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hanley6
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 Posted - 01/02/2009 : 01:17:18
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Poll Question:
Who Should Toronto name as Captain? explain
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 01:23:36
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| I picked Luke Schenn because I feel he IS Toronto's best player. Works hard, lots of heart and love for the game and the Leafs, He never gives up whether the team is doing well or playing like crap. Very smart hockey player and he's only a rookie which in time he can only improve even more. He is the Future of the Leafs and he is one of the best Defensive Defensemen in the NHL. |
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Jephman
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 02:28:58
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Hanley, I don't think you understand how captaincy works. It isn't about being the best player, it is about being the best leader. To be a good leader you need to have experience. Schenn is an inexperienced player (You even said it yourself that he is a rookie, meaning he has little professional experience), which makes him a bad choice to lead the Maple Leafs at this point in time.
Personally, I would pick either Tomas Kaberle or Pavel Kubina. The reason I would take Kaberle is because he has been to the post-season 6 times, and he has also been with the Leafs for 10 years. On the other hand, Kubina is fairly new to the Leafs, but he did win a Stanley cup with the Lightning in 03-04, so he knows what it takes to win it all. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 08:49:43
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yes, you clearly dont understand the rules, as jephman said, you dont have to be that a good of player. you could be a old hockey player, who is in the end of his career, but had played the game for 19 seasons so you had a lot of experience and knowledge for the game, and being able to teach your teammates that knowledge.
for example, when they stripped lecavalier for the captains role, you know who took his place. Tim Taylor, no not Tim Taylor from home improvement. the one who isnt a huge name, a name you never heard around the NHL. but he was an NHL veteran, had loyalty, leadership so they made him captain. i guess maybe if you give shenn about 4 years he could be a captain, but not yet, he is only 19 you know, you cant just give him responsibilities that huge when he's just a baby.
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Originally posted by hanley6
I picked Luke Schenn because I feel he IS Toronto's best player. Works hard, lots of heart and love for the game and the Leafs, He never gives up whether the team is doing well or playing like crap. Very smart hockey player and he's only a rookie which in time he can only improve even more. He is the Future of the Leafs and he is one of the best Defensive Defensemen in the NHL.
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 10:12:45
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While I agree with both the last two posts, age and experience has not been a large factor on the appointment of many of the latest captains in the league. i.e. Crosby, Richards, Toews, Brown. I'm not sure if these decisions were based on true leadership qualities or were a publicity stunt, but this trend suggests that it isn't out of the realm of possibilities for the Leafs to name Schenn captain in a year or two.
Personally, I don't think any player deserves to be captain at this point, I don't believe there is a true strong leader in that locker room. So I'd have to vote that the team keeps their rotating 3 A's system (that doesn't mean they don't need a C, like in your last option).
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 12:41:06
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The only 2 players on that team who would deserve a C would be Kaberle and Kubina. The only problem is that the leafs are probably going to part ways with both of them within a years time, so naming one of them captain isn't really a great idea.
Having all the players push each other night in and night out will eventually create a situation where one of the new generation of leafs will stand out above the rest and grab this team and start to carry them. Until that happens I don't think they should name a captain just for the sake of having one. Its a big deal to captain the leafs and it should not be taken lightly. If Luke Schenn isn't the captain one day than I think it will be a player who isn't even on the team yet.
Matty Stajan would be a potential candidate I guess, but if he is our captain than we are in serious trouble. Stajan doesn't strike fear into the hearts of anyone.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 12:42:06
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And for the love of God, take jason blake's name off that list
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 12:47:57
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| The fact that grabovski and mayers have more votes than kubina shows how poorly people here actually understand the game of hockey. Although grabo is an excellent player, he will never be a captain of a team in any league. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 14:08:03
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No one has emerged as a potential captain for the leafs. Kaberle is the closest but I think he was not named captain because he will not be in TO come the trade deadline. The same goes for Kubina. If the leafs were to actually name a captain short term for the rest of the season, I am thinking Jamal Mayers. The captain does not need to named till the rebuilding is done.
