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Slantos
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Posted - 04/26/2012 :  16:34:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1999-2000 Lady Byng Nominees

**Demitra: 71GP, 75P, +34, 8PIM**
Lidstrom: 81GP, 73P, +19, 18PIM
Selanne: 79GP, 85P, +6, 12PIM

**Demitra posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2000-2001 Lady Byng Nominees

**Sakic: 82GP, 118P, +45, 30PIM**
Lidstrom: 82GP, 71P, +9, 18PIM
Oates: 81GP, 82P, -9, 28PIM

**Sakic posted better #'s in 2/3 of the  most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2001-2002 Lady Byng Nominees

**Francis: 80GP, 77P, +4, 18PIM**
Sakic: 82GP, 79P, +12, 18PIM
Lidstrom: 78GP, 59P, +13, 20PIM

**Francis won the award WITHOUT posting better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, but went to the Stanley Cup Finals**

2002-2003 Lady Byng Nominees

**Mogilny: 73GP, 79P, +4, 12PIM**
Lidstrom: 82GP, 62P, +40 38PIM
Modano: 79GP, 85P, +34, 30PIM

**Mogilny won the award WITHOUT posting better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, but also had 2.5x less penalty minutes than the next nominee**

2003-2004 Lady Byng Nominees

**Richards: 82GP, 79P, +14, 12PIM**
Alfredsson: 77GP, 80P, +12, 24PIM
St. Louis: 82GP, 94P, +35, 24PIM

**Richards won the award without posting better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, but had 1/2 the PIM's than the other nominees. He also won the Stanley Cup and the Conn Smyth Trophy**

2004-2005 Lady Byng Nominees
NO WINNER - LOCKOUT

2005-2006 Lady Byng Nominees

**Datsyuk: 75GP, 87P, +26, 22PIM**
Marleau: 82GP, 86P, -12, 26PIM
Richards: 82GP, 91P, +0, 32PIM

**Datsyuk posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2006-2007 Lady Byng Nominees

**Datsyuk: 79GP, 87P, +36, 20PIM**
St. Louis: 82GP, 102P, +7, 28PIM
Sakic: 82GP, 100P, +2, 46PIM

**Datsyuk posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2007-2008 Lady Byng Nominees

**Datsyuk: 82GP, 97P, +41, 20PIM**
Pominville: 82GP, 80P, +16, 20PIM
St. Louis: 82GP, 83P, -23, 26PIM

**Datsyuk posted better #'s in at LEAST 2/3 of the most relevant stats**

2008-2009 Lady Byng Nominees

**Datsyuk: 81GP, 97P, +34, 22PIM**
St. Louis: 82GP, 80P, +4, 14PIM
Parise: 82GP, 94P, +30, 24PIM

**Datsyuk posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2009-2010 Lady Byng Nominees

**St. Louis: 82GP, 94P, -8, 12PIM**
Datsyuk: 80GP, 70P, +17, 18PIM
Richards: 80GP, 91P, -12, 14 PIM

**St. Louis posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2010-2011 Lady Byng Nominees

**St. Louis: 82GP, 99P, +0, 12 PIM**
Datsyuk: 56GP, 59P, +11, 15 PIM
Richards: 72GP, 77P, +1, 24PIM

**St. Louis posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant stats, compared to the other nominees**

2011-2012 Lady Byng Nominees

**Eberle: 78GP, 76P, +4, 10PIM**
Campbell: 82GP, 53P, -9, 6PIM
Moulson: 82GP, 69P, +1, 6PIM

So after you've looked at the past 11 nominees and winners, and if they give any indication of the requirements needed to win the award, you either need to:

A) Post better stats in 2/3 of the most relevant categories

B) Make it to the Stanley Cup Finals if you HAVEN'T posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant categories OR

C) Have 2.5x less penalty minutes than the next nominee, if you HAVEN'T posted better #'s in 2/3 of the most relevant categories.

So unless Brian Campbell makes it to the Stanley Cup Final, none of the nominees, should win but Jordan Eberle.
So again I'll say it'd be a biggest joke in the history of the award. (Or at the VERY LEAST the past 11 seasons)


JDC
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Alex116
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5794 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2012 :  17:02:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Slantos.....i know i said i was done with you, but i can't resist this one. Sorry.......

