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Guest9252
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 Posted - 11/28/2007 : 08:06:34
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Poll Question:
Who is the league's worst team?
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Guest9252
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Posted - 11/28/2007 : 08:58:25
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The teams are in order by points (right now) according to nhl.com with Washington having the least of course.
I voted for Toronto and I am not a leaf-hater but on paper they have lost 7 of 8 games, have the least wins in the NHL, have let in the most goals, are under constant scrutiny, their new players are really underperforming (Blake, Toskala), and they are relying more than any other team on getting a point in a losing effort. (league leading 6 overtime losses) |
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shinnyafterschool
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Posted - 11/29/2007 : 05:41:40
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| Bryzgalov will cool off like every other goaltender who's ever worn a coyotes jersey.... |
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Guest4912
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Posted - 11/29/2007 : 08:05:37
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| Edmonton rules, these are just growing pains, soon they wont be on that list |
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/29/2007 : 09:27:53
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I would also say Toronto. Not because I hate the Leafs, but the fact that all of the other teams have a solid group of young players. Each of the other teams will get better and shoud(I said Should) have top 10-15 teams in the next few years.
Toronto, unlike the others, are going nowhere.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 11/29/2007 : 14:33:30
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For the leafs this year:
After finishing dead last in the NHL, the borad of directors of the Maple Leafs will elect to not choose Tavares first overall including JFj, with his 2 year contract extension. Sundin will then retire, fed up with the club.
I can dream, Toronto will do even better next year if they do this, that's how bad they are this year!
GO PREDATORS GO |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 07:58:37
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Originally posted by Alex
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Originally posted by Beans15
I would also say Toronto. Not because I hate the Leafs, but the fact that all of the other teams have a solid group of young players. Each of the other teams will get better and shoud(I said Should) have top 10-15 teams in the next few years.
Toronto, unlike the others, are going nowhere.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
It's true. That is all. I am absolutely exhausted of analyzing it. They suck, end of story.
Habs get number 25 this year
i mean its just tough to the the bright side when they just keep trading youth away for old worn out players they did this for a long time in past years and well the management needs a complete rework before this club can return to glory,, look at ottowa a few years ago they were struggling finishing in the 8th spot most of the time but they were building a young team and now look at them they will be one of the more domineant teams in the league for the next 5 to 6 years
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Alex
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 08:03:31
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Mind you, I feel that if they were to make the playoffs, the worst would be behind them. I could see them going to the conference finals even this year, provided they make the post season. They are completely different in the playoffs.
Maybe that is just me having wishful thinking.
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 08:25:39
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Originally posted by Alex
Mind you, I feel that if they were to make the playoffs, the worst would be behind them. I could see them going to the conference finals even this year, provided they make the post season. They are completely different in the playoffs.
Maybe that is just me having wishful thinking.
Habs get number 25 this year
getting there is the trouble,,, Sundin would have to carry them in
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Alex
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 08:26:43
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I said it in the 'Dominator' forum, and I think it is time I say it here, all hypothetical, but a Raycroft - Osgood trade would do well for the Buds, think how far the Eagle took them.
Habs get number 25 this year |
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pensfan17
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 18:39:36
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Originally posted by Alex
I said it in the 'Dominator' forum, and I think it is time I say it here, all hypothetical, but a Raycroft - Osgood trade would do well for the Buds, think how far the Eagle took them.
Habs get number 25 this year
Detroit wouldnt trade osgood for raycroft |
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kipper_kariya
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:16:19
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toronto is the worst team ever they have jason blake, sundin, raycroft,toskala,antropov and they still suck
its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog GO FLAMES!! WOOO |
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pensfan17
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:33:48
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wow toronto is tied for eighth, just terrible |
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Guest9184
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:39:27
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Originally posted by kipper_kariya
toronto is the worst team ever they have jason blake, sundin, raycroft,toskala,antropov and they still suck
its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog GO FLAMES!! WOOO
Here's a post with substance.
