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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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 Posted - 09/15/2009 : 14:11:03
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| Which Phaneuf? The Injured, half step from last year or the dominant player from his rookie/sophmore season. He may not be an automatic write in here. He is going to half to earn it. Even if he does get the look from the management he is going to have to shine above Regher and Bouwmeester to get the call. Too many eggs in the Calgary basket. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 09/15/2009 : 15:31:24
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First of all, when was Phaneuf ever injured?? Are we talking about the 5 regular season games missed in 4 seasons?? Or the "upper body/head injury" that kept him out of a couple of playoff games??
Phaneuf won't make the Olympic team not because he is not good enough, it's because there are too many players that are better. Think about it, a reasonably mobile, puck moving defensemen with a shot. Does that not discribe Shea Weber, Mike Green, Chris Pronger, Brent Burns, Drew Daughty, and Duncan Keith?? There are too many defensemen that bring the same thing to the table as Phaneuf. The difference is that most if not all the players I named are better defensively than Phaneuf. I mean, I might have been a little harsh with my recent 'high paid pylon' comment, but one can not argue that he still makes a lot of young defensemen mistakes. Seriously, next Calgary game on TV, watch Phaneuf and tell me how many times he either turns the puck over at the offensive blue line, or is basically beat at his blueline and had to turn and skate hard to get back into position. You will soon see that he just has not developed the chops on the d-side of the puck like the other defensemen up to bat for Team Canada.
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2308 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2009 : 16:43:19
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Wow, Beans. Calm down I didn't suggest he was washed up, or neutered just playing hurt for 40ish games of 2008-2009. If you dont believe me I'll find a reference, post Calgary being knock out of playoffs last year. Its why I didn't rank Calgary very high on my playoff pools last year because of defensive injuries. I think it was a rib or shoulder. He played hurt because Calgary lacked depth.
My point is Regher by most is being considered by most as a lock and Bouwmeester is being pitched as the next best thing, so Phaneuf has to play better. I heard this is why they wanted Suttor. He brings out the best in Phaneuf, aside from the family aspect. |
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Guest7141
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Posted - 09/15/2009 : 18:17:26
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Originally posted by HabsFan46
why wouldnt phaneuf make the team?!?
What Beans said. Of all that was on the list, that's the only comment/question?
What about yours leaving out Getzlaf altogether? Then you pick Lucic, Toews and Gagne over M. Richards, Doan and Morrow, why? Ya never really answered that. |
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Guest7141
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Posted - 09/16/2009 : 19:31:25
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Originally posted by HabsFan46
Well the reason why I didn't put getzlaf on the team is because at the time I posted this team getzlaf was injured and i wasn't sure if he was going to make the team. Also i see nothing wrong with putting toews lucic and gagne on the team over doan and morrow. M. Richards probably has a good shot to make the team but i just couldnt find the right spot for him. As for my defense and goalies i think theyre pretty solid and i fail to see how there could be such a better line up out there.
Sorry missed this response.
So if Crosby and Iginla was hurt right now (say a broken finger) you'd leave them off the team (a team I might say will be picked 3 months from now)? Getzlaf had surgery on his sports hernia and is expected back in October.
What has Lucic done on any stage to prove he is worthy of the selection? He has had one above average season on a very good team. Same with Toews. Gagne well I'll cut him some slack is actually a very good player but you need a sandpaper line. I see Gagne as a sniper not a sandpaper kind of guy.
Richards, Morrow and Doan are sandpaper skill players. On a very good team Richards out produced Lucic, Toews and his own team mate in Gagne. Morrow was near a point per game pace until his injury. He almost pulled of a ppg last year. Doan, never mind he pulled off ~70 points on Phoenix, he has been a solid performer on various Canadian team as a shutdown guy. So Lucic as sandpaper guy with skill, will not take these 3 guys spot since they arguably play on lesser teams yet produce much more.
Is Lucic like the medical isotope? It's the sexy topic. |
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quackerjackets
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/19/2009 : 22:39:12
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You guys seem to forget that we are trying to build a competitive and complete hockey team. Not just a conglomeration of the highest scoring powerplay specialists. Granted most players will be stars but they will need to be able to fill roles and play 2 ways. Also you guys often did not account for chemisty. Considering its a short tournament with little time for preperation chemistry from previous tournaments and current and previous seasons would be very important to the team.
