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Alex
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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2816 Posts |
 Posted - 03/04/2008 : 18:24:55
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Ovechkin Credentials:
Playing with no support for two seasons, this year he only has Mike Green on the powerplay, and of course Alexander Semin.
Despite that, he won the Calder trophy, up against Sid the Kid. 106 points as a rookie, most for a Russian and left wing.
NHL All Star three years running. 8 game point streak to start his career.
288 career points in 230 games, an average of 1.23 PPG.
One of the most exciting players to watch, makes great plays / scoring chances out of 1 on 1s, 2 on 2s and even 1 on 2s, at times. He scored ''The Goal''
He has a natural ability to find the net and makes a show for us every night. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, Ovechkin!
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 18:29:03
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HabsBiggestFan, you mentioned not being a Crosby fan... I would have chosen him, if not for two things. A) He got injured recently, in a routine play, and I cringe to think that he missed a quarter of a season in his third campaign. We saw better players go down this path (Harvey, Orr, Lemieux obviously, Bossy...)
B) I just do not find him as exciting. Ovechkin has the whole image. Call it dumb, but the red jersey and him just match. His smile when he scores, his originality, his brilliance, his celebrations, his ability to make plays from nothing, the many different ways he has to do things, the way he has not run dry even once ... ! I mean, you guys saw ''the goal''. You guys saw the four goal / game winning goal / broken nose performance. You saw him at the All Star game, in that shootout.
Now, is this why I picked him? Nope. Is it why I picked him over Crosby? Yes
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willus3
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 20:59:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Ovechkin Credentials:
NHL All Star three years running.
You're getting ahead of yourself. He's been an All Star twice. The all star game is something completely different.
"I broke a mirror in my house. I'm supposed to get 7 years of bad luck but my lawyer thinks he can get me 5."
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 21:14:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
Ovechkin Credentials:
Playing with no support for two seasons, this year he only has Mike Green on the powerplay, and of course Alexander Semin.
Despite that, he won the Calder trophy, up against Sid the Kid. 106 points as a rookie, most for a Russian and left wing.
NHL All Star three years running. 8 game point streak to start his career.
288 career points in 230 games, an average of 1.23 PPG.
One of the most exciting players to watch, makes great plays / scoring chances out of 1 on 1s, 2 on 2s and even 1 on 2s, at times. He scored ''The Goal''
He has a natural ability to find the net and makes a show for us every night. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, Ovechkin!
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Ahem I believe there's a kid named Niklas between him who just so happens to ahve more points than old Pat.
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2008 : 21:31:02
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Ya Alex can i be in comitee i accidently already posted that i nominate Crosby sorry about that. I can delete if you like
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 05:38:14
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Since we are putting in plugs for our nominations, here is my plug for thornton. He has the most points of anyone since the lockout.
Thornton: 309
Lecavalier: 296
Ovechkin:288
Crosby:286
Jagr:276
Heatley:276
Alfredson:269
*Those point totals are including this years points up to March 4, 2008.
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 12:56:55
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10 sounds good
"I'm not dumb enough to be a goalie."
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2008 : 18:18:16
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| I'll pass on this Alex. Thanks anyway. I may throw in a comment or two though... |
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/10/2008 : 16:49:49
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So is this still happening? It's a great idea but its been quiet around here lately.
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shinnyafterschool
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/11/2008 : 18:26:52
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I'd say it's still going, I'm sure Semin is a reliable guy. He probably just forgot, hopefully he didn't quit on us. BUT, I really think you should have no more that a week tops to get your voting in once the voting starts, or else people will lose interest fast.
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HabsBiggestFan
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Posted - 03/11/2008 : 19:48:09
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Originally posted by shinnyafterschool
I'd say it's still going, I'm sure Semin is a reliable guy. He probably just forgot, hopefully he didn't quit on us. BUT, I really think you should have no more that a week tops to get your voting in once the voting starts, or else people will lose interest fast.
"Desire is the most important factor in the success of any athlete. "
What's happening Alex? Are we still waiting for someone to nominate/put players in order? If we are still waiting when are we going to the 2nd round, if this keeps on it will take years to do this.
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shinnyafterschool
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 06:19:22
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Yeah, this may never even get to ten. If every pick takes 7 days, thats 210 days minimum to get the top 30.
