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nuxfan
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 Posted - 07/17/2010 : 16:59:18
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Tiller, me neither. I can't fathom why NJ would want to lose Zajac - they have gone to the trouble of getting Arnott back, so they have solidified their 1/2 centres - why then trade your up-and-coming-signed-to-an-awesome-contract Zajac?
Rolston? I can't imagine it, NJ would be lucky to get that trade. Rolston + draft pick? |
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/17/2010 : 20:09:04
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| what about Brad Richards for Kaberle ??( some kind of package deal ) any possibilities i wonder ? If Dallas is so cash strapped maybe they would like to move Richards. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 10:11:58
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I agree about Zajac, I can't see why New Jersey would be interested in trading a potential career #1 centre for a 32 year old defenceman. And because New Jersey is so competitive year in and year out I don't think their First rounder would be valuable enough for Toronto to take on Rolston for 2 more years at $5+ million. Also Burke isn't looking to add any older players and Rolston is 35+, so I really can't see a deal like that happening.
It's really hard to see what a deal would look like between Toronto and New Jersey.
As for Richards the deal would have to have some salary going the other way unless Jeff Finger is sent to the Marlies. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 14:57:54
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If the Devils do in fact sign Left Winger, Ilya Kovalchuk... the potential is there for the Devils to move out (aging), Patrick Elias.
The Devils would be stuffed at LW... with Kovalchuk, Elias & Parise. All of first line skill, having to play 1-3. Elias can be moved to RW, but, if the chance arises, I could the Devs moving Elias out.
But, do the leafs want Elias? He is a legit 1st Line winger. But, he is aging and does have a high cap hit. Something, the Leafs likely would like to avoid.
But could a deal be swung in the realm of:
To TOR:
Elias
+ Another mid-aged, roster player. OR, 2nd/3rd Rd Pick, OR, good Prospect.
To NJD:
Kaberle
(Maybe even going to NJD, a lesser prospect/later round draft pick).
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I don't follow either team a ton. But, at a glance, this trade seems to make a bit of sense to me. Burke gets a skilled Winger, that could help out Kessel on the top line. Allowing a young guy like Kadri or Bozak, to play first line Center. Since, the addition of a guy like Elias could help them along. By adding the skill and defensive play needed, to compensate for the inexperience of Kadri/Bozak.
The Leafs would also acquire an early pick (2nd RD likely), although in the latter stages of the 2nd Round. Or, a good prospect to help in the rebuild process long term. Another viable option, is a tough player to fill out the 3rd/4th line of the Leafs.
The Devils, get an offensive D-man of quality to pair up with other new comer, Anton Volchenkov. You'd have to think Volchenkov (As excellent defensively as he is), paired with a guy like Kaberle (As good offensively as he is), could be a great 5-on-5 pairing.
The Devils would also receive a throw-in, basically. Nothing of significance now, but maybe, a chance in the long-run. A not so coveted young player.
Elias is worth a fair amount. But, the Leafs would get the better pick/prospect, mainly due to Elias higher contract and age.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 16:27:01
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I had initially discarded Elias from consideration for that very reason - why does TOR want to take a 6M winger in the downside of his career, for their blue chip Kaberle? I would see that trade as a bit of a salary dump for NJ really...Elias is still good, but I don't think he's going to be PPG again.
Elias also plays C by the way... he could be TOR first line centre, which would take some pressure off of the other young centres. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 16:52:28
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Ya I proposed an Elias deal before but with what's is coming out the the Leafs front office it doesn't sound likely. Burke says he isnt looking for a centre. He has been pretty straight forward through this whole thing as to what he wants so I tend to believe it's a #1 Left Winger he is looking for.
Elias would be a gamble especially for another 3 years at $6. I really hope they find a better younger cheaper option somewhere. |
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irvine
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Posted - 07/18/2010 : 17:52:41
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He is aging, certainly.
But to me, Elias can still be a valuable piece. He can produce offensively, especially if put back on the top line some where. I mean now, he's behind Zajac at Center, Kovalchuk & Parise on LW. So on the PP and 5-on-5, he has been reduced in his role significantly.