Guys that almost definately have spots based on staff whispers, history and ... Duh obvious lol. Crosby, Iginla, Nash, Mike Richards, Doan, Pronger and Niedermayer. Thats 5 forwards and 2 dmen. The playing roster will have 12 forwards and 6 defense. So there are 7 forward openings and 4 defense openings. Very safe bets to be on the team are Thornton, Heatley, Getzlaf, St. Louis and one or both of Morrow and Smyth especially based on play of late. So that leaves really 2 wing spots really open in my eyes
Proven Line Combos:
Pronger-Niedermayer, Ducks
Keith-Seabrook, Chicago
Phaneuf-Regehr, and Bouwmeester, Flames
Phaneuf-Weber, from World Juniors
Heatley-Getzlaf-Nash, World Championships
Heatley-Thornton-Marleau, Sharks
Nash-Thornton, World Championships and Davos
Getzlaf-Perry, Ducks
My team:
Forwards:
Line 1: St. Louis-Crosby-Iginla
I see Crosby-Iginla sticking. St. Louis is the wildcard. He could be moved to another line in place of a shooter(e.g. Staal, Lecavalier), powerforward(Morrow, Smyth, Doan) or natural LW. Although I think St. Louis would be a very good fit and I think they played together a bit and looked good. Its funny how I am least certain about this lines productivity. I have never been an overly huge Crosby or Iginla fan. I am sure many of you would disagree with me on those too. Anyways…
Line 2: Nash-Getzlaf-Perry
Line 3: Heatley-Thornton-Marleau
These 2 lines (2 and 3) would be strong based on chemistry alone. I held back from suggesting the a Heatley-Thornton/Getzlaf-Nash line, which in my opinion could be more dominant than line 1. Also avoiding that line allows you to spread out the blend of chemistry and offense a little bit. As well, this allows Nash and Heatley to stay on their natural left wings. Perry and Marleau are both deserving of making the team but were mostly placed on those wings based on chemistry and fit. I could see Staal or Lecavalier being slotted in either spot just as easily.
Line 4: Morrow-M. Richards-Doan
This will serve as the checking and energy line. I am certain this line will exist and it could get a lot of play. This line will be incredibly difficult to play against and dangerous based on work ethic and competitiveness alone. I could see Smyth being slotted into the LW role based on his early play this year and history with team Canada, but have heard whispers Morrow is almost guaranteed the spot if healthy. Still it would surprise me if Smyth was playing all-star caliber hockey and didn’t make the team as an extra forward or even pushing Morrow to the top line. Smyth would also be valuable in front of the net on the PP.
Defense
Line 1: Pronger-Niedermayer
They have the chemistry and credentials. Ya duh! Lol
Line 2 and 3
It’s a crap shoot among the rest. I wouldn’t mind have a either a pure powerplay quarterback like Green or Boyle OR pure shutdown guy to face those scary Russians like Regehr or maybe even Phillips, possibly Bouwmeester with his all around game and speed would be the best bet to stay in front of the likes of Ovechkin. Those guys in a pairing or possibly as the 7th guy to play in certain situations like shadowing Ovechkin or if the PP goes stale and needs a change.
Lets say Line 2: Keith-Seabrook (for all-around goodness) and Line 3: Phaneuf-Weber (for dangerous PP and breaking/shutting down Russians like in WJC, for extra defense you could replace one of them with Regehr)
All 3 pairings could realistically play any situation and give a different look. I think these 3 pairings would be most defensively solid. The 7th Dman would be a pure PP quarterback that you would not want to play based on possible defensive deficiencies like Boyle or especially Green. I really don’t think Green’s game is good for this forum. Bouwmeester would be a shoo in if it were international ice but would not be surprised if he made the team. I know he has the physical and athletic tools I just don’t watch Bouwmeester enough to say if his offensive game or defensive game is elite enough.
Goalies:
Brodeur, Luongo and Fleury
I don’t think anything needs to be said. Brodeur should get most starts based on early play which has shown him to be healthy and top notch.