All you've done here by posting this last bunch of stats is further prove you're level of intelligence towards the NHL and it's awards. Before i go into anything too detailed, lemme give you a simple lesson! The awards are voted for BEFORE the playoffs begin!!! The 3 current "finalists" are actually the "top 3" and votes have already been counted. They call them finalists and not nominees for that reason! So, to say that one of your latest criteria is a Stanley Cup final appearance is possibly the biggest laugh you've provided yet!

I'll post more of a reply soon, i just have to compose myself first as i'm laughing too hard right now. Sorry....
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Clatts
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Canada
266 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2012 :  17:49:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Slantos

Are you really trying to compare Lidstrom to Brian Campbell? ARE YOU HIGH???? Lidstroms closests comparable year statistically to Campbell's this year, he had 57 points, was a +14, and had 14 PIM (still not a - player). His lowest +/- came extremely late in his career, and he was still only a -2, other than that year, he had NEVER been a - player. Yes +/- was effected by his team, but he was the player on that team that was playing the majority of the TOI, ALMOST HIS WHOLE CAREER!!!

JDC



Am I HIGH?? Are you retarded? Do you even know what this conversation was about.

You said
quote:Originally posted by Slantos

Ask any forward in the league who they'd rather go up against, a guy like Bieksa who's willing to cross check them, punch them, slash them, or simply do ANYTHING to make them think twice about charging the net, and to throw them off their game, or a guy like Campbell, who won't do any of the above. I'm SURE their answer would be simple.

JDC


Meaning because Campbell has low PIMs you think he is a poor defencemen

Then I Said

Nicklas Lidstrom has never had more than 50 PIMS in a season and has averaged 25 PIMS per season...so you probably wouldn't want him on your team.

Meaning Lidstrom has had low PIMs his entire career so do you think he's a bad defencemen?

Defence is more about timing and effort than PUNCHING,SLASHING and CROSSCHECKING

You Still don't even get that no one is arguing that Eberle is not deserving they are just arguing that Moulson and Campbell are as deserving to and if Eberle dosn't wn it won't be "THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE AWARD"

Give your head a shake Slantos

"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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OILINONTARIO
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Canada
814 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2012 :  17:54:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can tell you the biggest joke in the history of this reward.....it was that last post by Slantos! And the punchline was friggin' priceless! The nominees, the voters, the GMs, the Eberle family, they don't care as much as you do. It's a token award, less thought is put into it than any of the others, nobody gives a crap, and it is more arbitrary than any other trophy awarded in professional sports. Love your enthusiasm, but, Jesus Eberle, get over it, kid!

The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2013.

Edited by - OILINONTARIO on 04/26/2012 17:56:45
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Alex116
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5794 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2012 :  22:32:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is so typical of most of his other posts. It's a perfect example of a "Slantos Spin".....

1. Make ridiculous claim
2. Have it squashed by others
3. Throw out skewed numbers/ideas/interpretations to support original ridiculous claim
4. Be further squashed.
5. Do research to find support for ORC (original ridiculous claim)
6. Skew numbers/theories to support ORC since what was found didn't help
7. Completely fail when finally presenting argument when it's proven that it was totally wrong
8. Finally admit to failure by either aknowledging it as such, or by disappearing.

Either option on #8 is fine by me.
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Slantos
Top Prospect



Canada
35 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2012 :  11:48:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LOL yes I realize nobody is arguing that Eberle shouldn't win... But I just love how your more focused on analyzing my statements than backing up your own, with stats and facts, on how and why you think Campbell and Moulson are as deserving as Eberle.. Just great! Keep at it!!!

JDC
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Alex116
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5794 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2012 :  15:53:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Slantos

LOL yes I realize nobody is arguing that Eberle shouldn't win... But I just love how your more focused on analyzing my statements than backing up your own, with stats and facts, on how and why you think Campbell and Moulson are as deserving as Eberle.. Just great! Keep at it!!!

JDC



What do we need to "back up"? We aren't the one's making ridiuclous claims! We're agreeing that any of the finalists are deserving and it's just not gonna be "the biggest mistake, blah, blah, blah...." regardless of which one of them wins. You really don't get it though do you? If you really think we need to prove anything about what we're saying, "with stats and facts" then you're not intelligent enough to figure out the entire premise of what is being discussed. Sorry, but you really must be dense.
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Slantos
Top Prospect



Canada
35 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2012 :  05:02:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you think Moulson or Campbell "SHOULD WIN" and you believe they are as deserving... You haven't gave any good reasons or stats to back-up those statements on WHY you think they are "JUST as deserving to win the award as Eberle"

N so far the stats n reasons, some people have already given, with the TOI factor, isn't a good reason, as that OBVIOUSLY hasn't weighed as heavily on deciding the winner in the past 11 years, as points, +/-, and PIM's... So I mean find other stats categories, that have been as relevant as those 3, in deciding the winner of the award in the past 11 years, where Moulson and Campbell have posted better #'s than Eberle. 