But Elias would bring versatility to the Leafs line up, aging or not. He can play that top line Center position, or he can play the Left Wing. Whichever is needed of him. He can play a solid defensive game to boot. Top PK if need be, while playing a sound all around 5-on-5 game. Something the Leafs could use up top, with Kessel.
I'm not saying the deal would be the best one, but I do think it would make some sense in the short term. And right now, we can only speculate. I have no clue what TOR has been offered for Kaberle right now, but apparently nothing too special. Or a deal would have been done by now.
So, perhaps snagging a guy like Elias for another 3 years would be worth it. And in that time, Kadri & Bozak have the time needed to mature and reach the level needed to compete day in and day out, at the top level.
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 09:35:12
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I totally agree, Irvine!
Well, the good thing from Burke's end is that he does potentially have two centers who could start and probably end the season in the top 6 group of forwards - Bozak and Kadri. However, as much as that might be stated as an option, we are talking about two totally unproven, green players, one of them a rookie. One or both could fall flat, and you always want other options . . .
. . . So, that's why I think for a guy like Elias to get traded to Toronto wouldn't be the worst thing ever at all. He is still a legitimate first line centre, and he'd be the only proven one for at least one year, which is important considering our two very unsure options. And if Elias gets injured, either Bozak or Kadri get promoted. And like Irvine said, Elias has played wing before, so if the Leafs have the beautiful dilemma of both of our green centers playing very well and producing, he could be moved around to accomodate. On top of all that, he brings stability and experience, something any very young team needs as a rudder.
With Kovalchuk now getting signed in NJ, this could be a possible way to shed salary, especially if another player came along with Elias (6m) for Kaberle (4m) to further increase that 2 mil in salary shedding. Well, another piece might be asked for from Toronto then as well, to even it out . . . here's a thought:
To NJ - Kaberle, Sjostrom
To Toronto - Elias, Rolston
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 09:35:24
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If Toronto could land Elias straight up for Kaberle, I think they would be foolish not to. The guy is clutch. He has played in the biggest and toughest situations and come out on top. I agree that he might have a couple more PPG seasons in him but at the least he will give you 25G and 40A.
The one knock is that his health has been suspect for the past 4ish years. However, he's got less than 900 NHL games and still has gas in the tank.
The most important thing is that he is signed for another 3 seasons. If Burke could deal a player who will be a UFA next season for a guy that won't be a UFA until 13/14 and can help his team?? Makes sense to me.
The issue is that NJ will not save enough money in that deal. It will be $2 million savings to NJ when I think they need about $8 million to complete their roster. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:20:54
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We won't know for sure what NJ can do or not do until the Kovy deal details are revealed, I honestly have no idea how much they're going to pay him, or more importantly, what the cap hit is. NJ needs to sign him to something big - my gut says 7M per year - but in the back of their minds they know they have to resign Parise before next summer, and I don't see how Parise can earn less than Kovy going forward. Is it a short term or long term deal?
Slozo - while NJ could afford to do that trade, I don't think TOR can. According to capgeek, TOR has 1.5M in cap space - so they cannot shed 5M and bring back 11M |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 14:36:23
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Elias and Rolston is:
A- Impossible Cap wise
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B- Against where Burke wants to take the team
Elias $6 million and Rolston $5 million = $11 million
Kaberle $4.25, Sjostrom $0.75 million 1.25 cap space, and Jeff Finger (minors) $3.5 million = $9.75
So barring another major move on Toronto's part the numbers on that one don't work. More over Burke has stated repeadetly that he wants a youth movement in Toronto so bringing in a 37 Rolston and a 34 year old Elias would be contrary to that objective. I'm not trying to undermine either's talent just saying the texture of the deal isn't in the mold of what I see Burke trying to do. |
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 18:31:05
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| latest rumor...J.finger to the marlies...kaberle and Grab, plus 2 prospects to the devils, ....7 million in cap to the devils ( devils save 7 million in cap space ).......this gives Toronto approx., 14 million in available cap space.>>> To the leafs, Zajac, Elias, and Roloston, ( approx. 13 - 14 million coming back ) with the main focus on Zajac of course for the future. Leafs eat Elias`s and Roloston`s salary for a couple of years......Just a rumor of course ))) |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 19:06:00
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[i]Originally posted by The Duke[/i]
[br]latest rumor...J.finger to the marlies...kaberle and Grab, plus 2 prospects to the devils, ....7 million in cap to the devils ( devils save 7 million in cap space ).......this gives Toronto approx., 14 million in available cap space.>>> To the leafs, Zajac, Elias, and Roloston, ( approx. 13 - 14 million coming back ) with the main focus on Zajac of course for the future. Leafs eat Elias`s and Roloston`s salary for a couple of years......Just a rumor of course )))
Did this one come from Ekland as well?? This is rumor fed by some uneducated Leaf fan calling into the local sports call in radio show. This is so far out to lunch it is sick. There is no way the Devils will pass of basically one of their 1st two lines for a player to resign next year, a slightly above average forward, and a couple of bags of pucks.