Legitimate Contenders to make the team
RW: Iginla, St. Louis, Doan, Perry
LW: Heatley, Nash, Morrow, Smyth, Sharp(can play any forward position).
C: Crosby, Getzlaf, Thornton, Mike Richards, Lecavalier, Marleau(can play wing), Eric Staal, Toews, Brad Richards(based on start and past), Savard(in mix but top 4 centres pretty much set in stone)
D: Pronger, Niedermayer, Weber, Phaneuf, Regehr, Bouwmeester, Green, Boyle, Keith, Seabrook
G: Brodeur, Luongo, Fleury, Ward, Mason
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Posted - 10/20/2009 : 08:22:56
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Just a quick comment on some players that are on the fringe of making this team, and who clearly have the motivation this season so far:
Ryan Smyth
I have to admit, I didn't think he had it in him to start out this strongly. It might be a combination of great chemistry with Kopitar, but he is definitely back in the top-tier goal scoring category again. If he keeps this up somewhat, he will force himself back on the team, especially considering his past contributions.
Heatley
Some may argue he wasn't on the fringe, but the whole "not a team player thing" is a dark cloud to have hanging over your head with so many other talented players to choose from. Nothing but sunny skies so far for this malcontent, so it looks like he's gonna be there.
Marleau
Is there a better second line winger in hockey? Probably not right now . . . and he will get a very long look if this level of play continues. Could easily play himself on the team with the way San Jose is rolling.
But who would these guys replace? Morrow is playing great, Mike Richards is playing great, St Louis is playing great . . . this will be a real, real tough decision for all involved.
I don't envy their position, as it is sure to be second-guessed ad nauseum!
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Mikey Boy
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 10/20/2009 : 09:19:03
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First of all its the legendary Steve Yzerman picking the team not Gretzky. and this is the team...
Thornton, Heatley, Crosby, M Richards, Nash, Getzlaf, Staal, Iginla, Carter, Perry, St. Louis, Lecavalier
reserves: Smyth, Doan, Marleau ( i hope Savard)
Pronger, Green, Weber, Boyle, Niedermyer, Bouweester
reserves: Phaneuf, Keith
Goal: Brodeur, Luongo, Fleury
reserve: Ward
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
500 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2009 : 16:17:01
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Originally posted by Mikey Boy
First of all its the legendary Steve Yzerman picking the team not Gretzky. and this is the team...
Thornton, Heatley, Crosby, M Richards, Nash, Getzlaf, Staal, Iginla, Carter, Perry, St. Louis, Lecavalier
reserves: Smyth, Doan, Marleau ( i hope Savard)
Pronger, Green, Weber, Boyle, Niedermyer, Bouweester
reserves: Phaneuf, Keith
Goal: Brodeur, Luongo, Fleury
reserve: Ward
MP
That is probabley the best roster I have seen yet except for Doan instead of Perry. Was he even invited to the camp? |
Edited by - Sensfan101 on 10/20/2009 16:17:47 |
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quackerjackets
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/20/2009 : 18:45:53
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| Can anyone verify if Green actually knows how to play defense lol? Last time I saw him playing he was behind the net... in the offensive zone. LOL. From my little experience watching him he plays like a 4th forward. This versus the Leafs. If he were on the team he would probably need to be paired with a real stay at home type. |
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quackerjackets
Top Prospect
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Posted - 10/20/2009 : 18:51:02
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Just to summarize my team.
St. Louis - Crosby - Iginla
Nash - Getzlaf - Perry
Heatley - Thornton - Marleau
Morrow - M Richards - Doan
Pronger - Niedermayer
Weber - Phaneuf
Keith - Seabrook
Broduer - Luongo - Fleury
Alternates group: Lecavalier/E Staal/Sharp/Smyth and Bouwmeester/Boyle/Green/Regehr |
Edited by - quackerjackets on 10/20/2009 18:52:10 |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2308 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2009 : 20:01:57
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Heatley will be beside Nash and Getzlaf. These guys have clicked before and will click again. I dont see Perry making the team. He is a winger which would help, but I dont remember him getting hyped during camp.