JDC
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro



Canada
266 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2012 :  05:07:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Slantos

If you think Moulson or Campbell "SHOULD WIN" and you believe they are as deserving... You haven't gave any good reasons or stats to back-up those statements on WHY you think they are "JUST as deserving to win the award as Eberle"

N so far the stats n reasons, some people have already given, with the TOI factor, isn't a good reason, as that OBVIOUSLY hasn't weighed as heavily on deciding the winner in the past 11 years, as points, +/-, and PIM's... So I mean find other stats categories, that have been as relevant as those 3, in deciding the winner of the award in the past 11 years, where Moulson and Campbell have posted better #'s than Eberle. 

JDC



Actually I did that on page 1, this is an exact copy


Here is an argument for the candidates

Campbell:

-2nd in points and assists for defencemen
-Played all 82 games
-Only visited the penalty box 3 times
-No penalties in the last 25 games and only one since the All-Star Break
-would be the first defencemen since the 50's to win the Byng
-Team made the playoffs
-Played more minutes than other candidates, defencemen are more prone to taking penalties

Eberle:

-Only 2nd season in the NHL
-Had a 31 game stretch with no penalties
-Only 10 pims
-Career highs in goals (34), assists (42), points (76) and power-play goals (10).

Moulson

-With six penalty minutes, he became the first player since Paul Kariya in 1996-97 to score at least 30 goals and have single-digit penalty minutes.
-post career-bests of 36 goals -- 10th in the League -- 33 assists and 69 points
-Moulson is one of 8 players with 30 goals in each of the last 3 years. Here are the other 7:
Stamkos, Ovechkin, Marleau, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Ryan, Kessel

Then there is also a wildcard in receiving this trophy

"to the player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability"

Now I haven't watched these players enough to know but "sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct " is not measured by any STAT, maybe one of the candidates chirps at the refs while the other one picks up the opposing players equipment after a fight and brings it over to him.

Either way to say "if Eberle doesn't win, that will be the biggest mistake in the history of the award". Is an overstatement if not a miss-statement.


"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors


"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
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Slantos
Top Prospect



Canada
35 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2012 :  14:40:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an argument for the candidates 

Campbell:

-2nd in points and assists for defencemen (AGAIN, Eberle has more points than him)
-Played all 82 games (If you look at the past 11 winners, you'll see that hasn't weighed as heavily as P, +/-, PIM)
-Only visited the penalty box 3 times (Yes, that's 6 PIM)
-No penalties in the last 25 games and only one since the All-Star Break (And that matters HOW???)
-would be the first defencemen since the 50's to win the Byng (AGAIN, that matters HOW???)
-Team made the playoffs (That's his TEAM, not his personal stats)
-Played more minutes than other candidates, defencemen are more prone to taking penalties (AGAIN, TOI hasn't effected the winner as heavily as P, +/-, PIM)

Eberle:

-Only 2nd season in the NHL (Yup, SO?)
-Had a 31 game stretch with no penalties (Yup, so?)
-Only 10 pims (Yes that's his PIM's)
-Career highs in goals (34), assists (42), points (76) and power-play goals (10) (Yes that equals his points)

Moulson 

-With six penalty minutes, he became the first player since Paul Kariya in 1996-97 to score at least 30 goals and have single-digit penalty minutes. (Yes, so?)
-post career-bests of 36 goals -- 10th in the League -- 33 assists and 69 points (Yes, that's his points)
-Moulson is one of 8 players with 30 goals in each of the last 3 years. Here are the other 7:
Stamkos, Ovechkin, Marleau, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Ryan, Kessel (Yes, so???)

Then there is also a wildcard in receiving this trophy

"to the player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability"

Now I haven't watched these players enough to know but "sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct " is not measured by any STAT, maybe one of the candidates chirps at the refs while the other one picks up the opposing players equipment after a fight and brings it over to him. 

"to the player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct"

Ummm first off I'm pretty sure PIM's would be a descent stat to look at too see who's gentlemanly... Second, ALL of the nominees over the past 11 years have been gentlemanly.. And unless the refs are voting NOONE WILL NO WHO CHIRPS!!