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 18:39:47
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Originally posted by Alex
We are waiting on seminrules guys. Anyone hear from him? Any ideas on how to institue a rule to work around this?
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We could have a certain amount of days to make responses and if you don't respond in time you get kicked out and we have people wanting to get in to play. Might be a little to strict though. However im sure he has just forgot don't kick Semin out, he's a STARS fan.
STARS #1
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shinnyafterschool
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 06:38:00
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Originally posted by Alex
We are waiting on seminrules guys. Anyone hear from him? Any ideas on how to institue a rule to work around this?
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Well, As I already mentioned I thought a 7 day max would work well. I'm sure it's been seven days so if we can get the majority to agree lets go ahead with this thing.
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 03/13/2008 : 14:22:12
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I was thinking, maybe should we allow a ''wildcard'' voter, just for voting, not for nominating, to vote in the absence of a regular comitte member over a 7 day period?
In such a case, we would make the announcement ''the 7 day period has elapsed. So and so has forfeited their voting rights for this round. Any PickUp Hockey member wishing to participate in voting, for this round only, may do so in order to get the game going''
This would increase the amount of people we get, while maintaining some order, and making sure, for the most part, knoweledgable and appropriate members are in on what matters.
Thoughts?
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/14/2008 : 16:31:23
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Ya Alex im leaving tommorow for a week so im just letting you know in advance. Just in case a wildcard voter could fill in
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pensfan17
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
330 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2008 : 21:07:50
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leafsfan_101
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/23/2008 : 06:39:43
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Alex, we are awaiting your vote in Top 20 since 93.
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 11:11:49
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| All the posts are deleted. Also I think we could maybe lower it from 30 to 20. If were having trouble getting to 5 it will be hard to get to 30. Just an idea. |
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2008 : 10:34:56
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Ya im back so am i in next round?
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2008 : 18:03:51
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The guys who would be in if we continued the way we are are Crosby and Lecavalier. Well, Lecavalier has been a story of inconsistence. Some would say he has finally has his 'breakout' year - that would be last year, my friends. he is 2 thirds worthy for the votes, as one of three years that we are looking at, he was no superstar in comparisson to other options.
Crosby has been great, no question at all. Is it fair to put him lower because of an injury? Some would say no. Is it fair to guys like Marty Brodeur, or Dion Phaneuf, or Nicklas Lidstrom, to put him higher? I would say no.
Crosby has only played in the NHL two years and a half, roughly. We all have in engraved in our hockey psyche that he is the 'next' next one, or somewhere along those lines. What if these injuries keep up and he never has a full season again? I am worried. I think consistency defines greatness, to a degree. Crosby will make the list. But third is too early.
In my mind, a number of candidates are worthy, most notably:
Phaneuf
Some would say the next Scott Stevens. Why not? He was a stud from his first game. Largely undershined by co-rookies Ovechkin and Crosby, he does not get the attention that he deserves. Despite his incredible grit, intensity, and ability to turn any play into a dangerous one for opposing teams, he has only missed three career games to date. He also has 49, 50 and 57 (handful of games remaining this season). Pretty consistent. Ha also has no fewer than 93 PIM in each of his three seasons. He logs about 25 minutes of ice time per game, and really is a big part of the Calgary Flames. He gets my vote.
Brodeur
Some put a mini-asterisk near his career stats, saying that he played in front of great D for his whole life. Ya, well the post-lockout Devils were nothing special. Marty proved his worth I would say.
Other notables that I thought of for this round:
Marc Savard
Dany Heatley
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/29/2008 : 21:58:40
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Nick Lidstrom is by far the best D-man since the Post lockout by a long shot!!!!!! In the three years, he should have 3 Norris Trophies and Phaneuf will have 0. How can you even put him higher then Nick Lidstrom!? It makes me sick of even thinking about it!! In my mind, he shouldn't even be the second best D-man. Pronger and Niedermayer should be up higher and they also have a cup ring on their fingers. I won't deny that Phaneuf is a good D-man but he is not higher then those other 3 D-man and he does not deserve the 3rd spot on the list. If it's not Crosby as the 3rd, I will do the honour of leaving this committee with a big happy smile! |
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 13:43:56
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Sorry, I know I'm not part of this but how is Crosby not 1st? He is the youngest player to ever win the Hart Trophy and dominated the league last year. And to put Phaneuf, Thornton, Lecavalier o anyone before him is an absolute joke. The guy was injured this year and is a leathel force when playing. He should have gone 1st, but 2nd is, and should be, a lock.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 14:53:04
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Sorry, I know I'm not part of this but how is Crosby not 1st? He is the youngest player to ever win the Hart Trophy and dominated the league last year. And to put Phaneuf, Thornton, Lecavalier o anyone before him is an absolute joke. The guy was injured this year and is a leathel force when playing. He should have gone 1st, but 2nd is, and should be, a lock.
