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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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 Posted - 04/30/2010 : 09:27:57
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I'm not a huge Ovie hater, nor am i a huge fan of his. I respect his talent, i enjoy watching his highlight reel goals and rushes up the ice, etc but i can't get over the fact that this snow job, while "not a big deal", was intentional.
Keep in mind, i agree, it's not in the same mold as attacking a camera person, but it's still an act that i'd like to think a pro would refrain from doing. If this was a kid in Washington in a Cap's jersey, it'd be a little different. It's clearly a kid out on the ice as part of the introduction of the hometown Canadiens and what Ovie did was simply childish!
polishexpress..... How can you question just how much spray hit the kid and why bother to mention that the kid didn't flinch? It's clear to me when i watch it that most of the spray did hit the kid, albeit not high enough to get him in the face. That might be why the kid didn't flinch?
Either way, a very amateur thing to do from a highly paid, highly regarded and highly skilled professional athlete! |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/30/2010 : 19:58:30
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Obviously, Alex, I'm playing devil's advocate.
And, I am going to advocate some more: there is no doubt that Alex Ovechkin meant to make a hard stop.
But, Ovechkin, although an NHL pro, is also human, and may have slightly miscalculated the angle necessary for the stop not to spray snow on the mini-hab.
Come on, Alex, I keep saying the same thing over and over, and fat elvis recognized this, and, I am going to quote myself again: quote:
Originally posted by polishexpress
It definitely wasn't the most professional thing to do, but does that really surprise you coming from Ovechkin?
I reiterate: THE VIDEO HAS A 5 SECOND INCIDENT. We don't have much context, neither do we have Ovechkin's comments on the matter.
It's Ovechkin, what did you expect him to do? He is not a true professional by any means. His overall conduct this year demonstrated that very, very clearly. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 00:34:39
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pe...... i fully understand what you're saying. I only questioned the part about the spray actually hitting the kid or moreso "how much" actually hit him.
To your reply about whether or not it surprises me, i get that too. It actually does in fact surprise me that any professional would do this. Having said that, i know where you're coming from with your comments and i wasn't questioning your entire post, just what i mentioned above.
Either way, no disrespect intended and i totally understand what you were alluding to! |
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Guest4988
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 09:38:13
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| To Polish Express, I'm just getting a chance to respond to your earlier reply to me. You said that comparing Ovechkin to earlier greats is like comparing the cost of a dinner today to that of 25-50 yrs ago? I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous comparison, in my opinion. Class is class in any era !! Also, Beans noted in an earlier post that past greats such as Sakic, Gartner, etc would never have done what Ovechkin did to that kid. As far as what should we expect from a young athlete in this generation, Yzerman & Sakic played against Ovechkin and were rich, but never behaved like Ovechkin does. Listen, I have no problem with Ovechkin's skills ( he's one of the top two players in the NHL today ), but I think he lacks in the class and respect for others departments. |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
671 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 13:11:14
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Originally posted by polishexpress
I think pickles you may have misunderstood my post a bit.
I don't condone what Ovie did in spraying the flag kid, but was it really that big a deal? The kid barely flinched. And, pickles, you can't actually say he did it on purpose: in fact we only have one camera angle of an incident that takes less than 5 seconds. From our angle, we can't even prove that all of the spray hit the kid.
In fact, from the camera angle and length of the clip, it is inconclusive what his intent was. Unless, pickles, you can read minds?
Another thing, pickles, you said he did this because Montreal completed a comeback. What? This video is from either the first or second game in MTL(look at the timestamps in this thread), so that means that the Caps were either tied 1-1 or up 2-1. In no way would it have been an revenge thing or a warning.
I also don't mind people stating their opinion, I stated my own. What I was saying is that spraying a kid shouldn't be that big of a deal in comparison to the other things he does. It definitely wasn't the most professional thing to do, but does that really surprise you coming from Ovechkin?
I appreciate this response, polishexpress.
I wasn't necessarily responding directly to you ( I wasn't exactly keeping track of who was on which side).
I just wanted to rebut against some of the "fandom" pov's that seem to be floating around about this topic.
I wanted it to be clear that I have no partisanship on the issue, one way or the other. That is why in the one post I anonymized the player by simply saying "a player". It isn't about who did this, it is about the act. Imagine if it was Darcy Tucker or Sean Avery though!
I swear to god that every time I watch the video, it looks a little different though!! A little more innocent every time as a matter of fact.