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Hustler90
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 14:11:37
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| Gotta be Kaberle. He knows the Toronto team better than anybody else. Yeah usually a rookie isn't going to be Captain hanley. He is good and who knows if Toronto holds on to him and he proves himself he could very well be Captain. He is not Sidney Crosby enough to wear the "C". Just imagine Luke being Captain, Tomas Kaberle and Kubina and others are so more deserving it just wouldn't seem right. They have more experience and advice to give. |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 21:39:17
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i gotta say matty stajan. hes been on the team since 2002, 7 year leaf veteran. i think that he hasnt had enough ice time to play (in previous years) when Quinn was his coach he didnt get enough ice time because he was a rookie, and thats when the leafs had good chemistry and didnt want to ruin it by throwing in a rookie. when maurice was on the team he was a complete idiot, he barely gave stajan any ice time. and now stajan already has more points than he did last year all together. and right now i believe he is injured because a leaf kicked a soccer ball at his eye, and hit him. grrrr
and i mean he plays defence, offence, he hits, take hits, does many things to help to leafs, and i dont think he earns enough respect for it, and Matt Roberts. why dont you think blake is a candidate to wear the C, not that i entirely dont agree with you, but whats your reasoning.
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Savitar
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 10:43:22
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I'm gonna go with none of the above, especially not Luke bloody Schenn. The only person on that team that would actually carry the necessary requirements of experience, success on many levels, and several years in the Maple Leafs organization would be Curtis Joseph.
Can your backup goalie really be your captain?
I'm gonna say no.
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 13:09:22
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Originally posted by Jephman
Hanley, I don't think you understand how captaincy works. It isn't about being the best player, it is about being the best leader. To be a good leader you need to have experience. Schenn is an inexperienced player (You even said it yourself that he is a rookie, meaning he has little professional experience), which makes him a bad choice to lead the Maple Leafs at this point in time.
Personally, I would pick either Tomas Kaberle or Pavel Kubina. The reason I would take Kaberle is because he has been to the post-season 6 times, and he has also been with the Leafs for 10 years. On the other hand, Kubina is fairly new to the Leafs, but he did win a Stanley cup with the Lightning in 03-04, so he knows what it takes to win it all.
I know what Captaincy is.... Leadership has little to do with experience in a league. Leadership has everything to do with heart and soul of the team someone that is willing to go the distance someone who is willing to do anything to motivate the team. I can't think of anyone on Toronto besides Luke Shenn that fits that maybe Stajan. |
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Hustler90
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Posted - 01/03/2009 : 20:16:51
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| man if you ever became any kind of personnel in the NHL, I'd be scared out of my mind. The NHL would be messed up. |
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/04/2009 : 05:51:30
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Originally posted by Hustler90
man if you ever became any kind of personnel in the NHL, I'd be scared out of my mind. The NHL would be messed up.
same goes with you buddy. I know what I'm talking about so explain and I know what Leadership means so explain your theory little buddy. |
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Hustler90
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Posted - 01/04/2009 : 13:38:39
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| Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL. |
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Guest4631
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Posted - 01/04/2009 : 18:02:56
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.
could not have put that any better myself! |
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/04/2009 : 18:11:44
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did he actually say crosby should be in the minors? and did he really say that lemieux should be taken from the hall of fame because he had cancer, or were you joking, if he did hes friggin crazy
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.
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Guest4572
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 01:11:27
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| Whats the stick boys name, he would be as good a captain as any of them . Thats one of T.O.s bigest problems, no leadership . |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 07:47:28
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Gents, attempting to keep my own personal views out of this, I ask you to stay on topic and not make things personal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion as much as everyone is entitled to argue against that opinion. This site stays as good as it does because the debates stays about the opinion, not the person who has that opinion.
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 11:01:45
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i gotta say matty stajan. hes been on the team since 2002, 7 year leaf veteran. i think that he hasnt had enough ice time to play (in previous years) when Quinn was his coach he didnt get enough ice time because he was a rookie, and thats when the leafs had good chemistry and didnt want to ruin it by throwing in a rookie. when maurice was on the team he was a complete idiot, he barely gave stajan any ice time. and now stajan already has more points than he did last year all together. and right now i believe he is injured because a leaf kicked a soccer ball at his eye, and hit him. grrrr
and i mean he plays defence, offence, he hits, take hits, does many things to help to leafs, and i dont think he earns enough respect for it, and Matt Roberts. why dont you think blake is a candidate to wear the C, not that i entirely dont agree with you, but whats your reasoning.
Leafsfan_94
Here is a guy who, about a month ago, was a healthy scratch and was telling anyone who was willing to listen that signing in Toronto was a mistake. Doesn't sound too inspiring to me.... maybe I read too much into that, but I've also heard over the years that he is a total jackass and there are quite a few teammates of his that didn't like him at all.
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 14:34:45
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never heard anything about that.... well i guess i cant tel you your wrong, but i stick by what i said.
