution is simple : take head shots out of the game! Don't forget to get rid of fighting. While there at it, they might as well replace hockey pants with skirts. I guess hits below the waist will still be allowed, cause the only players who would want to play a sport where these mythical dangerous hits are not allowed will be players without balls.
Seriously though, I don't like seeing a guy get knocked out Lindros style, but it happens...it didn't happen with regualrity ages ago, even though these "head shots" still did.....And the only analyst out there who has the right solution is the great Don Cherry. Go back to the old shoulder pads!!! The ones like boxing gloves....The league have no problem reducing the size of goal pads, why not reduce the size of skaters pads?
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
I completely agree, and elbow to the head is another story though that is way worse then a shoulder to the head. If you take out head shots then where are you supposed to hit them? You hit them a little low, Penalty. You hit them a little high,Penalty. |
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I HATE CROSBY
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
538 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2007 : 15:50:53
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ya, those elbows are a dangerous weapon, I agree. I don't think they're suspendible unless they're of 94-Bure style, though.....By today's standard, the Stevens hit would be considered cheap. That's my problem.....Stevens' hits were the only thing that made the Devils games watchable!!!!!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
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framer87
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 18:14:13
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
ya, those elbows are a dangerous weapon, I agree. I don't think they're suspendible unless they're of 94-Bure style, though.....By today's standard, the Stevens hit would be considered cheap. That's my problem.....Stevens' hits were the only thing that made the Devils games watchable!!!!!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Scott Stevens is my favourite player, I loved watching him crank people every night. Except when he hit Kariya that made me mad because i wanted Anaheim to win. |
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KariyaSelanne
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 15:45:09
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Originally posted by framer87
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Originally posted by I HATE CROSBY
ya, those elbows are a dangerous weapon, I agree. I don't think they're suspendible unless they're of 94-Bure style, though.....By today's standard, the Stevens hit would be considered cheap. That's my problem.....Stevens' hits were the only thing that made the Devils games watchable!!!!!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Scott Stevens is my favourite player, I loved watching him crank people every night. Except when he hit Kariya that made me mad because i wanted Anaheim to win.
I loved watching Scott Stevens, it was like after every game he was on the highlight reel for a hit. I also felt sorry for Kariya, but then he got up and scored
Here are Scott Stevens top 10 hits.(sorry, its kind of hard to see)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7jUbKQYdw |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 16:02:41
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This is exactly what the NHL is missing. Watch the majority of the hits. The elbow stays in, the gloves don't even come higher than the crest on the jersey. Couple of them might have left the feet a bit, but it looks more like momentum than leaving the feet for the hit.
Why can't players hit like this instead of bringing the elbows into it??
I Love your Kids, IHC is the man, and The Oilers Rule. Does that make me insane?? |
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