Also, I must have been unclear as to the timing of the 'incident' (for lack of a better word), I was suggesting that Montreal cued a comeback in response to this. I was being facetious though I hardly doubt this registered on their collective radar.
Cheers polishexpress! |
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ThorntonisTHEMAN
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 15:00:22
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| I read throught this topic before I watched the video. By the time I was finished reading, I was like, "wow! I wonder what Ovie did this time!" Needless to say, I can't believe that there is a thread this long about a 5 second clip like this AFTER the kid's parents said they were cool with it. Are there really no better things to discuss? There wasn't even a topic made about Hossa's hit from behind which was EERILY similar to Ovie's. I like Ovie. I love his play! I understand why people don't like him. I can accept that. But ripping on him for something like this doesn't do a whole lot for me. If this was any other hockey player, it wouldn't be discussed. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 15:19:38
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Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
I read throught this topic before I watched the video. By the time I was finished reading, I was like, "wow! I wonder what Ovie did this time!" Needless to say, I can't believe that there is a thread this long about a 5 second clip like this AFTER the kid's parents said they were cool with it. Are there really no better things to discuss? There wasn't even a topic made about Hossa's hit from behind which was EERILY similar to Ovie's. I like Ovie. I love his play! I understand why people don't like him. I can accept that. But ripping on him for something like this doesn't do a whole lot for me. If this was any other hockey player, it wouldn't be discussed.
I partially agree, if this was any other player, it probably wouldn't be discussed, true enough. But, if it was another player of Ovechkin's stature in the game, a Crosby, a Henrik Sedin, a Joe Thornton from todays' game, a Sakic, Yzerman, Forsberg or even back to a Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Orr, etc., then I am pretty sure it would indeed be talked about and debated,.
The only problem with that comparison, is that none of the aforementioned would ever do something like this, justifying the whole discussion you say shouldn't happen...nothing like a paradox of bad behaviour to make one think. |
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polishexpress
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/01/2010 : 15:25:20
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Also is fun to see how people respond to various comments, as ones responded to mine!
That's the whole fun of this thread, really about a minor thing, but upon dissection, questions the whole fabric of Ovechkin himself.
Naaaa, who am I kidding? Most of us just like to argue a lot!!! |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 01:00:31
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
I read throught this topic before I watched the video. By the time I was finished reading, I was like, "wow! I wonder what Ovie did this time!" Needless to say, I can't believe that there is a thread this long about a 5 second clip like this AFTER the kid's parents said they were cool with it. Are there really no better things to discuss? There wasn't even a topic made about Hossa's hit from behind which was EERILY similar to Ovie's. I like Ovie. I love his play! I understand why people don't like him. I can accept that. But ripping on him for something like this doesn't do a whole lot for me. If this was any other hockey player, it wouldn't be discussed.
I partially agree, if this was any other player, it probably wouldn't be discussed, true enough. But, if it was another player of Ovechkin's stature in the game, a Crosby, a Henrik Sedin, a Joe Thornton from todays' game, a Sakic, Yzerman, Forsberg or even back to a Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Orr, etc., then I am pretty sure it would indeed be talked about and debated,.
The only problem with that comparison, is that none of the aforementioned would ever do something like this, justifying the whole discussion you say shouldn't happen...nothing like a paradox of bad behaviour to make one think.
I hate multi-quotes in one reply, but it is too tedious to clean it up...
But I highlighted the part in red that I am finding the most important. |
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Guest9232
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 05:34:52
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| Ovechkin always does that every game so just because there a Kid laying there not gona stop him from doing his routine. And the Kid was wearing Montreal sweather so he deserve it lol |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 23:53:06
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| Actually, a classy professional would have had the couth to not spray the kid, now that I think about it. I suppose this reflects his character then. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 13:16:45
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Just because Ovi did it everybody is making a big deal of it, if Laich did it I bet ya nobody would care. He was just playing around with the kid.
GO SHARKS GO |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 15:01:00
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Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks
Just because Ovi did it everybody is making a big deal of it, if Laich did it I bet ya nobody would care. He was just playing around with the kid.
GO SHARKS GO
Actually Laich stopped on a off ramp, on his way after the game, and spent 45 minutes helping a woman and her kid, change a flat tire. Not sure if you want to make that comparison.
Hmmm....thoughtful, considerate, helpful Saskatchewan guy, just lost a tough game to be knocked out of the playoffs, yet willing to help a person in minor distress, compared to a self-centered Russian hot-dog, who's fans perceive spraying a 6 year old, as a good time.....