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i gotta say matty stajan. hes been on the team since 2002, 7 year leaf veteran. i think that he hasnt had enough ice time to play (in previous years) when Quinn was his coach he didnt get enough ice time because he was a rookie, and thats when the leafs had good chemistry and didnt want to ruin it by throwing in a rookie. when maurice was on the team he was a complete idiot, he barely gave stajan any ice time. and now stajan already has more points than he did last year all together. and right now i believe he is injured because a leaf kicked a soccer ball at his eye, and hit him. grrrr
and i mean he plays defence, offence, he hits, take hits, does many things to help to leafs, and i dont think he earns enough respect for it, and Matt Roberts. why dont you think blake is a candidate to wear the C, not that i entirely dont agree with you, but whats your reasoning.
Leafsfan_94
Here is a guy who, about a month ago, was a healthy scratch and was telling anyone who was willing to listen that signing in Toronto was a mistake. Doesn't sound too inspiring to me.... maybe I read too much into that, but I've also heard over the years that he is a total jackass and there are quite a few teammates of his that didn't like him at all.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/05/2009 : 14:52:01
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I remember last year when Sundin scored a goal, Blake went over to congratulate him after everyone else had and Sundin totally blew him off. After that, I knew something had to be up with this guy. Not to mention he would celebrate his ass off when he would score the 2nd goal in a 7-2 loss or something like that. Darcy Tucker would skate to the bench and give a couple low ki high fives in that situation 'cause he knew the team was getting smoked and the game was already over. It's called class and Blake didn't seem to have much.
I have to give him some credit though, I have been MUCH more impressed with his play since he was scratched. He seems to have found new life playing on a line with Dominic Moore. Good for him.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/06/2009 : 19:18:47
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Originally posted by Hustler90
Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.
ok you are putting words in my mouth. Yes I agree 19 years old can have leadership skills...I feel Cujo should be the number 1 goalie over Toskala because Cujo don't allow weak goals like Toskala does every game. I never said Crosby should be in the miners but he is a whining baby, I never said he couldn't play I just said he's not as good as Ovechkin and Malkin. I never said Mario Lemieux should be taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. I never said he should be taken out of the Hall of Fame period. He does belong there but I don't feel he is as good of a hockey player as Gretzky. I never said anything wrong about him having cancer, I felt bad for the guy. I respect him for making a come back. I was talking about early in his career before his back problems. I am not cold hearted like you are trying to make me sound, saying s*** that I never said. Get a life!!! |
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Guest4631
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Posted - 01/06/2009 : 19:59:18
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Originally posted by hanley6
ok you are putting words in my mouth. Yes I agree 19 years old can have leadership skills...I feel Cujo should be the number 1 goalie over Toskala because Cujo don't allow weak goals like Toskala does every game. I never said Crosby should be in the miners but he is a whining baby, I never said he couldn't play I just said he's not as good as Ovechkin and Malkin. I never said Mario Lemieux should be taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. I never said he should be taken out of the Hall of Fame period. He does belong there but I don't feel he is as good of a hockey player as Gretzky. I never said anything wrong about him having cancer, I felt bad for the guy. I respect him for making a come back. I was talking about early in his career before his back problems. I am not cold hearted like you are trying to make me sound, saying s*** that I never said. Get a life!!!
seriously schenn captain, he has played 14 games, cujo is a great choice for starter..... if it was 1999 not 2009. toskala is a fairly solid goalie but the team in front of sucks, lemieux had the skill to be as good as gretzky but injurys never let that story play out. as for crosby whinning, gretzky complained as much if not more and he was more protected then crosby ever will be. Hustler09 was clearly being a little sarcastic n over exagerating. and cant blame him.... you have been trying to knock crosby in every single forum you get a chance in. and you accuse lemieux of missing games for a hang nail, he only played 5 seasons befor he had his back surgury and it was a problem befor that 2!
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/06/2009 : 22:16:53
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seriously schenn captain, he has played 14 games, cujo is a great choice for starter..... if it was 1999 not 2009. toskala is a fairly solid goalie but the team in front of sucks, lemieux had the skill to be as good as gretzky but injurys never let that story play out. as for crosby whinning, gretzky complained as much if not more and he was more protected then crosby ever will be. Hustler09 was clearly being a little sarcastic n over exagerating. and cant blame him.... you have been trying to knock crosby in every single forum you get a chance in. and you accuse lemieux of missing games for a hang nail, he only played 5 seasons befor he had his back surgury and it was a problem befor that 2!