thornton has a considerable lead in points over every nhl player since the lockout,, i could easily see thornton ahead of crosby
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:13:19
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| But can you see Phaneuf over Crosby !!!!??? I still can't get over that!!!! |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:17:16
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You mentio Huet, saying he has the second best SV% post lockout. That may be true, however, I think there are other things that put big question marks in my mind, to the point where I would wonder whether he truly belongs on this list, let alone third spot!
Might I mention that to date, he has played 127 games since the lockout? That is less than two full seasons! He has only 80 wins in that span -- Brodeur gets more than that in two thirds the amount of seasons!
His breakout year in 2005-2006 was about as good as it gets, in terms of his play, and while he definitely was a Cristo-WALL he does not size up to the others in this topic of Top 30 Post Lockout.
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:22:08
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| Even though he has the 2nd best save % after the lockout how can he be put ahead then the person who actually has the 1st best save %. Guys, QUIT BEING BIASED TOWARDS PLAYERS YOU LIKE AND USE YOUR HEAD AND NOMINATE THE RIGHT PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!! |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:27:10
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quote:
Originally posted by PainTrain
Even though he has the 2nd best save % after the lockout how can he be put ahead then the person who actually has the 1st best save %. Guys, QUIT BEING BIASED TOWARDS PLAYERS YOU LIKE AND USE YOUR HEAD AND NOMINATE THE RIGHT PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with PainTrain! I think we may being a little biased here. Might I suggest that the criteria for 'best' means we assume the guy has an eighteen year career, and every three year cycle he repeats his performance from 2005-2006 until 2007-2008? Using that criteria, OK, so Crosby had two amazing year. And his third? Would you want a player like that on your team over, say, Thornton, if you knew that his rate of injury was once every three years? It won't be. For the sake of this topic, we need to judge it like it will be. Do you guys see what I mean?
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:33:53
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| Alex just tell me why you wouldn't want Crosby on your team after what he did last year? Also I doubt this injury will re-occur. He's been taking a lot of time off to make it healthy. So you're telling me you wouldn't take Bobby Orr on your team because he might get injured but in the years he is on your team he will lead you to the playoffs and win a Stanley Cup? I don't see why you should not have Crosby ranked lower because he missed a season. Look at how high Mike Bossy is on the Pickuphockey top 50 since 1967 list. And he was injured a lot. The season he had last year and the season he had before were amazing and that's why he should be rated at the top 3 NO QUESTION!!! |
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Alex
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:59:35
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Alex just tell me why you wouldn't want Crosby on your team after what he did last year? Also I doubt this injury will re-occur. He's been taking a lot of time off to make it healthy. So you're telling me you wouldn't take Bobby Orr on your team because he might get injured but in the years he is on your team he will lead you to the playoffs and win a Stanley Cup? I don't see why you should not have Crosby ranked lower because he missed a season. Look at how high Mike Bossy is on the Pickuphockey top 50 since 1967 list. And he was injured a lot. The season he had last year and the season he had before were amazing and that's why he should be rated at the top 3 NO QUESTION!!!
I do respect what he did, and therefore, I would say he deserves recognition. However, there is still the aspect that we are talking post-lockout, and that is three years. For him, that is only two and a half. You can not deny that this year was dismal. No matter the reason.
Was he the best when he was at his best? Arguably yes. However, messing up on one third of your seasonss does cost you. I would say not necissarily Top 3, but Top 5.