C'mon guys, let's talk reasonably for just a little while. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 19:24:52
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| I heard Kovy is just a sign-and-trade. Kovy + Parise + Zajac + Brodeur to TOR. NJ is getting Schenn, Kessel, Grabovski, 3 first round draft picks, and the observation deck of the CN Tower. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 19:36:49
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| you forgot the raptors will be swapped for the nets as well |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 20:08:49
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Eklund get off this site and take care of your own, go find out where Kaberle is going |
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 05:24:37
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Now that I think of it, maybe you guys are right . . . maybe the Leafs won't even consider Rolston, and that's probably the correct thing to do. But Elias . . . he isn't old enough to totally discard as an option at all, in my mind.
I really don't see the Devils parting with anyone else other than Elias, Rolston obviously, and Zubrus. So maybe a Kaberle to NJ deal isn't in the works . . . because these guys are all on the wrong side of 30, and we certainly know what Burke wants.
And yet publicly he is saying he isn't looking for a center . . . which is utter bulls***e, since he can't suppose that Kadri and Bozak are for sure going to develop into our #1 and #2 centers, right?
Sigh. The Kaberle thing is going to make the Kovalchuk saga look like small potatoes, isn't it?
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 09:01:19
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probably. but only because he's a leaf  |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 09:05:51
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slozo - at this point, I seriously doubt that NJ is thinking of trading anyone other than Zubrus, unless the price is very right. They have no need now to trade any of the big names, as they are not that far under the cap. They have a 1 year window to field a dream team and make a run at the cup, and they may just do it.
Kaberle for Elias straightup? Maybe, but something tells me no - if only because Elias has a NMC, and TOR is not the sort of destination that he'll want to land at this point in his career. I think Elias would be a good fit in TOR, he plays both C and LW, and is dangerous at both. He's still productive, although has had problems with injuries (he's never been the same since the lockout year IMO, when he got Hep in Russia). Why does Elias OK a trade to TOR? |
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 09:25:31
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Good points, nuxfan. I guess the problem is, we all thought Kovalchuk's cap hit this year would be huge, thus necessitating more moves to accomodate him . . . but we forgot it was Diamond Lou here, slick as an oilman.
Instead of overplaying his hand, does anyone out there think that in fact holding on to Kaberle a little longer will actually get a greater return, as teams that missed out on this guy or that guy feel the pressure to shore up the offense from the back end? Not longer as in the beginning of the season, but until about the end of this month or so . . .
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 09:50:36
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I still maintain that the longer Burke holds on, the less his return will be. The value of Kaberle is going down with time, not up. As teams shore up holes they need to fill, they have less room to add someone like Kaberle, and the number of teams interested goes down - NJ is now out, TB is probably out, VAN has been out for a while.
At this point, I think the best dance partners for TOR are:
- LA
- CBJ
- DAL
- COL
All of them need (to some degree or another) a Kaberle-type player. All of them have some asset(s) that Burke would consider valuable. The trick will be coming to a mutual agreement. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 10:03:38
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[i]Originally posted by nuxfan[/i]
[br]I still maintain that the longer Burke holds on, the less his return will be. The value of Kaberle is going down with time, not up. As teams shore up holes they need to fill, they have less room to add someone like Kaberle, and the number of teams interested goes down - NJ is now out, TB is probably out, VAN has been out for a while.