I know we are getting off topic again but when Hustler09 says things that I never mentioned I going to say something. Same goes with anyone else. About Schenn, there really isn't anyone else on Toronto beside Blake, or Stajan that shows heart or team spirit, loyalty, and leadership. I believe Schenn would be the perfect captain and he is the Future of Toronto. I agree Cujo is not the same goalie as he was 10 years ago but he is still the best thing Toronto has got as far as goaltenders right now. Lemieux was a great player for sure I'll give him that. But he couldn't kiss Gretzky's shoes as a goal scorer, playmaker or plain old hockey smarts. No one will. I've said this before,,, Gretzky's first 847 NHL games he had 1979 Points in only 847 games Gretzky had 256 more points than what Lemieux had in 915 games.
Even if Lemieux played as many games as Gretzky, Lemieux wouldn't have as much points. Gretzky racked points like no one else could. Gretzky actually was able to reach atleast 200 points in a season, that's unheard of not just once, not twice but 4 times. How many times has Lemieux had 200 Points in a season????? that's right,,, NEVER!!!. Again Lemieux was a great player, better than anyone in the NHL present day for sure, but he wasn't The Great One.. Sure Gretzky was protected but only the smart of his team, they didn't want to take the chance of him getting hurt. He was never protected by the League. There was no Rule stating you can't hit Gretzky. Gretzky could actually take a hit without having a fit or flopping around like a fish, like everyone's precious Crosby does now you all know that's true, you can't deny that. Crosby is a huge diver one of the biggest in NHL and he's also a dirty cheap shot artist. |
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Axey
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Posted - 01/06/2009 : 22:46:07
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I'm getting sick of this, you could say Lecavalier started it but it was definitely Crosby. This whole 'Ou we have an 18 year old who is going to be the face of our franchise in years to come, lets throw him the C'. Seriously? Is there any meaning left to the letter? Do you think some 39 year old veteran who has seen what it takes to win, has been there and knows the game better then these kids will for many years is going to respect these kids? Look at Detroit, look at all of the teams who have won the cup recently, have they had these jokes of captains? Sure one day they will deserve it but even if they do pipe up in the dressing room here and there and are very skilled there is so much more that comes with bein a captain. There is so much these players need to learn, and if they had great leaders around them they could pick it up and learn from these guys with all of the experience and knowledge they have. (Now here we go, everyone is going to lose their mind because this week its 'let's defend Crosby and maybe next week we'll turn and bash him' in stead of the alternative. I am not bashing Crosby, I don't mind him but I'm not all hyped up with Crosby mania either. Does he deserve his C? Maybe. Do the other young captains? Maybe. Are they doing a good job? Could be. All I am saying is that no matter the circumstances teams should always let their stars players come in and get some experience and learn a few things first. Look back when hockey was tough, look at the leaders everyone had then, tell me they compare to some of the young leaders of today and you my friend should re-evaluate your whole thought process.)
I believe it is definitely Kaberle who should have the captaincy if anyone besides well probably Curtis Joseph if he wasn't on the pine pony all of the time, a guy who resembles him would be perfect for captaincy. I liked the direction this team was going with Cliff, he did an awesome job of getting rid of the dead weight, bringing up some younger players and was probably 4 or 5 moves and a draft away from a contending team. Now with Burke, who was signed as the next thing to god himself, is doing nothing right now, Bob Gainey has made more deals since his signing then Burke has (Ahah not a serious move just the Kemp deal). I do however expect Burke to go pretty crazy at the deadline and summer. But once again he has acquired a team that is not that far away from contending if you look at the big picture. All that is needed is about 2 or 3 gritty veteran players, a couple of stars up front and ladies and gentlemen this team wouldn't look bad. I just believe that for the job that Cliff did he was let go unfairly and disrespectfully, yes he knew he was the 'interim' GM but I just feel for the guy. Have a little dignity T.O. and this is coming from a die hard Habs fan.
Also I think the biggest mistake that the Leafs ever did was letting go of Pat Quinn, what a great coach he is and I said that since he was hired and fired in T.O and it wasn't just the world juniors that made me jump on the bandwagon. But I suspect him to be in Ottawa very shortly and I said this before TSN informed everyone, as soon as I first heard word of him and Eugene on good terms and becoming to buddies. I know I went a little off topic but hey, I had to get it all out.
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 00:16:44
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Originally posted by Axey
I just believe that for the job that Cliff did he was let go unfairly and disrespectfully, yes he knew he was the 'interim' GM but I just feel for the guy. Have a little dignity T.O. and this is coming from a die hard Habs fan.
