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Guest8332
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 Posted - 01/09/2009 : 11:19:14
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So where are all the leafs fans that call out the Sens player but shuts up when it is one of their own?
Grabovski abuses refs. He should be suspended for life. This is worst than (fill in your worst on ice) incident. Good gracious how can people allow this guy to even play ever again?
(kidding but some silly leafs fan make the same comment for biting). And yes, I specifically left out detail just like some leaf fans.
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Axey
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 11:26:37
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Funny thing is the ref actually got the best of him. Sad. Sergei goes at him every game they play, it is starting to bring back a good rivalry with the Habs and Leafs with the help of other players full of emotion. I'm starting to like these games again, they were boring for quite a few years.
Also with Sergei and Grabs having their disagreement, what about the Kahsakstan team? LOL Does this rule them out of Olympic gold? (Sarcasm people, sarcasm)
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Leafsfan_94
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 12:22:17
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oh c'mon he barely touched him, and the habs players are provoking him. i remember the last habs game before last night, and saku koivu comes over and starts chirping to him, getting under his skin. i would be mad too if theese idiots start trash talking me, i woulda probably gave the ref a shot or HUGE shove. the fact of the matter is its a light shove, and he might have kicked a glove or two, maybe 1 game at the most, for life is just stupid
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Guest8332
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 12:43:53
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
oh c'mon he barely touched him, and the habs players are provoking him. i remember the last habs game before last night, and saku koivu comes over and starts chirping to him, getting under his skin. i would be mad too if theese idiots start trash talking me, i woulda probably gave the ref a shot or HUGE shove. the fact of the matter is its a light shove, and he might have kicked a glove or two, maybe 1 game at the most, for life is just stupid.
This same argument can be used against the Ruutu biting icident and the request to be suspended for life. I will let your words with some modifications defend the Ruutu biting incident.
"oh c'mon he barely bit the glove, and the Peeters stuck his thumb in his mouth. i would be mad too if these idiots faced washed me and tried to fish hook wtih his thumb, i woulda probably gave the bit him or bit his HEAD. the fact of the matter is was a small nibble on the hockey glove, and he might have drew a drop of blood or two, maybe 1 game at the most, for life is just stupid."
Haa!!! You obviously didn't see the sarcasm and humour in this topic vs. the Senators Bite topic.
BTW, Grabovski got 3 games for his actions. |
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:02:08
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Dude, don't paint all leaf fans the same colour as hanley6. He was the one saying a bunch of stupid s*** like ruutus bite was worse than mcsorleys club to the head of brasher.
Grabovski let his empotions get the best of him and he slightly shoved a ref. The ref tackled him before that, and better yet, why the hell were they breaking that fight up? Let them go at it for a bit, burn some energy, then break it up. Don't jump in the middle of two guys who are ready to square off.
You sens fans sure are reaching for something here to make yourselves feel better...
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:17:24
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Agreed. Leafs fans are not like hanley and LF_94 (most are, but you can find some smarter ones.) The Leafs - Habs game from yesterday was like something of old; hard hitting, fast paced and many scraps. Grabovski did get a bit carried away, yes, and the suspension he got (3 games) I think was deserving, but a bit overinflated (Rutuu got 2 games, Grabo should've gotten 1). Despite that, the blatant disregarding of an official wasn't done without purpose, and the refs should have known their places and let Grabo and Kositsyn fight it out.
BTW, on a side note, I think that th Brad May acquisition was justified in yesterday's game. The way the Leafs played yesterday is the team Burke is trying to build, and May embodied that pretty well. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:17:28
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
oh c'mon he barely touched him, and the habs players are provoking him. i remember the last habs game before last night, and saku koivu comes over and starts chirping to him, getting under his skin. i would be mad too if theese idiots start trash talking me, i woulda probably gave the ref a shot or HUGE shove. the fact of the matter is its a light shove, and he might have kicked a glove or two, maybe 1 game at the most, for life is just stupid
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This is completely irrelevant. The integrity of any sport, hockey or otherwise, is dependent on the officials ability to do their job. You notice in every other sport in the world, there is absolutely zero tolerance for any contact with the official. Something like this in the NFL, MLB, NBA, European Soccer, anywhere else would have had a far more significant punishment. Just another example of the NHL getting discipline wrong.
Contact with the Ref is absolutely shameful and be treated as such. In my humble opinion, the Leafs should levee some kind of discipline as well. That makes the whole team look bad. Seriously, there are few things worse in sport than disrespecting the game by intentially contacting an official.