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 16:03:40
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| Alex remember this. This is the Top 30 since Post Lockout. The top 30 Best players since the lockout. Crosby is the best player since the lockout. |
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nashvillepreds
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 16:06:25
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yeah Alex, Crosby definitely deserves a top three spot.
Ellis or Mason?
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PainTrain
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 16:11:07
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| Alex I have another question. Why do you think Phaneuf should be rated higher then Crosby, Lidstrom and Brodeur? |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 16:13:56
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Alex I have another question. Why do you think Phaneuf should be rated higher then Crosby, Lidstrom and Brodeur?
I think that he does a lot of things that do not show up on the stats sheet. Not sure if I really would put him higher than those three, or if I was trying to make a statement and try to get people thinking instead of just looking at stats. I would have him over Crosby just because of the injury, Brodeur probably over Phaneuf, Lidstrom I need to do my homework on.
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 18:10:24
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Although Crosby was injured this season, he has still been quite dominant. His PPG is 1.35, .3 lower then Ovechkin's and is hjigher then Thornton's at 1.16. Last season, Crosby had a 1.52, which was higher then anyone else's in the league. Crosby is one of the only players in the NHL to have the ability to make others around him better. He makes Ryan Malone look like a goal scorer.
And there's a debate to whether he should even be in the top 3
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Pasty7
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Posted - 03/30/2008 : 23:10:04
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Originally posted by PainTrain
Even though he has the 2nd best save % after the lockout how can he be put ahead then the person who actually has the 1st best save %. Guys, QUIT BEING BIASED TOWARDS PLAYERS YOU LIKE AND USE YOUR HEAD AND NOMINATE THE RIGHT PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!
its not bias,, there was another thread where i argued hard on huet's behalf,, he also played for a defensivly handicapped and well very sub par canadiens team the first 2 years post lockout,,, he sees the 7 th most shots of any goalie and stops the 2nd highest percentage of those shots,, in my mind the guy like luongo come well before brodeur on this list,,, brodeur plays for a team that think D first and sees on average 22 shots a game,,, where as roberto and cristo see averages over 30,,,, the fact is Huet played less games because the first two years he was proving himself and this year a young stud took his place,,, if there had never been a carey price huet would have 35 + wins this year
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Alex
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 14:09:59
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Guys I think my little tangent kind of backfired, my bad  Phaneuf, Lidstrom, Huet and Lecavalier are all nominated and only Brodeur and Crosby are up on the ballot.
We can deal with this in one of two ways. Personally, I feel three guys should be on the ballot, which is why in the actual Top 30 Post Lockout I offered a PickUpHockey member to join the comittee for this round.
If you guys feel that Brodeur and Crosby are realistically the only two NHLers worthy of third spot, which would be justified, tell me and we will just begin the voting.
PASTY TOOK BACK HIS VOTE AND NOW WE WILL BE CONDUCTING ROUND THREE VOTING
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Gostarsgo12
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 15:51:43
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Originally posted by Alex
Guys I think my little tangent kind of backfired, my bad Phaneuf, Lidstrom, Huet and Lecavalier are all nominated and only Brodeur and Crosby are up on the ballot.
We can deal with this in one of two ways. Personally, I feel three guys should be on the ballot, which is why in the actual Top 30 Post Lockout I offered a PickUpHockey member to join the comittee for this round.
If you guys feel that Brodeur and Crosby are realistically the only two NHLers worthy of third spot, which would be justified, tell me and we will just begin the voting.
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crosby, brodeur and Lidstrom who i believe is also realistcally worthy.
Huet? Im sorry Pasty you put up a good argument but you cant put him ahead of Brodeur, Luongo, Nabokov, Turco etc.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 16:42:50
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i conceed it was a foolish nomination this EARLY in the list,,, Huet deffinetly has his place on this list but you're right when you say no way in the top 3 i deleted my nomination and seconded lidddy
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Gostarsgo12
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Posted - 03/31/2008 : 17:35:46
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Originally posted by Pasty7
i conceed it was a foolish nomination this EARLY in the list,,, Huet deffinetly has his place on this list but you're right when you say no way in the top 3 i deleted my nomination and seconded lidddy
Pasty
Hey at least you put up an argument when Semin Rules voted Modano in the first round without telling why it kind of made me think what the hell he was thinking even when Modano is one my fav players.
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