While the Leafs are underachieving, it can be noted that there are other teams that have big name stars and are doing the exact same thing. Take LA for instance. While they don't boast excellent goaltending, they do have Cammalleri, Brown and Kopitar, three excellent young players, perfect for the new NHL. Couple that with veterans like Handzus, Frolov and Nagy, they should have a great offensive team. But they don't. They also have Brad Stuart, Rob Blake and Lubomir Visnovsky, three great defensemen but they aren't that great.
Leafs management have made some bonehead moves in the past trading youth for quick fixes. But in their defense, which prospect apart from Brad Boyes and the draft pick that was Cammalleri, has come back to really show they are proven NHL'ers.
Really, the Leafs aren't the NHL's worst team, but are nowhere near the best. Let's be realistic, in a market where there have been promises of the playoffs and a cup for forty years, of course the disappointment leads people to believe that the Leafs are far worse than they are. The media scrutiny and hatred across the NHL for the constant attention is really what's behind all of their "sucking".
Like everyone knows, if the Leafs do well and fix their numerous management and organizational problems, the coverage will die down. We know that, apart from Wade Belak scoring, all people want to hear about is how bad the Leafs suck.
I do agree that the rest of the teams up on that list are not making promises of the playoffs and have a solid core of youth to build a good team out of in the coming years. However, should the Leafs decide to finally rebuild, I doubt that they would be any worse off than the rest of those teams. |
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ERTW0T9
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:41:01
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| Sorry that last post was me. |
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Alex
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Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:47:04
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I agree with you ERTWOT9, the media turns Toronto into a far worse team than they are.
I never heard anyone complain every five minutes about how bad St. Louis or Chicago were last year...?
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Guest9252
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Posted - 12/18/2007 : 10:23:34
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| Yes but I also never heard any Chicago or St. Louis fans last year say that they were definitely going to win the Stanley Cup...fans can be a reason for a team being hated... |
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Antroman
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 11:19:58
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| Hey Guest 9252 - Most of the Leaf fans stating "we are going to win the cup" are merely having fun and their tonges are firmly planted in their cheeks. You would quite truthfully have to know if you were any kind of hockey fan that the Leaf's chances, at least at this point in time, are slim to none of even making the dance, let alone winning it. I joke around constantly everwhere I go with fans of other teams and when they say "the Leafs suck" I always say "what are you talking about we are going to win the Cup". They laugh and I laugh and then the jibbering back and forth begins. It is merely hockey fun. I do not find too many people in between, they either love their Leafs or absolutely hate them. They think I'm crazy and I think they are the enemy. It is just a hoot. One of The Leafs mottos is "The Passion That Unites Us All". I call it "The Passion That Separates Us All". True or False? |
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Antroman
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 11:22:11
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| Guest 9184 Your post was excellent. Enjoyed the reading. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 20:09:26
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it is true they are deffinetly not the worst team,,, personally im habs fan and yeah we`ll be sitting in the same spot as the leafs at the end of this season ,, just out of the playoffs,,,, all i hope is we do not make the same mistake as we did last year in keeping sheldon souray who was a unrestricted free agent instead of getting something for him,,, this year ryder kovy and huet are all going to be lost at the end of this year,,,,,, hopfully we dont hold on to them in desperation and go get some payoffs for them,,
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Antroman
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Posted - 01/03/2008 : 10:20:15
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| Hey Pasty, I think Carbonneau's Habs are a real sleeper team this year and I am quite worried about it because I really do not like them at all. They do not have any part of the team that you could say was blue chip but collectively they do everything right on most nights. As a team they are good defensively, they score just enough goals to usually stay in any game, their goaltending by committee is solid enough and their defense first coaching is superb. I have seen this act from Montreal before over the course of time and quite frankly I feel they are going to make the playoffs and then look out scout. Of course, this is not what I want to have happen but I think they can compete with any team in the east including Ottawa if the Senators do not shore up their defensive play and their goaltending. I hope this opinion is just biased fear but if it comes to fruition it will be my worst nightmare coming to reality. Can anyone else sense this happening? |
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Guest2918
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 09:09:52
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| I AGREE. MONTREAL REAL THREAT IN THE EAST. THEY HAVE GREAT GOALTENDING SOLID DEFENSE. KOIVU KOVALEV RYDER AND COMPANY NOT A BAD FORWARD LINE UP IN MY OPINION. I SAY THEY FINISH 6TH AND MAKE 2 ROUNDS AT LEAST. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 09:38:30
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Ok, let's look at this logically. Toronto, statistically is nearly worst team in the league. They are 26th in points and would be the 2nd worst if not for points given for OT losses. They are 26th in goals against in the league(with that "Proven NHL" defenseman group). They They are 26th and 24th respectively on the PP and PK. Don't kid yourself, they are not a good team.