Now, before you attack me, I am not saying a life time ban either. It was a joke and should be taken as such. But, what message does this send to the rest of the players in the league??? A 3 game suspension for contact with the ref?? It's weak, just like almost all other NHL discipline. |
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Guest4631
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:31:29
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wow one sarcastic comment and leafs fans get all bent out of shape n defensive. 3 games is an fair suspension for grabovski, yes it was a light push so an exsesive suspension would be to much. the 3 games is just enough to show that any contact with the ref will result in suspensions
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Matt_Roberts85
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 13:38:35
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dude, i'm not getting bent out of shape.... I agree with the suspension and what beans said. Contact with the officals is definatley a big No-No. All I was saying is that they should have let them go at it, but since they did get between them, grabo and kostitsyn should have let it go.
Sometimes I wish these conversations were taking place face to face, it sounds like people are getting 'bent out of shape' online when really, they're just talkin'
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 14:04:17
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Lets not get ridiculous. There is an automatic suspension and he got 3 games for contact with ref and I agree that no player should ever touch the Ref or linesmen. A lifetime ban? Put down your bottle and ask your mom if she smoked something wacky while she was pregnant with you. Use some common sense for petes sake. There are some leaf fans that are members here that may be a little over the top but don't let that cloud your sense of reasoning. Grabovski and Kostitsyn have had fued that some say goes back to younger days in Russia. They get in each others face every game. I personally find it exciting to see some of that old hatred between Leafs and Habs again.
I think the comparison of a player that got fustrated and has an ongoing fued with another player to that who bit another might have set off alarm. Biting is just plain immature, and pathetic. Ruuttu also has a history of disrespect for the other players in the league. That is why i would say your joke was not well recieved. It is kind of like a surgeon saying "Good Luck its my first surgery" to you just as the anesthetic takes effect |
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DangleFest89
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 15:09:15
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| didn't Garbageoski but end carey price? who wouldnt wanna beat the crap outta him when he does that to your star goalie, sure it was last game but still |
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Guest2715
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 16:51:56
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Guest8332 = stupid Habs fan,
You just can't go anywhere without bumping into one. |
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Guest6362
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 19:53:13
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Hahaha, Price a star goalie....he's slightly better than average.
I think the comparison of the Grabovski and Ruutu suspensions is justified. Grabovski get more games than a guy who bit someone??? That makes no sense.
Grabovski vs Kostitsyn is like watching women's boxing. The ref saved them both some embarrassment. |
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Axey
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 08:50:30
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Alright, what you have to take into account is Grabs gave the birds to the crowd. Kicked snow at the linesmen and shoved him quite a bit as well. God only knows what was being said that could have added on. Player to player is one thing but player to ref is another, the NHL does not want players taking liberties on refs. They shouldn't have to worry about being harrassed by players. Verbal is one thing and physical is another as well. Grabs is a little girl, and I'm happy he is gone from the Habs myself. I did once like him as a player b4 I got to know his personality somewhat.
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 11:02:25
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The 3 games is the minimum based on the NHL rules. As cited on NHL.com
The suspension is a result of Rule 41.4 - Category llI. The rule states: "Any player who deliberately applies physical force to an official solely for the purpose of getting free of such an official during or immediately following an altercation shall be suspended for not less than three (3) games."
But here is a question for everyone. Shawn Avery has a torrid history of suspensions and other garbage, but to my knowledge, he has never touched an official. To explain the hipocracy of the NHL discipline, answer this question:
How many games would Avery had got if the did the exact same things as Grabovski??
The fact that is would be different tells me how out of wack the discipline in the NHL is. Punish the infraction, not the player and it will become effective. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 01/10/2009 : 11:15:59
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Lets not get ridiculous. There is an automatic suspension and he got 3 games for contact with ref and I agree that no player should ever touch the Ref or linesmen. A lifetime ban? Put down your bottle and ask your mom if she smoked something wacky while she was pregnant with you. Use some common sense for petes sake. There are some leaf fans that are members here that may be a little over the top but don't let that cloud your sense of reasoning. Grabovski and Kostitsyn have had fued that some say goes back to younger days in Russia. They get in each others face every game. I personally find it exciting to see some of that old hatred between Leafs and Habs again.
I think the comparison of a player that got fustrated and has an ongoing fued with another player to that who bit another might have set off alarm. Biting is just plain immature, and pathetic. Ruuttu also has a history of disrespect for the other players in the league. That is why i would say your joke was not well recieved. It is kind of like a surgeon saying "Good Luck its my first surgery" to you just as the anesthetic takes effect
exactly he made minor contact with a ref that constitutes a 3 game suspension which he got. he certainly does not merit the next level suspension of 20 games. as porkchop said put down the bottle, 3 games is fine and in my opinion and before you call me a dillusional leafs fan i am a habs fan and have no love for the leafs but the refs made a mistake they should have just let the two go,, it was a fair fight both players were ready to go the officiating was extremly poor in this game and they created the situation where graboski's emotions got the better of him, again it was a poor situation but it happend lets not get excited next time lets just let sergei and Grabs dance next time
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