I do agree with defense
Pronger, Green, Weber, Boyle, Niedermeyer, Bouwmeester
reserves: Phaneuf, Keith
Could you imagine Neidermeyer and Bouwmeester as a pair on the PP for Canada. The speed on the back end would be incredible. I was not Bouwmeester educated prior to him becoming a flame now I am a fan. This guys is fast and terrific. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2009 : 22:06:22
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Unless Green steps up his game in the next 2 months, he will be watching the Olympics from home. He has done little to this point. Did anyone else realize that he gained nearly 30 pounds in the off season!!
Phaneuf, although scoring nicely has been very weak defensively, again. He has to step up to make the squad as well.
Bouwmeester is dangerously close to slipping out as well.
How about Ryan Smyth!! 13 points to this point and looking great. Morrow as well. Those guys are making a push to join Shane Doan as the checking line on team Canada. |
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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
318 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 11:44:39
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If Bouwmeester can play like he did last night against Columbus I'd definitly give him a spot.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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Canuckswillrule
Top Prospect
Canada
7 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 20:54:31
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Well this would be my team:
Forwards(not in any order):
spezza, crosby, getzlaf, nash, iginla, staal, brindamore, nash, lecavalier, morrow, thorton, heatley
defence(not in any order):
niedermayer, campell, redden, pronger, phaneuf, jovanoski, lindstrom
LUEE, brodeur, fluery
I believe fluery will make it because hi is an amazing all around goalie that has had a great start this year with the penguins.  
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quackerjackets
Top Prospect
4 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 23:11:12
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Brindamour will not be on the team lol. we is old and possibly retired lol.
all goalies are all around goalies lol
Lidstrom is SWEDISH lol
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Drafter15
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 07:14:42
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Gold medal game.
Russia vs. Canada
Green is not who I would want on the ice against Ovechkin. |
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Guest4004
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 19:31:39
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Nash-Crosby-Iginla
Heatley-Thornton-Carter
Lucic-M.Richards-Morrow
Marleau-Getzlaf-Gagne
extra:Stamkos
Pronger-Green
Niedermayer-Weber
Bouwmeester-Boyle
Keith
Luongo
Broduer
Fluery
C-Iginla
A-Pronger
A-Niedermayer
A-Gagne
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redneck76ca
Rookie
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 19:41:49
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Originally posted by Drafter15
Gold medal game.
Russia vs. Canada
Green is not who I would want on the ice against Ovechkin.
Yah, but what are the chances that Ovie will be killing penalties in the Olympics? |
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Guest5904
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 20:53:22
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a nice change as i wont put in players with no chance i.e. brindamour, green, savard,...
1- Nash Crosby Iginla
2- Marleau Thornton Heatley
3- Stamkos Getzlaf Perry
4- Morrow M.Richards Doan
Extras - B.Richards, St.Louis
1- Pronger Niedermayer
2- Boyle Bouwmeester
3- Keith Seabrook
Extra - Weber
1- Brodeur
2- Luongo
3- Fluery |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:44:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest4004
Nash-Crosby-Iginla
Heatley-Thornton-Carter
Lucic-M.Richards-Morrow
Marleau-Getzlaf-Gagne
extra:Stamkos
Pronger-Green
Niedermayer-Weber
Bouwmeester-Boyle
Keith
Luongo
Broduer
Fluery
C-Iginla
A-Pronger
A-Niedermayer
A-Gagne
Really don't see Gagne making this team let alone being an alternate captain with the surgery he's still recovering from. Also, Lucic with his injuries has pretty much lost any chance he had at being on the squad. I would have loved to see him play here in Vancouver though! The crowds loved him here with the Giants and would love nothing more than to have a reason to cheer for him again!!! |
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Guest9299
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 10:34:46
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This is the way I see the team shaping up
1 St Louis - Crosby - Iginla
2 Nash - Getzlaf - Heatley
3 Marleau - Thornton -
4 Morrow - M Richards - Doan
1 Niedermayer - Pronger
2 Keith - Bouwmeester
3 Weber -
1 Brodeur
2 Luongo
3 Fleury
I left the winger from the 3rd line empty cuz i believe it will be either Jeff Carter,Corey Perry or Steve Stamkos.