Argueable, they may not be the absolute worst this year, but where are they going?? What do they have on their team or in their system that will make them better?? What do they have that they can use in trades to make them better?? They only shot they have to improve is using the Free Agent Market, which is expensive. The other teams that are lower than the Leafs in the league are what most would consider "rebuilding" and have 3-5 players under the age of 22 that have huge potential. (Cogliano, Gagner, Gilbert, Nilsson in Edmonton for example)
And to the guy who was "bashing" LA. I am not an LA fan per se, but c'mon. Firstly, you hit the nail on the head, horrible goaltending. Plus, you named 9 guys. A team is 22. Brown, Kopitar, and Cammallarri are doing their jobs. Blake is past his prime, Brad Stuart is highly over rated, and Vishnovsky is doing his job. Then you talk about Handzus(who has never had more than 58 point in a season), Nagy(who is at his career average in scoring) and Frolov(who, by the way, is only in his 5th season and is above his career average in scoring.) Out of those three "star vets" only Handzus is not producing. What's your point?? In fact, Brown, Kopitar, Cammallarri, Vishnovsky, Frolov, and Nagy have produced over 60% of the scoring for LA. They are doing their jobs. It's not their fault that the out of the other 19 guys that have staked for LA this year, maybe 5 of them are bonified NHL players and that a pylon would do a better job in net.
However, I still look at LA and see a lot more potential for the future than in TO. Mark my words, unless their are some drastic changes or a complete act of God, TO will be in the bottom 10 teams in the league for the next 3 years at least.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 19:14:24
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It's funny how many people are saying the Leafs are the worst when there are worse teams. A team that is simply going nowhere, the Tampa Bay Lightning.
They boast the second worst team in the league and give up the most goals/game in the entire league. Apart from their "Big 3" depth is sparse. Goaltending is an absolute joke and their defense is among the worst in the league.
And they have absolutely no future. Their minor league affiliate, the Norfolk Admirals, are among the worst in the AHL. They have no big stars in their midst, mainly because their minor league clubs have mainly marginal 3rd-4th liners.
The only thing that Tampa has other then the "Big 3" is money. They have 6 mil left for this year and only 31 mil in guaranteed money next season. Unless they get some prospects and goaltending, this club is going nowhere.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 20:56:00
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Leafsfan, the difference is exactly what you said, the Big 3. How valuable are those three guys in the trade market. Without embelishing, those three guys combined are worth 2 1st line players, 2 2nd line players, 4-6 prospects, and 5 draft picks. That, right there, is an instant rebuild.
And a bad defense?? Team wise maybe, but don't forget, their blue chipper has been injured the entire season (Dan Boyle). Kuba is nothing to sneeze at. Paul Ranger is a Stud and the kid is only 23.
I know you are a Leafs fan, but seriously. Toronto could't trade any three of their players that would have the same value on the trade market as ANY of the Big three.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 00:42:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Pasty, I think Carbonneau's Habs are a real sleeper team this year and I am quite worried about it because I really do not like them at all. They do not have any part of the team that you could say was blue chip but collectively they do everything right on most nights. As a team they are good defensively, they score just enough goals to usually stay in any game, their goaltending by committee is solid enough and their defense first coaching is superb. I have seen this act from Montreal before over the course of time and quite frankly I feel they are going to make the playoffs and then look out scout. Of course, this is not what I want to have happen but I think they can compete with any team in the east including Ottawa if the Senators do not shore up their defensive play and their goaltending. I hope this opinion is just biased fear but if it comes to fruition it will be my worst nightmare coming to reality. Can anyone else sense this happening?
i hope you are right almost as much as you hope you are wrong hahaha but i really think the habs biggest problem is coaching i really dislike carbo and i think he is hurting our team,,,, but alll points made by beans i agree with but the leafs are still not the worst in my books,, maybe in a few years if this path continues but when we say worst we mean presently who knows what tomorow will bring moves can be made for now there futur looks bleak but im not a betting man i live in the world of facts and the facts are this year they are not the worst team and when next year roles around maybe they will be maybe they wont be time will tell i will not deem them the worst team this year because it SEEMS they have no futur we shall see when the futur rolls around!