Not exactly helping the Ovie train get back on the rails there.. |
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Guest4379
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 19:59:36
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I'm saddened by this. I realize that people are fervid about their team or opposing teams, but this has to be the most ridiculous waste of time it's been my misfortune to stumble across. Great plays? Amazing stats? Wild deals with millions being paid? Guns, drugs, and fast cars? No. A little kid gets to be on the ice with N.H.L. stars and got a taste of the game that my pre-posters would drool for. Not hurt, not scared, Exhilarated? I would say.
Please forgive me. I'm embarrassed that I've wasted your time, too. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 21:35:18
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Originally posted by Guest4379
I'm saddened by this. I realize that people are fervid about their team or opposing teams, but this has to be the most ridiculous waste of time it's been my misfortune to stumble across. Great plays? Amazing stats? Wild deals with millions being paid? Guns, drugs, and fast cars? No. A little kid gets to be on the ice with N.H.L. stars and got a taste of the game that my pre-posters would drool for. Not hurt, not scared, Exhilarated? I would say.
Please forgive me. I'm embarrassed that I've wasted your time, too.
Holy Razzies Batman!
I haven't heard this kind of overly dramatic rhetoric since Keanu Reeves thought he could be more than Bill...or Ted...whichever.
Don't be saddened, it's one thread of many, there are threads that touch on all you mentioned above, except perhaps the guns, drugs and social ills you pontificate upon.
Some of us choose to comment on our distaste for the circumstance, others choose to debate said comments, so far, none have chosen to go all martyr though....good call, be careful stepping down from that soapbox.
The point I've tried to stick to is regarding the class, or lack thereof involved. No need to be emabarrased, I'll gladly continue to waste your time, but only if you choose to allow me to. |
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Axey
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 00:26:18
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| As I said he pissed off the ghosts, that is why they dressed Dryden for the rest of the series. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 11:01:41
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
[quote]Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks
Just because Ovi did it everybody is making a big deal of it, if Laich did it I bet ya nobody would care. He was just playing around with the kid.
GO SHARKS GO
Actually Laich stopped on a off ramp, on his way after the game, and spent 45 minutes helping a woman and her kid, change a flat tire. Not sure if you want to make that comparison.
Hmmm....thoughtful, considerate, helpful Saskatchewan guy, just lost a tough game to be knocked out of the playoffs, yet willing to help a person in minor distress, compared to a self-centered Russian hot-dog, who's fans perceive spraying a 6 year old, as a good time.....
Not exactly helping the Ovie train get back on the rails there..
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Just saying I mean that if a superstar did it everybodys angry at them ,like say Scott Walker did it I bet you nobody would care
GO SHARKS GO |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 16:48:16
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
quote:
Originally posted by Jumbo Joe Rocks
Just because Ovi did it everybody is making a big deal of it, if Laich did it I bet ya nobody would care. He was just playing around with the kid.
GO SHARKS GO
Actually Laich stopped on a off ramp, on his way after the game, and spent 45 minutes helping a woman and her kid, change a flat tire. Not sure if you want to make that comparison.
Hmmm....thoughtful, considerate, helpful Saskatchewan guy, just lost a tough game to be knocked out of the playoffs, yet willing to help a person in minor distress, compared to a self-centered Russian hot-dog, who's fans perceive spraying a 6 year old, as a good time.....
Not exactly helping the Ovie train get back on the rails there..
Exactly.....
Game - Set - Match on this one! |
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Guest6813
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Posted - 05/10/2010 : 15:18:39
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| Im not an Ovi fan but who care, so the kids face was wet a few seconds and the kid would have liked it. It's not like the kid was crying |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 05/10/2010 : 17:54:20
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Originally posted by Guest6813
Im not an Ovi fan but who care, so the kids face was wet a few seconds and the kid would have liked it. It's not like the kid was crying
This is the type of response that really annoys me ! Because the kid didn't cry and because he might have liked it is not the point here! There was no need for him to do this. Why take the chance that maybe the kid wouldn't "like it"? You just don't do something like this in an opposing rink. If this was at the Horizon centre and it was a kid in a Cap's jersey, it'd be easier to see it as him clowning around with a guy who prob idolizes him! But in Montreal, c'mon......
I really wish anonomys guests wouldn't keep bringing this to the forefront. While i understand i have the option to not read it, i can't help it....then i regret clicking on it!!!  |
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Ovechkin snows a flag kid... 