The 6 defenseman will be either Phaneuf, Seabrook, or Boyle with Green being the xtra dman with Doughty as a darkhorse |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2308 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2009 : 11:01:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest9299
This is the way I see the team shaping up
1 St Louis - Crosby - Iginla
2 Nash - Getzlaf - Heatley
3 Marleau - Thornton -
4 Morrow - M Richards - Doan
1 Niedermayer - Pronger
2 Keith - Bouwmeester
3 Weber -
1 Brodeur
2 Luongo
3 Fleury
I left the winger from the 3rd line empty cuz i believe it will be either Jeff Carter,Corey Perry or Steve Stamkos.
The 6 defenseman will be either Phaneuf, Seabrook, or Boyle with Green being the xtra dman with Doughty as a darkhorse
I like the roster but the lineup seems off a bit. I expect Nash to be on the Iginla Crosby line. I expect Heatley to be on the Thorton Marleau line. I expect Perry to be the winger for Getzlaf and St Louis.
Doesn't matter though as lineup will be juggled based on chemistry and whos playing hot anyway. I expect a few of the favorites to be injured anyway so nailing one down now wont really matter. On paper this team looks awesome. |
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 15:47:19
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Goalies: -Roberto Luongo
-Martin Brodeur
-Sabastein Giguere
Spares: Mark Andre Fleury,Carey Price, and Cam Ward
Forwards: Rick Nash, Sidney Crosby, Jerome Iginla, Shane Doan, Ryan Smyth, Joe Thornton, Eric Staal, Marc Savard, Martin St louis, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Getzlaf, Jason Spezza
Spares: Jonathan Toews, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Jeff Carter
Defense: Scott Niederneyer, Chris Pronger, Shea Weber, Dion Phaneuf, Jay Bouwmeester, Brian Campbell, Dan Boyle.
Spares: Brent Seabrook, Duncan Keith, Mike Green, and Drew Doughty.
Canada has soo much to pick from soo I feel whatever players are chosen, it will definatley be a good team. Go Canada Go. |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 16:19:38
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as of right now my team would look like this:
forwards
nash-crosby-iginla
marleau-thornton-heatley
m.richards-getzlaf-perry
st.louis-b.richards-stamkos
extras:morrow,doan
Defense
boyle-pronger
neidemeyer-weber
keith-seabrook
extras: green
goalies
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fleury
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 18:25:51
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Spezza will not make this team, in my opinion.
Although highly skilled at times, Spezza is still too immature with the puck and has no defensive upside. Spezza tries to get too fancy, normally causing turnovers at key times (for the opposition).
Not to mention the awful start to this season.
However, I could (personally) see him being useful in an offensive role for Canada. Mainly this:
Heatley - Thornton - Spezza
You add Heatley with these two set-up guys, whom he has chemistry with both. Not to mention the scoring Thornton and Spezza can both add at times, you have a great offensive line.
But with that being said, they have Marleau who can do the same as Spezza, including the chemistry part with Heatley (but also with Thornton), and who has a lot more defensive upside than Spezza. Along with some size.
So, being a Sens fan, I still can not agree with those who have included Spezza on their roster. Sorry.
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Guest4125
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Posted - 12/09/2009 : 18:57:17
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| you guys know notings about hockey!!!!!!! |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 07:49:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest4125
you guys know notings about hockey!!!!!!!
define notings
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 08:25:07
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quote:
Originally posted by sharksfan44
as of right now my team would look like this:
forwards
nash-crosby-iginla
marleau-thornton-heatley
m.richards-getzlaf-perry
st.louis-b.richards-stamkos
extras:morrow,doan
Defense
boyle-pronger
neidemeyer-weber
keith-seabrook
extras: green
goalies
Brodeur
fleury
luongo
sharksfan, i really like your roster. Very close to what i would choose. I have yet to have Brad Richards on my squad, but i think i'm finally convinced. He's back to playing the way he did when he won the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe in '04. What i'm not sure of, is where he fits in. I had Mike Richards pegged as the shutdown guy at center on the 4th line. Not sure who's the better two way player, but as a Selke finalist last year, i'd have to guess it's Mike? Can Brad shift to the wing on the Getzlaf / Perry line? I know Stevie Y and Co. have stated that they're not planning on taking too many guys playing out of position?