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 06:48:05
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Ya, I understand that Beans but the biggest barganing chip for the Lightning is Lecavalier. Richards has a huge contract and teams are skeptical about St. Louis's performance if he is not with Lecavalier.
I think the Lightning want to build around Lecavalier so I don't think they want to trade him. So if you think about it St. Louis and Richards are worth individually maybe a second and third liner plus a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Either way, unless Lecavalier is traded and they hit gold in free agency, the Lightning are in a terrible situation. |
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PainTrain
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 10:00:42
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Los Angeles has a good group of young players. Cammellari,Kopitar,Brown,O'sullivan(who no one talks about), Alexander Frolov, Jack Johnson, Thomas Hickey and for their goaltending issue they have Jonathan Bernier. Lubomir Visnovsky will still be there for another 5 years. Brad Stuart is better if he is put in a shut down role. So that is something the Kings could do is get another shut down defenceman. They shouldn't have traded Matias Norstrom.
Nagy will add depth scoring. Handzus is a great penalty killer. And Calder, he could either be great for you or be a total bust. Also I don't know if you guys forgot but LA signed Tom Preissing who is injured right now but once he's back that will help for their defence.
Just from that you can tell that LA is going the right way. And in this years draft they could get another good player. Drew Doughty and Luke Shenn would be good candidates. Drew Doughty because of his two play and Luke Shenn because he would be another shut down player and play similar to Rob Blake. As of right now they could get the 1st pick so they could even take Steven Stamkos and then they would have 6 great young forwards. .
But if you look at Toronto who do they have that are good young players like LA or Edmonton? Alex Steen, Carlo Colliacovo, Ian White. That's about it. Toronto has to stop playing for the now and start playing for the future. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 11:44:55
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Ya, I understand that Beans but the biggest barganing chip for the Lightning is Lecavalier. Richards has a huge contract and teams are skeptical about St. Louis's performance if he is not with Lecavalier.
I think the Lightning want to build around Lecavalier so I don't think they want to trade him. So if you think about it St. Louis and Richards are worth individually maybe a second and third liner plus a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Either way, unless Lecavalier is traded and they hit gold in free agency, the Lightning are in a terrible situation.
You have got to be kidding me. St. Louis and Richards are worth a 2nd and a 3rd liner plus a 1st or 2nd round pick?? Seriously?? Brad Richards does so much more than just score. He played every forward position, PK, PP, and he's pure heart. He is worth well more than what you talk about. And St. Louis without Lecavalier?? That's the media in your head. Regardless of who his is playing with, he's a 1st line player on every team in the league. And he's another one that is worth well more than what you talked about.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 12:03:41
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Well, after all of the well thought out comments, I have to weigh in here.
My vote for worst team is Washington, followed closely by LA, Edmonton, and then a tie between TB and Toronto.
My feeling is that Tampa Bay is a much better team than this, and they will break out of this slump. Maybe not dramatically, but they will improve. On the other hand, I think Washington is playing as well as they can right now (see the two victories against the Sens?), and will settle down to the bottom of the standings later - one player does not a team make, even as good as Ovechkin is. LA will continue to play like they have - terribly - unless some key trade or firing/hiring happens to spark them (possible, as they are not short of talent, really). Edmonton, my beloved "second team", is just short on the players, really - but they have a bright future in this league, as they don't have to improve too much to get into a playoff spot next year. For now, they will be 'young' - inconsistent, defensively lax, etc. And the much talked about Toronto? When they're bad, they look like they're the worst; but when they play well occasionally, they can pull out a 3-0 victory against a team like the Sens that was crushing the opposition at the time. In the end, I think they are a bottom of the middle pack teams, and when pressed, they just might make the playoffs on Sundin's back - but that could just be the beer talking.