At this point, I think the best dance partners for TOR are:
- LA
- CBJ
- DAL
- COL
All of them need (to some degree or another) a Kaberle-type player. All of them have some asset(s) that Burke would consider valuable. The trick will be coming to a mutual agreement.
What about San Jose????They have shown interest???
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 10:54:13
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The more I look at NJ, the more I see that unless it's Elias, Zubrus, or maybe Salvidor, no one is leaving that team.
The way I see it, Lou has built an offensive group of forwards for his first 2 lines and a very defensive focused defensive group. Because of this, he is limited to his PP options on the back end. Rolston and Kovalchuk have both been used at the point on the PP and I see that being Oates and McLeans MO moving forward.
Elias, being a LW on a team with Kovalchuk and Parise, is the expendable one. Lou is not giving up anything else. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 11:50:35
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[br]The more I look at NJ, the more I see that unless it's Elias, Zubrus, or maybe Salvidor, no one is leaving that team.
The way I see it, Lou has built an offensive group of forwards for his first 2 lines and a very defensive focused defensive group. Because of this, he is limited to his PP options on the back end. Rolston and Kovalchuk have both been used at the point on the PP and I see that being Oates and McLeans MO moving forward.
Elias, being a LW on a team with Kovalchuk and Parise, is the expendable one. Lou is not giving up anything else.
What about Colin White???$3 million cap hit Stay at home D who blocks shots I know he is a family member of mine but he is overpaid I think.He stands at 6'4'' 215 lbs.674 career games 20 goals 99 assists 119 points in total ,+/- + 81.I dont know if they would want to trade him because he is a good Defensive D-Man.2 Stanley Cups in 111 playoff games.2 goals 14 assists.+/- +7.A couple of teams might want him for his style of play but $3 million cap hit some teams wont want.It's noot that $3 million is a bad cap hit it is just that 3 million can be a bit hard to move sometimes.
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The Duke
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Posted - 07/20/2010 : 13:17:14
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| Colin White, is he still playing ?? lol....your right Beans, most of these trade rumors are nonsense, NJ ain`t shipping out most of their forward unit, not YET anyway. If the leafs can`t lure Joe Thorthon from SJ i think Kaberle will go to Col. Blue or Col. Avl...maybe ( Dallas. Richards is an interesting option. ) |
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 07:41:49
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Well, I think we can all agree that Burke wouldn't be holding on to Kaberle and waiting for more of a return with at least a decent offer on the table. This means to me that other teams may be in a "wait and see" mode before going ahead with serious bids for Kabbie.
Or, Burke could have been in long and serious talks with a club for some time now on a bigger trade (like one with San Jose that could involve many players).
I tend to think that Burke hasn't gotten a serious decent offer yet, but I do think it will come. Obviously, as we see with the Gagne trade, there are a lot of GMs low-balling out there, trying to steal a player of quality.
I pray Burke won't make the same error with Kaberle. I'd rather he hang on to Kaberle while starting the season, then give him away for next to nothing.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/25/2010 : 11:42:10
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| Unless Burke can extend Kaberle for 4-5 years for under 5 million, then he has to deal him IMO. Leafs have 8 NHL defencemen on their payroll and solid defensive prospects coming up in Aule, Blacker, Mikus and Holzer. Burke has said top 3 forward is the asking price for Kaberle, also saying he isn't after a centre. At this point I'd just like to see a second line winger that could play some first line minutes kinda like what the Leafs got in Kris Versteeg. In an ideal world Bozak and Kulemin both continue to play at their post Olympic level, but I really think Burke wants at least one more player to fill out his top 2 lines. Getting some new (or slightly used) pucks for Grabovski wouldnt hurt either. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 07/26/2010 : 15:27:14
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Unless Burke can extend Kaberle for 4-5 years for under 5 million, then he has to deal him IMO. Leafs have 8 NHL defencemen on their payroll and solid defensive prospects coming up in Aule, Blacker, Mikus and Holzer. Burke has said top 3 forward is the asking price for Kaberle, also saying he isn't after a centre. At this point I'd just like to see a second line winger that could play some first line minutes kinda like what the Leafs got in Kris Versteeg. In an ideal world Bozak and Kulemin both continue to play at their post Olympic level, but I really think Burke wants at least one more player to fill out his top 2 lines. Getting some new (or slightly used) pucks for Grabovski wouldnt hurt either.