"combined with a high standard of playing ability"

I'm pretty sure whoever has high points and a good +/- would be a good stats to look at to judge that part of the award.

So maybe I'll say it again, maybe look at some of the stat categories that have greatly effected the outcome and the winner of the award, where Moulson and Campbell have better #'s than Eberle. Because I can't find any, but keep looking,

JDC
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Clatts
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Canada
266 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2012 :  19:18:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Slantos you can say "who cares?" or "ya so?" all you want, im giving you reasons why someone who votes on this may consider each candidate.

- Maybe some voters are like you and say Eberle is leading in 2/3 of the "most relevant stats".

- Maybe some voters take into account that it is Eberle's 2nd season and therefore he will have a chance to win in the future and this is not his year.

- Maybe some voters think that because it's Eberle's 2nd season that it is extra impressive and he should win

- Maybe some voters think Campbell being 2nd in points for all defencemen is better than Eberle being 16th overall in points for all forwards

- Maybe some Voters think Moulson's goal totals are more impressive that Eberles point totals

- Maybe some voters take into account Time on ice

- Maybe some voters think a Defencemen winning the Lady Byng would be impressive/interesting

- Maybe some voters think being part of a playoff team is a sure sign of playing at a high standard of skill

- Maybe some voters don't look at stats and just vote how the feel. ie. They are a fan of one of the players or one of the teams a player plays on

- Maybe some voters only take PIMS into account

And on and on and on and on and on.

Do you understand? There is more than one way of justifying your vote or considering the winner for this award so to say one guy is going to win and if he doesn't it will be "THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE AWARD" is a OVERSTATEMENT.

Now I understand your an Oiler fan and have a man crush on Eberle but try to look at this through an objective lens for 2 seconds.

Let's be honest there not as big a difference in this years candidates stats as some previous years.

Between Moulson and Eberle there is a

a difference of 3 in +/-
a difference of 7 in points
a difference of 4 in PIMS

nothing in the double digits.

***On a completely separate note if you wan't to quote my posts please use the quote button and seperate your comments on my posts with another colour or font size, it can be confusing for the other readers when you don't do this



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Edited by - Clatts on 04/28/2012 19:25:09
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slozo
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Canada
4594 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2012 :  07:25:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 2011/12 Lady Byng Thread

3 pages of comments
34 long posts by a guy named Slantos
24 angry replies by Alex116
13 frustrated replies by Clatts
1 heated debate
_______________________________

Having a 100+ post thread on who should win the Lady Byng trophy turn into a street brawl?

Priceless.

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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 04/29/2012 :  08:31:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was trying to find the proper words to say what Slozo just said. Well done! Bag of pucks. Hehehehe

It's awesome that in the heat of the playoffs and as other award nominees are being reported (Hart, GM of the year) that people are stuck on the Byng.

Unreal.



Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!!
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro



Canada
266 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2012 :  21:25:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Commenting on a topic without so much as stating an opinion and then making the same joke that was made earlier in the post by someone else - Priceless

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Alex116
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5794 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2012 :  21:38:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

The 2011/12 Lady Byng Thread

3 pages of comments
34 long posts by a guy named Slantos
24 angry replies by Alex116
13 frustrated replies by Clatts
1 heated debate
_______________________________

Having a 100+ post thread on who should win the Lady Byng trophy turn into a street brawl?

Priceless.

_________________________________

For everything else . . . there's a bag of pucks.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



Hey, i resent that! I've yet to get angry! Frustrated? YUP! Angry? Nah.....


Beans, the only thing i find "unreal" is the delusional state of mind this Slantos character must be in to come up with some of the crazy stuff he has. It's gotten to the point of me actually looking forward to his next post(s) just to see if he can actually say something more ridiculous than the last.

Let's face it, this thread's only as long as it is because of the ridiculous claims being made! I'm sure you'd see the Hart thread getting more play if some idiot were to start stating that Lundqvist should win over Malkin because he has more saves?
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mandree888
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Canada
385 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2012 :  06:47:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OH NO! SLANTOS CAMBELL WON IT I CALL FOR A RECOUNT! lol i guess this is the biggest mistake in the history of the award??
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend



5794 Posts

Posted - 06/22/2012 :  16:44:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mandree888

OH NO! SLANTOS CAMBELL WON IT I CALL FOR A RECOUNT! lol i guess this is the biggest mistake in the history of the award??



LOL....Hopefully he didn't jump off that flat planet he seemed to be living on.
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