Teams not mentioned that will make it in the bottom 5? Buffalo, Chicago
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Guest9871
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 21:06:03
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| I think it is pretty unfair to call the leafs the worst team in the league right now. Altough they are a very poor club with a lot of struggles, they do not look or play as bad as washington and other teams on that list. The leafs need to stop in rebuild but thats hard for them becuase the fans are always wanting a good playoff run. And a lot of the fans here in T.O want them to rebuild but i do not think that they can wait 3-5 years for a new team, the team managemnet is almost forced to do these things to try and satisfy the fans needs. |
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pensfan17
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Posted - 01/05/2008 : 22:33:35
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| I dont think pittsburgh should be on the list anymore |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 09:03:44
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Okay, who's gonna take on Richards 7.8 million dollar contract. He isn't playing well right now and he has that huge contract. And what would a team give up for him?
And teams are skeptical about St. Louis without Lecavalier. Just wait and see how good St. Louis is without Vinny, definatly not how he is not. A second liner, a prospect, a 1st rd draft pick and a conditional pick is about right for both of them individually. I don't think that they are worth more then that. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 09:16:25
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Okay, who's gonna take on Richards 7.8 million dollar contract. He isn't playing well right now and he has that huge contract. And what would a team give up for him?
And teams are skeptical about St. Louis without Lecavalier. Just wait and see how good St. Louis is without Vinny, definatly not how he is not. A second liner, a prospect, a 1st rd draft pick and a conditional pick is about right for both of them individually. I don't think that they are worth more then that.
And that's why you(or I for that matter) are not a GM. $7.8 million for a proven Stanley Cup leader who is a 1st line Centre on all but maybe 5 teams in the league is about right. And I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head that would give up a lot more than what you are suggesting for him. Toronto is one of them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
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Antroman
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 12:31:57
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| I can count fingers on one hand the players that should be making seven million dollars and as much as I like Brad Richards, he just does not make the one hand. Unfortunately for Tampa he is going to be tough to move at that price? I think over the last 15 games the Leafs are the worst team in the NHL. I believe I'm qualified to say that as I live and die with them on a daily basis. At Least Tampa has Vinny and Washington has Ovechkin. As far as my team goes, they really didn't need those injuries to McCabe and Toskala? |
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Alex
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Posted - 01/06/2008 : 14:40:55
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Toronto's record is not too shabby.
Tampa? With the leading scorer, as well as St. Louis and Ranger and Richards and Prospal and a bunch of good players are going nowhere? Defense is a problem, deopth is a problem. They are underachieving
Habs get number 25 this year |
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Antroman
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 08:35:24
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| Maybe the Leafs and the Lightning should amalgamate and then the Toronto Lightning or the Tampa Bay Leafs might have a shot at the playoffs? The team would be fairly strong down the middle for sure!!!!! LOL |
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 10:34:21
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Originally posted by Guest9252
The teams are in order by points (right now) according to nhl.com with Washington having the least of course.
I voted for Toronto and I am not a leaf-hater but on paper they have lost 7 of 8 games, have the least wins in the NHL, have let in the most goals, are under constant scrutiny, their new players are really underperforming (Blake, Toskala), and they are relying more than any other team on getting a point in a losing effort. (league leading 6 overtime losses)
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Guest2218
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 10:35:57
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| tronto can'nt get any better, when there is very little skill! |
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:13:42
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SCREW EVERYONE WHO VOTED THE LEAFS AS THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO LEAF GO!!!!!!!!!! |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 18:08:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
$7.8 million for a proven Stanley Cup leader who is a 1st line Centre on all but maybe 5 teams in the league is about right. And I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head that would give up a lot more than what you are suggesting for him. Toronto is one of them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
How many teams can afford a salary like Richards. Toronto can't. Edmonton can't. Not many teams in today's NHL are gunna trade for an unproducing guy worth 7.8 mil. It's not going to happen. St. Louis has the smallest contract outta the Big 3, and still, teams will come biting but I don't think that too manhy of te offers are guna please Feaster. |
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