Would Seto or Clowe work,I would rather trade Seto too high on Ryane Clowe.
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Posted - 07/27/2010 : 05:40:08
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Jumbo Joe - I would think Setoguchi for Kaberle (with additions on either side) would be a great deal - for both teams. I'd grab it, as it's exactly what we need - another top 6 forward, and he's young, and still has upside.
But a deal like that hasn't been done yet, which says to me, no one is offering a player of that value for Kabby . . . yet.
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Tiller33
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 16:12:17
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New rumour ...from hockey buzz for what thats worth... is that if Blake Wheeler's arbitration ruling is north of $3 million then a deal involving him and Mark Stuart to Toronto is a strong possibility
This article from bleacherreport (admittedly another extremely strong source) suggests this trade with Dallas as a possibility:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/426051-one-trade-the-leafs-should-look-into-with-dallas
TOR:
Brad Richards
James Neal
future considerations (I would say none necessary)
DAL:
Tomas Kaberle
Mikhail Grabovski
Jeff Finger
In fairness the article is submitted from a member and has no more validity than the trades we throw around on here, but IMO if this trade were to go down Joe Nieuwendyk should be fired. Regardless of Dallas' finacial woes trading a #1 centre who was in the top ten in NHL scoring last year along with a tough young 1st line winger who is coming off back to back 25+ goals seasons for an above average offensive defenceman, a defenceman all but destined for the minors and an extremely overpaid/unreliable 3rd line centre would be terrible for the Stars organization.
As a leaf fan this trade would be amazing but its completely unrealistic. I would take Neal for Kaberle straight up. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:40:42
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Holy, that article was laughable. The way the guys talks about this trade is so horribly biased it can't be real. As if the Leafs control the destiny of everyone on the ice, and can sign/move any players that they want to.
You are right about one thing Tiller - Niewendyk should be fired if he makes that deal. Even if Kaberle signs an extension with DAL, he should be fired. In 5 years time James Neal will be one of the premier power forwards in the game, and Kaberle will be retired.
The only way I can see this happening at all, is if the article is correct about an impending house cleaning in DAL. We all know that they are in bankruptcy, and there will be an ownership change. But to sell off all your prime assets, that just makes the team worth less. |
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Leafs81
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 10:36:05
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Wow this is crazy, he's not even using the right stats when talking about Grabovski, the Kaberle cap hit is wrong and he's calling Brad Richards, Bead... Also like you both stated it Nieuwendyk would be fired, and probably shot... and Burke would be a god.
But really I would give Kaberle, Grabovski and Finger for only Brad Richards in a heartbeat and even there I think it's too one sided for the Leafs because of the Finger swap. |
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I have to agree with you guys this deal doesn't make sense at all for Dallas. However, my boss here at work knows a guy who works in the Leafs Org. who has mentioned the same trade also a second one involving Dustin Brown and Justin Williams...which also doesn't make any sense to me. Having said this...this is the same source who had Phanuef coming to Toronto which I laughed at and leaked Blake and Toskala to Anaheim...before I heard it anywhere else.
So as unrealistic as some of these trade speculations are sometimes there is some validity behind them.
As a Leafs fan...I'd take either one. |
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Posted - 08/09/2010 : 21:58:02
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More word out of Toronto today: the list of suitors for Kaberle has risen to "double digits", according to Burke. And some of the suitors and players who might be involved include . . .
. . . [ crickets chirping ] . . .. [talking head speculation ] . . .
I see this as more Burke drumming up the negotiations with a couple of teams who may be stalling. But trying to start a bidding war is tough with reluctant, tight-fisted GMs . . . continues to make me think Kaberle is going for sure though, and unless a better deal comes along, I think Burke will hold out until the end of the week and then take the best deal on the table now - which could well be the SImmonds + prospect/pick deal for Kaberle we heard out of LA.
Anyone heard different?