Also, not sure about Stamkos. I have no prob with St. Louis being a winger on the "checking line" but i think a guy like Doan, Morrow or Smyth might fit that role better?
On D, i love your top 4 and i've grown to appreciate D. Keith and feel he will be there. As easy as it is to pick his team mate to play with him, i still think there's gonna be at least 1 Flame on that back end? At one point, i felt Regehr, Boumeester and Phaneuf might ALL make the team? Will it be Regehr's D, Boumeesters skating or Phaneuf's physical play or non of the above? |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 08:37:59
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quote:
Originally posted by sharksfan44
as of right now my team would look like this:
Forwards
nash-crosby-iginla
marleau-thornton-heatley
m.richards-getzlaf-perry
st.louis-b.richards-stamkos
extras:morrow,doan
Defense
boyle-pronger
neidemeyer-weber
keith-seabrook
extras: green
goalies
Brodeur
fleury
luongo
How do you leave Jay Bouwmeester Jonathan Toews and Jeff Carter off that team? Toews and Carter bring equal if not better skill than St. Louis and Richards and bring much more grit and size which is what is needed from 4th line players. Stamkos is too young to be on the team I can't argue against his stats but it's the Crosby dilemma of '06, he won't be there. Seabrook is an excellent defencemen but not on caliber with Bouwmeester. Also pairing Toews with Richards is possibly the best penalty killing forward pairing available to any nation.
My original team was:
Forwards
Nash Crosby Iginla
Heatley Thorton Marleau
Toews Getzlaf Perry
Carter Richards Smyth
Alternates: Eric Staal (has had a rough start so come december could crack the line up if smyth falls off or toews is injured)
Steve Stamkos (has become a go to guy in tampa but left off due to his age similar to crosby in 06)
Defence
Pronger Bouwmeester - Shut down pair
Boyle Phaneuf -2nd pair Boyle on power play
Neidermayer Weber - 3rd pair weber on power play
Alternate: Duncan Keith
At this point though due to Smyth's injury I'd put Brendan Morrow on the fourth line leaving the option to bring Smyth back before the games start in Feb. Kopitar scored last night for the first time since Smyth's injury (14 games) I think that speaks volumes about who was the real catalyst on that line. Also due to his below average play I'd have to take Phaneuf off the squad and Replace him with Keith. Keith's been the Quaterback in Chicago and Phaneuf is 3rd in Calgary behind Bouwmeester and Regehr. Another guy making a serious push is Eric Staal he has come back from his injury with 8 points in his last 4 games. He's had a rough start but we all know how dominant he can be, just ask Zdeno Chara.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 08:55:47
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The other day on TSN they were talking about a name that I don't think anyone on here has said anything about.
Patrice Bergeron.
The guy had a noodle rattle a few years back and many people wrote him off. No doubt he is a good player, but at centre, the Canadian are already too deep.
I just don't see Bergeron displacing Thornton, Crosby, Getzlaf, or B or M Richards. I think those 4-5 guys are on the team barring injury or significant drop in play.
Furthermore, I would put Stamkos, Toews, Lecavalier, J Carter and even Mike Fisher in a 4th line roll over Bergeron.
I was really surprised to hear his name being talked about for the Olympic team. Anyone agree or am I completely insane. |
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Tiller33
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 09:11:53
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Ya beans I saw that TSN, segment also I believe it was Greg Millen on last week's CBC who commented on it too saying that wouldn't it be wonderful if Steve Yzerman reunited the line of Bergeron/Crosby/Perry from the '05 World Juniors and I just about fell out of my chair.
Bergeron is a talented player but not even in the top 20 of forwards for this team. No way you could leave the guys you mentioned off for Bergeron.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 09:55:04
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| I think Stamkos should be considered for this team for exactly the reason you figure he should be left off. Gretzky's team by no means was the best team the last tournament and Crosby should have been there based being the best man for the job. IMO was one of the biggest mistakes of last Olympics. Stamkos is producing and is in his second year a better winger than some of the considered players. I think you need some youth, energy and aggression young players bring to the game. |
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Tiller33
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 10:14:01
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Ya it's a valid point about Stamkos but just don't see him filling out a third or fourth line role becuase thats not the game he plays. He's a gifted scorer no one can argue that but ahead of Iginla, Nash, Marleau or Heatley? not at this point. He doesn't bring the size of a Toews, Carter. Perry and Stamkos are very similar but with Perry's size and the chemistry with Getzlaf who I see as the lock for 3rd line centre its Perry.