Cliff Fletcher wasn't let go at all. He is still in Toronto's Management he is the Special Advisor |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 03:18:53
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Hanley6, people do not agree with you, get over it. You have stated your opinion and they are giving theirs. Neither is right or wrong, that is what hockey blogs are all about. You get of topic by letting yourself get all freaked out that people are not agreeing with you and in turn it ruins what is a good topic for discussion.
The next captain for the leafs is going to be a hot topic for all leafs fans until one is named. Most Leaf captains make celebrity status in the city and become fan favourites. The next captain does not have to be a Mark Messier type leader, he does not have to lead with skill, he simply has to be a player that the guys in the dressing room want to follow. In order to be a great leader, people must want to follow you. Hopefully the Leafs can find such a player. |
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MSC
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 06:42:51
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| I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise. |
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 07:20:12
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| i voted for no need for captain. this team is the most disconnected bunch of players the nhl has ever seen. never has so much interest been put together for so much time on a GM!! people don't even care about the players anymore, they are more interested in burke!! he doesn't skate, score, or stop pucks - the players do, and they don't know how to do that yet this year!!! as mentioned before, the stick boy should be captain, he's been there the longest and shows up EVERY night to do his job... that's leadership the players should learn from. |
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Guest4631
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 08:47:39
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Hanley06 you are seriously going to say Blake as captain and he has heart. have your ever seem him play? plus he is dirty and according to your opinion of crosby you dont like that kind of player, as for lemieux greztky, mario was the better goal scorer, that was admitted by the great one himself, ass for 200 years sorry mario only had a 199 point year in 76 games, and all of gretzkys 200 years came during his years on the oilers super team not knocking gretz he was amazing but he wasnt that far ahead of mario to say he couldnt even kiss his shoes. come on get real do u even watch hockey or just read stats?
and after 14 games u seriously cant put schenn as one of the best defensive defencemen in the league yet.
as for t.o's captain i beleive they will stick out this year with the group of alternates and the captain will be someone they obtain in the offseason or through trades this year |
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Axey
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 09:26:33
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Originally posted by MSC
I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise.
If you are referring to me, I didn't say he should start, I said he has the perfect knowledge and experience to be the captain over the other players in the dressing room. Toskala is obviously the starter.
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MSC
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 09:59:48
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No I don't think it was you, it was the same person who as of late has been making ridiculous comments. However to touch on your points if I may...
Luongo being named captain should by no means open up a flood gate of goalies becoming captains. Prior to this year you would have never considered Cujo as captain. He has no right or business even being considered for captain. Even if Cujo was in his prime and starting for the Leafs there are other players on the team who are far more suitable and would be far more effective with a C on his chest. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 10:38:41
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Is it any wonder why Dave Keon wants nothing to do wtih the Leafs, even after all these years? What a mess.
(they are my favorite team too....and i also have many ulcers...)
One day baby....one day..... glory
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Axey
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 10:43:35
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Originally posted by MSC
No I don't think it was you, it was the same person who as of late has been making ridiculous comments. However to touch on your points if I may...
Luongo being named captain should by no means open up a flood gate of goalies becoming captains. Prior to this year you would have never considered Cujo as captain. He has no right or business even being considered for captain. Even if Cujo was in his prime and starting for the Leafs there are other players on the team who are far more suitable and would be far more effective with a C on his chest.
Yes I agree, you are getting me wrong here in the other comment I was saying if they had a player with his experience and knowledge and what not that would be perfect for captaincy. I do not like the idea of a goalie being a captain one bit. Also he isn't even really that much of a standout but on this team I think he would be leading candidate if he was a player and not a goalie. Kind of see what I'm saying?
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hanley6
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 20:01:26
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Originally posted by Axey
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Originally posted by MSC
I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise.
If you are referring to me, I didn't say he should start, I said he has the perfect knowledge and experience to be the captain over the other players in the dressing room. Toskala is obviously the starter.
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forumer09
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 06:44:52
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| i think luke chien hes young and the leafs can work oin him and hes not a bad player |
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Reeder17
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 08:51:31
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Brad May for Captain..
Crosby is not the Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. |
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Guest9729
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:14:37
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| Toskala is the man. He will be back and stronger than ever. And will be the next GREAT LEADER. |
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Guest4037
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Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:17:03
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Im surprised I havent seen Poni's name yet, he is on of the better players on the leafs, but thats not why I picked him as I know I would get chopped down like the last guy.
Hes a fairly big guy and has been on the leafs since 1998, I think he would be a great captain. other then that, Kaberle definatley. |
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Who Should Toronto name as Captain 