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nuxfan
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Posted - 08/09/2010 : 23:04:22
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| I've heard nothing else - other than the bi-weekly report from the Toronto media indicating that in fact, nothing has happened in the last 2 weeks, and Kaberle is still a Leaf. |
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irvine
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Posted - 08/10/2010 : 02:24:14
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Yeah, I really have no idea at this point what offers are out there for to Toronto, for Tomas Kaberle.
But, if a deal like Simmonds + pick/prospect was out there, I'd certainly be entertaining the thought. Especially if it was a solid pick or prospect.
Simmonds is well on his way to being a 25 goal / 55 point player, in my opinion. One that also plays a good two-way game, is physical and not afraid to get in traffic areas. He's also fairly speedy. A real grit guy, with offensive upside.
He IS the Burke mold, to a T in my mind.
The only real problem is, he's not a first line player. Likely, never really will be. He could be though, a solid second liner who plays a really well rounded game. (Mike Fisher type, perhaps).
The problem is, Toronto do not need any more 2nd/3rd line guys. Although, Simmonds would be an excellent 3rd line upgrade. 2nd line upgrade in another 2-3 years.
But, at this point, I don't see Kaberle fetching a 1st line caliber player anyhow. Which, is what the Leafs need. A playmaking, #1 Center. Or, if they must, another scoring first liner.
At the end of the day, if you can't fetch a true #1 Center, with playmaking ability... adding Simmonds is a good option to your 2-way play. And, a good prospect or pick to boot, makes it work.
We'll see.
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Posted - 08/10/2010 : 10:40:59
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You left out that Simmonds is as skinny as a rake, Irvine - that's the knock against him. He weighs around 181 lbs, in a 6'2" frame . . . he needs to add on some weight, otherwise injuries will happen for sure, especially since he does play unafraid.
The other things is, he was never highly rated for whatever reason, and has consistently overperformed. Not a bad thing at all by itself, but it could easily be that he will quickly peter out after this promising beginning in the NHL . . . who really knows, it's only been two seasons.
Still, 40 points is solid on the third line, getting no pp time to boost the numbers. And his work ethic is tops apparently.
Like I said, I'd take him, but I would also want a decent prospect alongside . . . and who knows, but maybe that's a sticking point between Burke and LA, with Burke holding out for more.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/10/2010 : 10:51:40
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Knowing the luck the Leafs have had in the past few years, there will be a deal involving Kaberle and Savard and directly after the NHL will void Savard's contract meaning Kaberle left for nothing.
That is what is going to happen next July anyway. Burke reaching for more than Kaberle is worth and not getting anything in the end.
The other questions some might want to ask is if Kaberle can't move for value, keep him and sign him long term and move a different defenseman out. Who would that other defensemen be and what would his value be?? |
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Posted - 08/10/2010 : 11:06:09
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If pulling off a "keep Kaberle, trade someone else" scenario Beans, I'd deal Beauchemin perhaps.
I'd obviously keep our captain Phaneuf; Komisarek we paid too much for and need his strong physical presence and defensive play (if it returns!); and the others probably don't bring enough value.
But then again, neither does Beauchemin either . . . at least, compared to Kaberle. A second defenceman at best, but probably a solid third - what does that get you in today's NHL? A prospect? That's not enough for the Leafs right now IMHO.
No, I trade Kaberle - and this is coming from the guy who wanted to keep him a year ago, before the arrival of Phaneuf.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
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Posted - 08/10/2010 : 11:16:07
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quote:
Originally posted by slozo
If pulling off a "keep Kaberle, trade someone else" scenario Beans, I'd deal Beauchemin perhaps.
I'd obviously keep our captain Phaneuf; Komisarek we paid too much for and need his strong physical presence and defensive play (if it returns!); and the others probably don't bring enough value.
But then again, neither does Beauchemin either . . . at least, compared to Kaberle. A second defenceman at best, but probably a solid third - what does that get you in today's NHL? A prospect? That's not enough for the Leafs right now IMHO.
No, I trade Kaberle - and this is coming from the guy who wanted to keep him a year ago, before the arrival of Phaneuf.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Slozo sice you said you would trade Beauchimen and you need forwards and we are desperatley in need of a Defenseman would you deal Beauchimen to us for Clowe.
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Tomas Kaberle - Bargaining Chip 