I agree that Crosby should have been there in '06 as well as Eric Staal but this year's team is already much younger than that team. No Draper, Blake, Bertuzzi, Doan, Gagne, Redden, McCabe, Sakic.
There's a lot of dirty old occ's around thats the problem |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 10:54:09
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Stamkos is not as good as any of the 4-5 centres I listed.
Furthermore, I would see a guy like Lecavalier (only 5 points behind Stamkos) on the team or Toews.
Stamkos is very gifted offensively, but I have not seen much if anything defensively from the kid. If he makes the team it will not be in an offensive role and the #1 and #2 centres will be Crosby and Thornton.
He's just not on my squad for the reasons you think he should be. He is NOT the best player for the job. There are at least 4-8 other players better suited. |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 11:52:46
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tiller, my lines are all about chemistry. other than my first line, all the forward lines have two guys who play together on them. perhaps carter would be better than stamkos, but st.louis is on that line and he and stamkos play together. i no they produce together. As for toews, he was very close to making my team, but there are so many centers to choose from and i just didnt feel comfortable putting him on the wing, but perhaps maybe im wrong, idk.
bouwmeester is good, but there is no way he's taking any of my top 4 defensemens spots. and once again i went with the proven chemistry of keith and seabrook. they read eachothers game so well and they really bring out the best in eachother. i think when those two are together, they are arguably the best pairing in the leauge. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 12:41:40
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quote:
Originally posted by sharksfan44
tiller, my lines are all about chemistry. other than my first line, all the forward lines have two guys who play together on them. perhaps carter would be better than stamkos, but st.louis is on that line and he and stamkos play together. i no they produce together. As for toews, he was very close to making my team, but there are so many centers to choose from and i just didnt feel comfortable putting him on the wing, but perhaps maybe im wrong, idk.
bouwmeester is good, but there is no way he's taking any of my top 4 defensemens spots. and once again i went with the proven chemistry of keith and seabrook. they read eachothers game so well and they really bring out the best in eachother. i think when those two are together, they are arguably the best pairing in the leauge.
Chemistry is very important, but to take a lesser player who has chemistry is a mistake. Bouwmeester does so many things that you don't see on the stats sheet. In the past few weeks I have really keyed on watching a lot of Calgary and specifically Bouwmeester and Phaneuf. Bouwmeester is such a great player, and he plays in all sorts of different lines and players. Chemistry is not an issue.
I take Bouwmeester of Seabrook any day that ends in a Y. |
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sharksfan44
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 12/10/2009 : 13:18:38
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| the thing is though, its not like seabrook is SO much worse than bouwmeester. I think the same could be said about seabrook and that he does a lot of things that you cannot see on the scoresheet. I really do believe that seabrook is just as good as bouwmeester, especially when he is playing with keith. thats just me though. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 13:55:10
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quote:
Originally posted by sharksfan44
the thing is though, its not like seabrook is SO much worse than bouwmeester. I think the same could be said about seabrook and that he does a lot of things that you cannot see on the scoresheet. I really do believe that seabrook is just as good as bouwmeester, especially when he is playing with keith. thats just me though.
I must disagree. I put Bouwmeester in the top 5-10 defensemen in the league of any nationality. I don't even put Seabrook in the 10 best Canadian defensemen.
Skating alone is a tie break. The only defensemen in the NHL today that skate nearly as well as Bouwmeester are Neidermayer and Brian Campbell. Furthermore, Seabrook has the benefit of playing with a phenom in Ducan Keith. Bouwmeester is often play with a defensively liability in either Phaneuf or Giordano.
I'll give you one guess who is 2nd in the league in both +/- and TOI. |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2312 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 13:56:13
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right now could someone tell me why Dustin Penner or Mike Cammalleri are not even being mentioned i have both of them and Robidas on my team
Richards is playing sub par hockey and imo is not on this team not even a reserve
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Edited by - Pasty7 on 12/10/2009 13:57:14 |
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